July 18th, 2012

Under growing pressure, Hungarian prosecutors take war crimes suspect Csizsik-Csatáry into custody

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Suspected war criminal László Csizsik-Csatáry was questioned and put under house arrest by detectives in Budapest on Wednesday, following local and international condemnation of alleged official indifference to the 97-year-old’s case.

According to investigators of the Simon Wiesenthal Center and other sources, Csatáry played a prominent role in the deportation of thousands of Jews in World War II, when he was stationed in the then-Hungarian city of Kassa (now Košice is Slovakia).

Earlier this year, Csatáry was put at the top of the Wiesenthal Center’s list of “most wanted Nazis.”

The move to take Csatary into custody comes as Hungarian prosecutors and politicians came under increasing pressure to act on the case, which was put in the spotlight over the weekend following international media reports that the long-sought suspect was living openly in Budapest.

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  • JSF

    It’s pathetic that the prosecutors had to be pressured into this move. Hungary just sinks lower and lower, day by day. Very depressing.

    • ricsi

      Its even more pathetic that our ‘president’ grovels in Israhell instead of visiting the parents of gypsy murder victim Bándi Kata in Pécs. Its even more pathetic that zionazis get away with everything yet persecute an old man over events over 70 years ago.

      • Pete H.

        Would you be so forgiving if Csatáry was a gypsy who had committed the same crimes 70 years ago?

        In any case this is the right thing to do. He has been accused of serious crimes, he has been questioned, and since he is undoubtedly a flight risk he is being detained. And detained in a rather comfortable way. Apparently when he was questioned he did not deny the accusations and simply responded that he was following orders. So this admission along with other evidence makes e a very strong basis for his detention and prosecution. After making such an admission, he is getting off easily with home detention.

        If OV, is going to visit Bándi Kata’s parents, then he would have to do this for every family who is the victim of a murderer regardless of the perpetrators ethnic background. Crime is crime. Obviously a head of state is never expected to do this.

  • Géza

    “he did not deny the accusations and simply responded that he was following orders.”

    Did you have access to the police files? So how do you know what this man said?

    In 1948 a lot of people of the old system where sentenced to death or life in prison by the communist who came to power in that time. Without real peoove them being guilty of those crimes.

    What does the Simon Wiesenthal centre has? Testimonies, how much can we trust those?

    It is now known that Wiesenthal, a born story-teller, rarely let the facts get in the way of a good story—in fact many of the things he claimed to have done were fabrications.
    Both Simon Wiesenthal and the Center named after him have been accused of flagrant lying, exaggerations and half-truths.

    The problem in Europe, USA, Canada, Australia and probably New Zealand is that politicians are so afraid to be called a anti-semite (what is used by Isrealis to manipulate non-Israelites) that it clouded their judgement.

    Leave that old man alone, who is probably not guilty as many policeofficers in that difficult period of 20th century hustory.

    What about all those american, british and Israeli warcriminals? Not only soldiers but politicians alike!

    Hypocrites!

    • Albion

      @ Geza

      Hey Hungarian nazi sympathiser….Name some American and British War Criminals. Or is bringing an end to nazi tyranny in Europe considered a war crime ? Maybe in the eyes of a facist bigot like you it is. Face up Hungary, many of your citizens particpated in one of the biggest crimes against humanity in modern history. You have no place in todays Europe if you cannot acknowledge this and participate in the process of bringing the guilty to justice. If this man is guilty, then he should be held accountable for his crimes regardless of his age. As for you Geza, the sooner you and your type are history, the better a place the world will be.

  • something fishy

    The most baffling thing about this case is how the hell, given Hungary’s health service, anyone was capable of living to the age of 97 around here.

    • Hilarious

      @something fishy. Best comment. Possible answer: he had the benefit of the Canadian healthcare system until 1997.

  • living in hope

    hopfully if this old nazi has gained any morals and respect for others in the last 70 years he will drop dead asap. i have met a hungarian holocast survivor who still cries uncontrolably when she talks about what happened to her and her family. She says she will never stop talking about it until she can talk no more. Hungary must take its head out of the sand and face reality before it all happens again. The denial in this country is frightening and this attitude of “it happened so long ago” and “how can we believe these people are telling the truth” just lowers even further peoples opion of hungarians and this shameful country. Why they did not just give all of hungary away to other countries after WW1 is beyond me!

