August 2nd, 2012

Political parties mark Roma Holocaust anniversary

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Parliamentary opposition parties of Hungary paid tribute to victims of the Roma Holocaust in statements sent to MTI on Thursday.

Racism must not become an objective nor can it be used as a tool by politicians, the main opposition Socialist Party wrote in a statement.

The document warned that “the anti-minority, far-right rhetorics which has once swept across the Carpathian Basin leaving inconceivable destruction behind is again part of our present”.

The statement, signed by party chair Attila Mesterhazy and board member Laszlo Teleki, called on the government to take appropriate measures to fight sentiments against the Roma and other groups of society.

In its statement, the small LMP party also condemned all expressions of hatred and called for solidarity and cooperation to ease tension within society. Lawmaker Timea Szabo, who signed the document, said that Roma and non-Roma were equally responsible for Hungary’s future.

Leftist group Democratic Coalition voiced sympathy over the 3,000 Hungarian Roma who were killed in Auschwitz Birkenau on the night of August 3, 1944. The statement also said that “hatred and discrimination against the Roma has again become legitimate” and referred to the radical nationalist Jobbik party as one embracing racism.

Commemorations for the Roma victims of the Holocaust are held across Hungary on Thursday, marking the last day of executing several thousands of Roma in the Auschwitz-Birkenau death camp during the WWII.

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  • Magyar

    When are we going to have the anniversary of all the Hungarians brutally murdered by Gypsy criminals?

    Looks like the LMP and MSZP are going to learn the hard way what gypsies are like.

    Gypsy crime exists, every gypsy is a born criminal.
    Statistics prove this, whats there to discuss?
    Is it racism to point out that gypsies are criminals?

    • Danny

      Well, when you are brutally murdered (hopefully soon), then we’ll definitely consider celebrating it every year.

      • Magyar

        Let me know when you or your family gets raped or stabbed by a gypsy.
        Then we can talk about gypsy crime, ok?

  • get real

    you,you, jokers, so you have gypsies ?

    and not only that ,criminals?

    That’s new for me, I thought only in Romania live gypsies!

    I remember now, you have like 30% of the population of them!

    Enjoy them!

  • olga

    @ Magyar

    I try very hard not to respond to your postings but could not resist (lack of that second cup of coffee that brings me to my senses) – So what do you think of the following?

    “Associated Press= BUDAPEST, Hungary (AP) — Four men went on trial Friday for deadly late-night attacks against Gypsies in Hungary, and prosecutors told the court those village raids were planned with military precision.

    Six people — including a young man and his 5-year-old son — were shot to death, five sustained life-threatening injuries and five others were seriously wounded in the attacks between July 2008 and August 2009. ” etc

    What does that say about Hungarians? As far as any normal person would think, it says absolutely nothing because there is no correlation between psychopaths and murderers and race, religion, nationality etc. But then again, you are not exactly a “normal person” , so I figured your explanations would be:

    a) I*sreali conspiracy to make Hungarians look bad
    b) the gypsies were behind it to gain world sympathy

    So is it A or B?

    • Magyar

      This is just one attack, most likely revenge.

      You see, when a Hungarian kills a gypsy, it makes the front lines of every news paper, probably even on distant galaxies!

      But when a gypsy kills a Hungarian, the police simply covers it up, it doesn’t make the headlines.

      There is a lot more gypsy on Hungarian crime, than Hungarian on gypsy crime, you know that very well Olga.

      So please, use that brain cell or two, thanks.

      What do you think of this?
      -http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2012/04/brutal-gypsy-criminal-beheaded-elderly.html

      -http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2012/03/gypsy-poacher-murdered-game-warden-with.html

      -http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2011/12/police-captured-two-gypsies-that-beat.html

      -http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2011/10/two-minor-gypsy-criminals-brutally.html

      -http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2011/10/six-gypsies-gang-raped-young-girl-in.html

      -http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2011/09/9-months-pregnant-gypsy-woman-assaulted.html

      -http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2011/09/gypsy-criminals-kicked-and-robbed-9.html

      -http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2011/09/gypsies-criminals-assaulted-leader-of.html

