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June 19th, 2012

Extradition request for man sentenced over Hungary road deaths rejected by Supreme Court

Excerpt Via rte.ie 

Mr Justice Adrian Hardiman called this a unique and unprecedented case and an appalling tragedy. He said the case illustrated how a perfectly ordinary person of good character in a moment and without any intentional or malicious act on his part can become a suspect, then a convict, sentenced to three years in a foreign jail.

He said the case was relevant to anyone who travels abroad and especially anyone who drives a car while abroad. He also referred to the “grossly abnormal period” during which Mr Tobin, who is a father of two children, has been under threat of forcible separation from his family.

The court ordered his release from custody forthwith. Mr Tobin left with his wife, without making any comment.

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  • Abásci

    I wonder will Mr Justice Adrian Hardiman be as forgiving if a member of his family is killed by a perfectly ordinary person of good character. What a disgraceful judgement. I think any UK readers will be familiar with Irish notions of justice from the IRA days. Killers were political and perfectly ordinary persons of good character!!

  • Barney

    Abásci,
    I appreciate your sentiments but I think they are misplaced. I don’t see anyone in Ireland trying to excuse what this guy did. This appears to be a very technical ruling, clearly against what most people would consider to be true justice. And note the comment “a Hungarian national could not be extradited to Ireland if the situation was reversed.”

    You are not correct about Irish notions of justice regarding IRA days… the Irish courts locked up plenty of IRA killers. I think you are confusing this with the opinions of the IRA supporters, not the courts.

  • Leto. مؤدّب

    What Mr Justice Adrian Hardiman said illustrates unique cynicism to me instead.
    So Mr. Tobin will go unpunished in Ireland after causing the death of two children by his reckless driving in Hungary.

  • Vidra

    Instead of making the Tobin case a long-running source of friction, Hungary should look at what Ireland has achieved as a result of EU membership. As well as improving the infrastructure it focused investment funds in five kmowledge-led sectors and succeeded in both reversing the brain drain (so young people who had emigrated could now find jobs that were just as good or better in Ireland) and curbing the power of old political-economic clique. And there are few today in Europe who still believe it’s part on the UK.

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      Yeah, examining a one year period, the Irish CDS is only 680 now instead of 1200 in last July.

      -http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/CT777651:IND

      (In comparison, Hungary’s maximum was 720 this January when the concentrated attack was going on against the Orbán government and now it stands at 535

      -http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/CHUN1U5:IND
      )

      • seinean

        Gee:

        CCROA1U5:IND 514.86
        CROA1U5:IND 419.26
        CT354156:IND 394.29
        CBULG1U5:IND 329.91

        and last but not least:

        CSLVK1U5:IND 243.83

        • Leto. مؤدّب

          @seinean:

          Yeah, I only compared Hungary to Ireland. You yourself know very well as well what the postcommie bastards did to our economy between 2002 and 2010. It’ll take many more years to undo the damage.

      • Curious George

        @Leto – Utter rubbish. Those CDS numbers have no bearing on Hungary’s economic development, only the ability to raise money.
        Even if Hungary could raise money, it wouldn’t make a positive comparative difference vis-a-vis Ireland for the next 5 years for one simple reason – the govt doesn’t know what to do with the money (no matter what you think, money doesn’t produce growth).

        • Leto. مؤدّب

          Like you also know, of course, the CDS indicates the risk of default on souvereign debt.

    • sheesh

      I’m sorry but this case has nothing to do with economics. And it’s hard for me to accept the judge calling him a person of good character when he clearly fled from Hungary to avoid justice. The Hungarian authorities evidently botched the whole procedure, but that doesn’t excuse him from facing his actions. To argue that Hungary would’ve done the same (which is probably true) is relativizing justice and sounds very Hungarian. As if someone said they should not be held accountable for stealing, rape or murder because other got away with it too. This decision is a travesty of justice, there’s no arguing about it.

      • Leto. مؤدّب

        “this case has nothing to do with economics”

        Certainly. I only responded to Vidra’s diversion. Sorry about that.

        I agree, this is a travesty of justice indeed. I love Ireland and the Irish but I must say this ruling brought real shame on them.

        • Cnut

          Bloody hell, I agree. With both of you.

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            Sorry about that. I’m not pleased either.

      • Leto. مؤدّب

        “sounds very Hungarian”

        And I certainly I reject this kind of anti-Hungarian hits. It’s so typical of your kind that you couldn’t resist even in this particular case.

  • Leto. مؤدّب

    The lawyer of the family whose two children was killed by Mr. Tobin said that “the Hungarian court should not be criticized and it is not to be blamed because the accused could not be held in captivity before the legally binding sentence. Moreover one could not hypothesize another European country, where there is rule of law, would not comply with a legally binding sentence brought by a court of another European country where there’s rule of law, too.”

    -http://mno.hu/belfold/tobin-ugy-lekezelo-es-serto-az-itelet-1085284

    I think this case is very, very embarrassing for Ireland.

  • Andras

    I think this case is very, very embarrassing for Hungary.

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      Ah, you must mean a Hungarian special forces commando should kidnap Mr. Tobin in Israel style.

  • THE_HUNS

    As a Hungarian I cant wait to kill irish people for this! FU IRELAND AND MAY YOU LIVE IN FEAR.

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      You remind me of someone… Are you not that Rumanian jerk “get real” by any chance?

      • OrbanUberAlles

        You remind me of someone… Are you not the retarded nephew of Speak the Hungarian Rapper by any chance? You guys have the same ‘flow’.

        • Pick Salami

          No, no, nooo, you have it absolutely wrong. Leto is not the retarded nephew of Speak but the genius sister of Cogito.

          • Pick Salami

            Sorry: I meant ‘genius sissy” – not sister.

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