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August 10th, 2012

Orbán world’s worst prime minister with highest salary, says Socialist MP

Viktor Orbán is one of the world’s worst prime ministers but still one of the most “expensive” political leaders, as his income is eight times the average and only US President Barack Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin receive relatively higher salaries, Socialist spokesman Zsolt Török told reporters in Budapest on Thursday.

He said Orbán’s salary amounts to Ft 100 million over four years.

The change of image for state media absorbs just as much, he continued, adding that state media could have kept 50 recently dismissed employees with that money.

The government also spends an unacceptable amount, Ft 100 million, on political advisors “from the edges of football grounds,” Török asserted.

In response, Fidesz spokeswoman Gabriella Selmeczi noted that Török approved the prime ministerial income as a member of the previous Parliament.

She added that the salary of the National Bank governor is eight times that of the president of the US Federal Reserve.

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  • Sally

    You could improve your image Mr. Orban. Here’s how:

    1. Donate all your wealth to charity.
    2. Lower your salary to HUF 47,000 and show us how to live on that.
    3. Take the rest of your term off, go fishing.

    Please don’t forget to pay my consulting fee of HUF 100 million for the above advice. So long.

    • Ma Jar

      So, what did the others earn? Did Gyurcsan earn less but if he earned as much or more did he donate all his wealth to charity? The vast majority of leaders are hardly paupers, they are well paid – period!

      • Viking

        Ma Jar says:
        August 10, 2012 at 3:23 pm

        Did Gyurcsan earn less but if he earned as much or more did he donate all his wealth to charity?

        Gyurcsány went on the record in 2004, I think it was, that he was donating all his PM salary to charity
        I do not know if he did that until 2009, when he quit, but it was supposed to be for a prolonged period

        Gyurcsány’s reason was that he earned enough anyway, like 80 MHUF dividends yearly from his companies
        This was of course taken as a bad sign by Fidesz/”Jobbik”, then it just meant he stole so much he did not need the token salary
        So in politics you can just not do it right…

        • spectator

          “I do not know if he did that until 2009″

          Has done it during the whole time.

          Funny coincidence, though, after that infamous “National Debt Found” – or whatever the correct name of it – has started, someone asked the PM’s office, just how much Mr.Orban has contributed to the found initiated by himself, and the speaker of Mr.Orban answered like: no, but the PM donating to another foundation…

          He hasn’t specified which one, though.

          • Saleh O’Regan

            Orban is the N°1 contributor to the ‘I-fill-my-pockets-and-my-purse-with-treasures-to-take-home’ foundation.

        • Ma Jar

          Yah, and he created his wealth from zero.

          • Viking

            Ma Jar says:
            August 11, 2012 at 3:31 pm

            Yah, and he created his wealth from zero

            Like many in similar positions in Hungary
            1st high up in the Hungarian State, then very rich persons
            Demján Sándor and Csányi Sándor are two names that comes to mind
            Both of them said to fare very well under the current regime

  • Paul

    Viktor Orban is on the list of 10 Most Dangerous Politicians…according to Der Spiegel…and he is the only prime-minister in the list….for what it is worth…but nevertheless a strong indication that this…somehow cheap politician has a point though. (Orbán world’s worst prime minister ) So what did those very expensive advisors actually achieve?

    • Derek

      Orban’s not just dangerous – he’s dangerously crazy, gambling away the future of Hungary to enrich a happy few of his oligarch friends. I know that Orban is the fruit of a long and painful political history, but the last person a country as Hungary needs is a wannabe dictator as Orban who erases all checks and balances to hide the fraudulent practices of his party.

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      Glad to hear your kind consider him dangerous. :)

  • spectator

    “the salary of the National Bank governor is eight times that of the president of the US Federal Reserve.”

    - Outdated info.
    While the lady was busy to defend the pensions, the salary of the MNB has been cut down to 25% of the mentioned sum, obviously the news travel in mysterious ways within the boundaries of Fidesz.

    Even if it’s still quite respectable pay by everyday standards, still a far cry from the income paid for similarly skilled banker.
    Just for comparison: a person called Szijjártó with the well known habit of repeating whatever came to his limited mind, earns quite bit more for his services than the man responsible for the whole MNB, and as such, for the whole country in a certain extent.

    Welcome to Absurdistan!

  • Darwin

    All the people in Der Spiegel’s list are a menace for democracy, but Viktor Orban is the only one who has unlimited power. I think it says a lot about Hungarians, putting their country in the hands of a power addict as Orban.

  • Derek

    Der Spiegel called Orban dangerous. I consider him dangerously crazy, and so do everybody who is not brainwashed by Fidesz demagogy. You’ll see, Hungary will suffer a very long time due to all Fidesz decisions.
    But to quote Andreas Treichl, Erste’s CEO: “The world does not need Hungary. It’s the other way around.”

    • Magyar

      I agree, Fidesz are a bunch of crazy nutters, Jobbik must win soon!

      • Bethlen Gabi

        Only the Szebb Jövőért Polgárőr Egyesület can save this country from shame, humiliation and further degradation. It’s time to pick up the arms and fight for our rights!

        • Viking

          An example on “to pick up the arms and fight for our rights!” can be found in:
          -http://thecontrarianhungarian.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/we-attacked-the-gypsies-and-we-are-proud-of-it-extreme-right-demonstration-gets-violent-in-devecser-hungary/

          Truly a proud time for Fidesz utilizing its 2/3rd majority in Hungary

          • Zed

            Fidesz never keep their promises, so you can be sure that they’ll do nothing against the hate crimes against minorities. Orban just want to change the laws to be able to steal the country blind and make sure that he’ll not go to prison if ever he falls out of grace and his many criminal acts are brought to court. That’s all what Fidesz policies have been about since they have complete majority.