      -http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2011/08/gypsy-pimps-poured-hydrochloric-acid.html

      -http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2011/03/gypsy-stabs-owner-of-grocery-store-for.html

      -http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2011/03/this-time-members-of-pampered-minority.html

      -http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2012/07/heres-kata-bandys-gypsy-killer.html

      • Liz Aucoin

        That is such a lie!!! All you ever hear about in the news is about how bad the gypsies are!!! Its the other way around, when a Hungarian kills a gypsy it is covered up, just like the killings in Gyongyospata. It took police 8 months to lay charges. But when a gypsy kills someone then it is reported and out come the torches and the vigilantes. Get real! It is funny how you contradict yourself too, first you say that it gets covered up for the gypsies, then you post all of the anti roma articles. Where are the articles about the Hungarians killing gypsies? Maybe because they are scarce and can’t find many? Of course you will say that it is because it doesn’t happen right?

  • Curious George

    “What do you think of this?”
    I think this is cherry picking. Every single article on crime on that stupid website talks only about Roma. Apparently Hungarians dont commit crimes.

    • Magyar

      Gypsies commit 60% of all the crimes.
      ANd gypsy crimes are far more cruel and disgusting than Hungarian crimes.

      Hungarians commit crimes like speeding on a countryside road.

      Gypsy commit crimes like gang raping old women.

      • Viking

        Magyar says:
        August 2, 2012 at 3:24 pm
        Gypsies commit 60% of all the crimes.
        —-

        Sources for that stats, please, then criminals in Hungary are not registered on ethnicity

        Officially just a few hunderd thousand Hungarians are registered as Roma and most of them are living decent lives. Even when these people gets arrested their etnicity is not registered, so this figure is just imagination

        There are no official reports/stats on the ethnicity of the Hungarian Prison Population, only different ‘studies’ where the inamets have been asked to identify themselves as either ‘Hungarian’ or ‘Roma’. Not 100% answer and then thsi type of ‘studies’ are then applied onte the whole population. Not very scientific, but that has never been in ‘magyar’s’ interest

        • Magyar

          Pécs Police report 2010.

          “There are no official reports/stats on the ethnicity of the Hungarian Prison Population, only different ‘studies’ where the inamets have been asked to identify themselves as either ‘Hungarian’ or ‘Roma’.”
          And you are right my friend, a lot of gypsies identify as Hungarians.

          This the crime committed by these “Hungarians” is actually Gypsy crime, and needs to be taken into account when dealing with Gypsy crime. I am glad you agree with me :)

          Anyway, are these idiots REALLY denying Gypsy crime?
          I bet that 99% of these people hate Holocaust Deniers, but deny Gypsy Crime themselves.

          Anyway, back on the original topic, there was no Gypsy Holocaust, since Gypsy Crime is fiction as well ;)

          • Viking

            Magyar says:
            August 2, 2012 at 4:00 pm

            a lot of gypsies identify as Hungarians.

            This the crime committed by these “Hungarians” is actually Gypsy crime, and needs to be taken into account when dealing with Gypsy crime
            —

            So, pls cannot you share with us:
            * The Manual How To Identify A True Magyar?

            Being a MEP for “Jobbik” is obviously not a real definition

            I mean, when not even your own lot can do the distinction, how can WE then *really* believe you are not next in line for circumcision or soon to be charged of ‘A Gypsy Crime’?

          • Magyar

            To be a true Magyar, you must be a Magyar in your heart.
            The majority of gypsies and J@ws in Hungary are not Magyarts in their heart.
            Note, I said majority, not all, we dont want to generalize, right?

            When I found out about Szegedi’s J@wish roots, I accepted him as a true Magyar, since thats how he seemed.
            But I was wrong, for some reason he will probably convert to J@daism, and now that he puts Israel before the Szent Korona, he is not a true Magyar.

            A true Magyar must also have at least some Turanian blood, which is why we should settle Uygurs in Northern Slovakia and other lost lands with little Magyars in them. The Uyghurs will give the Slavs and Vlachs the Turanian influx they need to become true Magyars(and they will also escape Chinese persecution)

  • olga

    @ Magyar

    Since your reply, I had my second cup of coffee and have come to my senses so I cannot read Hungarian Ambiance today but shall mark it on my day timer to read it tomorrow before that 2nd cup.

