July 30th, 2012

Analysts, opposition say voter registration plan to favor right wing

Amidst the current political power relations, the introduction of prior registration to vote in the general elections would favour the right wing, which has more committed supporters, analysts polled by MTI said on Friday.

Prime Minister Viktor Orban told public Kossuth Radio on Friday that parliament would vote on a proposal in September to introduce compulsory voter registration prior to elections.

“Anyone wishing to participate at the general elections would be required to register,” he said.

It is still a matter of heated debates if registered voters would be obliged to participate in the elections, Orban said.

Senior analyst Tamas Lanczi of Szazadveg Foundation noted that voter registration was a long-established practice in the US and Britain and there were precedents for mandatory voting, too, but combining the two would be an unorthodox step.

The new system would benefit the right wing as at present the ruling Fidesz and the radical nationalist Jobbik party are backed by a greater number of committed voters than the left, Lanczi said.

Think tank Political Capital said that Fidesz would seek to improve its chances by keeping away politically inactive voters with unstable party preference from the elections.

The introduction of voter registration would go against the general trend in democratic nations which strive to require the least possible efforts from voters as they are aware the high voter turnout in the elections is the best factor that can legitimise a government, Political Capital said.

Opposition parties slam plan

Hungary’s main opposition Socialist party objects to the Fidesz proposal to require prior registration to vote at the general elections, a party lawmaker told MTI on Friday.

Zsolt Molnar said with the move Fidesz was aiming to limit the range of participating voters and ultimately to bring an end to democracy.

Molnar said the Fidesz government had been gradually dismantling the Republic of Hungary over the past two years. He criticised the government for “changing democratic institutions to their own advantage and without consulting anyone”.

The majority of Hungarians are systematically excluded from shaping their future and plans to introduce voter registration is one in a series of such moves, Molnar said. He added that the Socialists call on the government to gauge opinion on the proposal instead of just announcing it through the media.

The radical nationalist Jobbik party said in a statement that instead of introducing voter registration, voting should be limited by a schooling requirement in order to prevent vote-buying among the impoverished, illiterate population. Jobbik has proposed earlier that only people with a primary-level education should be allowed to vote.

Gergely Karacsony, deputy parliamentary group leader of the small opposition LMP party, said the voter registration system was unacceptable for democrats. He said furthermore that its introduction “rested on lies”, for instance that it was in the interests of voters outside Hungary that the system should be introduced.

The co-ruling Christian Democrats said, however, that voter registration was a known practice in several countries and it was not detrimental to democracy, on the contrary, it heightens its gravity and dignity.

MTI (Magyar Távirati Iroda) is the Hungarian news agency.
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  • Viking

    The introduction of voter registration would go against the general trend in democratic nations which strive to require the least possible efforts from voters as they are aware the high voter turnout in the elections is the best factor that can legitimise a government

    Hear, Hear!

  • Leto. مؤدّب

    Political Capital is a postcommie think tank. They haven’t noticed yet that both Britain and the US go against the general trend in democratic nations. :D :D

    • Neverland

      The US is one of the least democratic nations in the world, despite what they think and would like the rest of us to think. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/12/felon-voting-laws-disenfranchise-sentencing-project_n_1665860.html

      • justasking

        @Neverland,

        ‘The US is one of the least democratic nations in the world’

        I should hope so…considering that they’re a Republic and not a Democracy.

    • Pete H.

      1) If Leto had actually read the analyses instead of bleating “postcommie” he would have noticed that they state that Britain and the US have voter registration systems.

      Hungary has a population registry system that acts as a mechanism to prevent voter fraud. The US has no such system.

      Why does Hungary need both a population registry system and a voter registration system? Isn’t this rather commie to create even more centralization and control?

      2) Leto has no cogent argument so he yells postcommie. You can read what Political Capital is about for yourself at:

      -http://www.riskandforecast.com/page/about-us_81.html

      The director of Political Capital, Péter Krekó, is a professors at ELTE. The same place OV got his masters degree. By association OV most therefore be a post-commie too.

      Péter Krekó, has only been out of high school for 14 years. Unlike, OV, he is too young to be defined as a post-commie.

