August 2nd, 2012

Socialists call on PM to clarify comments on democratic system

Opposition Socialist Party stalwart Ildiko Lendvai has called on the prime minister to say what he meant when he voiced hope that Hungary would not have to “replace democracy with another type of political system” in the interest of economic survival.

Lendvai reacted to Viktor Orban’s remarks made at an event organised by the Federation of Entrepreneurs and Employers last Thursday. She called on Orban to make clear what system he had in mind and what institutions and rights he would change.

Lendvai said his remarks, alongside with his labelling Hungarians “semi-Asian” and his proposal to “set up a strong, central power”, all required explanation.

Lendvai noted that under the new Hungarian constitution, the declaration of an emergency could involve restricting the independence of the law courts, access to legal remedy, ownership rights, as well as cutting welfare services and pensions. These measures could be activated in times of war, a natural disaster or industrial accident under the constitution, she noted.

MTI (Magyar Távirati Iroda) is the Hungarian news agency.
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  • Magyar

    “replace democracy with another type of political system”
    Since its Fidesz, we all know that that “other political system is” (hint hint communism, with Orbán being The Ultimate Peoples Workers Overlord King )

    • Magyar

      Does anyone else find the imagine of Orbán being the next Nemzetvezető really hilarious?

  • Viking

    his labelling Hungarians “semi-Asian”

    If I and others here claim this we are called ‘anti-Hungarian’, but other rules apply to Fidesz top brass

    • spectator

      Hmm.
      I was never actually interested about Mr.Orbans ancestry, but now, as he mentioned it…
      Well…

  • Observation

    He has the power to do it. He may not have the power to survive doing it, but he can sure enough get it done. It’s remarkable that none of his henchmen in parliament has the moral courage or back bone to oppose him.

  • Baixo

    Hungarians are neither Europeans nor Asians. They are just a bunch of failed wanking trolls trying to stir up trouble.

  • Magyar

    Personally I don’t really see Semi-Asian as an insult.
    We are the Sons of Attila, his warrior blood flows within us, nobody can take that away from us, not even the liberal media which is mentally sterilising Hungarians.

    • Viking

      Magyar says:
      August 2, 2012 at 10:02 pm

      We are the Sons of Attila, his warrior blood flows within us, nobody can take that away from us

      Nice to see that you agree about the need for non-European immigration into mainland Europe
      Just to freshen up the gene pool

      In the beginning of “Jobbik” just after 2003, their first anti-immigration campaigns were against the Chinese being illegally (or legally probably also) in Hungary
      The opening up of ‘Chinese Markets’ in more or less every small village in Hungary was seen as the destruction of the Hungarian Culture

      Well, good for you “Jobbik” changed and can now not get enough from Chinese ‘businesspeople’ and their money

      There is though a twist to this, and that is, it was probably the Chinese who 1500 years ago forced the Magyars to ‘Go West’, so the original idea of “Jobbik” is probably more understandable from an historical point of view – fear the Chinese!

      A bit like how we, the Nordic People, have deep grown fear of the Russian Empire, something that has somewhat been toned down the last 20 years, but will be a real issue in the nearest future. Especially as we should regard our Eastern Part (today’s Finland and the Baltic States) as ours
      That is why I see the big problem with “Jobbik” as being the most pro-Put In party in mainland Europe today
      As “Semi-Asian” ‘magyar’ should know that neither Russia, nor China are good bedfellows

      • Magyar

        What the hell are you talking about? How did you get all of that from my statement?
        When did I mention immigration?

        And FYI,its Fidesz who makes alliences with China,not Jobbik.
        Are you a retard or something?

        • Viking

          Magyar says:
          August 3, 2012 at 11:31 am

          When did I mention immigration?

          Well, we take it s_l_o_w_l_y:
          * Hungary is not in Asia and Magyars being “semi-Asian” must hence have immigrated – OK?

          * Immigrated as non-Europeans into Europe – OK?

          * Hence Magyars must be positive to non-Europeans immigrating today, anything else would be seen as rather selfish, would it not?

          * And, pls go back to the Election Campaign 2010 and explain how “Jobbik” did *not* want to ‘open up Hungary to the East’ – OK?

          * At least you managed to get it correct that is the Parliamentarian Majority that forges alliances with foreign countries – Good Boy!

          • Magyar

            Indo-Europeans migrated to Europe as well.
            -http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/IE_expansion.png/400px-IE_expansion.png
            Ok?

            -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Europeans
            Ok?

