August 1st, 2012

Where exactly is this whole Hungarian “patriotism camp” thing going?

As he so often does, Prime Minister Viktor Orbán stole the show at last week’s Bálványos “open university” for ethnic Hungarians in Transylvania, with a not-so-subtle verbal intervention in Sunday’s referendum on the impeachment of Romanian president Traian Băsescu.

The resulting furor dominated international headlines about the event in Băile Tușnad/Tusnádfürdő, and certainly overshadowed one other event that might have been of interest to the global press.

Two days before Orbán’s bombshell, Fidesz parliamentary caucus leader Antal Rogán and Orbán’s international communications “czar” Ferenc Kumin made some waves by telling a seminar that Hungary’s image in the Western world had been unduly shaped by economic interests opposed to the government’s rough treatment of banks and corporations, and “ultra-liberal” journalists.

While it’s hard to dispute that foreign banks and multinationals doing business in Hungary are not feeling so charitable towards the current Hungarian government, I don’t think this is the reason “ultra-liberal” journalists may be on the warpath. After all, just look at the coverage of Iceland, which stiffed “international capital” in ways Orbán and Co. could only dream of.

Instead, I would say there are other reasons international journalists – who indeed, tend to be liberals – tend to trash Orbán’s Hungary. And the primary one is a reflexive liberal internationalist distaste to things like “summer camps” where right-wing nationalists get together and gripe about liberals.

Seriously. As someone who isn’t a full member of the cabal of ultra-liberal internationalist journalists, but who knows how it works, I can easily see an editor green-lighting a front page feature about a shadowy “training camp for Hungarian irredentist nationalists deep within Romanian territory.”

Not lurid enough for you? No problem! Because the week before Bálványos Hungary’s firebrand House Speaker László Kövér presided over the opening of a “patriotism camp” (Hazaszeretet Tábor) down in Zalaegerszeg, where 50 youths from local villages – and some ethnic Hungarian kids from neighboring Slovenia – will spend several weeks this summer.

“Always be proud of your Hungarianness, and never let others discourage you from it,” Kövér told the campers. “This is your gift and heritage from God, which you must nurture and enrich.”

Kövér, who was photographed with some uniformed camp officials toasting the camp’s opening with a shot of pálinka (fruit brandy), conceded that the camp’s name may raise a few eyebrows.

Since the Zalaegerszeg camp’s program mostly seems to consist of cultural heritage activities – workshops to learn traditional fishing and hunting techniques and so on – it might be hard to portray it as a training ground for ultra-nationalist militants, even if the opening saw some kids lining up behind the controversial Árpád flag (above).

Then again, it wouldn’t be too hard for a dedicated ultra-liberal internationalist journalist to connect the dots between the Zalaegerszeg Patriotism Camp and the Budapest-based Militarytábor (“military camp”), which counts the government and the Budapest Police among its partners:

Militarytábor is a military camp specially created for kids. Learn everything that was mandatory for foot soldiers during conscription times. Participate in military training exercises all day long. Live firing with AK-47s, hand grenade throwing, gas attacks, night raids, urban combat, obstacle courses, camouflaging, water jump. Our specialists are trained by professional sharpshooters, SWAT team members and government guards. Lunch at noon, football and games in the evening. Nights on military camp beds in tents. Night watch duty with arms by kids. Everything here is done at command for a whole week. If you last, it’s gonna be an experience of a lifetime. We don’t have forced marches or underwater swimming in full gear because it’s skills, not physical strength, that counts here. Apply now!

Now, like I said, I’m not one of those ultra-liberal internationalist journalists who would suggest that there is anything sinister about a network of nationalist training camps for right-wing Hungarians. But I’d bet a week on the Croatian coast that at least one will read this.

Erik D'Amato (@erikdamato) is publisher and editor-in-chief of the All Hungary Media Group.
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  • Magyar

    Another idea Zsidesz stole from Jobbik?

    • ricsi

      Without a doubt!

  • olga

    I am not quite sure what is so offensive about these camps where parents want their kids to learn about their history. Moreover, since these kids are not forced into attending camp, it shows that the parents are anxious to have their kids know about their heritage – I hope they teach some of those cute kids about posture as well.