      Reading several of Political Capital’s posts, they seem pretty middle of the road to me.

      Here’s a rather objective article written about MSZP power slip last year. Hardly a partisan piece of analysis. -http://www.budapesttimes.hu/2011/06/24/political-capital-analysis-gyurcsanys-last-grab-for-control/

      • Leto. مؤدّب

        Political Capital was founded by László Seres, once a proudly Zionist journalist and a radical SZDSZ-lackey (before 2006 because then he turned into a “neocon”).
        The owner company Capital Group belongs to Krisztián Szabados, an ex-PR manager of SZDSZ és András Arató, an owner of MSZP-radio Klubrádió.

        I don’t feel like digging more, it’s just too easy. The point is that Political Capital is an integral part of the postcommie networks.

        • Pete H.

          You are too weak minded to actually deal with the points that they make and simply make some point about some people that are not even part of the working team.

          Typical Leto smear lacking substance.

          From your comment at July 30, 2012 at 10:56 am, it is clear you did not even bother to read the analyses. So all you can do is try and dismiss based on associations.

  • Bowen

    Are Fidesz still considering allowing people to vote in 2014?

    Wow! And people say they are undemocratic!

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      No, those are postcommie bastards, like yourself, not people.

      • Bowen

        Good plan, Leto. Fidesz should define who ‘people’ are (i.e. anyone who is not a postcommie bastard*). And then only allow ‘people’ to vote in elections. Excellent idea. Then, when it’s discovered that Fidesz always gets 100% of the vote in elections, we can scrap elections as part of a cost-cutting exercise, and because we don’t want to disturb people’s busy time by making them go to polling stations. This will guarantee that Orban Viktor remains in power all his life, through entirely democratic means.

        *postcommie bastard = someone who doesn’t agree with Fidesz’s current policies.

        • Leto. مؤدّب

          No, a postcommie bastard is someone like you and this certainly has nothing to do with “agreeing with Fidesz’s current policies.”

          BTW, 35-40% of the votes will do nicely for Fidesz, that already results in a strong and stable majority. Unless you postcommie bastards enter a coalition with Jobbik. :D

      • Viking

        Bowen says:
        July 30, 2012 at 11:04 am

        Are Fidesz still considering allowing people to vote in 2014?
        ===
        Leto. مؤدّب says:
        July 30, 2012 at 11:07 am

        No, those are postcommie bastards, like yourself, not people

        Who could not state it better, that Fidesz “are postcommie bastards”

        ‘leto’ has finally woke-up?

  • Fidesz Watcher

    There is something which I do not understand. Weeks before previous elections we have all received cards in the mail telling us where we can vote. Then, when we arrive to vote, our names are checked off a list after our ID cards have been presented.

    There is therefore already a register of voters, so how is this different?

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      The current Hungarian system is “passive voter registration”, that is it’s the state which compiles the voters’ lists and the voters do not need to do anything prior to the elections (except complain if they don’t get their card for some reason).

      The proposal is about implementing “active voter registration”, that is it would be the voter who would need to register themselves, by filling out a form, in order to be able to vote. This is how voter registration works in the UK or in the US.

      • Pete H.

        The reason the US has voter registration implemented by most states is that it has no centralized system of population registration. Hungary does and therefore has no need for a voter registration system to prevent fraud.

        Fidesz Watcher is absolutely correct in questioning the need for a separate voter registration system in Hungary.

        • Leto. مؤدّب

          Hungary has a need for a voter registration system in order to reduce the number of those voters at the ballot boxes whom your postcommie bastard conies have been buying for peanuts (er.. actually for dry pasta with an expired best date or for fake vouchers of 19000 HUF), those who have no idea what they vote about, who are practically illiterate, and they just cast a random vote and those whom your rotten postcommie kind regularly incite, for example, against ethnic Hungarians in the annexed territories.
          This is an excellent method for filtering out this harmful scum.
          Those who cannot fill out a simple form don’t deserve to vote. Those who won’t go to the trouble of filling out a simple form and posting it shouldn’t vote.