            -http://www.uncp.edu/home/rwb/indo_european_migation.jpg
            Ok?

            To Hungary, opening up to the East means economic, political and military co-operation With Eastern Countries.
            Opening up to the west means slow death, liberalism, shit economy, and having immigrants dumped into your country.

            And there are theories which supports the origin of the Hungarians in the Carpathian Basin.

            Now go fck yourself, a kurva anyad.

          • Viking

            Magyar says:
            August 3, 2012 at 5:32 pm

            And there are theories which supports the origin of the Hungarians in the Carpathian Basin.

            Yes, but again you were 2nd on the ball, then *we*, the Real European Aborigines, the 1st Europeans, The Original Europeans, came into the Carpathian Basin about 45.000 years ago
            Your ‘proof’ relates to the 2nd wave of immigrants 4-7.500 years ago

            *We* came here when the Neanderthal were still around. When you guys came along *we* had already secured the area and implemented order and traditions

            You guys were just interesting in harvesting the fields, which *we* thought were rather boring so we moved on to the West (the Basques), Italy (the Etruscan) and North (the Saame)

            -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_Europe
            -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurignacian

          • Magyar

            Again, are you a retard?

            The Basques have nothing to do with Indo-Europeans.

            The Basques and Finnic people were the original settlers of Europe, most of them got killed or assimilated by the Indo-Europeans.

            Geeze you lie so much, I never heard so much BS in my life LOL

            What next, Indo-Europeans were in Europe at the time of Dinosaurs? LOL

          • spectator

            “Indo-Europeans were in Europe at the time of Dinosaurs?”

            - But you were, obviously…

          • Viking

            Magyar says:
            August 3, 2012 at 6:48 pm

            The Basques and Finnic people were the original settlers of Europe, most of them got killed or assimilated by the Indo-Europeans

            Not really correct.
            The Basques, the Etruscan and the Saame are descendent of the 1st Immigrants to Europe, which was 35-40.000 years before the lot you claim to belong to, came into Europe

            If you just apply a bit reading comprehension on my post it will all be revealed there
            Or “Again, are you a retard?”

          • Viking

            Magyar says:
            August 3, 2012 at 5:32 pm

            To Hungary, opening up to the East means economic, political and military co-operation With Eastern Countries

            Like having a ‘Chinese Market’ in every little Hungarian village, something the “Original Jobbik” from 2003-2004 raged against and collected names to create opinion to stop this destruction of Hungarian Culture and demanded that the Hungarian Police would be more active in expelling illegal Chinese workers from Hungary

            Somebody changed their mind…
            Maybe the smell of money helped them seeing the ‘new angle’?

          • Magyar

            “The Basques, the Etruscan and the Saame are descendent of the 1st Immigrants to Europe, which was 35-40.000 years before the lot you claim to belong to, came into Europe”

            And Indo Europeans were not among them, they came much later.

            “Somebody changed their mind…
            Maybe the smell of money helped them seeing the ‘new angle’?”
            Where do you get that Jobbik supports Chinese immigration?
            And FYI, I am not fond of the Chinese, too bad the Japs (also our distant Turanian brothers) lost the war.

          • Viking

            Magyar says:
            August 3, 2012 at 7:37 pm

            Where do you get that Jobbik supports Chinese immigration?

            “Jobbik” stopped campaigning against them/it

            When we speak about economic policies, is not one of the main policies that Hungary should be the Chinese Gateway to Europe?
            How do you that without importing a bunch of Chinese?
            Do you *really* think the Chinese will let a bunch of Hungarians play with their money?

            But no problems if “the Japs (also our distant Turanian brothers)” immigrate to Hungary then?
            At least it would improve the restaurant-scene here and what do you not have an ‘extended family’ for?

  • spectator

    Second try – yesterday my comment disappeared, so here we go again.
    ———————-
    “replace democracy with another type of political system”

    If I remember well, the decision that in Hungary democracy should replace the so called Socialism was a result of a referendum: the majority of the population voted for it.
    Consequently – as I see it – replacing it with something else should be decided through another referendum – not by a mediocre soccer player acting like PM.

    At the moment the Basic Law (knew as Constitution in her maiden name..) declare:

    B. Article
    (1)Hungary is an independent, democratic state under the rule of law.

    Consequently, the quoted sentence of Mr.Orban – even put it mildly – unconstitutional, less mildly treason.

    Having heard the whole speech he is practically threatening with the possibility – unless everyone dancing at his tunes. The problem is, he is way out of tune, both politically and economically.

