July 15th, 2012

British tabloid allegedly tracks down 97-year-old Hungarian Nazi in Budapest

Excerpt Via thesun.co.uk 

Sadist Ladislaus Csizsik-Csatary, 97, was a police commander in charge of a Jewish ghetto in Kassa, Hungary, during World War Two.

He took pleasure in beating women with a whip he carried on his belt, according to devastating documents uncovered by the Nazi-hunters at the Simon Wiesenthal Centre in Jerusalem.

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  • get real

    I did not know Orban is so old!!!:)

  • Leto. مؤدّب

    A British tabloid should really track down someone like Salomon Morel for a change..

    -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salomon_Morel

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      Salomon Morel (November 15, 1919 – February 14, 2007) was a Polish Communist official and an accused war criminal. After the end of World War II, he became the commander of the infamous Zgoda labour camp. During the rule of the Polish United Workers’ Party, Morel rose to the rank of colonel in the political police, or MBP and commanded a prison in Katowice.

      In 1994, soon after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, Morel was indicted by Poland’s Institute of National Remembrance for war crimes and crimes against humanity, including the “revenge killings” of 1,500 ethnic German prisoners. After his case was publicized by the Polish, German, British, and American media, Morel fled to Israel and was granted citizenship under the Law of Return. Poland twice requested his extradition, but Israel refused to comply and rejected the more serious charges as being false, potentially part of an antisemitic conspiracy, and again rejected extradition on the grounds that the statute of limitations against Morel had run out, and that Morel was in poor health.

      • Leto. مؤدّب

        Earlier today I made this remark on The Sun site as well and it seems my post was censored. I’m not surprised at all.

    • sheesh

      No, you and your Fidesz/Jobbik buddies should track him down. Or the Daily Telegraph, etc. That’s how it works.

  • sheesh

    But I agree that based on what I read on Wikipedia about him (and not knowing the case in depth) he should be held accountable and Israel should be put under international pressure to extradite him.

  • wolfi

    Orbán’s rabid kutya aka leto does again what he does best – diverting …

    This is also called Kindergarten logic:

    He did the same thing as I – why am I being punished ?

    BTW: Morel died in 2007 (as stated in the quotation – as usual Orbán’s kutya doesn’t give a source, but it’s probably wiki …) so should someone exhume his remains or what ?

    • sheesh

      He said “someone like” Morel

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      @unwelcome foreign alcoholic ex-Stasi bastard:

      We never ever hear about Communist killers being hunted down.
      BTW, what do you think about that “Israel refused to comply and rejected the more serious charges as being false, potentially part of an antisemitic conspiracy, and again rejected extradition on the grounds that the statute of limitations against Morel had run out, and that Morel was in poor health” ?

      Do you think this is how Hungary should handle this case, too?

      • Bowen

        @ Leto: ‘We never ever hear about Communist killers being hunted down’

        Why is that, do you think? Why are Fidesz so unwilling to open up the old communist files. Do they have something to hide?

        • Leto. مؤدّب

          It’s because, of course, the mainstream PC fashion* is to harass nonagenarian old men who might have possibly killed somebody J*wish 65 years ago.

          *where money and media power is (for the time being at least)

          -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A1ndor_K%C3%A9p%C3%ADr%C3%B3

          • Pete H.

            By your logic Fidesz is hostage to ” the mainstream PC fashion”. And a hostage to money and media power. Why don’t they just buck this trend you imagine and open up the records?

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            There’s no word about Fidesz here. The key words of the article are: British tabloid, 97-year-old, Hungarian Nazi, Simon Wiesenthal Centre, Jerusalem

          • Pete H.

            You were asked about Fidesz and answered.

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            You, postcommie bastards, are really like Móricka (everything reminds that boy of that) :D

  • sheesh

    oh wait, he’s already dead

  • Viking

    Leto. مؤدّب says:
    July 16, 2012 at 12:56 am

    There’s no word about Fidesz here. The key words of the article are: British tabloid, 97-year-old, Hungarian Nazi, Simon Wiesenthal Centre, Jerusalem
    —

    In this statement ‘leto’ reminds soooo much of ‘bob’ when ‘bob’ was cornered
    Wonder why…

    ‘Both’ went to the same Hungarian Communist Training Camp in the end of 70s/beginning of 80s?

  • Leto. مؤدّب

    What you, rotten postcommie bastards, are cornered by a case like Communist war criminal Salomon Morel’s and Israel’s behavior in that case then you shout “Fidesz, Ooooorbán!” :D

    You frigging scum.