        • Pete H.

          A little more of the call for militant action on this site.

          Who do want to kill Gabi?

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            “Who do want to kill Gabi?”

            What sentence is that? Is English your native tongue??

          • Pete H.

            Ich verstehe Sie nicht.

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            Es ist wirklich bedauernswert dass Sie mich nicht verstehen. Ich schlage vor, dass Sie zumindest einmal Ihre eigene Muttersprache lernen. Versuchen Sie nicht mit Sprachen anzugeben, die Sie nicht beherrschen!

          • AbrahamGoldberg

            Leto, you learnt German so you could read the original Mein Kampf you stupid Nazi?

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            Is it a very J@wish thing to think if you speak German then you’re a Nazi? In fact these days Israel is much more like Nazi Germany than modern Germany…

  • Ma Jar

    A goldfish would make better comments than most of you children do!

    • Magyar

      Ok Ma Jar, good comment btw! :D

  • Pa jar

    My guess is that Orban has an IQ of 75-80 which makes him also world’s dumbest prime minister with the highest salary.

    • Pjotr

      I think he’s just mentally ill. Wasn’t he treated in a Swiss institute some years ago?

      • Leto. مؤدّب

        @rotten postcommie bastard:

        No. According to the postcommie (false) urban legends, he was treated in an Austrian one. You should really know the MSZP propaganda better.

        • Jeroen

          Hello Leto, I’m new at this forum but as I’ll move to Hungary soon for my company I have been reading quite a bit about the situation in your country in the Dutch media. From what I understand, Orban has done anything he could with his 2/3 majority to limit the freedom of press and justice, has removed checks and balances and has installed his own people in all important functions for the next decades.
          If I read your posts here, you’ll probably tell me to mind my own business and to look at Wilders, but the big difference is that Wilders does not have any majority or unlimited powers. All checks and balances are still intact here. As you are a big defender of the current government, I’m just curious if you can point out any valuable changes they have made that serve the Hungarian democracy and economy. Thanks for time and answer, Jeroen.

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            From what I understand you feed on postcommie-left lib propaganda and you are most probably be spoon-fed by newspaper/TV stories how xenophobia, racism, fascism and whatever went on rampage here in Hungary, how Orbán limited the freedom of press and justice and he has removed checks and balances, blah, blah, blah :D
            (Perhaps you’ll change your mind a bit after you’d move here though, provided you’d make an honest effort to break away from the said “news” sources.)
            Valuable changes for the Hungarian democracy? Yeah, for example we’ve got a great new Constitution at last. (If you’re a fag who wants to “marry” here then you won’t appreciate it though. :D )
            Valuable changes for the Hungarian economy?
            Yeah, Hungary was nearly bankrupt when the postcommies were busted in 2010. Now the national debt stopped increasing (currently it stands at 77% as opposed to 82% in 2010) and the budget deficit is under 3% for the first time since the collapse of Communism. Unemployment rate hasn’t increased (it’s 10-11 pc). 1 EUR cost 279 HUF today. Hungary has survived the concentrated political and financial attack last December and this January-February (and the 5 year CDS fell more than 30% since then).

          • Magyar

            Leto can I ask you something?
            Why did Fidesz ban g@y marriage, but at the same time protect them, and make laws to stop discrimination against g@ays?

          • Paul

            Magyar can I ask you something? Would you prefer not to protect them….and what do you not want to protect?…their rights?…their health? ….or even their lives?
            Would you prefer laws to start/encourage discrimination against gays?

          • Magyar

            G@ys get special protection, special rights.
            They are a protected minority.

            Do normal people require thousands of police officers (paid by taxpayers money) to protect them when they walk the streets?

          • Paul

            “Do normal people require thousands of police officers (paid by taxpayers money) to protect them when they walk the streets?”
            You are turning things upside down now again, don’t you? We have been here before.
            First they are threatened…and than you blame the victims of those threats. Blame your soulmates for the “waste” of taxpayers money.
            Normal people do not threathen gays….they have better things to do.

          • Paul

            Sigh….threathen….must be threaten.

          • Magyar

            Normal people don’t want degenerate faggotry polluting their streets.

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            @Magyar:

            Discrimination against anybody is not right. So is not right to spend any taxpayer’s money on protecting the marching of sexual perverts in the centre of Hungary’s capital or to allow this to happen at all, of course.

          • Viking

            Leto. مؤدّب says:
            August 14, 2012 at 2:30 pm

            Discrimination against anybody is not right. So is not right to spend any taxpayer’s money on protecting the marching of sexual perverts

            The Double Act ‘leto/magyar’ just loves Russia and wants it here
            No wonder The Supreme Leader has been called ‘Mini-Putin’

            1st it is the gays who are not allowed to demonstrate, then it will be any opposition to The Supreme Leader
            But para-military organisations will always be allowed to demonstrate and intimidate, as they are today

            Never that ‘leto’ want to disallow para-military thugs from demonstrating, blaming “not right to spend any taxpayer’s money on protecting the marching of”

            On the other hand, the Fidesz-controlled Police just allows open aggression on minorities, like in this report:
            -http://thecontrarianhungarian.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/we-attacked-the-gypsies-and-we-are-proud-of-it-extreme-right-demonstration-gets-violent-in-devecser-hungary/

          • Anonymous

            @ Magyar, Leto

            You still didn’t answer my question though, would appreciate an honest answer…(no moderation to speak of anyway, is there?)…so an honest reply please.

