June 22nd, 2012

Hungarian Jewish leader, US academic target anti-Semitism, failure to face up to Holocaust responsibility

Anti-Semitic remarks have now become part of common talk, characterising not only the extreme right but Hungary’s conservative circles as well, Peter Feldmajer, head of the federation of Hungarian Jewish communities Mazsihisz said on Thursday.

Feldmajer addressed a session of the Inter-parliamentary Coalition to Combat Anti-semitism, and said that though the Hungarian government firmly condemned anti-Semitic expressions “in general” and does much to keep the memory of the victims of the Holocaust, it “borrows slogans from the extreme right to woo their voters”. He added that the radical nationalist Jobbik is continuously leading attacks against the Jewish people.

Feldmajer also said that Holocaust monuments and Jewish cemeteries had been vandalised on many occasions and Jewish people were assaulted in the street. He condemned the police for what he saw as an inadequate response to those incidents.

The Jewish leader complained about the education government’s recent decision to include some authors that identified themselves with Anti-Semitism in the national curriculum. He mentioned that public places have been renamed after Miklos Horthy, Hungary’s regent in the interwar period, who was “factually and directly responsible for the Holocaust”.

Feldmajer, however, said that the situation in Hungary is much better than in many European countries, for example in France where “tragic terror attacks take place.”

Hungary “not brave enough” in facing Holocaust responsibility

Hungary, unlike Germany, has not been brave enough in facing up to its share of the responsibility for the Holocaust, Prof. Randolph Braham, an academic noted for his studies of the Hungarian Holocaust, said in a lecture given at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.

Two hundred thousand Hungarians participated in implementing the final solution, including gendarmes, police and civil servants, Braham told the audience of around 200 people on Wednesday local time.

He said after the war, the communist regime had swept responsibility for these actions under the carpet. Today, he said, attempts were being made to pass the blame on to others.

Paul Shapiro, Director of the Center for Advanced Holocaust Studies, said that worries had emerged over anti-Semitic incidents in Hungary in 2008, when symbols of fascism also started to re-emerge in public. He said the then opposition Fidesz party had failed to join in public condemnation of such manifestations.

He noted that the ruling Fidesz party had played an important role in establishing the Budapest Holocaust Memorial Museum. But concerns over rising anti-Semitism after Fidesz’s return to power had been verified, he said, noting a statement last week by Sara Bloomfield, head of the US Holocaust Memorial Museum, raising concerns about the “rehabilitation of the fascist ideologies and leaders of WWII”.

Shapiro also made reference to the decision of Elie Wiesel, one of the founders of the Holocaust Museum, to renounce a high Hungarian state award he received in 2004 in protest against the Hungarian government for participating in attempts for the reburial of ethnic Hungarian author Jozsef Nyiro, who was also an Arrow Cross Party lawmaker during the regime of Ferenc Szalasi.

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  • Charles

    These people are always crying about something. Who cares about the Holocaust nowadays anyway? It’s just another way for the Jews to gain sympathy for something that is irrelevant in today’s world.

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  • Paul Pace

    The holohoax is a complete lie, but it needs to happen! Jooz deserve to be exterminated once and for all!

    • Pete H.

      Paul are you a Hungarian living in Hungary?

    • Géza

      This is a stupid and thoughtless expression of free speech!

      I believe in free speech and that people can express their views even if they are absurd like the one above…

      Why absurd, because NO group have to be exterminated once and for all!

      The only thing that has to happen is, that some people can not use tragedies from the past, for their own gain (political agenda)

      • Pete H.

        This issue has nothing to due with using past tragedies for current gain. It has to do with the real and dangerous reemergence of what caused the former tragedy in the first place.

  • judgement day

    Why don’t the jews own upto all the deaths they have caused with their killing regime.. Israel is hell of a place to begin with, followed by the jewish Avo’s who killed thosands of Hungarians, are behind Communism, Atheism , Middle east crisis, 9/11 etc etc etc….

  • goldblum

    Will you remove the above comment or do we need to call the police/mental institute?

  • Anonymous

    Let’s ask the website administration to check his IP, find him and launch with a kick to Israel, I personally know some guys who will make him change his opinion quite quickly :-)

    Paul Pace = Leto = Sharmuta? Do I recognize you right darling? :-)

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      No, you don’t, nameless nobody.

      I don’t deny the Holocaust. On the other hand I evaluate it at its right place: it’s one of the genocides in the 20th century. Though it’s not the biggest genocide of the 20th century in relative terms (the percentage of victims) or in absolute terms (the number of victims) but it’s has become the most publicized one for political reasons.

      • Pete H.

