August 1st, 2012

Activists turn to Strasbourg as Hungary gov’t dismisses European Court call to compensate man for red star fine

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Demonstrators detained by police for displaying red stars at the Attila József statue in Kossuth tér on Sunday are taking their case to the European Court of Human Rights.

“The police should have investigated the context in which the red stars were displayed,” according to Green Left spokesman Zsolt Nyári.

The group was not carrying portraits of Josef Stalin or Mátyás Rákosi, but rather demanded jobs, bread and shelter, he said.

“The red star is also a symbol of the Hungarian Workers Party 2006,” Nyári underlined.

Justice Minister Tibor Navracsics said earlier this year that the government will not respect the European Court ruling that struck down Hungary’s ban on the red star as a symbol of tyranny.

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  • Paul

    “Justice Minister Tibor Navracsics said earlier this year that the government will not respect the European Court ruling”

    “Hungary asks for special deal from EU to avoid cut in cohesion funds.”

    Respect is a two ways street.The arrogance of this government is incredible.

  • Viking

    Myself put up a number or red 5-pointed stars the other week in Balaton
    Got the marketing material from Heineken…
    When will I be arrested?

  • Leto. مؤدّب

    There are only two possibilities. Either the Arrow Cross, swastika, etc, will be legalized along with the red star or the red star will remain banned. And Hungary must continue to refuse to comply to this European Court ruling by all means.

    • Anonymous

      Then the EU will withhold the Hungarian subsidies.

      • Leto. مؤدّب

        :D :D

        So which option do you want? The first one or the second one?

        • Magyar

          How about the first one, but keep the red start banned?

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            That’s not an option.

        • Paul

          @ Leto
          It is not up to you or me….the court decides…the rule of law. That is why we have courts. You/the government put yourself above the law here. If Hungary does not comply just because the government doesn’t like the outcome….why do we have courts than anyway?

          • Magyar

            Red star = illegal.
            Hammer and Sickle = illegal.

            People who display those symbols = fined or put in prisons. Or maybe deported to Gulags, since thats what Communists like.

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            You won’t say that the European Court could decide that the symbols of Communism cannot be treated on an equal footing with the symbols of Fascism and Nazism, will you?
            If that is so indeed then screw your “Europe”, we don’t need that.

  • Neverland

    How about the Yellow star, Leto? That one would be still ok, right?

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      Yes, definitely. Provided it’s you who wears it.

  • Paul

    @ Magyar
    The European Court of Justice is the highest court in the European Union in matters of European Union law. As a part of the Court of Justice of the European Union institution it is tasked with interpreting EU law and ensuring its equal application across all EU member states.

    • Magyar

      The Szent Korona is the highest power in Hungary.

      • Paul

        @ Magyar

        Not if Hungary is still a member of the EU. After that will not be the case anymore…who cares.

      • Paul

        “Justice Minister Tibor Navracsics said earlier this year that the government will not respect the European Court”…a justice Minister saying something completely…ILLEGAL.

        • Magyar

          Only in Hungary.

        • Magyar

          You are forgetting one little fact though, the red star and hammer and sickle is banned in other EU countries:

          Latvia
          Lithuania
          Poland
          Hungary

          The foreign ministers of Lithuania, Latvia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania and the Czech Republic called for an EU-wide ban on communist symbols in 2010, urging the EU “to criminalize the approval, denial or belittling of communist crimes” and stating that “the denial of such crimes should be treated the same way as the denial of the Holocaust and must be banned by law”

          If you or the EU doesnt like it, well you can go fck yourselves, because its going to stay that way.

          • Paul

            @ Magyar

            Red star, Arrow Cross, Swastika…personally I couldn’t care less.
            I dislike all of these, but that is not the point.
            I am for freedom of speech no matter what. Freedom of expression no matter what. Equal access of all parties…so including Jobbik, to all the media, including state media.

            Would be great to have a national TV interview, prime time, with Double for example. People will be folding double of laughing. Jobbik will be reduced to half it’s size in one evening.