            Would you prefer not to protect them….and what do you not want to protect?…their rights?…their health? ….or even their lives?

            Hi Leto…hope you enjoyed your holiday…(sincerely)
            Would like to ask you the same actually.

          • Paul

            Grr…it is one of THOSE days…sorryyyyy….it was me who wrote this.

          • Magyar

            Paul, you are so right!
            We should protect their health, which is why we should try to find a cure for their disease.
            I am hearing you loud and clear Paul, gays are poor diseased people that need our help to make their health better.

            Look, if Gays want to protect themselves, they should create their own ‘Buzi csendőrség” or ‘Buzi Gárda”.

            If we are going to have the police protecting them, then we should also have the police protecting far right protesters.

            But the thing is Paul, being right wing is part of Hungarian culture, being Gay is not.

            Nationalists are not alien to us, while gays are.

            SO, to sum it up for you, gays should get the same protection villagers get in Borsod-Abaúj-Zemplén, while is none at all. They should be left to fend to themselves.

            But it would be even better if they went somewhere else for example, since seeing gays lowers the health state of the average citizen.
            Our children should not be forced gay men wearing lipstic and a mankini having anal sex in broad daylight on Hősök tere.

          • Magyar

            Our children should not be forced to watch*

          • Paul

            @ Jeroen

            @ Jeroen

            I am Dutch too. Jeroen, I think Leto made a valid point advising you to look into the stuff without prejudice. Find out on your own. Hungary is still a great country, which deserves a better future.
            Would like to know your opinion about the approach towards the so called “fags”…which are meant to be gay-people. (See discussion above)
            Good luck in Hungary.

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            @Paul:

            “and what do you not want to protect?…their rights?”

            Yeah, I wouldn’t want to protect “Gay Pride marchings” through the city at the taxpayers’ expense. Police resources should be spent better than guarding these provocative events.
            You may consider to be their right to wriggle in the streets but I don’t.

            PS: Thanks, I’ve had a great holiday. Did you notice? :D

          • Viking

            Leto. مؤدّب says:
            August 14, 2012 at 3:23 pm

            Police resources should be spent better than guarding these provocative events

            So people who have their heads smashed in by homofobic friends of ‘leto/magyar’ should have no right to
            * protection
            * health care
            * insurance payments due to disability from above, including surviving relatives
            * due process for their attackers

            Just a ‘street-level’ justice, where the strongest bully wins
            A very nice Germany in the 30s retro perspective for Hungary in the future

            Seems like ‘leto’ is agreeing with ‘magyar’ for the need for some civil war in Hungary

        • Paul

          @ Leto
          “Thanks, I’ve had a great holiday. Did you notice?”
          Guess so…I sort of like you….eh sometimes….like the way you unmask hypocrisy….eh often….you make valid points every now and than. You are an opponent every now and than. Sooooooooooo….smile… Fair enough?

  • Paul

    @ Magyar…and by the way…it is not so happy that you call yourself Magyar, now it looks like you own the title……..thank god there are a lot and I mean a lot ! of very different Magyars around.

  • Jeroen1

    Thanks for your answers. I’ll certainly read some more to understand the situation better.
    PS: Is it normal that I can only reply after one hour on this forum? I constantly get the message that I am posting too fast, while I only made one post?

    • Leto. مؤدّب

      ” I’ll certainly read some more to understand the situation better.”

      Yup, that’s the best you can do. And you should diversify your information sources a lot. If you’ve got no, or very little, background info (say about who says things and why, their social networks and other motives) then be prepared for some surprises.
      Your compatriot Paul has already had that experience on this site a couple of times, just ask him. :)

      ” Is it normal that I can only reply after one hour on this forum? I constantly get the message that I am posting too fast, while I only made one post?”

      Well, that happens here. The blog engine isn’t so great, to say the least. Just try reposting half a minute later and it ought to work.

    • Magyar

      Jeroen, I recommend these websites for the absolute truth:
      -http://kuruc.info/
      -http://www.hungarianambiance.com/

      • Leto. مؤدّب

        @Jeroen:

        kuruc.info, edited by a Jobbik MP, is the worst kind of far-right, racist s*** one can possibly imagine. Don’t waste your time with it.
        hungarianambiance is a site close to Jobbik (the far-right opposition of the conservative right wing government) but it’s readable.

        • Magyar

          ” edited by a Jobbik MP”
          Never has been proven.

          “hungarianambiance is a site close to Jobbik”
          Not true, they simply write the truth.

          What about Magyar Nemzet Leto, do you recommend it for Jeoren? I hear Magyar Nemzet has no bias in it whatsoever, LOL

          • Leto. مؤدّب

            No, I don’t recommend it to Jeroen because I doubt he would speak Hungarian.

    • Curious George

      @Jeroen1 – On a side note, stay away from Hungarian women while you’re here. While their beauty and charm are legendary, you’ll find people like NB Magyar don’t appreciate you stealing “their” women. You’ll find that he won’t be so helpful & friendly if he ever finds out that you’ve got a Magyar partner (girl or guy). Paul, Viking & Wolfi are already on NB Magyar’s hit list :) .

      • Magyar

        “if he ever finds out that you’ve got a Magyar partner (girl or guy)”

        If its a guy I dont mind, as long as he takes him to the Netherlands afterwards. 1 less fag in Hungary to worry about.