    Although these \boys\ are now 30 and 31, my son’s friends were sent to Ukrainian camp in Ontario for about 10 summers while growing up and JA was sent to Hungarian camps in the summers in Western Canada and she knows what seems like a hundred camp songs in Hungarian.

    About ultra Liberals – \ultra\ anything is bad so I would suggest they don’t send their kids to this camp and let others do w it. I noticed there were no girls – is there a separate girls’ camp?

    If it were a JOBBIK camp, they would learn to \hate\ which is a waste of money since it is obvious, some parents did a pretty good job around here and there is no evidence a JOBBIK type hate-camp existed when these people were growing up.

    • Magyar

      There already are Jobbik camps.
      Jobbik organises picnics, which are attended by families.
      Everyone enjoys themselves, no gypsies in sight!
      Google jobbik picnic and tell me what you think ;)

      I recommend you go to one Olga.

      • ricsi

        Olga is too far gone to wake up to reality,in her simple mind Jobbik=hatred,despite the fact that we have a gypsy crime wave and huge financial extortion by her beloved ‘chosen one’s', she is doomed to suffer so unnecessarily,but so be it….

  • Jonny

    I see nothing controversial about this camp. I see it as something positive for the youth of Hungary. After all, don’t forget that during the communist regime, Hungarians had the communists pioneers/scouts that used to indoctrinate the youth of Hungary in far-left wing ideology. We also now have foreign agents operating a youth camp for girls in Hungary.

    Remember this: http://www.politics.hu/20120615/us-funding-training-camp-for-pie-baking-militant-feminist-liberals-in-hungary/

    I think a clenched fist is pretty radical for a girl’s camp. That usually refers to the sign of revolution/resistance by the international far-left.

    Though this Fidesz camp might be controversial for some, hint hint, It teaches young Hungarians discipline, responsibility and a sense of pride in their heritage. Obviously there are some people who don’t want Hungarians to feel this…

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      100%. Well put!

  • get real

    Orban’s and Vona ‘s jungen!!!

    what a bunch of losers!

    • Magyar

      Are you drawing a parallel between this and the Hitler Youth?

      • Hans

        Orban just wishes he could become the next Hitler. The problem is that the Hungarians are not exactly Germans. How can you even dream to achieve anything with clippety-clopping illiterate idiots like 80% of Hungarians.

        • Magyar

          It’s unbelievable how many idiots think that Orbán is some sort of Far right ultra nationalist, when he is just your average neo-capitalist globalist asshole.

          And about your last sentence, I recommend you read about Mr Gyula Gömbös, Szálasi and some others.

          • ricsi

            Wasting your time with trolls !!

          • Magyar

            It’s very difficult to tell the difference between your average ignorant Western European, and a troll

          • Hans

            Don’t get me wrong… I like clippety-clopping Hungarians a lot, especially the Magyar freegans who come to eat out of my trash cans.
            BTW: The problem of Gyula Gömbös was typical Hungarian too: lots of ambition but no clue at all how to realize them and -the most painful- rotten balls.

          • Magyar

            Gyula Gömbös know exactly how to realize his ambitions.
            In less than 2 years he would have turned Hungary into a fully fascist state, then he would have reconquered all the lost territory, and Hungary would have been one of the economic and military powers of Europe, with Germany and Italy.

          • Baixo

            The problem was not Gömbös mouth-to-scrotum activities with fellow Hungarian Evangelical fagots, but the catastrophic lack of hygiene in Magyarorszag.If Hungarians would start to wash their stinky balls a bit, they might actually go somewhere and live some longer.

          • Magyar

            Hungary was the first country where doctors had to wash their hands, idiot!

            And cancer is not something you catch…

          • Magyar

            Ignaz Semmelweis

            The world can thank Hungarians for saving millions of lives.

          • Baixo

            Semmelweis had no other choice than to pioneer these antiseptic techniques; even sewers were more hygienic than the Hungarian hospitals with all these docs scratching their balls 24/7.
            Having wear off balls also has some advantages. Did you see Daniel Gyurta going tonight? I swear to you: this guy has threadbare, aerodynamic balls.