          • zeb

            While I don’t usually agree with Leto, I do agree with the last paragraph here. Democracy requires active participation and if you don’t know what the issues are you should jolly well get involved and learn about them. The reason why this will favour the right wing is that all the socialist neni-s and bacsi-s always expected everything to be done for them by the state and probably still do. As I said democracy favours active participation, so if you want to vote against the government, get active. It’s a relatively simple concept.

          • Viking

            Leto. مؤدّب says:
            July 30, 2012 at 4:51 pm

            Those who cannot fill out a simple form don’t deserve to vote. Those who won’t go to the trouble of filling out a simple form and posting it shouldn’t vote

            * Those who does not pay enough taxes: “shouldn’t vote”

            * Those who cannot take themselves to the election both themselves, even less to that office open for ‘active voter registration’ (open in the Big City only on office hours between 10:30 and ‘half-an-hour after ten’): “shouldn’t vote”

            * Those who cannot be assumed voting after thoughtful consideration (according to ‘leto’ and His Supreme Leader): “shouldn’t vote”

            * Those who have other Gods than The Supreme Leader: “shouldn’t vote”

            I am just surprised that ‘leto’ and His Supreme Leader have not yet suggested that women should be subjected to a special Intelligence Test as part of this ‘active voter registration’, then we all know how easy manipulated women are to superficial argumentations and foreign influence and not tilted towards ‘real facts’, like how many potatoes The Supreme Leader has produced last year

            Clearly ‘leto’ and His Supreme Leader is on the Right Path when qualifying the voters who should elect them next time

  • Bowen

    @ Leto: “This is how voter registration works in the UK or in the US.”

    No it is not. In many US states now, you can register on election day itself. In the UK, it’s actually mandatory to be on the electoral roll, otherwise you face a fine.

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      In both countries you have to make an effort to be eligible for voting.

      • Bowen

        Well, yeah, you have to turn up.

        Admit it. Fidesz-KNDP just want to consolidate their power base by eliminating the increasingly large bloc of ‘undecided voters’ .

        • Leto. مؤدّب

          Besides turning up you also have to fill in a form and post it in both countries. This is what is going to happen in Hungary as well.

          • Viking

            Leto. مؤدّب says:
            July 30, 2012 at 7:10 pm

            fill in a form and post it in both countries

            What will be the feedback on that operation?
            Then is a thing that will involve several millions of Hungarian citizens, there will be a certain % that will fail
            It will be divine justice when ‘leto’s’ ‘active voter registration’ “gets lost in the mail”…

  • Magyar

    Jobbik votes are by far the most active and passionate about it, this is only good for the right wing, and bad for MSZP.

    The MSZP voterbase consists of gypsies, liberals and other dumb people, I can see why MSZP is afraid of this LOL

    Why don’t we just get rid of the left completely, and only have various right wing parties?

  • Paul

    Why don’t we just get rid of the left completely, and only have various right wing parties?

    A new level of stupidity….how low can you go?

    • Magyar

      Why not? We could have various parties, I am thinking:

      Fidesz, Jobbik, Nyilas, HNSPP and others

      Election time will be so fun to watch, especially in foreign media :D

  • Magyar

    However, I still agree with Jobbik, that at least basic education should be required in order to vote.
    Or in other words, ban gypsies from voting.

    But I am sure that gypsy lover Leto who is so against “racism” will disprove of this :D

    • Paul

      @ Magyar
      “that at least basic education should be required in order to vote” …….disprove??? disapprove you mean….you do not meet the requirements’…sorrieeee.

      • Magyar

        Disapprove , so I made a little typo, English is my 5th language you idiot, how many do you know?

        And “sorrieeee”? I think you will find that “sorrieeee” is not a word, I think you mean “sorry”, see you can’t even speak your only language correctly haha :)

        By the way, in Hungary we speak Hungarian, and English does not count as basic education there, but you are probably an idiot American (or Brit) who thinks Europe is “a country” and we all “speak American” there. :D :D

  • Viking

    Regardless what zou think of Political Capital, the stats are clear:
    * Every election with the HIGHEST turn-out from the voters has benefited MSZP

    That is the simple Hungarian fact and one can really see that Fidesz really understand that the main reason for their win 2010 was the low popularity of MSZP and their core-voters to stay at home

    Anything that makes higher voter participation is then most likely bad for Fidesz, so better to be pro-active and make it as hard as possible for voters to vote
    Sounds a bit like sour grapes, though and not trusting their own politics, just their power-grip

    • Magyar

      MSZP voters should be blacklisted from voting.
      And since Hungary is a shining beacon of democracy, this might (hopefully) happen :)

  • Pete H.