            The point, however,is the rule of law. Hungary is still part of the EU. Hungary signed down treaties, and if the attitude is….that this Government will not respect the European Court any longer we are (in Viktor Orban’s words) no longer paddling in the same boat, and Viktor will have to swim, it will backfire very, very much.

          • justasking

            @Paul,

            ‘The point, however,is the rule of law. Hungary is still part of the EU. Hungary signed down treaties’

            How positively child like you are…it must be wonderful, to have Peter Pan living in your head….

            I’d be curious, if you knew how many countries say ‘fütyülök rád’ (ask your wife what that means) when it comes to countries following your precious ‘rule of law’?

            Sadly, it’s not by those countries who SHOULD be setting a supposed ‘moral’ example.

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      Hungary should not respect such a ruling, no matter what. If we are still forced to legalize the red star then the symbols of Fascism and Nazism will be legalized, too.

      • Magyar

        I remember when certain MSZP members wanted to ban the Árpád stripes. LOL

        And why the fck is the coat of arms missing on our flag?
        I want this back
        -http://www.flags.net/images/largeflags/HUNG0002.GIF

  • DoubleH63

    @Leto

    “If we are still forced to legalize the red star then the symbols of Fascism and Nazism will be legalized, too.”

    Hahaha! Leto seems to be in his Zsidesz la-la land again.
    Somehow he forgot the statements Orbán [forced] to make pretty much daily, his letter to the kaftánosok in Kaposvár, Áder visiting the scared Rabbi, not to even mention his visit to the Wailing Wall, dining with the J8w real estate agent.
    God, the sound of tongue slapping between those cheeks is just deafening.
    But if our revolutionary Parliament allows the fascio to be proudly displayed in Hungary again, the Duce will be smiling down (or up – depends where you think he is) on them.

    • Magyar

      This is whats going to happen.
      Orbán will throw a big tantrum, he will talk about how Hungary will not be a colony, how the Red Star will remain banned, how the EU will not suppress Hungary.
      He will then be the hero of the nation.
      A week Later, the Red Star and the Hammer&Sickle will be made legal.
      The Árpádsáv and Hungarian coat of arms will be banned.
      The Szent Korona will then be confiscated and locked up underground in Brussels by the Human Rights department (because the Szent Korona is a symbol of hatred, oppression, the Holocaust, Global Warming, genocide to Gypsies, Slovaks, Vlachs, Serbs, J@ws and others, and this can not be tolerated in the 21st century!)

  • Magyar

    This is whats going to happen.

    Orbán will throw a big tantrum, he will talk about how Hungary will not be a colony, how the Red Star will remain banned, how the EU will not suppress Hungary.
    He will then be the hero of the nation.

    A week Later, the Red Star and the Hammer&Sickle will be made legal.
    The Árpádsáv and Hungarian coat of arms will be banned.

    The Szent Korona will then be confiscated and locked up underground in Brussels by the Human Rights department (because the Szent Korona is a symbol of hatred, oppression, the Holocaust, Global Warming, genocide to Gypsies, Slovaks, Vlachs, Serbs, Jews and others, and this can not be tolerated in the 21st century!)

  • Viking

    Leto. مؤدّب says:
    August 2, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    You won’t say that the European Court could decide that the symbols of Communism cannot be treated on an equal footing with the symbols of Fascism and Nazism, will you?
    —

    I would never think that any European Court would even consider such a question, then it is irrelevant to the suffering of the victims of red/white/black terror in Europe
    It is a childish question that has nothing to do with reality

    Reality is that some Nazi-symbols live on in some parts of the world in their original meaning, but not in Europe

    Some symbol of fascism still live on in their original meaning (fasces, etc) and would never be banned in Europe

    The 5-pointed Red Star still lives on in many parts of the world, even in Europe, as a symbol for Freedom, like it or not. Or just a symbol for Heineken Beer…
    So in that sense it is more on level with the fasces symbol, it has in many parts of Europe in some sense avoided the stigma that Indian and Chinese symbol a certain Mr A Hilter took affection to

  • Paul

    @ Just manipulating

    \I’d be curious, if you knew how many countries say ‘fütyülök rád’ (ask your wife what that means)\…of course not you patronizing never mind. By the way, Stay away from my family.