    • …justasking

      @living,

      ‘ he will drop dead asap’

      I’m sure many wish the same on you.

    • Ma Jar

      If this man was such a bad person why was he not judged at Nuremberg? Also, he did live almost seventy years, scott free, so why was he not arrested years ago? Enough of this alleged Nazi, if he did it he should be punished but let us go after the thousands of communists in all the former Soviet controlled countries. Their crimes, in numbers were greater, much greater.

      • …justasking

        @Ma,

        ‘Enough of this alleged Nazi, if he did it he should be punished’

        And I agree…there should be no such thing as a Statue of Limitations INTERNATIONALLY when it comes to War Criminals in my opinion.

        If he did in-fact do what has been claimed against him; proven beyond a shadow of a doubt…fry his ass.

    • Ma Jar

      I don’t know which nationality, race or religion you are but you are despicable. Why this site allows bufoons to spout garbage is beyond me. The last sentence should have been deleted, removed and constitutes “hate speech”. If this is considered an opinion it is not at all constructive!

      • Ma Jar

        My last comment was directed at \living in hope\

        • …justasking

          @ Mar,

          I should bloody well hope so!!!

  • DoubleH63

    @Pete H. “Obviously a head of state is never expected to do this.”

    Only in a case when the alleged ‘crime’ is committed against the people of the Talmud [keyword: alleged, “I hate all J*ws!” – fuck freedom of speech; calling Hungarians Nazis and racists is ok though. Like Csatáry who was never a member of a Nazi Party.]
    On top of it all, are you drunk or what, babbling about OV little ‘Wiesenthal’?

  • DoubleH63

    @living in hope

    Did your holonyomor survivor told you stories about Mengele? [They all have a few. The guy was apparently a Superman standing on the ramp 24/7 conducting who should live and who should die. In his remaining time he did something to all – well, at least to the ones who survived.] How all those children and old people lived through all the horrors is still a mystery (weren’t they all supposed to be killed on arrival?). Did she tell you about the flame throwing chimneys of the crematories? Some survivors can even tell just by the color of the flames who was burning! These stupid Germans were really inept at engineering; couldn’t even build a crematory without a chimney that does not give out flames!
    Oh well, I guess we all need a fairy tale to believe in.
    Btw. Are you a real estate agent for Simon? Just curious because you want to give away Hungary so badly pajeszos.

    • …justasking

      @Double,

      Hey there…
      ——–

      ‘Oh well, I guess we all need a fairy tale to believe in’

      You know, I don’t believe it is. It happened, and shame on all who allowed it to happen.

      I am however disgusted by those who have exploited this evil moment in our human history, for anything other than justice for those victims.

      Living by the mantra of ‘Never forgive/never forget’ will always, eventually, bite you in the ass.

    • Albion

      @DoubleH63

      It is astounding, that despite all of the eye witness accounts,admissions of the guilty,photographic evidence and the fact that an estimated 6 million people were rounded up and never seen again, there are still arseholes like you, who think it never happened. What an idiot you are.

  • Ron

    Most of the responses are a pathetic.
    Mr. László Csizsik-Csatáry is not a fairy tale, and unfortunately he will most probably die before he goes on trial.
    If he makes it to his trial I will smile the day he hangs.
    Remember the martyrs that fell into the hands of this piece of shit.

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      “I will smile the day he hangs”

      I will smile when you’ll learn he’d die peacefully in his bed like Salomon Morel ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salomon_Morel), because according to Israel the statute of limitations against Morel had run out and that Morel was in poor health, and you’ll also learn there’s no death penalty in Hungary (or anywhere else in Europe)

      • Etus

        Why are you so obsessed with Morel? Did he fuck your grandmother and left her “forever alone”?
        You know the expression “an eye for an eye”? It’s due to retro-commies like you that our country will never pick up. Just look what happened to Hungary in the last 20 years, it went from bad to 20x worse. People like you, Orban and Vona should be sentenced for all the hate they plant in the hearts of Hungarians.

        • Leto. مؤدّب

          Why are you so obsessed with Csizsik-Csatáry?

