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August 6th, 2012

Minister condemns racism but says it’s “sinful” to falsely label people as racist

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On the occasion of the 100th birth anniversary of Raoul Wallenberg, the Swedish diplomat who saved the lives of thousands of Jews during the Holocaust, Zoltan Balog, the minister of human resources, condemned anti-Semitism and Roma baiting, but said accusing a person of being racist was a sin equal to racism itself.

Speaking at a commemoration held in the Holocaust Memorial Centre in Pava Street in Budapest, Balog said when political rivals slung accusations of racism around for political gain this merely harmed the real victims of racism.

Also, when lawmakers in parliament denigrate someone else on the basis of their origin, people must speak up, he said. In the age of the internet, bandying about racist slurs was easier than in the past, he added.

Balog said it was important that the next generation should learn: “we will never form alliances with such ideologies.” At the same time it is essential, he said, to come to an agreement with Jewish organisations on how to teach the history of the Holocaust in a worthy and fair manner.

He noted that the history of the Roma had been included in the national curriculum for the first time under new education legislation.

Balog also emphasised that the founding of the Holocaust Memorial Centre had been at the initiative of the first government of Viktor Orban (1998-2002), and when the centre opened in 2004, officials of Fidesz, then in opposition, had attended.

Today’s event was also addressed by 105-year-old Elza Brandeisz, who earlier received a Righteous Among the Nations award for saving the life of the mother of philanthropist Gyorgy Soros. In a video link, she said it had been natural to help people in trouble.

Also present was former chief rabbi of Hungary Jozsef Schweitzer.

The Council of the Righteous and the Holocaust Public Foundation established on the occasion of the 100th birth anniversary of Wallenberg an award for Hungarians who saved the lives of others. The award was created after consultations with Yad Vashem, to be given to Hungarians not meeting criteria for the Righteous Among the Nations title, mostly due to a lack of surviving witnesses.

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  • Magyar

    “He noted that the history of the Roma had been included in the national curriculum ”

    Why should Hungarians give a fck about the history of Roma?
    Do Roma even have a history?

    • Pete H.

      “Do Roma even have a history?”

      Only an idiot would pose such a question.

      • Magyar

        Ok then, name me the following.

        Famous Gypsy Kings.
        Famous gypsy battles.
        A gypsy country.
        Famous gypsy composers.
        Famous gypsy artists.

        They have a history of sticking their heads in the asses of Hungarians and feeding off our excrement.

        • Magyar

          Gypsies have as much history as a tapeworm does.

        • Pete H.

          For a start: -http://www.imninalu.net/famousGypsies.htm

          And if you actually read and knew your Hungarian history, you would know that Roma have served and are currently serving in the Hungarian armed forces.

          If he wanted to he could read this book for starters. But, he is simple-minded fool so he will stick with his bigoted preconceptions.

          A History of the Gypsies of Eastern Europe and Russia [Hardcover]
          David M. Crowe
          Publisher: Palgrave Macmillan; First Edition edition (January 15, 1995)
          ISBN-10: 0312086911
          ISBN-13: 978-0312086916

          “Crowe, a historian and scholar who has previously edited a collection of conference papers on this topic, places the Gypsy experience within the context of the development of six nations-Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Russia, and Yugoslavia. Crowe has extensively documented his study, relying upon standard histories, documents, and recently identified sources from the region in many languages. He seeks to present both the contribution of the Gypsies to each nation examined as well as the prejudice they experienced there. He makes the point that until Gypsies are treated more fairly, mistrust between them and other citizens will continue to block their integration into national life. This useful work has a place in regional and larger collections.”

          Roma Leaders – here is one example.

          Juscelino Kubitschek de Oliveira
          (Diamantina, Minas Gerais, 12/9/1902 – Resende, Rio de Janeiro, 22/7/1976)

          President of Brazil (31/1/1956-31/1/1961), for the Social Democratic Party (moderate left). His grandfather was a Czech Rom, Jan Kubíček, born in Třeboň, Bohemia. During his government there were not prisoners of conscience. JK (as he is usually known) transformed Brazil into an industrial power, founded the automotive industry and developed the construction of roads throughout the nation. His best known achievement was the foundation of Brasília, the new capital, on April 21st 1960. President Kubitschek publicly acknowledged his Romany origin, and he often invited Roma representatives to dinner at the Presidential Residence.