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      What -> When

    • Bowen

      No Leto, you were the one who changed the subject that British tabloids should track down communists. Well, perhaps Fidesz should make those communist files public then. But they don’t. Maybe because they’ve something to hide.

    • Pete H.

      Open the files and if anyone is found to have committed crimes at the level of the Nazi’s that were prosecuted, then prosecute them too.

      Leto, I assume you have been contacting the Hungarian government asking them to release the files.

      If not, then you are just all hat and no cattle.

      • Leto. مؤدّب

        Blurt out what your opinion is about Salomon More and more importantly what you think about Israel’s behaviour in this case.

        • Pete H.

          Based on what little you have posted, it seems he should have been prosecuted. However, I am not familiar with international law and how it applies to statue of limitations and extradition.

          From my previous comment it should be clear to you that I have no bias in who should be prosecuted. If they were guilty of serious war crimes and are still alive, then they should be brought to justice.

          I have already made it quite clear that I come from a family that suffered from communist crimes.

          I think it would have been useful for Hungary to have a Truth and Reconciliation process like South Africa’s to deal with all but the most serious crimes.

          But, you keep dogging the issue of the Hungarian files. Why won’t Fidesz release the files?

          Instead of fixating on someone who is already dead, why don’t you contact the Hungarian government right this minute and demand the files be opened.

          We are all looking forward to the comment you will post in the future detailing your efforts to get the files released.

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            The only thing I’m interested in this topic is if it’s a general principle to prosecute nonagenarians for acts done more than 60 years ago or if there is a special exception for desert countries which harbor nonagenarian Communist J*ws who killed Germans in concentration camps shortly after WWII.

          • Pete H.

            No doubt since you are the deflector in chief.

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            No doubt I’m just trying to balance, a tiny bit, the world-wide news coverage and the perception of the public about sins committed more than 60 years ago.

  • judas

    Leto ,diverting the issue ( a typical hungarian trait) will
    not help.

    Nazi’s whereever they are (with blood on their hands) ,whatever their age should be tracked down and proscecuted (however difficult this may be today).
    This is a historical duty of all countries involved.
    I am well aware that this might even lead to aquittal
    (demjanuk in israel for example),but the educational value
    is still valid.

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      Applying double standards (a typical J*ew trait) will
      not help.

      Hungary should reject the charges against Mr. Csizsik-Csatary as being false, potentially part of an anti-Hungarian conspiracy and on the grounds that the statute of limitations against Csizsik-Csatary had run out, and that Mr. Csizsik-Csatary is in poor health.
      Exactly like your country did in the case of Morel.

      • Bowen

        How about erecting statues of Csizsik-Csatary, and putting him on the national curriculum? Like all the other Nazis you and Fidesz are so fond of?

        Really Leto, you’re doing a particularly good job these days of making the current Hungarian government look like a bunch of thieving, lying lunatics. Are you being paid by the opposition now?

        • Leto. مؤدّب

          Good idea… provided the little desert country did the same with that Communist war criminal Morel.

          • Viking

            Interesting – Hungarian politics should just be a copy on another country’s doings.
            No own opinions
            No own policies
            Just a copy-cat

            Seems to be the real argument to keep the Hungarian State – We Do Copy!

            Well, maybe Hungarian President Schmitt really did understand the Hungarian Way of Life, like ‘leto’ seem to do

          • Paul

            @ Leto

            I apologize

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            @Paul:

            Ok, no problem.

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            @Paul:

            BTW, logically follows that you agreed to me that judas has shown his true colours… It is called anti-Hungarianism!

      • Paul

        @ Leto
        “a typical J*ew trait”…you are showing your true feathers Leto. It is called anti-Semitism!

        • Pau

          Would appreciate if you apologize for this one.

        • Leto. مؤدّب

          Why did you write this to judas instead whose words I paraphrazed, hm?

          Are you showing your true feathers?

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            Why didn’t you write

    • Paul

      @ Leto
      ( a typical hungarian trait)…yep Leto…not okay at all.

  • Lisa

    All war criminals must be brought to just. That includes communists & fascists.
    freehungarianvoice.blogspot.com/

  • olga

    @ Judas

    re: “Leto ,diverting the issue ( a typical hungarian trait) will not help. ” – why do you think it’s ok to make these remarks about Hungarians? I am not J*ewish but I feel just as offended if it’s your people or any other race, religion etc who are insulted by painting them with the same brush. Totally gratuitous and since your race is so often maligned, one would think you would be more sensitive to such disgusting behaviour.

    re: “Nazi’s whereever they are (with blood on their hands) ,whatever their age should be tracked down and proscecuted (however difficult this may be today).”