    Nice, isn’t it?
    What’s next?
    Marshall law?

    In every self respecting country he should have been forced to step down from office by the President, the Parliament and even by his own party – as a disgrace.

    I said “self respecting country”.

  • spectator

    “…too bad the Japs (also our distant Turanian brothers) lost the war.”

    - It makes certain, that they are indeed our brothers – they just keeping up with the traditions, you know.

    Do you remember last time Hungary has won any war?

    See? Brothers, for sure!

    • Magyar

      When was the last time any European country won a war all by itself?

  • Godot

    Some Magyars are half semi-Asian and half semi-Australian, isn’t that right, Magyar?

    • justasking

      @Godot,

      ‘Some Magyars are half semi-Asian and half semi-Australian, isn’t that right, Magyar?’

      And that would be embarrassing…why?

      • Godot

        I don’t know.
        Maybe you should ask “Magyar” or Ricsi, if it is embarrasing for a fake Mű-Magyar to constantly attack real Magyars for not being Magyar enough.
        “Jobbik” trash.

        • justasking

          @Godot,

          ‘…fake Mű-Magyar to constantly attack real Magyars for not being Magyar enough’

          First off…what exactly does ‘Magyar enough’ mean? Who determines who is ‘Magyar’ enough? Is there some kind of competition that I should know about and register for?

          Do I get a ‘special’ Government issued ID (separate from my Hungarian passport) or does it come from the ‘Real Magyar’ Association? What else can I ‘win’, if I’m proven to be a ‘real Magyar’?

          PS: Oh, and could you please explain to me what a ‘fake Mű-Magyar’…isn’t that simply a ‘real’ Magyar?
          ——-

          ‘“Jobbik” trash’

          Well, I personally think they come up with some pretty good points…lousy solutions mind you; but, good points none the less. And 2…get mad at the people who ‘created’ the need for a Jobbik party…Jobbik is the EFFECT and not the CAUSE of the issues in Hungary that we see.

    • Magyar

      Are you saying I am half semi-Asian and half semi-Australian?

      I am 100% Magyar.
      -http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/409584_506264962733140_1225349144_n.jpg

      What are you? 100% idiot?

      • Darwin

        You guys can’t even Photoshop. Retards!

  • Godot

    Check your passport and see what it says under “nationality”…
    By the way, how many passports do you have?

    • Magyar

      Nationality=Hungarian
      Number of Passports=1

      What about you? What do you have?
      A dual Israeli-Hungarian citizenship? :D

  • Godot

    No, I’m an investigative journalist of a British newspaper on assignment in Brisbane.
    Place of Birth in your passport?
    Not Hungary, is it???

    • Magyar

      Place of Birth: Miskolc

      You sound like the member of the MSZP propaganda board.

  • Magyar

    And what are you trying to achieve?

    • Pete H.

      Magyar, are you a Szálasi fan?

      • Magyar

        He had some alright ideas,some completly idiotic, but overall I am not a fan of him. He was essentially a traitor to Hungary,and I have much more respect for Admiral Horthy.

        And I especially dislike Modern Hungarists (Hungarism= Szálasi’s beliefs).
        Actually, I hate groups like the MNA as much as I hate the MSZP.

      • spectator

        “I hate groups like the MNA as much as I hate the MSZP.”

        - Is there anything what you can relate to with some other sentiment than hate?

        Seems pretty much to me, that the greatest achievement of the Orban-regime is to let loose hatred.

        You’ve got your right to hate the Gypsies, Jews, Muslims, gays, capitalists, communists, the colored ones and the ones with slat eyes – in short everyone else, but the incompetence of your government to make your life at least bearable.
        Of course, there is always somebody else to blame, someone else to fight with, somebody else to hinder us from being the greatest – never our own inadequacy, stupidity, laziness – but the “enemy”, the “conspiracy” the “coup attempts” – the list endless.

        But of course, it’s our God Given Right to be stupid enough top pick these clowns to govern us, let them to rob us dry and make us servants again, because they gave us the right to hate, and demand the respect of the rest of the World, because we are the greatest!

        - Losers of all times! We made ourselves to be, without outside help!

        Thank you, Mr.Orban for this privilege!

  • Godot

    –http://status.idolbin.com/details.php?id=699856704

  • DoubleH63

    @Godot

    “I’m an investigative journalist of a British newspaper on assignment in Brisbane.”

    Na, már megint egy zsidó Pinocchio.

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