          • Magyar

            And why should we Hungarians care or give a shit about this?
            I myself dont give a flying fck.
            Why don’t they teach history of Congo and Somalia in Hungarian schools, its as relevant.

            No, instead they should teach them everything about Trianon, Horthy and related things, that way we will have a new generation of indoctrinated and patriotic youth :D

            But seriously though, how %*£(%%ng dare they teach minority history to Hungarians?
            They dont teach pakistani or Polish History in the UK.
            They dont teach African history in the Netherlands (apart from the colonies).
            They dont teach history of the Turks (apart from when the Germans were involved) in Germany.

            It is outrageous how they teach immigrant history to the indigenous people.

  • Curious George

    It’s not a sin to label Magyar racist. He’s earned that distinction many times over. He’s a disgrace to Hungary.

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      I hate to agree to you, monkey. But I have to.

  • Magyar

    “On the occasion of the 100th birth anniversary of Raoul Wallenberg, the Swedish diplomat who saved the lives of thousands of J@ws during the Holocaust”

    Ahhahaha, but they forgot to mention the fact that they found 15kg worth of gold in Raoul Wallenberg’s car when he was arrested.

    I wonder where he got that gold from?
    Maybe this “hero” of theirs never cared about the J@ws, maybe he just liked the idea of making lots of money?

    I guess we will never know…..

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      Hm, I didn’t know about this. It’s a very interesting fact indeed. More details here:

      -http://www.thelocal.se/40900/20120518/

    • Pete H.

      You are a self-serving fool. You left out this:

      “Jangfeldt’s book proposes that this was the amassed fortune of many of the Jewish victims Wallenberg had helped, who had left their valuables to their benefactor for safekeeping.

      “The same way that he was saving the Jew’s lives, he also meant to save their valuables. This was a logical part of the rescue operation. He thought the valuables would be safer in Sweden than in Budapest,” Jangfeldt told SvD.
      ”

      Given the extreme risks he took, it is ludicrous for you to suggest all his selfless work was for his own benefit.

      And yes we know. There is a wealth of documented evidence of the type of man he was.

      You on the other case, we already know what type of man you are – a nazi bigot. You bring same to Hungarians.

      • Leto. مؤدّب

        “Given the extreme risks he took, it is ludicrous for you to suggest all his selfless work was for his own benefit.”

        :D :D

        People took much higher risks for a lot less gold.

        • Pete H.

          All you do is smear. Pathetic.

          -http://www.raoulwallenberg.org/

          -http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005211

          -http://www.raoulwallenberg.net/

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            Me? Actually you’re the pathetic one.
            Do these links add anything here? Are they relevant somehow to this interesting detail we have just learnt? :D

            Nope.

          • Pete H.

            They are to counter your diminishment of this great man’s accomplishments. They are to counter your sick suggestion that he did what he did for gold.

            They are there for others to read who do not know much about him and all they get is bullshit from the two top smear campaigners on this site.

            I am sure you are unable to see the relevance because your trade is that of a smear merchant.

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            These links don’t counter that “Swedish diplomat Raoul Wallenberg had at least 15 kilogrammes of gold and jewellery in his car when the Red Army arrested him in 1945″

            Now the issue is to uncover many more facts, of course. Is it “only” 15 kgs of gold he collected? Why and how, under what conditions and from whom? What happened to this wealth? If he gathered more gold then where is the rest of it?
            People should know what actually happened in fact. Or do you think propaganda, which fits your views, ought to take precedence over truth? :D

    • Viking

      Magyar says:
      August 6, 2012 at 1:32 pm

      I wonder where he got that gold from?
      —

      If there was any gold, yes
      As with Wallenberg nothing is proven, no 1st hand witnesses, nothing