        Context is relevant. This is about Hungary in 2012 where antisemitism is on the rise and anti-Semitic writers and leaders are being rehabilitated. Where a neonazi party is in parliament and is responsible for fanning and participating in antisemitism.

        As tragic as all holocausts are they are irrelevant to the current Hungarian situation. The fact that there were other holocausts does not excuse the current Hungarian situation.

        Nor is Isra*l relevant, this is about Hungarian j*ws and the current hostile environment they find themselves in. This is about Hungarians treating other Hungarians badly today.

        So, it has nothing to do with the crimes of communists who happened to also be J*wish. Past wrongs committed by Hungarian J*ws are irrelevant to what is happening today.

        This about the here and now and Leto’s, Bad Judgement’s, Paul Pace’s etc, comments are nothing more than a mix of things ranging from psychotic to deflection.

        As important as the official apologies are, a too large part of the culture is unapologetic. The overwhelming majority of German society and modern culture is apologetic. Hungary needs to get to the same place. Instead she is moving in the opposite direction.

        And if any of you want to try and brush my comments off as racist against Hungary, my statements are directed at a part of Hungarian society, not the whole. There are too many tolerant Hungarians to label the whole country as antisemitic. Unfortunately accruing to the latest surveys those non-prejudicial Hungarians are now in the minority.

        I talk with pride about my Hungarian ancestry. I will not stand by idly as a segment of Hungarian society shames my mother’s homeland yet again. I will not chose inaction and watch HUngary slip backwards again.

        • Leto. مؤدّب

          “there were other holocausts ”

          There were not any. Though there were quite a few other genocides.

          “The overwhelming majority of German society and modern culture is apologetic.”

          Yeah, poor sods. They are afraid even to sing their anthem or wave their national flag.

          “Hungary needs to get to the same place. ”

          You only wish so. Hungary won’t ever go to the that place and she has absolutely no reason to do that either.

          A quote from a recent The Economist article (not quite a friend of Hungary or the government I support):

          “Hungary remained a democracy for most of Horthy’s rule and a safe haven for its Jewish community. Horthy repeatedly refused Nazi demands to deport Hungary’s Jews, which was which was one of the reasons why Nazi Germany invaded in March 1944. Horthy mobilised Hungary’s armed forces to protect the Jews of Budapest, many of whom survived the war. His emissaries were in covert contact with the Allies and he wanted to change sides. Hungary was also a haven for Polish, Slovak and even Jewish refugees”

          Keep raging.

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            Sloppy grammar corrected: “There were no other holocausts”

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            Eventually this is what this German apologetics boils down to:

            -http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/israel-deploys-nuclear-weapons-on-german-built-submarines-a-836784.html

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            Oh, and no, this is not common arm trade at all. This is what Pete H.’s “German society and modern culture being apologetic”, in other words this is the further shameless commercial exploitation of a particular genocide 60 years ago.

            “Germany had already donated two Dolphin submarines to the Israeli navy ”

            -http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/germany-may-sell-2-more-dolphin-subs-to-israel-for-117b-01528/

            Germany’s compensation payments never seems to be ending.

            “Then just give us the money”
            -http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/new-wave-of-shoah-claims-holocaust-groups-demand-more-compensation-from-germany-a-515984.html

          • Pete H.

            Weak weak weak weak!
            1) Nitpicking about using Holoca*st versus genocide.
            2) -http://antonk.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/German-fans-FIFA-Worldcup-2006-Germany-flying-flags-colours-black-red-gold-crowd-Equador-match-Ruhrstadion-Bochum-photo-by-Arne-Müseler.jpg
            3) -http://www.dw.de/dw/article/0,,2065774,00.html
            4) Horthy only did this after J*ws had already been deported from the country side and after it was clear that Germany was losing. He was an opportunist that wanted to appease the Allied forces, not a humanitarian. He only did this after passing the J*wish laws, and after standing by during the white terror.

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            Yawn.
            Look, I sorta understand “making Hungary to that place” would pay off so well…

            As a last word, let me recommend this excerpt to you yet again:

            “Hungary remained a democracy for most of Horthy’s rule and a safe haven for its Jewish community. Horthy repeatedly refused Nazi demands to deport Hungary’s Jews, which was which was one of the reasons why Nazi Germany invaded in March 1944. Horthy mobilised Hungary’s armed forces to protect the Jews of Budapest, many of whom survived the war. His emissaries were in covert contact with the Allies and he wanted to change sides. Hungary was also a haven for Polish, Slovak and even Jewish refugees”

        • justasking

          @Pete H,

          ‘ Hungary needs to get to the same place’

          So, what happens if a country no longer wants to? Believe, that they’ve compensated, apologized and ‘begged’ for forgiveness enough?