          BTW, “an eye for an eye” is an Old Testament (J@wish) principle. Did you know he New Testament has superceded that?

  • olga

    @ Etus

    I am not sure why you have to be disgustingly crude, but as far as Csatary and Morel are concerned, please enlighten me.

    I read the Canadian government’s reasons to get rid of him and I don’t need to see him tired in order to know he is guilty. I have no doubt that Canada would have treated both men the same because they committed the same atrocities

    As far as I am concerned Csatary can be tried,, stoned in the public square, hung , rot in hell because my mind can’t even take in the horrors and suffering this man has caused. But so has Morel.

    Why should he have been be protected? I am not “obsessed” with him, I simply feel that all war criminals ought to be treated the same way and the reality that the very country that has done such an excellent job of hunting down these sadistic psychopaths has protected ” a Csatary clone ” seems reprehensible. What took 15 years to find him is beyond me but that’s irrelevant now

    I wonder if the people who share your views on this website think I qualify as an anti-Sem. because I want all war criminals accountable and I can’t figure out why resenting that Morel was protected from prosecution is so “unacceptable” –

    The “obsession” about Morel is a cry for his victims and in no way does that negate the cry for Csatary’s victims – except in your eyes by the sound of your venemous posting

  • Ma Jar

    Attrocities occurred for war is not play and all countries are in it to win – Geneva Rules, – often disregarded by all sides. Winston Churchill said that “war is the highest form of insanity”. How very true and how very sad for mankind for it is much, much easier to destroy than to build.
    Now what I would like to know is the following: What was the Jewish population of Europe in 1939, before the war started and what was it at the end of WWII?

    • …justasking

      @Ma,

      ‘What was the J*wish population of Europe in 1939, before the war started and what was it at the end of WWII?’

      They say 6 million less….

  • olga

    @ Albion

    re: “It is astounding, that despite all of the eye witness accounts,admissions of the guilty,photographic evidence and the fact that an estimated 6 million people were rounded up and never seen again, there are still arseholes like you, who think it never happened. What an idiot you are.”

    I disagree with you – He is not an idiot and he knows that documented history about the H. is true. So does everyone else who has as much knowledge about the events as he does including the infamous Ernst Zundel who read enough facts to know that it’s true.

    Look for other reasons beside being an “idiot” because being an idiot can sometimes be sheer gullibility and ain’t the case here.

    BTW to everyone else who every called JA an anti-Sem. read her posting on this thread at 8.56 a.m.

  • …justasking

    @Olga,

    ‘BTW to everyone else who every called JA an…’

    I would really appreciate it, if you would not try and undo the ‘image’, that I have painstakingly created for myself around here!

    Some friend you are, you pseudo Canadian housewife!!!

  • DoubleH63

    @…justasking “It happened”

    Yes, let’s look at what really happened… Wait, we can’t. It makes you a Nazi, and in most countries of the world you go to prison for it.
    Enough said.

    • justasking

      @Double,

      ‘Yes, let’s look at what really happened…in most countries of the world you go to prison for it’

      I’ll agree with you here, it should be treated like any-other act in history; it should be open for discussion/debate/scrutiny etc.

      Whether it was 6 mil or 1 mil matters not to me, I’m not hung up on the numbers….only on the fact that it happened/was allowed to happen, that’s enough for me.

      Evil is evil, period…implying that there maybe ‘varying degrees’ of it, to me, is immoral.

  • DoubleH63

    @Albion “photographic evidence”

    Gee, I really would like to see that one!

  • DoubleH63

    @olga “He is not an idiot and he knows that documented history about the H. is true.”

    Is your crystal ball in overdrive again?
    Wait, let me grab all those documents with my hands covered in gloves made out of J*wish skin and read it by my lamp (shades made out of Jewish hides) but before I do that, I better wash my hands with some fine soap made out of J*w fat.

    • justasking

      @Double,

      Was this post really necessary?

  • DoubleH63

    @justasking

    “Was this post really necessary?”

    You bet. Those alleged crimes are part of the ‘documented’ fairy tales, and German people died because of it.

    BTW, every time I read the word “evil”, describing a person, nation, whatever…a red flag goes up for me – as it should for everyone else.