        • Paul

          @ Magyar
          “1 less fag in Hungary to worry about”…buuuuuuuuut we are worried about neo-nazis….not fags. So called fags are harmless.
          I will tell you a secret though…..don’t tell anyone else, promise?
          Types like me…so called ”left wing liberals”…but it gets worse, social democrats…and Christian democrats…and wow even some conservative people like me….we are only talking to you…and your soul-mates, to keep you of the streets. To keep you busy. Because we think your types are actually, dangerous. Sleep well, nevertheless.

          • Paul

            @ Magyar,
            Forgot to add…..one of those days, sigh…I mean….it is a bloody conspiracy. But do not tell anyone else.

          • Magyar

            Gays are dangerous Paul, they are a danger to society.
            By doing their obscene acts, such as gay sex on Hősök tere or Széchenyi Chain Bridge in Broad daylight.

            “Men” wearing lipstic and womens clothes prancing around Budapest in Broad daylight. Children can see this. What do you think they will think when they see it?

            Dont forget Paul, that the majority of Paedophiles are homosexuals. Peadophilia and Homosexuality go hand in hand.

            An increasing gay presence will cause men to look like this:
            -http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/10/14/1287075208348/Lost-hipster-007.jpg

            -http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/hipster-sunglasses-2.jpg?w=500&h=682

            while society should look more like this
            -http://w.kuruc.org/galeriaN/hir/254_kitartas_gyozunk.jpg (this one is a bit of a joke to see your reaction)

            -http://erdely.ma/ujkepek/2011/11/nagy/7270848.jpg

          • Viking

            Magyar says:
            August 14, 2012 at 4:59 pm

            “Men” wearing lipstic and womens clothes prancing around Budapest in Broad daylight. Children can see this. What do you think they will think when they see it?

            ‘Mama, I want to be Gay!’, that is what all children will immediately say

            ‘magyar’ has obviously never had any smaller sisters or brothers and only seen children on “Jobbik’s”-posters for creating the Super-Magyar Race

        • Cnut

          Oh, Magyar, you’re quite funny. Hungarian girls love foreigners! Summer here is great if you’re a foreigner. Maybe you should complain to the girls, rather than to the foreigners.

          • Magyar

            Its not about girls marrying foreigners.

            Hungarian girls are quite famous abroad (rightfully so), so these Westeners come to Hungary “wife hunting”. But that part is not what annoys me the most.

            Its when the Westeners whisk their Hungarian wives back to their countries, their children will most likely not be able to speak Hungarian, and wont even care about their Hungarian roots. Thats what pisses me off.

          • Viking

            Magyar says:
            August 14, 2012 at 5:18 pm

            Its when the Westeners whisk their Hungarian wives back to their countries, their children will most likely not be able to speak Hungarian

            But if those rotten Communists had not changed the laws, then these children would not have been Hungarians even:

            Before October 1st , 1957:

            Ø a child became a Hungarian citizen only if his legitimate father was a Hungarian citizen. The child of a Hungarian mother and a non-Hungarian father didn’t become Hungarian citizen by birth.

            Ø If the child was born out of wedlock (extramarital birth) and the mother had Hungarian citizenship, the child became Hungarian citizen. But if later on the child was recognized by a non-Hungarian father, he/she could have lost her/his citizenship.

            Life was better under Horthy, was it not?

            When will “Jobbik” start to demand these old rules, so Hungary can be cleansed out of half-breeds (like my children)?

          • Magyar

            Why are you always such an asshole?
            I never said I have problem with European half breeds.
            Theres plenty of Magyar-Slovaks, Magyar-Romanians, Magyar-Serbs, and as long as they see themselves as Hungarian, I am fine with it.

            Now answer me these questions, “Viking”.
            Do your children know about their Hungarian heritage?
            Can they speak Hungarian?
            Do they care, or are interested in Hungary?

            Or do you simply just shove Thor and Odin down their throats, hoping they will become 100% Swedish as soon as possible?

            And I just want to check, is your wife Hungarian, or Gypsy?
            And when you spoke about those blonde and blue eyed Nordic Roma, were you talking about Swedish-Gypsy half breeds (possibly your children?)?
            I dont want to insult, I am just curious.

          • Curious George

            Its when the Westeners whisk their Hungarian wives back to their countries, their children will most likely not be able to speak Hungarian, and wont even care about their Hungarian roots. Thats what pisses me off.

            @NBM – Why should you be pissed off if they don’t care about their Hungarian roots? It’s their life, not yours. They may be more ashamed of their Hungarian roots, and more proud of their “other” roots because of people like you. Why don’t you turn your country into a positive model, instead of complaining incessantly like a racist, nazi loser. Then, maybe, just maybe, they might show some interest in their Hungarian roots. In any case, if you speak of the Hungarian children here, I’ve had more than 1000 students in Hungary, and a very large number have indicated that they want to leave Hungary. Looks like you Hungarians aren’t doing a good job making them proud even if they grow up here. I don’t try to stop them, but, on the contrary encourage them to see the world, and bring back positive lessons for Hungary. Just this month, I’ve been helping an ex-student who’s planning a move (to my jungle, of all places) with his Hungarian fiance. He’s even learning jungle talk, courtesy of me arranging lessons here in Budapest, with one of my Narnian countrywomen who was “stolen” by a real Magyar. :D

          • Viking

            Magyar says:
            August 14, 2012 at 5:37 pm

            * Do your children know about their Hungarian heritage?
            A: Never asked them

            * Can they speak Hungarian?
            A: I do not speak Hungarian, so how can I know if it is Hungarian they speak, but in their exams its normally says the Hungarian equivalent of number 5 (at least I am told so), so I hope they pick up some at school?