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      “By the way, Stay away from my family.”

      Yes, I agree.

      @justasking:
      Please no mentioning anything about others’ family on this site. Once I made a sarcastic remark about the unwanted foreign alcoholic moron (wolfi) who kept boasting of his Hungarian wife. I still regret it.

      • justasking

        @The Stalinist Bigot and Leto,

        ‘By the way, Stay away from my family’

        Do you have a problem understanding written English you racist?

        Now seriously ask yourself….Why would I possibly want to go after any member of your family, when you keep me plenty busy, focused on attacking you?

        You’re like the gift that keeps giving…and I NEVER stare a gift horse in the mouth…NEVER!

        ———

        ‘like I would be a racist….which is a deep lie’

        I bet those posters ‘get real’ and ‘Magyar’ don’t believe their racist either.

        ———–
        @Leto,

        ‘Please no mentioning anything about others’ family on this site. Once I made a sarcastic remark about…’

        Uh yeah, and that would be the difference between our 2 posts. YOU made a sarcastic remark ABOUT Wolfi’s wife…I didn’t do that.

        I SUGGESTED that this Stalinist, approach his wife for an EXPLANATION on a saying I wrote in Hungarian, knowing she spoke the language and he didn’t.

        Big…big…difference.

        ——

        • Leto. مؤدّب

          @justasking:

          Okay, it’s a difference indeed. (I wrote to that idiot something like she must have been out of her mind to marry such a wacko.) I still think it’s best not to refer to family members at all on this site. Just my 2 Ft.

          • Curious George

            @Leto – Who’s stopping you from apologizing? I remember reading that.

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            To whom? As far as I know the wife of the unwelcome alcoholic foreign idiot doesn’t post on this site.

          • justasking

            @Leto,

            ‘To whom? As far as I know the wife of the unwelcome alcoholic foreign idiot doesn’t post on this site’

            No, but her husband still does.

          • …justasking

            @Leto,

            ‘To whom? As far as I know the wife of the unwelcome alcoholic foreign idiot doesn’t post on this site’

            No, but her husband still does.

        • Paul

          @ JA
          The Stalinist Bigot?…Racist?….you better stop it….you look pathetic, it is embarrassing. For you that is.

          • …justasking

            @The Stalinist Bigot,

            ‘you better stop it….you look pathetic, it is embarrassing. For you that is’

            No…no…no, embarrassment on my part, my…little…gift…that keeps giving!

            Just like McDonald’s claims…’I'm Lovin’ it’! Wah Who!!!

  • olga

    Hi Paul

    Is “just manipulating” = justasking ?

    She speaks fluent Hungarian but her husband is Canadian so her two little kids speak better Hungarian than he does.

    re: “By the way, Stay away from my family.” ???

    I am not sure if you are Hungarian or not and please don’t think I am attacking your family, but it is a Scientific fact that every male in the universe has to be pitied if he did not have the good fortune to be married to a Hungarian woman. Even Viking figured that one out :) )

  • Paul

    @ Olga

    Hi Olga,
    I am Dutch….my wife is Hungarian….and….well, I am not boasting, Leto would not allow it for good reason. Smile. We are very happy though!

    • Magyar

      Why do you feel the need to steal our women?
      Dont you have enough in the Netherlands?

      I assume that your children regard themselves as Dutch and barely speak Hungarian? Shame on you, you SOB.
      You have done your part of the genocide against the Hungarian nation.

      • Leto. مؤدّب

        “You have done your part of the genocide against the Hungarian nation.”

        :D :D

        Good parody.. of whom? ‘Get real’, the Rumanian?

      • Paul

        @ Magyar
        You have done your part of the genocide against the Hungarian nation.
        Yep…blush…that was me…all by myself…..so nasty of me. I will never do it again. I promise.
        Related to JA maybe

        • …justasking

          @Paul,

          ‘Related to JA maybe’

          Sad to say; but..not possible.

          You see, even though I do have some extreme right winged and extreme left winged family members (I know, family reunions are a hoot!) living in Hungary…none of them can write in English period; let alone as good as this poster named Magyar.

          Hey, maybe next time, your attempt to ‘slam’ will hold some water.