      According to the book, which ‘magyar’ never read (he cannot read complicated text):
      “The same way that he was saving the Jew’s lives, he also meant to save their valuables. This was a logical part of the rescue operation. He thought the valuables would be safer in Sweden than in Budapest,” said Jangfeldt the Swedish author

      Given history, Wallenberg was correct in that assumption
      If he ever made it

      • Magyar

        Yeah, “saving their valuables”, sure :D
        How long was he planning to “look after” their valuables? I bet his whole life :D

        Something doesn’t quite add up, he saved 10s of thousands of Jews, but altogether they ONLY had 15kg of Gold as their valuables?
        Something doesn’t sound right.

      • Magyar

        Yeah, “saving their valuables”, sure
        How long was he planning to “look after” their valuables? I bet his whole life

        Something doesn’t quite add up, he saved 10s of thousands of J@ws, but altogether they ONLY had 15kg of Gold as their valuables?
        Something doesn’t sound right.

        • Pete H.

          @Csúnya Maygar

          Most of their valuable were stolen, which is very well documented in the “Gold Train” and the numerous documents produced by Szálasi’s Government and the Nazi’s.

          Most of the J*ws Wallenberg saved had been confined to the J*wish Ghetto. The J*ws interned their had been striped of most of their possessions and certainly anything of value.

          You do not know your Hungarian history and you make baseless speculations based on your ignorance.

  • Saleh O’Regan

    Balog is right, the truth might hurt but you may never label someone a racist if all he does is telling the truth.

    Reality is: Hungarians and gypsies, they’re cut from the same cloth. If one is a whoring criminal, the other is a stealing liar and vise versa. Of course there will be some exceptions but you can count them on one hand.

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      Are you an Irish J@w?

      • Magyar

        Why do you care if he is? What difference does it make to a proclaimed j@w lover like you?

        • Saleh O’Regan

          I am from Zahle originally, but I live in Den Haag for the last 2 years. I have spent several weeks in Hungary lately for my job and I can tell you that my experiences were no good. I have never lived in a country with a roma problem (the places were I lived have other problems) but from what I saw in Hungary you can’t blame the others to be not honest if there’s corruption in every layer of Hungarian society.

          • Tommy

            I have lived 14 years in Hungary and I have never encountered a Roma problem. This does not mean that I have not been cheated or stolen from, but those that I know of were all Magyar.

            - Apartment broken in to, the drunk the Police caught (one of the few crimes they have solved) was Magyar.
            - Before I knew any better, I got tricked twice by pirate taxis. Both of them, Magyar drivers.
            - When buying newly built apartment, the company that built the house went “bankrupt” and left the apartment owners hanging without warranty repairs. This happened twice, with our first apartment and the one we live in now. My story is far from the only one. All the cheating house builders we came into contact with were Magyar.
            - Where we live now, the janitor committed fraud and forgery and made it off with ft. 2.5 million – by presenting falsified bank statements, we ended up with a lot of unpaid utility bills and other bills. Our house was one of five he worked and in total he managed to steal ft. 20 million. He and his partners are being investigated by the police, but the money is gone. The perpetrators, all Magyar.
            - In the house where my mother-in-law lives, the house board skimmed from the accounts, e.g. by agreeing with a mobile phone operator to have an antenna set up on the roof and having the payments transferred directly to a private account. All three of them, Magyar.
            - The house board at a friend’s house also skimmed from the accounts. All three, Magyar too.
            - In 2002, I had a visiting friend abducted from the 14th district at gun-point to a strip club in the 7th district. We had to pay ft. 100,000 ransom to get him out. The Police said that there was nothing they could do, because the gun was probably gone and all the strippers would testify that he had been spending his whole evening in the club. Again, Magyar all-stars!

            These are just a few of the crimes I have first-hand knowledge of. Then of course, there are all the Magyars in government (over the past 22 years) who are well known for corruption and shady business dealings.