            * Do they care, or are interested in Hungary?
            A: Never asked them

            * Or do you simply just shove Thor and Odin down their throats, hoping they will become 100% Swedish as soon as possible?
            A: I may have mentioned Valhalla, not sure Tor and Odin though. I definitely mentioned Särimner (Sæhrímnir for you pagans) several times, then that is a very Good Picture of Paradise for me

            * And I just want to check, is your wife Hungarian, or Gypsy?
            A: Honestly, how do I tell?
            Could you please borrow your copy ‘How To Prove A Tiszta Magyar’? It seems always to be out in the local “Jobbik” bookshop. I suppose you need to show your member card to get on the prio-list

      • Paul

        @Curious George
        “Paul, Viking & Wolfi are already on NB Magyar’s hit list ”
        Shiiiit…now Jeroen will not come over there. Thank youuuuuu!

        • Magyar

          Paul I am still waiting for a response from my posts at
          3:10 pm and 4:59 pm

          Thank you.

          • Paul

            @ Magyar

            I take a shortcut…

            “Our children should not be forced gay men wearing lipstic and a mankini having anal sex in broad daylight on Hősök tere.”…are they forced??? …to see that???…oh my…who is forcing them? I would right away go to the police because we can not tolerate that. To the POLICE
            Our finance minister is gay and very well respected. VO Orban meets Elio di Rupo, prime-minister of Belgium every now and than. He is gay. They shake hands. Something wrong here?

        • Curious George

          @Paul – Relax dude! Actually, I meant to write shitlist.
          But, in any case, do you really think Jeroen would be afraid to be on the hit list of a Magyar eunuch, especially one whom you keep glued to his computer, off the streets, and away from the girls? :) I’m not sure NB has seen the sun all this summer.

          • Magyar

            Relax Monkey, your time will come when you will be booted back to your jungle along with your parasitic monkey family.

            Who the hell do you think you are, immigrating to Hungary, and then insult the locals? Not to mention brainwashing them to leave it.

          • Curious George

            @NBM – I don’t need to brainwash anyone. You’re doing a fine job on your own, and most have made up their minds to leave long before they even met me. I admit, some do want to see and experience what I’ve talked about in class. Seeing me in Budapest with my family, emphasizes the fact that the world & other people are really not that different from Hungarians. Like us, if you cut yourself, you bleed; If I slap you, you’ll yelp in pain; and if I kicked your balls, you’ll…. oh, I’m sorry,……just forget I even mentioned that.
            btw – Did I mention that there are 100 times more Hungarians in my jungle than my monkey buddies are over here? It gives new twist as to who is the parasite now, right? I guess real magyars prefer swinging in the jungle, instead of listening to nutters like Vona, the Garda morons, and you running about in the puszta, claiming to defend Hungary against imaginary enemies ala Don Quixote. Say, after you kick me out, are you going to bring back those magyars from the jungle, and try to re-educate them like they did in Cambodia?

          • Magyar

            Why are you even in Hungary, if your Jungle (I am beginning to think the UK) is so amazing?

          • Magyar

            Actually no, you said Non western before, my bad.
            At least tell us if you are Asian, black, J@wish or whatever, see how big your balls are now, monkey.

          • Curious George

            At least tell us if you are Asian, black, J@wish or whatever,…………..

            @NBM – Would it make any difference to you?

  • Paul

    I constantly get the message that I am posting too fast,

    LOL…and it was your first and only comment.

  • Magyar

    @Viking, there is no Leto/Magyar double act, since Leto despises me, LOL :D

    @Paul”@ Magyar…and by the way…it is not so happy that you call yourself Magyar, now it looks like you own the title……..thank god there are a lot and I mean a lot ! of very different Magyars around.”

    Paul, do you want to create a new nickname for me? One so people know its me, I worked long and hard to get myself a good reputation around here, wouldn’t want that to go to waste.

  • Paul

    “I worked long and hard to get myself a good reputation around here,”…now you sound exactly like just manipulating. Please don’t. It is about politics. Other nickname….don’t want to be cheap…so…proud traditionalist maybe?

  • Paul

    \They may be more ashamed of their Hungarian roots, and more proud of their “other” roots because of people like you.\…why should we be ashamed of the Hungarian roots…We are not. It is not the monopoly of a certain person called Magyar. The “other roots”are not better or worse.
    Be careful here George.

  • DoubleH63

    @Paul

    “even some conservative people like me”

    Best lie of the day.

    Fearing neo-nazis Paul? I know a good hiding place for you: The Anna Frank House.

    • Paul

      @ Double Whatever

      Thanks for apparently reading my comment.
      “Best lie of the day.”…(whispering) it is part of our conspiracy against people like you….don’t tell anyone else, okay?
      “I know a good hiding place for you: The Anna Frank House”..Anne…with an e Anne Frank House. There is no Anna Frank House. You can not even get that right..LOL

  • Curious George

    @Paul – I know I’m treading on eggshells when I write that. However, if people like NBM can be more proud of his “Magyar” roots than in his Roma(1.5%) & Slavic roots, why shouldn’t Vikings (or your children) be more proud of their Swedish & Dutch roots?
    In the same way, just as Csanadi was ashamed of his J@wish roots, and NBM of his Roma roots, the half Hungarian children have every right to generalize about Hungarians and feel ashamed of their Hungarian roots. I’m not saying they are right, or that one culture is better than the other, but obviously, there people like NBM, HH etc.. who believe such rubbish.