          Just keep trying, practising….I ain’t goin nowhere.

      • Viking

        Magyar says:
        August 5, 2012 at 11:41 pm

        Why do you feel the need to steal our women?
        —

        Because with guys like you, the Hungarian women are easy push-overs…

        • …justasking

          @Viking,

          ‘Because with guys like you, the Hungarian women are easy push-overs…’

          Shit…I even felt that one! :D

  • Paul

    @ Olga
    Is “just manipulating” = justasking ? Fair question.
    As long as JA makes such stupid comments like I would be a racist….which is a deep lie…I prefer to call JA Just Manipulating…sorry for you…I mean it, I know you like her.

  • olga

    @ Paul

    On another note – do you guys not have your very own home grown nut cases like JOBBIK?

    I am not going to google Dutch politics (One addiction to a certain European political website is enough) but I know I read about some crackpot called Wilders who was charged with hate crime but he was not convicted.

    Point is that you ought not be judged by Dutch crackpots and Hungarians should be exempt from being judged by their own “crosses to bear”

    BTW, JA is not a racist, never has been and I actually saw her burst into tears when she heard a first hand very sad story about a 4 year old being rejected because of his race ( We are both convinced we found the one and only 1/2 J*ewish 1/2 Roma in BP ) You can imagine what those other 4 year old kids heard at home,keeping in mind that the worst obnoxious racists were once cute 4 year old children themselves.

    • Magyar

      Dear Olga,

      Your irrational hatred of Jobbik only shows how small minded you are how naive you are and how ignorant you are about the affairs in Hungary (and the affairs of Jobbik).
      Please continue to believe MSZP propaganda.
      And please continue to live in your naive bubble.

      You seem like a nice lady and I hope it doesn’t hurt too much when that bubble pops,

      Best Wishes,
      Magyar

    • …justasking

      @Olga,

      ‘I actually saw her burst into tears when she heard a first hand very sad story about a 4 year old being rejected because of his race’

      Hell, that was nothing…I get doin the ‘ugly cry’ watching Hallmark commercials! :D

  • olga

    @ Paul

    Sorry , I was not clear

    The 4 year old we hear about gave out either invitations or Valentine card to all his classmates and some of them returned them because they were from a “gypsy” . 4 Year old children don’t act like that on their own.- if you want to have your kids grow up with “hate” you gotta start them early

    • Magyar

      Thats because 4 year olds havent been exposed to much liberal brainwashing, thats why they gave back the card.
      Its good though, the sooner gypsies feel unwelcome the sooner they will leave.

      I myself have fond memories of dealing with gypsies in school. Good times :-)

  • DoubleH63

    @olga “Wilders who was charged with hate crime but he was not convicted.”

    Of course not – he is a cionista fag.

    • Magyar

      Wilders came up with his ideas on a kibbutz in Israel.
      I am sure he is Paul’s, Leto’s kind of guy.

      • Leto. مؤدّب

        Do you mean I’m a Zionist or what? :D :D :D

        • Magyar

          Exactly.

          And FYI, its nothing to be proud of Leto.

          Now now, don’t you have some Protocols of the Elders of Zsidesz to write for Mr Orbán?

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            Sure, I’m typing it right now with my kipa on my head. :) Oh, damn, I forgot something… where’s that kitchen knife to make up for it? :cool:

          • Magyar

            You know who else wears a kipa?

            -http://blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/H.unga4.jpg

  • DoubleH63

    @Leto

    If I were you, I would not put so many smiley faces up looking at the record of your government regarding the Anti-Hungarians.

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      But fortunately you’re not me.

  • Paul

    @ Just manipulating

    ‘like I would be a racist….which is a deep lie’
    I bet those posters ‘get real’ and ‘Magyar’ don’t believe their racist either.
    It would be like I would say…you are an alcoholic…and you are stealing. You would deny….and I would say…yeeeah…they all do. Keep on with your stupid attempts of character assassination. You will get it back though.