    I have no doubt that gypsies commit more crimes per capita in Hungary than Hungarians – rumour has it there is a correlation between poverty, lack of education , unemployment and crime – have you heard those allegations?

    Without knowing Hungary’s crime statistics, I would bet 12 coffees at the Jeg Bufe (best coffee in town that I know about) that if you compared 100 convicted Hungarian criminals with 100 convicted Romas ( all guilty of similar crimes) you would also find similar backgrounds. (poverty, neglected childhood, unemployment, no future etc etc) I would also bet that more Hungarians have been convicted of white collar crimes than gypsies.

    I read your comment about “free vasectomies for gypsies” – you are making an assumption that poor uneducated people multiply like rabbits because they cannot afford birth control but statistics prove that theory otherwise.

    I don’t know any stats re level of education and vasectomies but I know that several studies have been done on the correlation between a female’s education and fertility rate. There is a direct relationship about the education level of women and birth rates and of course the women who have the lowest education have the highest number of children.

    Thus your buddy Ricsi proved my Grandmother’s saying that “a vak tyuk is talal szemet” because Roma education and job training are the answers and unfortunately these are not quick fixes.

    I do not welcome the Roma in Canada based on Refugee status as you implied in one of your postings – EU responsibility to integrate the Roma, but for those who have gained legal status in Canada, they are our responsibility.

    Isn’t it grand that you can hate the J*ews for totally different reasons?

    • Magyar

      Ok, first of all.

      Gypsies who go to western countries, and get education and lots of money there, STILL commit lots of crimes.
      Its their genetic programming, a gypsy is a gypsy, crime is their culture.

      Secondly, they have many children not because they are poor, but because the government pays gypsies for each child they have, so they can spend it on alcohol and cigarettes.
      Children are a source of income for Gypsies, because thats the easiest and only work they are capable of.

      Thirdly, most gypsies refuse to go to school, or they drop out due to lack of effort.

      Ever heard the saying “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink”?
      That applies to gypsies, the facilities are there, they just refuse to use them, because gypsies are lazy and stupid. This is due to their culture, and years of interbreeding between each other (very common amongst gypsies)

      Fourtly, Gypsies are a protected minority, they can do anything but the government and police will protect them.

      Fifthly, I recall reading a story where the government spends millions of Euroes to train 1000 gypsies to work in social services.
      Do you know how much money that is? Regular Hungarians dont need to do that.
      It is obvious that gypsies are not equal by the fact that we need to use extra effort to get gypsies to work.
      Why should we set up “work for gypsies” schemes? Can’t they get work or to school like normal people?

      Why does the government need to hold their hands, while it doesnt need to do the same to Ethnic Hungarians (even Hungarians from poor areas).

      Its just facts Olga, facts.

  • Damien

    And this from a nation which at the behest of the their German handlers frog marched hoards of Roma and Jews to the gas chambers in 1944 and just a few years later turned on each other for the benefit of their new Soviet handlers. Magyar passion for slaughter has not changed. See this recent gem:
    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/evil-double-murderer-hid-inside-divan-bed-182521508.html

  • Pete H.

    An antidote to the ugly Magyar.

    -http://kiadok.lira.hu/kiado/corvina/index.php?action=konyv&id=139405935

    -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI_RWXwbFqI&list=PL1A32FA28F7CE715D&index=67&feature=plpp_video

    -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_LvhQcXqWg&list=PL1A32FA28F7CE715D&index=147&feature=plpp_video

    -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVq33WajXsQ&feature=related

    • Magyar

      “http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI_RWXwbFqI&list=PL1A32FA28F7CE715D&index=67&feature=plpp_video”

      ALl the Roma women there are “Human rights activists” aka useless shits.
      Wheres the Gypsy engineers, gypsy scientists, gypsy doctors?

      Towards the end “42 members of my family have university degrees”
      LOL, see they breed like rats.
      And I bet its the same university Gyurcsány went to.