    • Magyar

      LOL. Her you go, lying again. I have no Roma roots, only in Viking’s imagination I do.
      But there you go, lying again like the piece of shit you are.

      Hey monkey, what are your roots?
      Why don’t you tell us? Or maybe you are too ashamed, so you make up imaginary BS about some wife not allowing you?

      And even if you do have a wife, who doesnt want people to know about her ethnicity, what does that tell about the kind of man you are?

      A: A balless man, who takes orders from his wife, and makes up excuses to avoid a direct question, but yet has the nerve to call other people balless.

      • Viking

        Magyar says:
        August 15, 2012 at 12:39 pm

        I have no Roma roots, only in Viking’s imagination I do

        But why can I then not borrow your copy of ‘The Definition of a Tiszta Magyar’?

        You are obviously ready with it, but I really need help to identify if my Hungarian wife is Roma or not, because who *really* knows?
        And it just takes such a small % to become that ‘gypsycriminal’ that Hungary is so full of
        Scary thoughts, maybe I am sharing the bed with one?

        • Magyar

          Genetics have proven that all Slovaks have 2.5% of Gypsy genes, and Romanians have 1%.

          Are they all Gypsies according to you?

          And FYI, it takes more than a small % of gypsy blood to make them criminals.
          Gypsy genes are weak, so they get diluted quite easily.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            Jesus, is that you makes up all this garbage or do you read all this nonsense on your favourite sites like kuruc.info? :D

          • Magyar

            Genetic studies Leto, genetic studies.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            :D :D

          • Viking

            Magyar says:
            August 15, 2012 at 2:31 pm

            And FYI, it takes more than a small % of gypsy blood to make them criminals.
            Gypsy genes are weak, so they get diluted quite easily

            Good to know, maybe I can sleep a bit better now

            If we then look at J*w-blood, we can see that Csanad, who has only 25% of that, but is treated by you guys like he had 250%
            So, is Magyar-blood inferior to J*w-blood, then only 25% can take over the whole body from the remaining 75% Magyar?

          • (Right Wing) Magyar

            With J@ws its different.

            Scientifically, Szegedi is only 25% J@wish.

            However, the nationality is inherited from the mother.

            Szegedi’s mother is only Half J@wish, but since HER mother (Szegedi’s grandmother) was a full J@w, Szegedi’s mother is also a full J@w.

            Scientifically, Szegedi is only 25% J@wish, but since his mother is a full J@w (since her mother was a J@w), Szegedi is also a full J@w.

            I hope that makes sense.
            I have tried to expect this to you nicely, but I bet you will respond with some idiotic asshole remark of yours.

          • Viking

            (Right Wing) Magyar says:
            August 15, 2012 at 4:15 pm

            With J@ws its different.
            —-

            Yes, is it not
            The J*ws are just that superior to Magyars, as you described with Csanad
            How does that feel?

            You can sleep well at night knowing that at this specific time more so called ‘Hungarians’ are produced that actually just are J*ws?
            One J*w can, through his own children create several J*ws very easy and fast through the method you just described
            Scary is it not?

            So what are you doing about it?
            Screwing tonight?

            But pls do a blood-check first…maybe she is a sleeping J*w.

            On the other hand, if you were into boys (literally), you would actually be much safer here.
            Talk of Safe Sex…

          • (Right Wing) Magyar

            Oh my god, Viking are you that stupid?

            Its nothing to do with J@ws being superior.
            It is simply the J@wish religious law.

            Now, I bet you knew that, you just want to troll and piss of right wingers, along with your buddy “George”.

            Why do I even engage in friendly dialogue with you?
            Ever heard the saing, “Dont feed the troll”?

          • Viking

            (Right Wing) Magyar says:
            August 15, 2012 at 5:24 pm

            It is simply the J@wish religious law

            So *YOU* have not a problem with a person who have a J*wish Father and a Magyar Mother?

            That is a 100% Magyar for you?
            Even if according to certain scholars on J*daism such a person would still be a J*w?

            Of course according to the so called Nuremberg Laws:
            “The Nuremberg Laws classified people with four German grandparents as “German or kindred blood”, while people were classified as J*ws if they descended from three or four J*wish grandparents. A person with one or two J*wish grandparents was a Mischling, a crossbreed, of “mixed blood”"

            So Csanad is really not a J*w, just a Mischling, according to the Good Ol’ Nazis, is he not?

            On the other hand, as we all know, the Magyar definition of who is a J*w is much harder and this is what even Bishop Apor Wilmos won sympathy from the German troops in Hungary during 1944-45, when he tried to save at least those Mischlings, especially those who been born into the Catholic Church

            On the 3rd side you have the way the J*ws themselves decide who is a J*w or not. And that is not so consistent:
            * According to J*wish law, a child born to a J*wish mother or an adult who has converted to J*daism is considered a J*w
            * According to Reform J*daism, a person is a J*w if they were born to either a J*wish mother or a J*wish father.
            * According to the Orthodox movement, the father’s religion and whether the person practices is immaterial. No affirmation or upbringing is needed, as long as the mother was J*wish.

            So here you have it – so many ways to decide who is a J*w and who is not a J*w…

            With this above, pls re-check your family tree, maybe you have a bunch of Reform J*ws there?

      • Curious George

        …Gypsy heritage….and like I said before, even if I did it would be smaller than 1.5%.
        No Balls Magyar says: August 9, 2012 at 3:01 pm
        I never said you had more than 1.5%.