    I agree with that as well but where does it say that the same does not apply to victims of Communist crimes and that Morel did not have blood on his hands?

    If I*srael can protect a mass murderer from facing a trial based on the Statue of Limitations, why is it not permissible for other countries to protect their own monsters?

    Personally, if these people are guilty, I don’t care if they die of stress while awaiting trial ,but I fail to see the difference if my loved ones were exterminated by the hands of Nazis, Communists or Saddam Hussein etc etc

    I am curious to see what possible excuse or defense you could come up with for the Statute of Limitations excuse ( I know in Canada there is Statue of Limitations for murder even if it’s one life lost)

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      “and that Morel was in poor health”.

      This was never an excuse for Nazis or those accused of “Nazi crimes” (like in the case of acquitted Sándor Képíró)

  • olga

    Corection: Ooops

    ( I know in Canada there is NO Statue of Limitations for murder even if it’s one life lost)

  • olga

    @ Leto

    Who cares if they were in poor health? Let’s face it a life sentence is not a big deal when one is 80-90 years old. I always thought these trials were for the living to bring some closure for them

    Whatever happen to Biszku? I know that he was supposedly charged last March and I also know that it takes a long time for cases to be heard but there isn’t that much time at his age so one would think the court date could be expedited.

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      @olga:

      The Hungarian judiciary is full of Communist sympathizers… they’ll take their time. That’s why the Orbán government wants to retire judges over 62.

      • Leto. مؤدّب

        Read this: -http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biszku_B%C3%A9la#Felel.C5.91ss.C3.A9gre_von.C3.A1si_k.C3.ADs.C3.A9rletek

      • …justasking

        @Leto,

        ‘That’s why the Orbán government wants to retire judges over 62′

        And what…fill these vacant spots with his own?

        What Orbi should do, is create some kind of system that guarantees judges being politically impartial. Prove to the people, that they are serious when they say they want to tackle corruption.

        • Leto. مؤدّب

          Don’t fuel their fire.
          And what? … fill these posts lawfully with younger candidates. Tender for jobs, you know.

          • Farangh

            Leta – I agree with you
            Hungary is just like Israel

  • Pa Jar

    Csizsik-Csatary should get a statue next to Horthy’s. And some squares named after him too, a reward for being so loyal to Hungary. Let’s show the whole world that Fidesz embraces Nazi murderers at all times. Just check today’s international news headlines: Top Nazi war criminal located in Hungary; Pressure on Hungary to prosecute Nazi war criminal Laszlo Csatary; World’s Most Wanted Nazi Suspect Found In Hungary; Hungarian President to attend Knesset following Nazi flap; Hungarian president, who honored Nazi-era murderer, invited to Knesset…

    ‎

  • judas

    Olga,

    i admit i was not familiar with salomon morel’s case.
    He should have been investigated and most probably put on trial in israel or poland.
    Since he died in 2007 i think you agree no point of further following this up.
    This said i still come back to the issue of’diverting”.

    This is a continous trait of one group of people in this
    portal when it comes to hungarian nazi crimes and anti semitic speech and deeds.
    This game is typical “hungarian” and i know it from living there for a couple of years. Once a hungarian
    is being confronted with a “problematic”issue involving him personally he first: denies,than blames co -workers,than the others,than the neighbours ,than conspiracy to frame him etc.etc. it is never him! In the end with no way out he(or she)collapses and starts crying.
    I personally experienced this with hungarian well known and respected lawyers,with secretaries,drivers,managers and house-employers. This is a society trait.(i do not know from where it comes.I have my theory though).This trait you see here when it comes to issues like the one
    we discuss here. I do not know if hungarians are aware of this but this is(this includes by the way hungarian jews !)what i ( and buisness collegues of mine) experierenced . This does not mean that every hungarian has this trait but it is an astonishing number of cases
    one collects during years in budapest

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      Once a J*w is being confronted with a “problematic issue” like this Morel’s case he says “I didn’t know but he’s dead anyway” and then he carefully avoids addressing the main point, that is Israel’s behaviour and arguments in handling Morel’s case (including the “anti-Semitic conspiracy” :D ) and then he starts pushing his favourite Holocaust-business again. It’s never him, it’s never them. He thinks they are entitled to doing what they cry wolf about all the time.
      It seems this hypocracy and applying double standards is the very essence of the J3ws. This does not mean that every J@w has this trait but in an astonishing number of cases they are like this.