      • procastinator

        no no no , the parallel was between jobbik and Hitler youth , hell the jobbik grown ups have their own storm dress up , with fancy ribbons and everything .

  • Marilyn M.

    Unbelievable, that this site is also full of n@zis and ignoramuses.

    • ricsi

      For showing your ignorance I am glad :) you could join us.

  • Vidra

    Read more posts on here before you come to a view, I suggest. Those who live in the real world outnumber the extremists, and you can’t be a total ignomarus to be Hungarian and capable of posting in English.

    I would never send my kids to a camp that preaches nationalist views (any more than I’d send them off to the God-botherers) but if others want to do so then it’s their choice.

    • Magyar

      Are you a Hungarian?

      • Pipo

        There are very few Hungarians here. They absolutely want to post there bullshit here, but unfortunately the captcha’s are too difficult.

        • Pipo

          their bullshit here

        • Anonymous

          Instead of Hungarians we have the foreign racists here like Pipo.

  • Hans

    Do you really mean that the only thing that stopped Hungary to be a Super Reich was Gömbös’ rotten balls?!

    • Magyar

      With a dedicated government, we can achieve a lot.

  • Farkas László

    When it comes to youth outreach camps, the people and nation should not forget the children of our disapora. (Hungarians have been emigrating abroad since the 1840′s) This is a very sizable group running into the millions of souls, when we count the descendents as well. Scattered over the world, this is a large pool of potential people who might like to connect closer with their Hungarian heritage.

    It is vital to maintain such outreach to those who want to visit Hungary and learn more about the language and culture of their ancestors. Whatever helps pull us together, whatever helps bind us together better is good for patriotic reasons, and good for practical ones as well.

    As to maintaining Hungarian youth camps in the nearby countries; I’m all for it. (It would be a violation of EU law to ban them.) As long as they obey the laws of the host country, it’s free expression and assembly.

  • get real

    Bozgorka aka maghyar you made my day: HA ,HA ,HA!

    “Gyula Gömbös know exactly how to realize his ambitions.
    In less than 2 years he would have turned Hungary into a fully fascist state, then he would have reconquered all the lost territory, and Hungary would have been one of the economic and military powers of Europe, with Germany and Italy.”

    This is the dream of a loser!

    How in the heck people like you can survive?

    I think that all your suicidal co nationals are suffering from megalomania and revisionist levitation

    VIVA TRIANON!

  • Koermendi

    Wait a moment — let’s get this noticed and recorded — \Magyar\ is singing the praises of the filthy J@w, the dirty k@ke, Ignaz SEMMELWEIS?

    **cue angel choirs**

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      He wasn’t a filthy J@w, not even a dirty kike. Wie schade, nicht wahr?

      According to Wikipedia, his father had a Saxon ancestry, his mother had a Schwabish one and the family was Catholic.
      Glad I could help.

      -http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semmelweis_Ign%C3%A1c

    • Magyar

      Hey, I know I give off the image that I am some kind of anti-semite, but I don’t hate all J@ews.
      I like Alexander Rosembaum, the Russian J@w singer.

      But what I don’t like is the fact that in 1919, the communist revolution was 90% j@wish and lead by a j@w who toppled the statues in Hősök tere.

      Don’t get me started on the Soviet Occupation, and then Hungary was ruled by j@ws like Rákosi.
      Again, the communist government was also full of j@ws.

      Nowadays, it is the liberal-j@wish media who promote liberalism, abortion (cost the lives of 7 million Hungarian babies), homosexuality, and do anything to sabotage and destroy traditional Hungarian life.
      I am talking about the likes of Peter Daniel and the MSZP and other neo-communist parties, same with Fidesz who are so-so (Áder is licking Israel’s ass)

      Is it simply a coincidence that everytime I see liberalism or communism, there is a J@w involved?

      Why can’t they just go and be Zionist in their own country ?(America, Israel doesn’t belong to them)

      Hungary does not want them, we dont want their zionist globalist agenda. We dont have to burn down Churches, we dont want our country filled with gays and immigrants.
      I could go on and on, but is that really so hard to understand?
      What happened in WW2 was simply a backlash after they pushed the Hungarian people long enough (Red Terror, etc etc)

      And if they keep doing this, who knows what will happen next.