        ….And even if you do have a wife, who doesnt want people to know about her ethnicity, what does that tell about the kind of man you are
        A respectful one!

        • (Right Wing) Magyar

          I never said I HAVE 1.5%.
          I said IF I did, it would be less than 1.5%.

          • Curious George

            NBM – C’mon, we know you’re just pulling a Szegedi here, and you want to keep it under wraps until the time is right. It’s ok, we understand. Looking at you, we all know it’s probably more than 1.5%, but ok, shhhh…..your secret’s safe with us….we’ll stick with the 1.5% limit for now and won’t tell anyone for now (wink, wink ;) )

          • (Right Wing) Magyar

            I am not going to say the same thing over and over again.

            However, someone who is too afraid to disclose his own roots has no place to criticise me.

            And I am not pulling a Szegedi.
            I have researched my family tree as far as the records go, and everyone to my great-great-great grandparents were white.

            The only chance of me having gypsy blood is if I had a gypsy great-great-great-grandparent. That would make me 1/64 gypsy, or 1.5 – 1.6%
            Off course this is not certain that I have a gypsy relatve. However, I cannot 100% prove that far.

            But hey, most Europeans have genetic influx that low.
            Spanish, portugese, Italians have a few % arab and black.
            Dutch have a few % filipino, the balkans have a few % Turkish and gypsy, etc etc, you get the gist :)

            -http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

          • Curious George

            @NBM – Dude, You share more than 99% of the same genes as Gyozike and Pako, so don’t talk to me about haplogroups. I was humoring you with the 1.5%

          • Magyar

            We share About 50% to 60% of our genes with a Banana, whats your point?

            Does it mean we are all bananas? According to Viking it does.

          • Viking

            No, only that you have *gone* bananas

          • Curious George

            What’s your point?
            @NBM – That you’re almost 100% Roma, no matter how much you think you’re different. You may also be part banana, but that’s between you and Viking.

          • Magyar

            0.1% in genetics makes a HUGE difference.

            TO say I am Roma is absurd, and you know it.

          • Curious George

            “0.1% in genetics makes a HUGE difference.”
            NB Magyar says: August 15, 2012 at 6:10 pm

            Yes, it accounts for being 186cm and not having any balls. Cheating to win a bet, however, is a character defect, more attributed to your social environment & poor upbringing.

          • (Right Wing) Magyar

            OK. I give up and come out : I am a gipsy through and through !

          • Magyar

            George, between humans, haplogroups are used to differentiate between various species.
            Hungarian and gypsy haplogroups are very diferent.

          • Viking

            Given that scientists not even can agree if we screwed the Neanderthals to mix our DNA with them, or we have a common ancestor, one should not interpret too much into any lose claim done due to DNA

            (-http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-13/neanderthal-human-similarities-not-due-to-mating)

            Also we have the question of the disputed “Zhivotovski method” which is still used a lot, even if it has many reported errors

          • Curious George

            @NBM – Wrong again! There are no species between humans. You don’t understand what the haplogroups mean. Why don’t you tell us what the Y & Mt haplogroups for a Hungarian is, and what characteristic they define, and similarly for a Gypsy?

          • Magyar

            Nobody disputes the fact that a poodle is not the same as a Bull Mastiff, despite them both being dogs, and having most of their DNA similar.

            So why do idiots want to say that Hungarians and gypsies are the same? They are not.

          • Curious George

            You obviously don’t understand gene mutation. Also, you conveniently avoided my question, which ironically, would have proven your point.

          • Magyar

            Races exist George, whether you like it or not.
            Africans aren’t just Europeans with skin tones.
            Skull shape, bone frame, IQ, everything.

            You cannot deny it.

            So please save your “We all bleed red.” type crap for someone else.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            @Magyar:

            You’d better read up on this topic…
            You could start here: -http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagyrassz

            (Actually I myself wrote most of it. :) )

  • Maygar’s Geneticist

    Hey did everybody hear, Right Wing Maygar is 50% Roma and 20% J*ew. The remaining is 30% is definitely nuts.

    • Leto مؤدّب

      FYI, “gy” is a double letter in Hungarian and it’s pronounced like the first sound of “due” in British Received Pronunciation.

    • Magyar

      What’s a Maygar?

      • Viking

        Someone not really sure sure if being a ‘TisztaMagyar’?

        A May-gar

        • Maygar’s Geneticist

          “Someone not really sure sure if being a ‘TisztaMagyar’?”

          At least someone got the joke.

  • Magyar’s Real Geneticist

    Hello, I am Magyar’s actual Geneticist, not the fake impostor above.

    I am the same person who has proven that a certain Jobbik member was clean of Roma or J@w blood a while back.

    I can say, I have never seen more tiszta genes than Magyar’s.
    I am absolutely flabbergasted. I have traced Magyar’s family tree all the to Sumeria (Proto-Hungary), and there were no gypsies,J@ws, arabs, or other non whites in Magyar’s family tree.

    Simply unbelievable!

    • Leto مؤدّب

      Yes, unbelievable is right.

      • (Right Wing) Magyar

        OK, OK, my great grandmother was a J*w.

  • Pete H.

    OV’s recession.

    -http://www.realdeal.hu/20120815/hungary-slips-into-recession-as-economy-contracts-for-second-quarter/

  • Curious George

    Skull shape, bone frame, IQ, everything.

