July 25th, 2012

Antal Rogán really wants everyone to know he didn’t spend the equivalent of a year’s take-home pay for the average Hungarian on his latest luxury vacation

Antal Rogán, who simultaneously serves as the head of Fidesz’s parliamentary group, the head of parliament’s economic committee, and the mayor of Budapest’s inner District V, is well known to suffer from two weaknesses: A love of luxury, and unquenchable thirst for media exposure. This week, the two collided in a way that could have ended very badly for himself and his party.

It all started out rather harmlessly, with a short “color” item in tabloid Blikk on Sunday about how Rogán and his family were enjoying their family holiday in France, with a cute picture of the Rogáns posing next to an oversized statue of a swan (left).

Unfortunately for Rogán, someone quickly identified the swan as being on the grounds of the super-luxurious Four Seasons Hotels and Resort Provence at Terre Blanche and by the following night the fideszfigyelo blog had a blistering piece detailing how much it would have cost for Rogán to have stayed there for a week: Something in the neighborhood of the roughly Ft 2 million that the average Hungarian wage-earner grosses in a year.

According to an acute observer of Hungarian politics we know, Rogán’s self-inflicted wound (Rogán or his people presumably sent the picture to Blikk) was probably the worst thing that could happen to him or Fidesz. As this person put it, the average Hungarian voter generally won’t get upset about stories of billions or trillions of forints going missing, because in a country where most people have never had HUF 1 million in cash savings, billions and trillions are just theoretical. But everyone can grasp the idea of a politician paying HUF 500,000 a night for a hotel room.

No doubt Rogán agrees, because his people quickly put out the word that he and the family had actually stayed at a friend’s house near the Four Seasons, and were only dropping by the resort when they had the pic snapped. Whether this is true or not we have no idea, though if anyone wants to ask him directly note that a good place to find him is Nobu Budapest.

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  • ThE_WoRd

    my family once ran into his entire family at the Four Seasons in Budapest. The guy must be getting some serious discounting from them

  • Magyar

    That is Fidesz for you.
    Stuff your pockets full of taxpayers money, and then go on an expensive holiday while claiming to be a “hero of the people”

    I wonder where Orbán goes on holiday, but it’s bound to be extremely expensive, and not to mention paid by money from my, Leto’s, Ricsi’s and all other Hungarian’s salaries.

    But I am sure the thought of Fidesz politicians enjoying themselves out of our money gives Leto a hardon.

  • Microscope needed

    Re: Leto’s hard-on

    Hope you’ve got a microscope. He rubs it out with tweezers.

    • Magyar

      He rubs it out while looking at this picture

      barikad.hu/sites/barikad.hu/files/2011/09/barikad.jpg

  • ricsi

    Magyar@ I agree with you,but don’t worry about my money,Leto on the other hand should be asking him/her self some serious questions about this fxxked up administration,about to go the same way as the MSZP.

  • justasking

    Well, lets hold on a second here…if the guy is paying for this vacation out of his own pocket…what’s it any of our business?

    If he was charging the taxpayer for this, yes, lets make this news and hold his b*lls to the wall.
    ———–

    @ricsi,

    Leto is a guy.

    • Curious George

      @JA – I disagree. From today’s caboodle refreshes:-

      “For one thing, Rogán has spent and borrowed his district into a major debt hole. According to this report back in December, per-capita debt in the belváros blew up in 2011 to HUF 550,000, from around HUF 370,000 the previous year, making it the most indebted of Budapest’s 23 districts.”
      and
      “District V Mayor Antal Rogán and Debrecen Mayor Lajos Kósa are the most indebted Fidesz MPs,……. Kósa said his debts totaled Ft 50 million (€182,000), while Rogán owes Ft 57.8 million. ”

      When Hungary is in a big hole, and he is churning out news reports which include statements like those above, you have to look into his suitability to be in any political position, let alone 3 major ones.

      • justasking

        @George,

        ‘I disagree. From today’s caboodle refreshes’

        With what? Is this vacation being paid out of his own pocket or not? This has nothing to do with him getting paid for doing a shitty job.
        ———–

        ‘you have to look into his suitability to be in any political position, let alone 3 major ones’

        I have to say George, I’ve never heard of politicians holding down so many ‘jobs’, all at one time. Is this ‘normal’? I’m being serious here; I’ve never heard of such a thing.

        Another question I’ve always been curious about…why the need for Mayors in every district of Budapest? Whats wrong with just 1, like in other major cities around the World?
        —–

      • Curious George

        @JA – Well, I disagree on the issue of it being okay to have him in such a position, even it if it were his own money. A politician who cannot manage his own debt is a dangerous person to have managing public finances (for obvious reasons), and to have a politician managing such an important role in a financially stretched country is plain irresponsible. Moreover being financially stretched & having a career only guaranteed to the next election, leaves him open to potential corruption opportunities. Rogan has already demonstrated his financial prowess (or lack of) by increasing the district debt to being the highest (for which the tax payer & residents are going to pay), and by increasing his own debt with foreign vacations in such harsh times. If OV was responsible, he would reign Rogan in, or shunt him aside.
        Our politicians and officials sometimes have multiple roles and appointments, but only if they have a proven track record, and unlike Hungary, they are given very clear deliverables for each portfolio.

        Speaking of multiple mayors, we didn’t have any in our capital city for more than half a century. Now, we have a few MPs who are appointed mayors, to oversee the city councils of multiple districts (each with their own MP), and ensure that there is coordination, efficiency, & cost reduction in city services across districts. Our MPs only get a stipend to supplement their own salaries (all our MPs have full-time jobs in the govt or the private sector).