          What are you going to do then…beat them into submission?

          If the ‘victim’ does not want to move on after all that…that ain’t the perpetrators problem, it’s the victims problem.

          • Pete H.

            You miss the point. Past apologies mean nothing if the situation is getting worse. antisemitiism is on the rise in Hungary. So clearly Hungary has not done enough.

          • justasking

            @PeteH,

            ‘antis*mitiism is on the rise in Hungary’

            Oh give it a bloody rest will you? The more you hype about this, the more you turn people away. You’re creating the situation. Have you ever thought of that?!?!

            The world over HAS done MORE than enough for this specific group. I’m pretty sure, anybody (group)who has ever been discriminated against, would LOVE to have the time, care and attention that is allocated to this group in question.

            People from WWII are dying off…slowly, but surely. Is that the intent, to hold a new generation, another one after that and another one after that, responsible for something they had nothing at all to do with?

            You want to help humanity? Go fight discrimination against ALL people and not just some.

            If you refuse to do that, have taken this cause on as a ‘pet’ project for yourself…fine. Just leave the rest of us out of it, stop telling us what we should and should not be doing…what we should or should not be thinking, what we should or should not be saying.

          • Pete H.

            JA your logic is total BS. In no way does pointing out that anti-semesitsm is on the rise Hungary cause it to rise. You can blame it on the Hungarians far-rights agitation and Fidesz’s inaction.

            These comments are in response to what is going on in Hungary. What I do regarding discrimination against others is irrelevant to this particular issue.

          • justasking

            @Pete H,

            ‘You can blame it on the Hungarians far-rights agitation and Fidesz’s inaction’

            Yeah, you could say that, if it makes you feel comfortable…or are in denial.

            Unlike you, I’m not afraid to seek out answers to questions that often go unasked, or more like ‘uncomfortable’ to admit too.

            Questions like ***What kind of foundation has to be introduced, for people to turn towards a more ‘radical’ type party?***Why would people gravitate towards them?***What ‘need’ is not being met, that forces a typically ‘moderate’ type person, to throw up their hands in frustration?***

            The ‘Golden Rule’, Newton’s 3rd Law, Karma, ‘what comes around goes around’…call it whatever you want, that’s a reality. It has nothing to do with religion, and all to do with interlocking links.
            ————

            ‘What I do regarding discrimination against others is irrelevant to this particular issue’

            I have to say…that has got to be, the most honest response I have ever encountered here on this site…Thank-you for that.

            No, I am not mocking you…this time :)

            I respect you for admitting, coming out and calling a spade a shovel. You discriminate, against all others, that are not from a particular group of people, that you have chosen too stand up/fight for.

            Again, ‘hats off to you’, and shame on you, for your admission.

        • Igazi Magyar

          @Pete H. – Thanks for standing up for Hungary. I think it’s time to resurrect the idea of the Greater Hungary- a Hungary that can accept all of its citizens, a country that can accept constructive criticism, a country that is not afraid of the best that Hungarians have to offer.

          Hungary is greater than Orban. It’s bigger than all the political parties combined, because the nasty political dialogue is just a speck on all the great contributions that Hungarians have made to music, art, science and, of course, alcohol.

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            Correction: He stood up for another country by suggesting Hungary should be “so apologetic as Germany is”.

          • Pete H.

            Actually I did stand up for Hungary, because I want something better than the current situation. You obviously do not get the idea of constructive criticism.

          • justasking

            @Igazi,

            Why do I get the impression, hogy, hullot a könnyeit(mögötted játszott a Magyar Himnusz) while you were writing this post?

          • Pete H.

            Don’t mind JA, she believes her love of Hungary i somehow special and mocks those who love Hungary and who disagree with her. She’s made the same sort of immature comments to me.

          • justasking

            @Pete H,

            ‘mocks those who love Hungary and who disagree with her’

            First off, I’ve never doubted your feels towards Hungary, nor how proud you are of your heritage…never, never.

            If, as you say, I have issues with individuals who disagree with me, well, I don’t know about that, lets see…

            I quite like and respect posters such as spectator, Viking (2 hard core commies if you ask me), Cogito, Vándor (when he was around, although I’d never tell him this) Cnut, seneian (I think I wrote his handle wrong), George and Leto (yes, I disagree with him allot).

            I also like Ricsi and Double, although I may not agree with some of their more provocative posts. I consider Olga one of my closest friends, and keep her close to my heart.

            So, why do I mock you? Simple…because I think you’re a bigoted fool, and a one trick pony.