    • …justasking

      @Paul,

      ‘It would be like I would say…you are an alcoholic…and you are stealing. You would deny….and I would say…yeeeah…they all do’

      True; but, you seem to be missing one teensy weensy point…I arrived at my opinion of you, simply by reading some of your posts.
      ——–

      ‘Keep on with your stupid attempts of character assassination. You will get it back though’

      Oh…by…God, have I ever, over the years on this site! We all have! Go ahead, ask around. Pity, you didn’t see how George and I used to ‘go atter’ for proof. Trust me, it wasn’t pretty!

      But, unfortunately, this isn’t about me…it’s about you.

      You see, you’re the one who’s ‘getting it back’ and sadly, haven’t figured out the ‘why’ yet.

      It’s for every nasty, unfounded, arrogant, mean spirited comment/attack/slam, you have ever uttered against Hungary and Hungarians…on poli.hu.

      Nothing personal.

  • olga

    @ Magyar

    re: “Your irrational hatred of Jobbik only shows how small minded you are how naive you are and how ignorant you are about the affairs in Hungary (and the affairs of Jobbik). Please continue to believe MSZP propaganda.
    And please continue to live in your naive bubble.”

    Unfortunately my fear is very real and tangible – I don’t believe JOBBIK will ever come to power in Hungary but my fear has been realized many times ; JOBBIK gives Hungary a bad name in the Democratic world and you can never come up with any support for them in the main stream media which is what the vast majority of people listen to. Just like the vast majority of high school and University graduates in the Western world “buy into” documented history including the tragedy of Trianon for Hungary as well as the horrors of the H*itler and Stalin years.

    I know that the most obscene phrase in Double’s world is “the mainstream media” so I trust you share those views, despite the fact that Hungary has fought so long and hard to be a Democratic country and be part of the “Nyugati mainstream” but you want to turn the clock back.

    I do not support the MSZP although I am sure that whatever Gyurcsany’s agenda was when he was elected, I would have voted for had I been part of the electorate when he became PM. The Hungarian people did not vote for the Mafia so what they voted for and what they got are two different things and the reality seems to be that as long as Gyurcsany keeps his ugly face in politics, the Left seems to be dead in the water and FIDESZ will prevail. (The more people accuse Leto of being a “Z8ionist” and refer to “Zsidesz: the more I realize the escalating insanity of JOBBIK and the more I realize how anti-Hungarian they really are while actually believing they are patriotic.)

    I am sure the SIKH temple shooting makes headlines in Hungary – the perpetrator was a member of a neo-N*azi white supremacist group (surprise, surprise) and I heard a commentary that I found interesting because it’s so dead on.

    “Neo-Na*zis and white supremacists are made up of uneducated stupid people or educated delusional ones”

    • Magyar

      Again Olga, you show how Naive you truly are.
      Jobbik is pro Democracy, and pro law and order, and pro Hungary, that is all.

      You see Olga, when the police system in Hungary improves, the people that will suffer the most are gypsy criminals, who will no longer be able to go around mugging people whenever they want.
      Same goes for the liberal internationalists, they will no longer be able exploit the Hungarian people the way they do now.

      That is why these two groups get together, and try and put and end to Jobbik.

      You associating Jobbik with Neo-N*azis and white supremacists against shows how much of a delusional zombie you are, buying into cheap anti-Hungarian propaganda.

      If you think Jobbik is “Nazi”, then I wonder what you think of the Arrow Cross :D

      I will leave this with you
      -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXtYpUChZLM

      The only anti-Hungarians here are you, Leto, Get Real, Paul, Pete H, Viking and all of your friends :)

      And Olga, please read this :)
      http://www.jobbik.com/about_jobbik/3165.html

    • Magyar

      Again Olga, you show how Naive you truly are.
      Jobbik is pro Democracy, and pro law and order, and pro Hungary, that is all.

      You see Olga, when the police system in Hungary improves, the people that will suffer the most are gypsy criminals, who will no longer be able to go around mugging people whenever they want.
      Same goes for the liberal internationalists, they will no longer be able exploit the Hungarian people the way they do now.

      That is why these two groups get together, and try and put and end to Jobbik.

      You associating Jobbik with Neo-N*azis and white supremacists against shows how much of a delusional zombie you are, buying into cheap anti-Hungarian propaganda.