  • s

    “workshops to learn traditional fishing and hunting techniques and so on”

    - So, these kids getting prepared for a prolonged Orban – era: if you want to eat at all, kid, go and catch something..!
    Remember, this is your gift and heritage from God, which you must nurture and enrich, because this is all, you need to learn to be a proud Hungarian.

    Beside the mandatory soccer- and machine gun trainings, of course, so this way the next generation of illiterate and zealous sect-members of Fidesz going to be well groomed into mindless zombies – plenty of little Letos under cultivation, you see.

    • spectator

      Comment 11. from me – of course.

  • DoubleH63

    @s

    “you see”

    What I see is a Communist humanist.

  • spectator

    Whatever, HH, but the assessment about right, wouldn’t you say?

    Otherwise, for your attention: I didn’t qualified if it’s right or wrong – it is what it is!
    However, the purpose is clear, even to me.
    That’s it.

    At a second thought, I may have problem with the “Communist” adjective, since Mr.Orban seem to hijack the whole idea of Communism, turning into “National Communism”, but we might agree on liberal humanist – I’ll take that in any weather ;-)

  • This ‘n That

    What’s the issue here. There zionist summer camps, complete with arms training, in the northeastern US. Media hasn’t complained about those.

    • spectator

      - And just why anybody in Hungary should care about that?

      • Paul

        - And just why anybody in Europe should care about that?

        • DoubleH63

          @Paul

          “And just why anybody in Europe should care about that?”

          Because without the stupid yanks, all you fags most likely would be a German colony now.

  • DoubleH63

    @spectator

    “Whatever, HH, but the assessment about right, wouldn’t you say?”

    Almost. Zsidesz try to look very nationalistic…that’s true. But Magyar and ricsi hit the nail on the head. They love to take some of Jobbik ideas – which they vote down in Parliament – and later introduce them as their own, mostly in a watered- down version.

  • justasking

    ‘JA was sent to Hungarian camps in the summers in Western Canada and she knows what seems like a hundred camp songs in Hungarian’

    Those ‘Hungarian camps’, were a yearly event, that we went too as ‘Magyar Cserkészek’. I had a f-ing blast!!!

    From the age of 7, til I was 18, I attended yearly 2 week táborok. We learnt rovásírás, we played ‘Számháború’, learnt traditional folk/camp songs, skits etc.

    We were taught about Hungarian history, culture and traditions, in Hungarian…you didn’t dare speak anything but!

    I met fellow first generation Hungarians from Australia, those across Europe and the US. We were a bunch kids who had fun, in a non-political environment.

    Olga’s right, when people break out into song when I’m in Hungary (which usually happens during a traditional Hungarian buli) and I know that song, cause I had learned it years before..yeah, I feel a connection, and proud to be able to participate in that sing-along.

    I support camps, that focus on everything Hungary/ian (non-political)…why wouldn’t I be?

  • adolf 3

    hans need to go to the fucking gas chamber then we can see how well he fucking sings? fucking racist pig

    • ricsi

      Such stupid comments do more harm than good,never let these provacateurs get to you-you lose the argument when you respond so stupidly. Unless of course that is your real intention??? Go away.

  • Magyar

    Can I just ask, what do people think of this?

    -http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/285524_218893418163265_4044928_n.jpg

    Is that allowed, but the Hungarian Patriotism camp is not?

    Also, what ethnic group is in that picture? I am not quite sure, but I think Olga might be able to tell me.

    Thank you.

    • Leto مؤدّب

      Oh, these kids even write nice messages on gifts of love meant for other kids. Ain’t it cute?

      -http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/07/17/photo-of-the-day-israeli-kids-sends-gifts-of-love-to-arab-kids/

    • Viking

      This is similar to what is going on on every 23rd of October in Budapest, so why do you have a problem

      Personally I have a problem letting kids play around with real weapons, yes, but that is me, so go on and call me anti-Hungarian now…

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