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June 19th, 2012

Coalition lawmakers propose parties share cost of Strasbourg court fine

Hungary must pay a fine of several thousand euros after a Strasbourg court ruled in March to uphold the right to publicly display the red star; ruling Fidesz and Christian Democrat lawmakers proposed diverting state monies from political parties to pay the fine, a motion approved by lawmakers on Monday.

The constitutional committee voted for the proposal with a simple majority.

The court on March 8 ruled that Hungary was wrong to fine Janos Fratanolo, former chairman of the Hungarian Workers’ Party 2006, for wearing the red star, a symbol of communism, during a television interview back in 2007.

Hungary argued that the televised appearance gave public exposure to one of the symbols of tyranny, which is illegal according to Hungarian law.

The court ruled, however, that Fratanolo had a right, under the principle of freedom of expression, to wear the star. It said Hungary must pay 4,000 euros to Fratanolo and 2,400 euros in legal fees.

In April, however, Deputy Prime Minister Tibor Navracsics said in his report tabled for adoption by parliament that the Hungarian government disputed the Strasbourg decision.

He said the red star, much like the swastika, the SS-badge, the arrow cross and the hammer and sickle are banned in many countries, including European Union member state Lithuania.

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  • Cnut

    I don’t understand the logic. But I guess once MSZP gets back in they’ll be able to bankrupt Fidesz by passing on all the EU procedure fines and penalties.

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      @postcommie bastard:

      MSZP won’t be back.

    • justasking

      @Cnut,

      ‘I don’t understand the logic.’

      ‘the televised appearance gave public exposure to one of the symbols of tyranny’

      Whats not to understand??

      One one side, you have a group of people who view a yellow star, as a symbol of tyranny, horror, a dark-spot in human history. On the other side, you have a different group of people, who feel the EXACT same way, as group # 1. The difference between the 2? Same symbol, different colour.

      Given all of that…how can one possibly be viewed as a form of ‘freedom of expression’ and the other not?

      • Cnut

        I don’t understand the logic of why MSZP and other political parties should pay.

        I’m not trying to argue – I just don’t understand. It doesn’t give any reason why.

        Why should MSZP pay for this and not for all their other stupid decisions? What will Fidesz have to pay for after they lose the next election?

        • Leto. مؤدّب

          @postcommie bastard:

          MSZP and your beloved leader Gyurcsány should pay. Dearly. And not only for this but for a lot more.

          • Cnut

            I’m very surprised by that Leto :-)

            But what is the logic behind this particular judgement being passed on to “political parties”. I can’t argue against it until I understand the principle. Is it about the ECHR? Or international court judgements in general? Or that political parties are resposible for their actions taken in office?

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            @postcommie bastard:

            It’s the “criminals must be punished” principle in general.

          • Cnut

            Oh goody!

            I look forward to Fidesz being bankrupted, Közgép assets being seized and Orbán (plus his father and brother), Simicska, and Fellegi being locked up for a very long time. I guess Matolcsy is too stupid to be getting a cut, but him too, for crimes against the economy and I’m sure they can find something special for Kövér – although they might give him special leniency for all his previous service to the MSZMP.

            I hope your boys enjoy the next 2 years.

          • Cnut

            Actually, if it isn’t clear my point is that that is a very unclear “principle”, obviously open to abuse, and being used in a silly way. And a warning of “what goes around comes around” or “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander”.

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            @postcommie bastard:

            “I hope your boys enjoy the next 2 years.”

            typo corrected: next 12 years

  • Leto. مؤدّب

    Now a similar procedure should be started at the Strasbourg court in connection with the swastika, the SS-badge or the arrow cross.

    • Leto of a dark place up my asshole

      Leto, actually this is a good idea, to see if the argument is followed consistently. The first step is for Hungary to rule in a court of law against someone for wearing one of these. Then they can appeal to Strasbourg.

      Option 1) You can parade up and down Andrassy ut, wearing an SS badge, and claiming your right to wear it.

      Option 2) Sponsor a legal action against http://www.swastikatattoo.hu/ (Incidentally, they would make the same defence as Fratanolo, that they use the symbol in a different context.)

      Option 3) Hungary should fine Szocs and Vona for honouring Nyiro, a member of the Arrow Cross parliament.

      Lot’s of ways to follow up your good suggestion.

    • Leopold

      Idiot. Neo-Nazis like you would be very happy, wouldn’t you? I’m pretty sure you would take a lot of pleasure in wearing your fascist signs when you go out for a little stroll. You are really the scum of the earth!

      • Leto. مؤدّب

        I’m no neo-Nazi, of course.
        Yes, I would be very happy to see the swastika being treated on an equal footing to this symbol of Communism (which incidentally claimed a lot more human lives than Fascism and National Socialism put together)

  • Viking

    Leto. مؤدّب says:
    June 19, 2012 at 11:17 am

    MSZP won’t be back

    Wonder if ‘leto’ made the same statement after the elections in 1990, when MSZP had only half of the MPs they have today…?

    And MSZP won the single majority in the 1994-1998 Parliament, after ‘leto’s’ idols at that time, the MDF-led Government, with Csurka, etc and others, made a mess of everything, selling out most of the Hungarian industries to foreigners

    Many from that time, like ‘leto’, went to Fidesz when they found their strong ‘Führer’ The Viktator, the rest to MIEP, later “Jobbik”

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