    Yeah I am a post-commie who incites against ethnic Hungarians – you are really an idiot. You think that by simply associating me with something false , that you discredit what I write. Leto the commenter who just make up BS.

    Democracy is not about narrowing the electorate to who you think is worthy to vote. The only legitimate reason for voter registration is to prevent fraud. Everything you listed is about narrowing those eligible to those who favor your party.

    You are a profoundly anti-democratic thinker, which puts you in the commie column more so than any of those you regularly blurt postcommie at.

    So how did Fidesz get elected? By simply saying we are not MSZP. They did not clearly stating what they were going to do after the elections. And some of them even went as far as to say it would not be proper to state what their agenda was until after they were elected.

    Now if I voted for a party that didn’t clearly outline what they were going to do after the election that would make me one of your random voters who should not be qualified to vote.

    So by your definition lets purge all Fidesz voters from the voter rolls.

    Spend some time reading about the Hungarian economy and what Fidesz has done to it and all you can conclude is that anybody that would vote for them again is an illiterate who knows not what they are voting for. Letonian philosophy demands that we purge them all.

    • Pete H.

      Above comment directed at Leto. مؤدّب says:
      July 30, 2012 at 4:51 pm.

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      ” I am a post-commie who incites against ethnic Hungarians”

      No doubt MSZP-SZDSZ did exactly that. And, no matter how much you deny it, you’re pushing their cart.

      (Help! Olga?? What’s the idiomatic English for “a szekerét tolni”, that is “tirelessly supporting some cause or organization, possibly covertly or in an opportunistic way”)

      • Pete H.

        You are a simple-minded idiot.

        What you are essentially saying is that if do not want to support MSZP then I can not criticize Fidesz. That I should just shut my mouth.

        I criticize the party I voted for in the last election. I criticize my president. The former does not mean I am supporting the opposition party. And the later does not mean I am a traitor to my country.

        What you display is a an credibly primitive (communistic, facistic, authoritarian) view of political discourse and participation.

        You are a real tool and there is no doubt that you mindlessly push Fidesz’s cart regardless of the facts on the ground.

        Go ahead keep pin trying to create a cartoon image of me as a post-commie, a MSZP supporter, a hater of ethnic minorities. Because that is all you have. Baseless pathetic smears.

      • Cnut

        a szekerét tolni: to push the barrow of ….

        Example sentences: Leto is always pushing the Fidesz barrow.

        Leto is always pushing his orange socialism barrow.

        Leto is always pushing the Fidesz barrow, even though the only thing in it is warm, steamy, rank, manure straight from the backsides of Orbán and Matolcsy.

  • Viking

    Leto. مؤدّب says:
    July 30, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    ” I am a post-commie who incites against ethnic Hungarians”

    No doubt MSZP-SZDSZ did exactly that

    Any examples on that?

  • Lisa

    The crazy thing about Hungary is that the biggest criminals write the rules now and that makes their crimes legal. Democracy? Ethical politics? Not in Hungary!

  • én

    Will anyone have the courage to put an end to Leto’s misery? he is a shame to Hungary!!! Poor Guy, if anyone lives in his neighborhood, please call a doctor and do something!

  • olga

    @ Leto

    Sorry I can’t help you with the idiom because I don’t think there is an equivalent idiom in English but it sounds like “individuals with ulterior motives who push a particular agenda ”

    No sure why you are getting all this flack – IMHO supporting FIDESZ is not a sin, supporting JOBBIK is.

