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July 27th, 2012

Orbán says relationship with IMF not “emotional” issue as Jobbik slams gov’t on bailout talks

The government sees Hungary’s relationship with the International Monetary Fund not as an emotional issue, Prime Minister Viktor Orban said on Thursday.
Orban told a meeting of national business association VOSZ that “the question at hand is what Hungary needs.”

If Hungary needs to access funds at low interest because of the high public debt and since the country is repeatedly taking out loans in order to pay for previous loans, then it is necessary to come to an agreement with the IMF, Orban said. He added, however, that this is only possible if the conditions set by the organisation do not cause more damage than what is gained financially.

The government’s task is to negotiate an acceptable deal, Orban said.

The prime minister said he was glad the IMF had not been in Hungary for the past one and a half or two years, because its presence would have prevented the government from implementing several components of its economic policy.

If the IMF had stayed in Hungary, financing Hungary’s public debt would have been about 100 billion forints cheaper each year, but the government would not have been able to draw in 600 billion forints from the bank sector or 480 billion forints from crisis taxes over three years; and it would not have been able to roll back the pension system, which resulted in an annual 360 billon forints paid into the pension fund, he added.

Orban qualified the government’s policy towards the IMF in the past period as “reasonable”.

He said it remained to be seen if an agreement on the financial transactions duty could be reached.

Jobbik slams government on “closed-door” talks, austerity

It is unacceptable that the government is holding talks with the International Monetary Fund behind closed doors about Hungary’s internal affairs and economic policy, a lawmaker of radical nationalist Jobbik told a press conference on Thursday.

Deputy group leader Janos Volner said it was also unacceptable that the IMF had a stronger voice for instance on the country’s tax matters than all four opposition parties together.

While during parliamentary debates the government had practically ignored amendments submitted by the opposition parties, it will carry out, it seems, the dictates of the IMF, Volner said.

He said the IMF always proposes only austerities to countries that start talks with it and never cares about the conditions of boosting long term sustainable growth.

In Jobbik’s estimate, the government will have to introduce austerities worth 600 billion forints (EUR 2.1bn) next year because of insufficiencies in the 2013 budget.

MTI (Magyar Távirati Iroda) is the Hungarian news agency.
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  • Another dimwit politician

    “He added, however, that this is only possible if the conditions set by the organisation do not cause more damage than what is gained financially.”

    Holy cow a statement that I agree with…

    Now the only problem is that his actions have actually cost the country far more than 100bln HUF…

    E.G. –
    Reducing attractiveness in Hungary as a place to invest – how many new jobs has that potentially cost.

    Scaring away young talent to EU countries as oppose to wanting to stay at home (where is that tax revenue)

    Driving up inflation through increased VAT and maintaining a weak HUF (e.g. less disposable income more money going back to the west to finance our borrowings)

    Reducing the likelyhood that banks will pour more capital back into there subsidiaries to invest in this market

    keeping loans more expensive due to an increase risk premia placed on funds by banks and private investors

    I can keep going…

    His ingoing idea was great if the economy turns around than we will not need the IMF straight jacket instead he created a situation where the IMF will name their price and we will be “screw*d”.

    Great job man – you really know what you are doing… It is the economy stupid.

    • Phil Lemercier

      If the real investor sentiment would be translated in a rating, Hungary would have a Triple F Junk status. There’s hardly any reason left to invest in Hungary, while investors can sum up plenty of reasons why they called off earlier planned investments.
      Great job, Orban, you’ll be remembered for this.

  • Viking

    it would not have been able to roll back the pension system, which resulted in an annual 360 billon forints paid into the pension fund

    The idea with private pension funds, that mostly were financed by their members and not by the State, was that these funds would take care of the main bulk of future pensions

    Orban fixed so that will be as in Kadar time

    • spectator

      “..that will be as in Kadar time..”

      -I assume, that you weren’t around that time, were you?
      There was social security – if nothing else – to evryone, there was access to culture and education to everyone (even to Mr.Orban! Think about it!), free health care, and so on.
      A few thing common though, that there was only one party, and you weren’t supposed to lean out of the line, and almost everything was stately owned.

      As opposed to the present, the rules were known and simple. As opposed to the present, the s.c. “dictator” was a rather puritan person, with no megalomaniac tendencies, a rather puritan lifestyle and a love for chess.
      Yes, he was the product of his time, yes, he called in the Russians, etc., I’m completely aware of this, and more.

      Something for sure, as opposed to Mr.Orban, Kádár put the economical burden on the state in order to make life easier to the common people, while Mr.Orban make life of the common people much harder while pursuing a pipe dream of personal greatness, whatever the price is to you.

      So, the difference is between the little turd with cult of personality syndrome (storhetsvansinne för din skull) and a honest but ideologically wrong politician.

      We just couldn’t ever get it right.

      Long live the Hungarian Monocracy!

      • Paul

        Long live the Hungarian Monocracy!

        VO:”let us hope that God will help us and we will not have to invent a new type of political system instead of democracy that would need to be introduced for the sake of economic survival.”
        VO is weird and scary!

        • Paul

          And…with a mind like his (VO)…the worst is yet to come.

        • spectator

          VO is weird and scary!

          - Indeed.
          I’ve got that bad feeling, that instead to go and “charge his batteries” he’s using some chemical substances – medication of some kind.
          Quite obviously the wrong one, he has outdone himself in alarmingly high number of occasion recently.

          Another option is that somebody secretly administered some “truth-serum” in his system, and he finally speaks for his own self.

          Weird and scary, as you said.
          Even more frightening that quite a number of the population fell for this lunacy.

          I hope, you have bought a return ticket ;-)

  • Leto. مؤدّب

    “A national French levy of 0.2pc to be paid on all share purchases came into effect”

    -http://www.egovmonitor.com/node/53032

    The second country in Europe. :) (After Hungary.) The tax level is twice as much as ours though.

    • Pete H.

      No, not after Hungary. This tax has a much narrower target then Hungary’s, it is only on share purchases, not on all bank transactions. The goal is also different, to steady the financial markets by discouraging speculation.

      Also the issue with Hungary’s tax is that it negatively impacts the independence of the national bank.

      So, France’s tax is a much more reasoned and cautious approach to a FTT.

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