            You probably wear a Tilley hat, drivers around in a Subaru, drinking low fat lattes, made with organic coffee. Coffee, that was picked by indigenous peoples from that area, not realizing (or caring maybe?) that those same organic beans, were picked by some 5 year old indigenous person, who was on a 18 hour shift, getting paid 5 cents/day.

            As long as they were not anti-Semitic, nor lived around anti-Semites.
            ——-

            There is a poster here on poli.hu, that I’d like to introduce you too…so, if you’d allow me…

            ***Paul meet Pete H….Pete H meet Paul***

            A poli.hu, match made in heaven

          • Paul

            @ Justasking

            “There is a poster here on poli.hu, that I’d like to introduce you too…so, if you’d allow me…
            ***Paul meet Pete H….Pete H meet Paul***
            A poli.hu, match made in heaven”

            Pete is doing fine, I read and appreciate his comments.
            Now about you, making a list of those posters you like or not and for what reason. You are rather narcissistic to think that anyone cares. You talk far too much about yourself, instead of facts. You manipulate and have this nasty tendency to talk behind other peoples back. But the most irritating of all is that you in your limited way of thinking can not handle that moderate sincere people are criticising this government for very good reason in my, and an overwhelming amount of other….reasonable….not radical….sincere people. Soo…you solution is name calling and putting a label on them again preferably behind their back…quote:

            spectator, Viking (2 hard core commies if you ask me),

            No one asks you you silly. And they are moderate sincere people.
            I could insult you deeply right now…I do not, just saying that in my opinion you are insincere will do.

          • justasking

            @Tiny Tim aka Paul,

            ‘Pete is doing fine, I read and appreciate his comments’

            I knew you would…hence the formal introduction.
            ———

            ‘You are rather narcissistic to think that anyone cares’

            What does narcissism have to do, with providing examples to an accusation?
            ——–

            ‘You talk far too much about yourself, instead of facts’

            Do you know how to scroll over posts?
            ——–

            ‘You manipulate and have this nasty tendency to talk behind other peoples back’

            No, no, no, no…first off, I respond to posts as they are presented to me. I manipulate NOTHING, I simply counter argue, or in your case spoon feed back, their examples, comments etc, if I feel I have something to say about them…if the conversation/post does not interest me…I simply leave it.

            As for talking behind a person’s back, how is that even possible on this website, it’s usually done to provoke. In this life, I have never and will never, say anything behind a persons back, that I would not say to their face.

            I leave that up to people like you.
            ——-

            ‘is that you in your limited way of thinking can not handle that moderate sincere people are criticising this government for very good reason in my, and an overwhelming amount of other….reasonable….not radical….sincere people’

            Wow…do you really see yourself this way…and not the intolerant, St*linist bigot that you actually are?
            ———–

            ‘Soo…you solution is name calling’

            Anybody who does not lean to the left, or disagrees with you, you call them rac*st and fasc*sts…then, get right pissed, when the table gets turned on you.

            Action=reaction
            ——–

            ‘putting a label on them again preferably behind their back’

            Hmm, correct me if I’m wrong, I think the 2 posters in question can read. But, if it makes you feel better…

            ——–
            ***ATTENTION SPEC & VIKING****

            I THINK YOU BOTH ARE HARD CORE COMMIES, WHO PROBABLY DRINK ONLY HEINEKIN, FOR THE SYMBOL ON THE BOTTLE!!!

            There…better?
            ——-

            ‘I could insult you deeply right now…’

            Hey, don’t hold back if it makes you feel better. Your opinions are yours, and non of my business; just like my opinions are mine, and non of yours.

          • Paul

            @ JA
            none of your business…it is called NONE of your buisiness…for the rest Q.E.D.

      • Géza

        “it’s one of the genocides in the 20th century”!

        And that’s exactly what it is!

        “Though it’s not the biggest genocide of the 20th century in relative terms (the percentage of victims) or in absolute terms (the number of victims)”

        Exactly!! But mentioning this makes you already a anti semite in the eyes of many.

        Some jews misuse it (the WW2 genocide and anti semite) for their own (political) agenda and to get special attention in their host societies by the governments who are sensitive for this blackmail!

        For example on this side there is a lot of offending going on against hungarians. (anti magyarism)
        If the same language would be used against jews, most people would end up in jail for anti semitism.

        So what is that special position about? They have strong lobby groups everywhere and people with money and political and media influence that is it!

        The only thing that is happening that people get more and more tired of the complains of people like mr Peter Feldmajer and the other people mentioned above.

  • wolfi

    Orbán’s kutya had to dig deep again – that article was published five years ago – does he know (or care ?) what happened in the meantime ?