      Gypsies arent Europeans, they will never be Europeans.
      IF they want, they can go to Canada, Romania (not Transylvania), Spain, UK, Netherlands, Scandinavia, I dont care!
      But not Hungary.

      • Pete H.

        All the bigoted attitudes expressed by “Magyar” are the same made by many in the US in before the civil rights era. A commitment to better educational access, anti-discrimination laws, changes in the media’s attitude, censor of politicians with bigoted attitudes have all changed the climate for blacks in the US. As result a majority of blacks now are able to reach their human potential.

        Although we still have a long way to go to irradiate racism in the US, there have been huge strides.

        A growing black middle class. Increased numbers of college degrees granted to blacks. Increased representation in professions including medicine, law, science, and an increased representation in politics. More and more business owned and run by blacks. Etc., etc. All the trends are in a positive direction.

        Every year I teach dozens of blacks whose academic achievements are indistinguishable from their non-black peers. They go on to be doctors, nurses, medical techs, research scientists, etc., etc. People with “Magyars” attitude said that blacks could never achieve and were genetically predisposed to crime and were born lazy and stupid.

        They were wrong and I hope at some point things change in Hungary so that the facts on the ground make a mockery of his bigoted attitude.
        All these accomplishments have made a mockery of the types of attitudes expressed by “Magyar” regarding Roma.

        Hungary and most of Europe have a backward attitude towards the Roma and are stuck in a 1940′s mind-set.

        Given equal opportunities and treatment Roma as a people will achieve great things. Even in the current climate of unequal access to education and jobs, many are still able to breakthrough the cycle of poverty and demonstrate to the world that they are no different form the rest of humanity.

        Some small progress here and there

        -https://www.facebook.com/ourschool

        -http://www.ambedkar.eu/teaching-the-roma-in-borsod-county-hungary/

        -http://www.cfcf.hu/?language=english&folder_id=101

        • Magyar

          Gypsies and Hungarians aren’t treated equally.
          Gypsies are treated better than Hungarians, and have more rights

          The only bigot and racist here is you, you stupid anti-Hungarian and anti-white asshole.

      • Pete H.

        -http://vimeo.com/35570044

        -http://roma-react.eu/

        • Magyar

          Gypsies do no belong in our lands.
          They came uninvited, nobody wanted them, and nobody wants them now.

          Its different with the USA and UK, the British had colonies in Africa, you shipped them to your countries, they are your responsibility now.

          The Gypsies on the other hand, came ILLEGALLY and UNINVITED to our lands.
          We NEVER had colonies in India or Pakistan, so what are they doing in Hungary?

          We dont want them, if you like them so much, they can go to the USA.

          • Magyar

            Lets say somebody snuck into your house uninvited.
            He then hid there for a long time.
            Would that mean that he is allowed to stay in the house, and the house is his?

            Now replace House with Hungary.
            Somebody with Gypsy.
            And you get the gist….

          • Pete H.

            By your dimwitted logic one could argue that the Maygars snuck into the Carpathian basin uninvited 1000 years ago.

          • Magyar

            First of all, it was over 1100 years ago, a lot more if you count our ancestors the Avars and Huns.

            Secondly, before the Huns and Avars (our ancestors) no Nation state controlled the whole Carpathian Basin.

            Thirdly, its our country, we built it, defended it, civilised it and the surrounded Vlach and Slav barbarians.
            The gypsies came much later on, and they contributed very little except being parasites.

            We made it our country when we built our cities there.
            Where are the famous gypsy cities? Slums in Miskolc or Kassa? Ahaha

          • Magyar

            Also, we conquered and won our lands fair and square, while gypsies LITERALLY snuck in like parasites.

          • Viking

            Magyar says:
            August 2, 2012 at 7:51 pm

            we conquered and won our lands fair and square
            —

            Yes, invading other countries and killing off any resistance is of course just “fair and square”

            You live in the US, yes?

      • Dan

        We don’t want them in Canada, thank you!