            My car has been broken in to twice in the past ten years. Even if the unknown purpetrators should happen to be Roma, it still seems to me that Hungary has a much much bigger Magyar problem!

          • …justasking

            @Tommy,

            How do you know that all these perps were ‘Magyar’, or are you simply assuming??

            Oh, after you explain to me, what a ‘Magyar’ is first of course.

          • Viking

            …justasking says:
            August 8, 2012 at 9:09 am

            Oh, after you explain to me, what a ‘Magyar’ is first of course
            —

            Ohh, that must be simple:
            * A ‘Magyar’ is every one who is not a ‘R*m*’ or a ‘J*w’

            Given the heritage of both ‘magyar’ and Csanad the latter two is of course a bit hard to discover and may change over time, but otherwise the rest are ‘Magyars’

            Well, if they are not foreigners, of course
            But some live abroad and never ever been in Hungary, but are still ‘Magyars’

          • Tiszta Magyar

            Are you still harping on about this you Moron?
            I am a real Tiszta Magyar.

            I am a Magyar.
            I will always be a Magyar.
            I will die a Magyar.

          • Viking

            Tiszta Magyar says:
            August 10, 2012 at 7:34 pm

            I will die a Magyar
            —

            I suppose Csanad thought that a few years back also, but look what fate had stored for him

          • Tiszta Magyar

            He always knew that he was J@wish.
            If you have a grandmother with a last name Klein and who survived Auschwitz, you can be sure she is J@wish!

            He just covered it up for a career in Politics, but I bet he always knew.

            Also, he is only 25% J@wish, he is still 75% Magyar which counts more, but he chose his 25% side.

            I am a Tiszta Magyar, I know I am.

            Like I said before, you are just a moron troll, only here to provoke me and others.

          • Viking

            Tiszta Magyar says:
            August 10, 2012 at 7:45 pm

            He always knew that he was J@wish.
            If you have a grandmother with a last name Klein and who survived Auschwitz, you can be sure she is J@wish!
            —

            The story is that this was the big family secret and Csanad was not told about until a few years ago
            I suppose his anti-J*w*sh statements helped his relatives to inform him (trying not to smile in the process, probably)

            But Good4U your relatives have not told you yet…

          • Tiszta Magyar

            “But Good4U your relatives have not told you yet…”

            They have, they told me that I have distant Slavic heritage, which was disappointing, but no big deal to me.

            And don’t worry Viking, I know that in your sick perverse mind, you really want me to have gypsy ancestry, but I am sorry to disappoint you.

            Maybe its normal in Sweden? You know, Swedish girls just looove African d*ck and I am sure your mother did as well, probably explains why you are such a moron.

            You disgusting parasite, spreading your filthy liberalism to Hungary.

            A typical Swedish family are 2 men in a “Civic partnership” with an adopted Somali kid.

          • Viking

            Tiszta Magyar says:
            August 10, 2012 at 9:04 pm

            they told me that I have distant Slavic heritage, which was disappointing, but no big deal to me
            —

            Yeah, in Sweden the say ‘Finnish relatives’, but omit to mention Finnish R*m*…

          • Tiszta Magyar

            I have seen pictures of them and they werent Roma.

            Face it, I am white and more European than you will ever be.

            And don’t worry Viking, I know that in your sick perverse mind, you really want me to have gypsy ancestry, but I am sorry to disappoint you.

            Maybe its normal in Sweden? You know, Swedish girls just looove African d*ck and I am sure your mother did as well, probably explains why you are such a moron.

            You disgusting parasite, spreading your filthy liberalism to Hungary.

            A typical Swedish family are 2 men in a “Civic partnership” with an adopted Somali kid.

          • Pete H.

            No there is some real lack of self awareness.

            This “You disgusting parasite, spreading your filthy liberalism to Hungary.”

            was preceded by

            “Maybe its normal in Sweden? You know, Swedish girls just looove African d*ck and I am sure your mother did as well, probably explains why you are such a moron.”

            Tizsta Maygar? Huh, more like Sáros Maygar.

          • …justasking

            @Magyar,

            ‘You know, Swedish girls just looove….’