    • Pete H.

      Leto is deflecting. What Israel does is irrelevant to how Hungarians treat Hungarians.

      • justasking

        @Pete H,

        ‘What Isr*el does is irrelevant to how Hungarians treat Hungarians’

        Your right…now than tell them to mind their own business, to what is happening in THAT country. Let the people (locals) sort it out from themselves.

        When a foreign country, starts probing into others business…nothing is irrelevant at that point.

  • Leto. مؤدّب

    Yeah, unwelcome alcoholic foreign idiot.

    Just read the Defense Industry Daily article (“Germany Sells Israel More Dolphin Subs”, May 03, 2012 13:34 EDT)

    Israel and Germany signed the contract for the 6th nuclear missile capable submarine on the 5th of February, 2012 and Germany delivered the 4th one on the 3th of May, 2012.

    Any more questions?

  • wolfi

    @Rabid Kutya:

    My comment was for your idiotic ““Then just give us the money”” – which is five years old …

    The German industrialists of course sell subs – would you like one – for Admiral Horthy’s navy ?

    PS: Germany seems to be really good at football too right now …

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      @alcoholic foreign idiot, absolutely unwelcome in my country:

      The “just give us the money” story is still very relevant and it will be for a good while, of course.

      The German industrialists also donate subs* (see article). This is in the “of course” category only for your kind.

      *ones designed and manifactured for launching nuclear missiles, of course

  • Happylady

    @wolfi
    Terrible to see you are so anti Hungarian, where there is truth lies evil attempting to tarnish it.. Move to Israel where you belong.. You don’t deserve any nation from the rotten record of your kind.. You simply have no understanding on what life is about, ignorant fat Bolshevik!!

  • Adolf

    When I see what Orban is doing in Hungary, my heart swells with pride. Whatever he does or says, I could not have done it better. I believe today that his conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty.

  • Karpatok

    Hungary should be for the true Hungarians. Merkel was Stasi brainwashed. That is why she is working for the New World Order where sovereign state would be dissolved into more and more totalitarian control. Orban sees this. He is between Sylla and Charibdis. He is trying to keep Hungarian autonomy. Do you know who runs international finance? Do you know how they operated in the thirties? You need a strong Hungarian realist like Orban to save you.

    • Paul Joseph

      Karpatok, you are completely right. Only Orban can save Western Europe; but for this we should give Him complete Power. Intellectual activity is a danger to the building of character. Hungarians should stop to think for themselves, and sacrifice everything for the Leader, follow Him, and worship Him as Savior! If the day should ever come when Orban must go, if some day He is compelled to leave the scene of History, He will slam the door so hard that the universe will shake and mankind will stand back in stupefaction.

  • Leto. مؤدّب

    It’ll suffice if Orbán saves Hungary. A bit more power may help him indeed so I’m supporting that.

  • Géza

    anti-magyarism
    anti-chinaism
    anti-britonism
    anti-frencism
    anti-semitism
    anti-africanism
    anti-brasilianism
    anti-dutchism
    anti-americanism

    ect ect

    There is no special place for any group or nation! So no political correctness inforced on us.

  • MCKRUSH

    Reading the comments, all too common on this site, by people spouting far-right nationalist and anti-semetic rhetoric would be funny if it weren’t so pathetic and scary. As long as the cult of victimhood runs rampant in Hungary – and it does like perhaps nowhere else in Europe – there will be those clinging to pernicious mythology, looking for scapegoats, and victimizing wrong people.

    • Zsolt

      Whut?
      “As long as the cult of victimhood runs rampant in Hungary”
      Cult of victim-hood runs between the Jewish community…
      I’m fed up with that. The Hungarian nation had a hard time in the past so we care-less what happened the Jews back than,there is a remember day and that’s more than enough after all others celebrate our sufferings.

  • judas

    zsolt and friends,

    actually you are quite right:

    Hungary had difficult times and so you care less about
    what happened to jews back than…

    Look,historically Hungary mastered the art of being nearly
    all the time on the wrong side side…the looser side.
    That is a pitty and an art form.

    You may feel lost in europe with a language which nobody understands but you,a culture which is a mix of agro-
    austrian-khazar-jewish-roma-turkish elements,unclear roots
    or in short : a country with identity problem. Who are you,where you belong too,what are you and where you want to go? In such a situation the way back to a semi nationalistic-egocentric-state of affairs is surely one option, however as history shows it is the wrong one.

    If you hope to find your identity and your place in europe
    and the world by means of bashing jews,chasing roma and
    erecting horthy statues I wish you luck. Your kids will
    surely thank you……

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