    There seem to be two groups of people on this website:

    People who hate FIDESZ, think of JOBBIK as the lunatic Neo Nazi fringe yet never name viable alternative political parties within Hungary

    People who hate FIDESZ and push the JOBBIK agenda

    I keep thinking that as long as JOBBIK hates FIDESZ, VO’s party has redeeming qualities

  • Anonymous

    @olga
    “I keep thinking that as long as JOBBIK hates FIDESZ, VO’s party has redeeming qualities”.

    Obviously you are unaware of what’s going on in Hungary.
    Orban and his gang are pure evil. Jobbik could use some trimming (cut down on the religious bs., anti-drug nonsense and paying too much attention to turning back history, etc.) but they have some very reasonable ideas on how to run this country.
    Of course none of that will ever get mentioned in the Orbanist media. You probably don’t have access to Hungarian TV, so you cannot watch the infinite, useless boredom of Parliament sessions. FIDESZ comes up with yet another idiotic law, FIDESZ majority automatically approves, the rest is just trying to maintain a false sense of “democracy” by allowing the opposition to state their opinion, then ignore it.
    At least Jobbik members seem to be more intelligent than the majority. They are capable of public speaking, while others have trouble reading their papers.
    What you get from the media about Jobbik only enforces your prejudice, you’ll never hear of the useful ideas, ignored by the media.
    Meanwhile the Orban government is abusing its majority, trying to stay in power by creating insane laws, such as voting rights to people who don’t even live in the country, voter registration and some other tricks.
    It’s a shame that no parties left to vote for, and we have to take the risk of another 4 years of Orbanism.
    The same all over: corruption, lying to the public, making promises they cannot or don’t intend to keep.

    Did you even think when you wrote: ” IMHO supporting FIDESZ is not a sin, supporting JOBBIK is.”

    People like you should not vote, but unfortunately many of them do, that’s why we ended up with a lousy one-party system, and its unfortunate consequences.
    The rich is getting richer, no one cares about the victims “democracy” and mafia capitalism left behind.

  • OLDESZ

    @olga
    “I keep thinking that as long as JOBBIK hates FIDESZ, VO’s party has redeeming qualities”.

    Obviously you are unaware of what’s going on in Hungary.
    Orban and his gang are pure evil. Jobbik could use some trimming (cut down on the religious bs., anti-drug nonsense and paying too much attention to turning back history, etc.) but they have some very reasonable ideas on how to run this country.
    Of course none of that will ever get mentioned in the Orbanist media. You probably don’t have access to Hungarian TV, so you cannot watch the infinite, useless boredom of Parliament sessions. FIDESZ comes up with yet another idiotic law, FIDESZ majority automatically approves, the rest is just trying to maintain a false sense of “democracy” by allowing the opposition to state their opinion, then ignore it.
    At least Jobbik members seem to be more intelligent than the majority. They are capable of public speaking, while others have trouble reading their papers.
    What you get from the media about Jobbik only enforces your prejudice, you’ll never hear of the useful ideas, ignored by the media.
    Meanwhile the Orban government is abusing its majority, trying to stay in power by creating insane laws, such as voting rights to people who don’t even live in the country, voter registration and some other tricks.
    It’s a shame that no parties left to vote for, and we have to take the risk of another 4 years of Orbanism.
    The same all over: corruption, lying to the public, making promises they cannot or don’t intend to keep.

    Did you even think when you wrote: ” IMHO supporting FIDESZ is not a sin, supporting JOBBIK is.”

    People like you should not vote, but unfortunately many of them do, that’s why we ended up with a lousy one-party system, and its unfortunate consequences.
    The rich is getting richer, no one cares about the victims “democracy” and mafia capitalism left behind.

  • Danny

    As has been pointed out on this boards many times, if one of the other parties were doing what Fidesz were doing (e.g. taking away pension funds, giving people in other countries the right to vote in Hungary, making people register before they can vote), Leto would be foaming at the mouth, complaining like hell. Of course he would.

    But, no, Leto ‘supports’ Fidesz (or is paid to support them on these boards), completely uncritically, no matter what they do. He acts basically as a party mouthpiece around here.

    Orban Viktor could pass a new law declaring that every Hungarian has to sacrifice their first child in his honour, and Leto would say it’s a pretty neat idea.