    • Magyar

      Not just German people…
      What about the 600 000 Hungarians that were deported to the USSR after WW2?

      What about the Benes decrees? The Hungarian Holocaust?
      What about the massacre of 50 000 Hungarians in Vojvodina, followed by expulsion of another 50 000.

      What about the Allied bombing of Budapest?

      What about the Soviet invasion, there thousands of Hungarian girls, women and grandmothers were raped by Romanians and Soviets.

      What about Trianon? THe theft of 72% of Hungarian territory, and the theft of a third of Hungarians.

      What about when Mongols killed 50% of the Hungarian population, or when the Turks killed 50% of the Hungarian population.

      I could carry on all day with this, but honestly, I don’t give a fck about some so called jewish holocaust.

    • Magyar

      Not just German people…
      What about the 600 000 Hungarians that were deported to the USSR after WW2?

      What about the Benes decrees? The Hungarian Holocaust?
      What about the massacre of 50 000 Hungarians in Vojvodina, followed by expulsion of another 50 000.

      What about the Allied bombing of Budapest?

      What about the Maniu Guards massacring Székelys ?

      What about the Soviet invasion, thousands of Hungarian girls, women and grandmothers were raped by Romanians and Soviets, and thousands of people died, and Budapest& the rest of Hungary got trashed.

      What about Trianon? THe theft of 72% of Hungarian territory, and the theft of a third of Hungarians.

      What about when Mongols killed 50% of the Hungarian population, or when the Turks killed 50% of the Hungarian population.

      I could carry on all day with this, but honestly, I don’t give a fck about some so called j@wish holocaust.

      • vasile

        stop judging like that. I can also remind you about the Hungarian masacres from Transilvania (there were a lot of them). It is not worthy, everybody was wrong. We really have to focus now on the present problems and we are obliged to renounce violence!

    • justasking

      @Double,

      ‘You bet. Those alleged crimes are part of the ‘documented’ fairy tales, and German people died because of it’

      No, what you’re doing, is dismissing those people, who truly suffered, were victims, because of a few individuals, who have made a career of exploiting it.

      That does not give you the right to belittle those who paid the ultimate price, so that you can cement your point in a post.

    • justasking

      @Double,

      ‘BTW, every time I read the word “evil”, describing a person, nation, whatever…a red flag goes up for me – as it should for everyone else’

      And I agree, 100%.

      I then look into what would/could possibly make a person so desensitized, that they would check their morals at the door and simply ‘go with the flow’?

      We do it today…at this very moment, going by World events…why IS that do you think?

  • DoubleH63

    @Magyar

    I was only talking about those specific “documented” crimes. [I can also bring up the “shrunken heads” crime, (OSS invention) – photographic evidence for Albion – we can see as Germans filing by these presented “evidence” to show them the horrors of their “evil” leaders.

  • olga

    @ Double

    re: “BTW, every time I read the word “evil”, describing a person, nation, whatever…a red flag goes up for me – as it should for everyone else”

    I shall start off with Rakosi and Stalin and when I master
    the trick of not immediately thinking of pure evil upon reading or hearing those two names,I’ll keep adding names and when finished in a year or so, I shall proceed to the list of “whatever”

    Never thought of any nation as “evil” – that’s your MO as well as “get real” s so I am sure when he posts his insane
    hatred against Hungarians you can relate to those feelings but not the target.

    Kind of like the Muslim fanatics who can dish out but “not very gracious” when they are the target

  • DoubleH63

    @olga

    Just out of courtesy I will answer your post. [I don’t want to upgrade your ‘blond’ and ‘bobbysoxer’ status right now.]
    I am fairly certain that on your “evil” list those two names are not the first ones :)
    But you just keep scribbling those names; at least in the mean time you won’t bother me with meaningless posts.

  • olga

    @ Double

    I will be forever grateful for your kindness for not “upgrading” so as a courtesy to you, I shall confirm that you are correct.

    The first 3 names that have been embedded in my mind since I was old enough to comprehend “evil” are H*itler, Stalin and Rakosi – in that order.

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      That order is wrong. Stalin was more evil than Hitler. For one thing, Stalin killed a lot more people than Hitler.

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