      • Farangh

        Once a Magyar is being confronted with a “problematic issue” like this Csizsik-Csatary’s case he says “I didn’t know but he’s very old anyway” and then he carefully avoids addressing the main point, that is Hungary’s behaviour and arguments in handling Csizsik-Csatary’s case (including the “anti-Hungarian conspiracy” ) and then he starts pushing his favourite Holocaust-denial business again. It’s never him, it’s never them. He thinks they are entitled to doing what they cry wolf about all the time.
        You post-Nazi bastard…
        It seems this hypocracy and applying double standards is the very essence of the J3ws. This does not mean that every J@w has this trait but in an astonishing number of cases they are like this.

        • Leto. مؤدّب

          You postcommie bastard…

          • Farangh

            You post-Nazi bastard

    • justasking

      @judas,

      ‘Since he died in 2007 i think you agree no point of further following this up’

      Really?!? Surprise, surprise…I do!

      You don’t think that I$raels response to a ‘possible’ War Criminal ((hey, I believe in innocent until proven guilty) did not set a possible precedent for other countries to follow; regarding the perp being too old, ‘Statue of Limitations’ and all?

      You know, that saying about sauce and geese….
      ——

      ‘This is a continous trait of one group of people in this
      portal…’

      Hmmmm…do you really want to get into THAT pissing contest regarding the stereotyping of ‘one group of people’…Seriously?!?!?

      ———-

      ‘Once a hungarian is being confronted with a “problematic”issue involving him personally he first’

      Yeah, that’s a typical complaint one hears, when people do not get the response that they want.
      ——-

      ‘I personally experienced this with hungarian well known …’

      How awful is that?

      Would/could it be comparable to what the average Palestinian experiences every single minute of the day under your countries occupation of them? :(
      ————–
      ‘I have my theory though).This trait you see here when it comes to issues like the one we discuss here. I do not know if hungarians are aware of this but this is(this includes by the way hungarian j*ws !)what i ( and buisness collegues of mine) experierenced’

      And because of this, I imagine you’d be uber sensitive to anyone who would even contemplate treating others in such a humiliating and disrespectful manner.

      I ‘see’ you as the type of person, who would NEVER live in such a country who allowed it, let alone initiated such disgusting behavior….am I right?

  • judas

    leto ,unlike you and your friends,i said clearly this man
    should have been proscecuted. To put a holocaust survivor in charge of a prisoner camp having there “volksdeutsche”,
    polish an other by the soviet regime in 1945 is for sure a recipe for disaster.

    in addition i would like to remind you that demjanjuk was put on trial in israel and …to my personal surprise, was
    acquittet .

    I do not accept your attitude and i am well aware that it is relative hopeless to discuss these matters with you.
    Like it is hopeless to get a discussion going between vona
    and koeves.(why koeves?)

    You are the living prove of my statements made above of
    “Hungarian trait not me,not us but….”. prove me wrong.

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      You failed to address the issue of Israel’s behaviour and excuses in Morel’s case yet again and you’re trying to return to your favourite holo-topic immediately. This seems to be sooooo typical of you and your friends.

  • nem baj

    Poland did actively prosecute Morel, a Polish citizen, when he was on its soil.

    Hungary appears quite reluctant to do so. The rest is whataboutery.

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      Nope. The point, as you yourself know very well, too, is the Israeli argumentation against Morel’s extradition:

      1/ “potentially part of an antisemitic conspiracy”
      2/ rejecting extradition on the grounds that “the statute of limitations against Morel had run out”
      3/ and that Morel was in poor health

      How about applying these very same arguments for Mr. Csizsik-Csatary’s case?

      • Viking

        Because Hungary could not have any own opinion on what is right or wrong?
        Just copy other countries policies

        No wonder ‘leto’s’ Supreme Leader selected a copy-general to be President for this country
        Copy, copy and no real originality…

  • John

    Leto, I’m wondering… are you a retarded Fidesz prostitute or a whoring Fidesz retard?

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      You postcommie bastard…

      • wolfi

        What’s the difference between leto and the Hindenburg ?