        • justasking

          @George,

          ‘Well, I disagree on the issue of it being okay to have him in such a position, even it if it were his own money’

          Hold on a sec…did I miss something here? Is this thread about a guy being on a lavish vacation with his family…or about his job performance?

          I never said it was ‘okay to have in in such a position’.
          ———-

          ‘A politician who cannot manage his own debt is a dangerous person…’

          I agree….as well with the rest of your post

        • Curious George

          @JA – OK. Some misunderstanding here. I still think the issue of an expensive vacation of a politician for a country in financial distress has to be tied with the ruling party’s overall approach for economic recovery. While the public legally doesn’t have grounds to question the source of funds, the party leader does – both for accountability & perception reasons.
          I would like to clarify an earlier sentence. I should have said with Rogan’s heavy debts, he would have a conflict of interest which would make him more vulnerable to corruption, and that is also a situation which a strong leader would try to avoid.

          • justasking

            @George,

            I agree…

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            I have to agree, too. :(

          • justasking

            @Leto,

            ‘I have to agree, too’

            Shut the front door!!!

            I bet that tasted like vinegar in your mouth admitting that! But, good on you for doing it none the less.

            You have to admit though, that if Fidesz were in-fact a party of the people and for the people…Orbi should be making an example of this guy.
            ——

            PS: Huh…maybe the guy who has a bone pierced through his nose, wearin a grass skirt whilst packin a spear, isn’t as dim witted as first thought?

            Anything IS possible I suppose. :)

    • Pipo

      @ Ricsi,
      Leto is a girl. She sucks everyone off and has no balls at all.

      • ricsi

        girl/guy whatever,Leto should be asking serious questions to him/herself about his/her beloved zsidesz right now.

      • justasking

        @Pipo,

        ‘Leto is a girl. She sucks everyone off and has no balls at all’

        Means nothing…I know guys like that.

    • wolfi

      “if the guy is paying for this vacation out of his own pocket …”

      Was this some kind of joke or are you really that stupid or rather don’t know anything about Hungary ?

      • justasking

        @Wolfi,

        ‘Was this some kind of joke or are you really that stupid or rather don’t know anything about Hungary ?’

        No, it wasn’t a ‘joke’; but, a legitimate question.

        Are you suggesting (or accusing) the man of being corrupt? If so, do you have any evidence to prove your claim, or merely talking out or your ass as usual?

        • justasking

          sorry..’talking out OF your…’

        • goribo

          Uh, you need proof to know there’s corruption in Hungary?? I think everybody KNOWS there’s corruption. It’s exactly a controversial question.

          • Deposit

            There’s corruption at every level. And the “red tape” is actually burgundy… killing a lot of business. Viktor Orban is of course not to blame for this – it was like that for the last 2 decades. But so far he did not do anything to improve the situation, he just made things worse. While covering up for his own party’s greed, he created a legal and economic context that will leave the country in isolation and even worse poverty.
            Everyday I see tons of people searching the trashcans for something to eat. I think it’s about time that the Hungarian people ask themselves what Orban & Rogan have done for them, except making life even harder than it was before.

          • justasking

            @goribo,

            ‘Uh, you need proof to know there’s corruption in Hungary??’

            Yeah, yeah I do…I believe in ‘innocent, until proven guilty’. Anything other than that, is simply mob mentality.

  • spectator

    I don’t see any difference regarding where the money comes from, and you know why?
    Even if he paid from his own pocket, you put the money in there at the first place!

    More didactic: you pay his salary anyway, so it doesn’t really matter which pocket we talking about, does it?

    Otherwise, whatever the chain is, the scenery absolutely dreadful! Either this guy has no taste, or he has stuck somewhere at age four… I wouldn’t go for that ugly bird even if I’d got paid for…

    By the other hand, Mr.Rogan has a rather expensive taste – nothing wrong with that by itself. Even I like handmade brogues in occasions, in spite of their price. Compare them with Mr.Orban’s rubber soled comfy footwear, and you’ll see the difference yourself.

    • justasking

      @spec,

      ‘More didactic: you pay his salary anyway, so it doesn’t really matter which pocket we talking about, does it?’

      Sure it does…it comes down to whether that person received said pay ‘legitimately’ (set pay VS under the table) or not.

      My God are you a cynical person!
      ———-

      ‘ I wouldn’t go for that ugly bird even if I’d got paid for…’

      Are you sure? We all have a price. :)
      ———-

      ‘Even I like handmade brogues in occasions, in spite of their price’

      How positively Bourgeoisie!!! So much for you being the ‘Communist’ like I thought!!! No Heineken for you!

      • spectator

        Hi JA,
        - I am a cynical person, no doubt. But then again – so what?

        - Having that friggin’ thing in my company is explicitly priceless! I’ve got the gose- excuse moi: swan-bumps just look at it.

        - Usually I don’t drink beer, – don’t like the stuff – even if I tried was mostly for curiosity now and then. I have no problem with that logo, though. Being free minded has it’s drawbacks – one doesn’t fit into one box.
        (Must be cremated first – takes less space :-)

        • Ping Pong

          @spectator

          Just for clarification:

          “I wouldn’t go for that ugly bird even if I’d got paid for…”

          Are you talking about the swan or his wife?

          BTW, since you do not drink beer it is understandable that you mistake Heineken for one. Heineken (and Becks) could be beer if it was not so watered down to suit Americans and teenies who want to pretend that they like beer.

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