      If you think Jobbik is “Nazi”, then I wonder what you think of the Arrow Cross :D

      I will leave this with you
      -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXtYpUChZLM

      The only anti-Hungarians here are you, Leto, Get Real, Paul, Pete H, Viking and all of your friends

      And Olga, please read this
      -http://www.jobbik.com/about_jobbik/3165.html

  • olga

    @ Magyar

    re: “You associating Jobbik with Neo-N*azis and white supremacists against shows how much of a delusional zombie you are, buying into cheap anti-Hungarian propaganda.”

    Do you actually believe that ”

    1. the Western world conspires against Hungary to make the country look bad using JOBBIK as its tool? Please don’t give me links to ultra-right wing sources but I would be more than happy to read a positive article about JOBBIK coming from the “main stream media”

    2. Leto, and the rest of the “Anti-Hungarians” you mentioned have something in common?

    What do I think of the Arrow Cross? The same as I think about Communism under Stalin – I don’t think about them because I try not to dwell on the evil past that you cannot change and concentrate on the present and future. I also want to be proud of Hungary which I am and resent any one or any group of people that makes my country look like a throw back to the dark ages.

    People judge you (wrongly of course) by the country you come from. In my case I take advantage of it because everyone I know or met briefly who has visited Hungary has something positive to say about the amazing people, the beautiful country with special kudos to its architecture.

    I actually thank people and feel as if I had something to do with it and just thank my lucky stars that no one I know or met personally knows what JOBBIK is all about or at least they have the courtesy not to bring it up.

  • Magyar

    “Do you actually believe that:

    1. the Western world conspires against Hungary to make the country look bad using JOBBIK as its tool? Please don’t give me links to ultra-right wing sources but I would be more than happy to read a positive article about JOBBIK coming from the “main stream media””

    Did you seriously ask me this?
    This has to be the most ridiculous thing I have heard all month.

    In what way does Jobbik make Hungary look bad?
    And dont bother answering, since your extremely naive and backward thinking cannot see the reality.

    Keep living in you fairy Lalala bubble land.

    By the way Olga, I have some good news for you.
    Theres rumours about Jobbik splitting, and an even more right wing party will form and enter the political spectrum.
    Isn’t that just fantastic Olga?

  • olga

    @ Magyar

    That is good news because I always think of the bright side.

    Maybe JOBBIK will cleane itself of the “ultra right wing” followers and become what I first thought it was when I read about “Szebb Jovo” – a new exciting political party that will make every freedom loving Hungarian both in and out of the country proud and hopeful after what Gyurcsany did to his people. It took me 5 minutes to learn the truth by reading the very website you referenced for my reading pleasure :) )

    I am not quite sure what you meant by “Did you seriously ask me this? This has to be the most ridiculous thing I have heard all month.” Did you mean that whatever the main stream media has to say is ridiculous because if that’s what you meant, there is no point in arguing that the earth is not flat and Elvis is really dead.

    Try not to forget that Hungarian blood spilled in 1956 for wanting to be “like the West” ; now that Hungary attained that goal, you want to negate what the vast majority of the West stood for then and stands for now.

    Nosy question, obviously your choice if you want to answer: Did you learn English in or outside Hungary and if outside, was there any publication under the heading of “main stream” ? I’ll go and search for its opinion on JOBBIK later.

    • Magyar

      “Try not to forget that Hungarian blood spilled in 1956 for wanting to be “like the West” ; now that Hungary attained that goal, you want to negate what the vast majority of the West stood for then and stands for now.
      ”

      BULLSHIT.

      Hungary wanted to be a neutral country.
      They wanted to remain friends with the East and the West.
      They didn’t want to belong to the “Demokratic West” or the “communist east”.

      Thats why nobody from the west helped us.
      Except Franco’s Spain (fascists) wanted to help us, but they didnt have enough fuel to fly all the way to Hungary, and America forbade them from landing in Germany and refill for fuel there.

      Your ignorant statement is really offensive to the freedom fighters of 1956, and had you not been a lady my choice of language would have been very different!