        One is a flaming N*zi gas bag, and the other is a blimp …

  • olga

    @ Judas

    Re: “i admit i was not familiar with salomon morel’s case.He should have been investigated and most probably put on trial in israel or poland.
    Since he died in 2007 i think you agree no point of further following this up.This said i still come back to the issue of’diverting”.”

    I never heard of Morel either until the name came up on this website and then I started reading about him.

    Don’t forget that I am totally supportive of I*srael hunting down N*azi criminals but my reading about the Morel case was totally shocking. It’s not “diversion” because not only is there is close correlation, but it’s also about Orville and his famous quote about equality regarding the subjective and selective value on human life.

    I always admired the relentless pursuit of N*azi war criminals and only wished there was that much effort to hunt down and try Communist war criminals, but that doesn’t mean that I once I found out about the Morel case, I did not view the I*sraeli government’s actions unforgivably disgusting and I am surprised it did not set some kind of an international precedent.

    I do think that it would be in everyone’s best interest to have these N*azi and Communist alleged war criminals die off and the sooner the better; one less issue for the living to fight about. Then again, Pope Formosus was dug up in the 890′s to face trial and was convicted, so maybe the “end” of these cases is just wishful thinking on my part.

  • Leto. مؤدّب

    “it’s also about Orwell and his famous quote about equality regarding the subjective and selective value on human life”

    Exactly! Well put.

  • Bowen

    I’ve worked it out! Leto, you are Lazslo Csatary.

    Where can I claim my $20,000 bounty reward?

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      I didn’t have to work out what you are, postcommie scum. So no bounty reward.

  • Farangh

    You post-Nazi bastard…

  • olga

    @ Viking

    This should make you happyHungarian prosecutors arrest 97-year-old Laszlo Csatary, charge him with Nazi-era war crimes

    By Pablo Gorondi, The Associated Press July 18, 2012 9:10 AM

    I just read the article in the Vancouver Sun 5 minutes ago

    • Viking

      Well,

      97-year-old Laszlo Csatary should have emigrated to Sweden instead
      Sweden does not accept trials for such old crimes
      Just before the murder on Olof Palme would have been barred after 25 years, the law was changed, but only for those crimes that happened after January 1, 1986

      So 97-year-old Laszlo Csatary would have a nice retirement there, just a question mark if he would ever had been accepted as Swedish citizen with his background, which he is not dispute

      As I understand Hungary, like many countries, does not have this 25 year limit, so Hungary cannot use that loophole and then end up as a political sensitive problem, obviously

  • judas

    Olga, like i already said: if i would have known about the case in time ,let us say around 1998,i would have supported any effort to bring this man to trial for what he did (revenge would not be acceptable ) Legally he should be put on trial. A jew, a holocaust survivor can
    not take the law in his own hands. having said this i have to admit that several survivors took revenge at germans in various forms and times. On a human level one can understand ,from a legal standpoint it is unacceptable.

    And what should have been done with S.Morel for sure counts in the case of the 97 year old hungarian Nazi.

    In order to take some wind out of ricsi and leto sails:
    israel proscecuted and acquitted john,Ivan,Demjanjuk in Israel for example (eichman on the other hand we caught and sentenced to death )So i can only say said basically Israels legal system works (the newspapers however work better)Thanks god.

    Unfortunately ,in the current anti-semitic climate,worldwide but especially in eastern europe Israelis and jews,civilians,kids and tourists are being bombed in their tourist buses (burgos) and/or would have been killed in cyprus,thailand and kenia ,in aserbidjan,ukraine and poland if israels services would not stop them beforehand .In hungary we are still at the level of hatespeech,here and there a small stone or slight beating and the so called “stuermer” propaganda by
    jobbik,kuruc info etc

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      In Morel’s case “Israel refused to comply and rejected the more serious charges as being false, potentially part of an antisemitic conspiracy, and again rejected extradition on the grounds that the statute of limitations against Morel had run out, and that Morel was in poor health”

      This is about the fourth time you wriggle out of condemning Israel’s behaviour in this case and when you immediately start drooling about the very same thing in the same way you always do. How pathetic… :D

      • Viking

        But ‘leto’, you do not want Morel to be prosecuted, as you do not want Csatary to be prosecuted, so what is your obsession with Morel?
        You have several times argued that old people should not be prosecuted for old crimes, so just be happy with Morel
        By him a flower!
        And keep on fighting for Csatary being released
        Maybe you can petition Your Supreme Leader?

  • Fidel

    Yawn….
    Just imagine the good stuff people could do with their time if they didn’t spent time on this baloney, gawddamn you guys are weird…

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