            Congratulations, for being poli.hu’s…newest sorry ass-ed bottom-feeding pig!

          • Viking

            Tiszta Magyar says:
            August 10, 2012 at 9:19 pm

            Face it, I am white and more European than you will ever be
            —

            Should I remind you about white-skinned and blue eyed R*m*a?
            Or Csanad, you obviously did not spot that J*w, but most likely voted for him in the Elections for the European Parliament

            So, you see, seeing is not everything, but do keep up the beliefs!

            To your entertainment, I include this link, from one of the most popular comedy-shows in Sweden the last years
            Here you may have all your stereotypes of Swedish women come through
            -http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81183441/

            And yes, it is correct they *always* sing the Swedish National Anthem when screwing a black guy, you seriously did not know that?

            NB. This version has cation in English for you lesser knowledgeable who does not know the language of the Brave And Courageous

          • Magyar

            The J@w in him is visible:
            -http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2012/07/02/285623-csanad-szegedi.jpg

            He always looked dodgy.

            And are you proud of that video? Sick freak.
            Get out of Hungary, and spread your disease somewhere else, parasite troll!

          • Viking

            Magyar says:
            August 11, 2012 at 1:31 pm

            The J@w in him is visible
            —

            Yes, must be his brown eyes and dark hair

  • Viking

    Magyar says:
    August 6, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    It is outrageous how they teach immigrant history to the indigenous people
    —

    ‘magyar’ has found a new word in his dictionary ‘”indigenous” people’

    Not that ‘magyar’ understand what it means, then calling Magyars for ‘indigenous people’ is very funny
    It is like calling Vikings the ‘indigenous people’ of Britain…

    On the other hand, was it not ‘magyar’ who stated that the American ‘indigenous people’ (aka Indians) did no useful to today’s US, but it was the immigrant Europeans who fixed up that country?

    Comparing one set of ‘indigenous people’ with another set of ‘indigenous people’, that would then be the Slavs and Germans who got this country in order, then?

    Hhmm, thinking of it, maybe the ‘TisztaMagyars’ have taken over the helm at the moment?
    That would also explain the current situation…

    • Pete H.

      Csúnya Maygar is an ignoramus.

      Native American Contributions
      -ftp://ftp-fc.sc.egov.usda.gov/MI/AI/ContributionsByAmericanIndians.pdf

      • Magyar

        None of that would have been acomplished had it not been for Europeans.

        • Pete H.

          So things accomplished by Native Americans before Europeans arrived could not have occurred without Europeans?

          How stupid are you?

          • Magyar

            I will be honest I havent read the list, as it doesnt work on my phone.
            I will read it tomorrow, and I better not be dissappointed like last time when you posted Gypsy women “achievements”

          • Pete H.

            I really don’t care if you are disappointed. You make absolute statements about entire groups of people. You are a racist and a disgrace to your username.

            And thanks for going on the record that you make comments about things you haven’t even read. Real winner.

    • Viking

      Actually, it just gets more funnier, then ‘magyar’ in this thread claims that just Magyars are the result of continued cross-breeding:

      -http://www.politics.hu/20120806/jobbik-lawmaker-csanad-szegedi-meets-rabbi-after-discovering-jewish-roots/#comment-116148

      Yes, ‘indigenous people’ that has been extensively cross-bred over the place
      And None of them were Roma…or a J*w…

      • Magyar

        You idiot.
        I never said ” Magyars are the result of continued cross-breeding”

        We are Magyars with a hint of Slavic and Germanic influx. The Core nation and identity is Hungarian.

        You sound like resulted from “extensive cross breeding” between a J*w and a gypsy.

        • Viking

          Magyar says:
          August 7, 2012 at 2:14 pm

          We are Magyars with a hint of Slavic and Germanic influx. The Core nation and identity is Hungarian
          —

          Given that ‘Magyars’ were probably a very ‘inclusive’ bunch of tribes, who allowed others to join them on a ‘pay as you ride’-basis, the mixing was part and parcel of the Magyar way of life and key to their survival

          There even exists reports that H*br*w detachments rode with the bunch who entered the Carpathian Basin about 1250 years ago
          Maybe even some far relative to a certain Hungarian MEP?