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      Pro primo, nobody took away your pension. Pro secundo, it’s the ethnic Hungarians living in the annexed territories who are given the right to vote in Hungary. This should have been done much earlier. Pro tercio, making people register before they can vote is a great idea because of the reasons I gave at July 30, 2012 at 4:51 pm

      • zeb

        Your pro secundo is bullshit. There should be no representation without taxation. Proxy voting will cause all sorts of problems. But of course the Dear Leader knows that many of the Hungarian diaspora are 56ers or other political refugees who will vote for Fidesz.

  • olga

    @ Oldesz

    re: “Obviously you are unaware of what’s going on in Hungary.”

    Your style of response was a complete shock; my worst nightmare for the Hungarian political scene would be to have \ normal sounding people \ like you supporting JOBBIK

    Please read the party faithfuls’ responses under the headline “ Jobbik asks Szegedi to step down following Euro MP’s disclosure of Jewish roots \ – they are much more representative of the party than you seem to be.

    Leto has now become J*ewish and a supporter of I*srael. and since I believe he speaks a few languages, let’s hope H*ebrew will not be too much of a challenge.

    About my being unaware of what’s going on in Hungary – depends who you are comparing me to but if it is to people who have an in-depth understanding of Hungarian politics, your assessment would be correct . I devour every North American main-stream media info on Hungary that comes to my attention and while I read a lot of criticism about Orban, I am yet to read he is a reprehensible lunatic neo-Nazi fascist ; those words are always reserved for JOBBIK so I assume that as Scarlet would say, \ I don’t give a damn\

    I did spend 12 days in Hungary a couple of month ago with JA and through her relatives and my friends we managed to get invited to many social events and I met at least 100 \real Hungarians\ and many of them did not speak English. They ranged from farmers living \ a videken\ to business people and University professors and they were all reluctant FIDESZ voters ; what they liked most about VO was that he \stood up for Hungary and its people\ but they also lamented the fact “there was no one else to vote for”

    I agree with you that people like me ought not have the right to vote – in my case, while having been born in BP and speaking Hungarian , I am still only as valuable to the country as any other tourist so trust me, I have no illusions. I am simply a cheerleader who loves the country , its people and is proud of her background – pretty normal for immigrants to feel this way about their homeland so I am not exactly unusual.

    Re: “ Jobbik could use some trimming (cut down on the religious bs., anti-drug nonsense and paying too much attention to turning back history, etc.) but they have some very reasonable ideas on how to run this country. “ That sounds like the old saying “if pigs had wings, they could fly”

  • spectator

    I just can’t stop wondering: is this registration applies to the “wrong side of the border” Hungarian citizens too, or it would be the “within the borders” discrimination?

    Anybody with some clue?

  • justasking

    I say make it a Law that those who are eligible to vote, have to vote, and be done with it.

    Don’t want to vote? You get to spend some time at an all-inclusive ‘resort’, compliments of the country that you happen to be living in.

    • Curious George

      Actually, that’s a very good idea. Several countries have this rule, including Australia, Argentina and Luxembourg (in the EU). I think it should be applied in Hungary, only to give the people a sense of responsibility & accountability by forcing them to vote, instead of being fatalistic through apathy, or lack of interest.
      A fine would suffice. Resorts are too expensive.

  • DoubleH63

    @olga

    Jesus, olga August 1st must have been a great day for the people who selling you coffee.
    My advice: definitely switch to decaf.
    You were babbling about Jobbik hate camps; hating posters with hating parents; Leto being J*wish; screeching in Yiddish [are you trying to tell us something?]; Erik will be in a Temple with Leto [how do you know Erik is not attending one already?]; then we read about some Scarlet, who does not give a damn [is she an abortionist feminazi?]; or maybe … just maybe you tried to quote from Hitlers’ favourite movie… Well, I suggest to watch it first (or again), Otherwise: ‘Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn.’

  • DoubleH63

    @justasking

    “I say make it a Law that those who are eligible to vote, have to vote, and be done with it. Don’t want to vote? You get to spend some time at an all-inclusive ‘resort’, compliments of the country that you happen to be living in.”

    Tell me, it’s too much high balls for you and not coffee.

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