  • Big Fish

    What I find interesting and contradicts/questions holocaust narative: gypsies were near equals with jews in Nazi’s book. Gypsies hardy had resources (ie money) to escape the horror during WWII. Consequently, they were stuck and readily collected in Europe during war by the nazi. One would think that all but few were left post war due to extermination. What’s interesting, large part of their popn apparently survived – as evidenced today in Europe. Why did they largely survive and European jews, as we’re told, all but perished?

  • Jonny

    How come the mainstream media doesn’t cover the deportation of 600,000 ethnic Magyars to the Soviet Union after World War Two?

    news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8347146.stm

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labor_of_Hungarians_in_the_Soviet_Union

    • Magyar

      Becuase:
      1)It was done by communists, thus mentioning it would upset the left.
      2) Its the truth, truth is now allowed in the media.
      3) Hungarians are not a member of a protected minority, thus we can be Holocausted as much as \Certain People\ want, and nobody will give shit. But if a few gypsies die, its suddenly a big deal.

      200,000 Hungarians died because of the deportation, that is MORE than the amount of Gypsies that died in Hungary due to the so called \Gypsy Holocaust\.

      I wonder what OLGA, PAUL OR PETE think of this.

      • Pete H.

        As I have repeatedly stated, my family and their friends were victims of Soviet communism. My immediate family fled Hungary to avoid persecution by the Soviets. My grandfather had a price on his head and would have been murdered if he stayed in Hungary.

        It is complete BS to argue that those on the left don’t care about communist atrocities.

        It was a left leaning US president that made the famous speech at the Berlin wall.

        In addition, the vote to honor those victims was supported by all political parties in Hungary.

        -http://www.politics.hu/20120522/parliament-declares-nov-25-memorial-day-of-hungarians-deported-to-soviet-union/

        So what do I think? It is possible, without any contradiction, to honor the victims of both atrocities.

      • Viking

        Magyar says:
        August 2, 2012 at 7:57 pm

        200,000 Hungarians died because of the deportation, that is MORE than the amount of Gypsies that died in Hungary due to the so called \Gypsy Holocaust\
        —

        So why does not your party, “Jobbik”, demand that Mr Put In is put before an International Court to answer about this atrocity?

        So why does not your party, “Jobbik”, dismantle the Soviet WWII Victory Monument in Budapest?
        Those all MPs got so soft now on their high MP-salaries, so they will not risk anything, like some of the LMP MPs are willing to do for other issues?

        Just out of curiosity – How many citizens of Soviet did Hungarians kill, helping Hitler’s Army on the east-front, before the Soviets pushed back the invading Armies to where they came from?
        What do we call those killings – “Collateral Damage during Freedom Fight”?

  • get real

    Thank you Maghyar for your help:

    “Gypsies do no belong in our lands.
    They came uninvited, nobody wanted them, and nobody wants them now.”

    “The Gypsies on the other hand, came ILLEGALLY and UNINVITED to our lands.”

    Now, replace the word “gypsies” and replace it with ” huns” and you will get the image of huns invasion in Europe and Transylvania!

    We have the same feeling about the huns like you have tore the gypsies!

    On thing is for sure: the huns and the gypasies are asian people and they are not belonging to Europe!

  • justasking

    ‘The document warned that “the anti-minority, far-right rhetorics which has once swept across the Carpathian Basin leaving inconceivable destruction behind is again part of our present”

    Huh, here I thought that the extremism that had came from either side of the political spectrum in the past, had left ‘inconceivable destruction behind’….I obviously stand corrected.

  • get real

    The so called extremism is coming as a reaction to your revisionism!

    what is hard to understand?

    • trollolah

      Our so-called revisionism is coming as a reaction to your extremism!

      Why is this so hard for you to understand?

    • justasking

      @get,

      ‘The so called extremism is coming as a reaction to your revisionism!’

      Seriously?! You truly are a simple fuck aren’t you?

  • get real

    here it’s puzzle for you:

    Please tell the origin of this words: apa,balta, alma!Maszar!!

    The answers on the next post!

  • Zsolt

    alma: Turk
    balta: Cuman or “Besenyő”
    apa : Dravidian or from Hungarian name Aba…
    Maszar: no idea what does it mean

    What are you getting at?