          What no one can take away from the Magyars is that they managed to keep their specific language alive for so many years, other parts of the culture is though very much the same as their current neighbours

          • Magyar

            The H*br*w detachment you are probably referring to were the Kabars, who were Turkic people who refused to be converted to J*udaism.

            And Our culture is the same/similar as our neighbours, because we ruled them for 1000 years.

            Its like when idiots say, “Hungarians are similar to Slovaks, therefore Hungarians are Slavs in denial”.
            Bullshit, its the other way around.

            For reference
            -http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Physical_map_of_the_Kingdom_of_Hungary_before_1919.jpg

            Off course we left cultural marks on our neighbouring countries.

          • Viking

            Magyar says:
            August 7, 2012 at 5:23 pm

            And Our culture is the same/similar as our neighbours, because we ruled them for 1000 years
            —

            Yes, the Ottomans and the Habsburgs were all very well known ‘Magyars’

            Funny that they, like your neighbours, do not speak Hungarian?

  • Liz Aucoin

    This is a pathetic and disgusting depiction of Hungarians right here! I am truly ashamed to have roots in a country and share a side walk with you disgusting people! You may impress your racist neighbors, but those of us who oppose your hatred are not convinced by your disgusting words. You are an embarassment!

    • Pete H.

      Liz, the “Hungarians” like Leto and Maygar hardly represent all Hungarians.

      I was very happy to share the sidewalk with Hungarians, J*ws, Roma, and all others that were not stuck in a 1930′s mentality.

    • Magyar

      Did your “Hungarian” ancestors run away from Hungary during the White Terror to escape the White Guard?

  • olga

    @ Liz

    re: ” I am truly ashamed to have roots in a country and share a side walk with you disgusting people! ”

    You sound pretty disgusting yourself – try to concentrate on the majority of Hungarians because your posting reflects the true spirit of JOBBIK

    • …justasking

      @Olga,

      ‘You sound pretty disgusting yourself..’

      From your lips, to God’s ears!

  • wolfi

    @Pete and Olga:

    Why don’t you just let Liz, HHsomething, leto, Magyar and all the other Horthy- and AH-fans slug it out for a while – it’s almost funny …

    • …justasking

      @wolfi,

      Oh…no…did your ‘IVino’ needle come loose again?

  • Kent Kilpatrick

    ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY!

    Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

    The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

    Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

    What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

    How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

    And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

    But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

    They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

    • Viking

      Kent Kilpatrick says:
      August 7, 2012 at 9:57 pm

      problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries
      —

      Pls lead the way for our Exodus!
      I can recommend some nice neighbourhood in Lagos, Nigeria, or maybe Johannesburg, South Africa would be something for you

      Pls do not forget to update us here on your progress and I promise we will sincerely debate on how to follow your example

  • Liz Aucoin

    I am not going to participate in this stupidity. I felt that by letting you know how disgusting you all sound, calling each other racist names, making all the assumptions about who is leftist and who is right wing, is rediculous because it makes you all wrong in my eyes. As for Olga, she is no better, comparing me to Jobbik. Why? Because she cannot differentiate between my disgust of the people commenting on this forum and the Hungarian people in general. Wolfi, you may feel you are different than the others here, but you are not. My comment was to all of you who think your opinion is superior to others but show your ignorance with the hateful banter.

    • …justasking

      @Liz,

      Is anybody holding a gun to your head to stay here on poli.hu?

      If not, piss off!

  • olga

    @ Liz

    re:

    re: ” As for Olga, she is no better, comparing me to Jobbik. Why? Because she cannot differentiate between my disgust of the people commenting on this forum and the Hungarian people in general. ”

    You are absolutely right and answered your own question BTW, if you can “differentiate” after re-reading your own posting than you have a much better command of the English language than I have.

  • This ‘n That

    One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

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