      Its all to do with Freedom, we Hungarians want to decide our own destinity, even if it means bad for us.
      We never liked anybody (EU, Austria, Ottomans, USSR, etc etc) telling us what to do!

      • Magyar

        “now that Hungary attained that goal, you want to negate what the vast majority of the West stood for then and stands for now.”

        Immigration, liberalism, decadence, atheism, homosexuality, transexuality, peadophilia, zionism are some of the things the West stood for, and stands for now.

        With the help of MSZP and Fidesz, Hungary has managed to attain that “goal”.

        • Magyar

          I forgot to add ‘political correctness’.

      • …justasking

        @Magyar,

        ‘BULLSHIT. Hungary wanted to be a neutral country.
        They wanted to remain friends with the East and the West.
        They didn’t want to belong to the “Demokratic West” or the “communist east”’

        Yeah, well I call BULLSHIT on your BULLSHIT!!!!

        What fucking ‘neutral country’ did Hungary want to be? Neutral to what you shit?!

        When the lines were drawn in the sand, those Hungarians weren’t thinking of who’s ‘friends’ they wanted to be…they were thinking about the conditions they were living in and determined enough was enough.

        They spilled their blood for something we all take for granted today…our birthright. To choose, to think, to form our own opinions…and to voice them out loud.

        That’s what 56 was all about…nothing more, nothing less.
        ————-

        ‘Thats why nobody from the west helped us’

        That had all to do with how ‘important’ Hungary was to the World…nothing more nothing less.

        If Hungary had what the World wanted/needed/could not live without, ie: oil or gas, all hell would have broken loose believe you me.

        Because, they simply fought for something so basic as ‘freedom’ (no money in that), countries (who had sworn to ‘die’ over such a cause), threw the doors open to accept those immigrants.

        That was about as much as the ‘World’ was willing to do.
        ———

        ‘Your ignorant statement is really offensive to the freedom fighters of 1956, and had you not been a lady my choice of language would have been very different!’

        Whatever!
        ——–

        ‘We never liked anybody (EU, Austria, Ottomans, USSR, etc etc) telling us what to do!’

        Yeah, well…sometimes, you have to ‘pick shit with the chickens’ or ‘crawl in through the window, if a door ain’t available’ if thats what it means to survive and thrive.

        • Magyar

          You should listen to the radio broadkasts of Imre Nagy’s demands.

          • …justasking

            @Magyar,

            ‘You should listen to the radio broadkasts of Imre Nagy’s demands’

            When you’re in a vulnerable situation; you’re in no position to ‘demand’ anything.

            Besides, don’t go there with me about Nagy Imre….

  • olga

    @ Magyar

    We must be getting our info from different sources – nagy meglepetes, nem?

    re: \Thats why nobody from the west helped us.\ – Radio Free Europe let Hungary down and it’s a topic that has been discussed and debated on this website.

    I did a quick google search because I didn’t know the exact figures but I knew the West helped Hungary.

    I just copied the first source because I don’t have the time nor the inclination to argue about everything:

    \In November the call of the UN general meeting was followed by a worldwide campaign to support Hungarian refugees and help them settle down in the West. The United States headed this action and as early as 2nd November it offered $20 million in aid to Hungary. It also took generous care of Hungarians settling down on its own territory and offered support to other nations taking in refugees. A major part of the maintenance costs of Austrian refugee camps was also covered by the United States. The majority of Hungarian refugees – about 80,000 people – found new homes in the United States, while 22,000 settled down in England, 16,000 in the German Federal Republic, 14,000 in Switzerland and 13,000 in France. \ (Canada is not mentioned but that’s the US for you – to all you Yanks out there: I am kidding!!! Also bitter that you have Obama instead of us)

    Csaba Békés – János Rainer M.
    Associates of the 1956 Institute

    Of course all this could be huge lie and kuruc or whatever your Bible is may know better and have proof that Csaba Bekes is on I*srael’s payroll along with Leto the Z*ionist.

    I appreciate your not attacking me because I am a \Lady\ although I never think of myself as one; the word makes me think of white gloves and a hat but it does show you that whatever your opinion is, you need not go nuts. I would say the word \Bullshit\ manages to get the idea across that you disagree with what I wrote.

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