  • get real

    All of those words are common to the population in Kazakhstan!!!
    they have a region called” maszar, or majar” from where the Magyars have originated!

    • Magyar

      The Madjar people of Kazakstan most likely were Hungarians, but they were assimilated to the Kazakh population, and mixed with them.
      They have however retained their identity, like the Jász people.

      The Jász people look, speak, and act Hungarian, but their original name stuck.
      Same thing for the Madjars of Kazakhstan, except they now look, speak and act Kazakh,while retaining their original identity.

      • Viking

        Magyar says:
        August 6, 2012 at 3:13 am

        The Madjar people of Kazakstan most likely were Hungarians, but they were assimilated to the Kazakh population, and mixed with them
        —

        Totally wrong as can be seen by the abstract of this study

        -http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.20984/abstract

        What *may* be true is that both the Madjar and the Magyar share a common ancestry, which is something completely different from what ‘magyar’ is claiming

        This would then, like I previously stated, more prove that the Magyars came from the Central Asia and not from the Carpathian Basin
        And *maybe* these common ancestor to both the Madjar and the Magyar peoples came from the area of today’s Iran, so no time to ‘populate’ the Carpathian Basin 5.000 years ago

        Even if ‘magyar’ really wants to believe that the Magyars were everywhere and is the Mother of everyone, the competition was much harder at that time and the Magyars did not leave any remarkable trace anywhere before their entry into the Carpathian Basin about 1250 years ago
        But when they came here they took a stand and survived as a strong and vivid culture at least, which is more than can be said of some of their competitors a millennium ago

        • Magyar

          -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friar_Julian

          • Viking

            The concept of the ‘Eastern Magyars’ does not have anything to do with that Magyars originated originally in the Carpathian Basin
            It just shows that not all Magyars went on to the Carpathian Basin, but stayed on in Volga Bulgaria, together with a Finnic (Asagel) tribe. The Magyar tribe was called Pascatir
            This are was predominant Muslim at this time

            The funny thing is that normally ‘magyar’ uses arguments from Turanism (which also was popular with the Hungarian Fascists in the 30s), which is in starch opposition to the old ‘Finno-Ugric’ origin of the Magyars
            Friar Julian is one of the sources for the old ‘Finno-Ugric’ origin of the Magyars, but who expected some logic from ‘magyar’, just cherry-picking desperately

            That not only Magyars can keep on to their traditions/languages in a short period of a few centuries is also “Verbivka”
            -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gammalsvenskby

          • Magyar

            How is Friar Julian proof of the Finno Ugric theory?
            Volga Bulgars lived next to the Magyars, and they arent Finno Ugric.
            And I never said Hungarians originated in the Carpathian Basin, I said there are theories and evidence to SUGGEST It.

          • Magyar

            And what do you mean ‘old Finno Ugric’ origin? It is a relatively new concept.
            And there is no Cherry Picking, Friar Julian is a historical fact, but it doesnt prove that we are “Finno-Ugric”.

          • Viking

            Magyar says:
            August 8, 2012 at 3:03 am

            I never said Hungarians originated in the Carpathian Basin, I said there are theories and evidence to SUGGEST It
            —

            It is OK for me that you want to backtrack a statement in another thread which was to effect that Magyars had ‘more right’ to the Carpathian Basin then they were originally from here

            Anything else you want to back-track from, while being in that mode?

  • DoubleH63

    The last couple of days did not seem to improve the cigány szőröstalpú education.

  • get real

    doubleshit i just open your eyes from where you was originated so when you claim Transylvania to think( that’s a big word) that is not yours!

    VIVA TRIANON!

  • get real

    viking, thank you:

    \What *may* be true is that both the Madjar and the Magyar share a common ancestry, which is something completely different from what ‘magyar’ is claiming

    This would then, like I previously stated, more prove that the Magyars came from the Central Asia and not from the Carpathian Basin
    And *maybe* these common ancestor to both the Madjar and the Magyar peoples came from the area of today’s Iran, so no time to ‘populate’ the Carpathian Basin 5.000 years ago\

    You saved me a lot of time!

    VIVA TRIANON!

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