    Yes, I knew you’d be leading up to this. We’ve all heard this IQ, intelligence of races & nations nonsense before from Elle & Law. You’re not the first. Next you’ll be telling us that Hungarians are more intelligent than everybody else.
    IQ studies regarding nations and races are culturally biased. The most famous study (Lynn) was ripped by his peers for taking too many liberties with statistics, and making too many assumptions, but is still used by racists and white-trash supremists to try and justify their own beliefs. Take a look at the US where you have more free opportunities among the most diversified population, and tell us who the most successful are. What is their “supposed IQ”, and how do you account for that disparity?

    • Magyar

      Look George, look at these pictures:

      -http://files.sharenator.com/3_Albino_africans-s350x437-1373-580.jpg

      -http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j231/random124/african_american_albinos_10.jpg

      White skinned Africans, do they look like Europeans to you?

      Also George, I am hardly a “White Supremacist”.
      In fact, in Hungary, I hate White Supremacist like MNA, Blood&Honour. I also hate websites like Stormfront.

      I am very offended that you call me one.
      Tell me, would a “White Supremacist” support events like Kurultaj?

      There are differences between us, differences in culture, differences in race.
      I am not a racist, I just want to maintain those differences.

      How can you look at an Australian Aboriginal, and a German, and claim they are the same?

      To me, Aboriginal culture is primitive, but it is still interesting, and it is their culture. To them, I might be a horse riding Puszta retard, its all about the perspective.

      Please don’t tell me you are one of those commie losers who wants the world world to mix, and the product will be one nation called People-land, with one capital, Love?
      Are you one of those George?

      I would also like you to look at this picture
      -http://christogenea.org/images/romevsafr.jpg

      Is it really racism to simply point out the obvious?
      Why do you try to hard to deny any differences?

    • Curious George

      I have no problems accepting that races have physical differences. What I object to, is someone inferring positive and negative individual characteristics from others being from a particular race.
      It is a bit of a surprise to see you focus more on culture in your last argument, but it is still just another cover of what is essentially racism, since it is tinged with inferences of superiority & inferiority. The picture you linked to, contrasts the most developed part of the Roman empire with the least developed part of Africa. That’s dishonest comparison. In all likelihood, most in the Roman empire were probably living in what was depicted in African picture. You could also compare the best from old civilizations from other parts of the world with a slum in the western world, and create the same illusion. Countries & people develop at different rates according to their environment, exposure, needs, resource availability, and external influences.
      Is it really racism to point out the obvious
      So, it would be okay if I pointed out the obvious and said Germans and Swedes are superior to Hungarians, because they’ve had greater achievements, and made more positive contributions to the world than Hungary?

      You’re right about me wanting the world to mix. Mainly because I think it would prevent wars when people have strong vested non-nationalistic interests. You’re wrong if you think I am commie. On economic matters, I’m more right wing than you, and I’m all for responsible free competition without any whinging. Turn your country into something strong, and then go out, compete and kick the Slovak’s & Romanian butts. Just don’t come back crying that they beat you at it, because somewhere along the line, you guys underestimated their abilities.

  • Magyar

    “The picture you linked to, contrasts the most developed part of the Roman empire with the least developed part of Africa. ”
    You are wrong there.
    You see, the picture of Africa was the most developed part of Africa that was developed by NATIVES.

    Off course there are more developed parts in Africa, such as Johannesburg. Which was built and developed by Europeans.

    This brings me to the following two pictures:
    -http://cdn.randomfunnypicture.com/pictures/1916africa-then-and-now-aids.jpg

    -http://memedepot.com/uploads/2000/2070_1272631015078.jpg

    And it is true, if you only look at things planned, built and engineered by Africans.

    “What I object to, is someone inferring positive and negative individual characteristics from others being from a particular race.”
    I disagree with you here.
    If 80% of gypsies are criminals, is it wrong to say that crime is coded in gypsies?
    Same with Pakistanis for example, they share a same culture, same race, most have a lot of similarities, therefore its correct to judge a whole ethnicity in the same way.

    There are exceptions off course. For example, I know of ONE good, hard working gypsy family, although they aren’t as dark as most gypsies, I assume they are mixed.
    But still, the exception does not make the rule.

    “other parts of the world with a slum in the western world,”
    Tell me George, in the Western World, who is usually found in Slums? Most Slums in Hungary are populated by gypsies, most slums in the USA are populated by Blacks….

    “You’re right about me wanting the world to mix. Mainly because I think it would prevent wars when people have strong vested non-nationalistic interests.”
    In other words, you want to bring about the death of Humanity.

    “Turn your country into something strong, and then go out, compete and kick the Slovak’s & Romanian butts.”
    Thank you.

    ” because somewhere along the line, you guys underestimated their abilities.”
    We underestimated the amount of weapon and funding they received from the Allies.

    • Leto مؤدّب

      You’re really such a a@@hole…
      I wonder how you would cope in Black Africa’s climate for a single month.

      There was a very nasty heat wave in June in Hungary. I couldn’t enjoy air-conditioning (only running cold water and an electric fan… and those things are not taken granted in most of Africa) I could hardly sleep or work anything at all even though I never had real problems with heat. Those people have to put up with that heat nearly all the time.

      • Magyar

        And that is our(Hungarian) problem, and our fault because….?

        What’s your point? In the old days, lack of air conditioning didn’t stop ancient Egyptians, Sumerians, Romans, etc etc build empires and civilisations.

        India is hot as fck, yet they still had some kind of civilisation.

        What do you propose Leto?
        Should we bring all Africans to Europe, so they have some nice cold weather?

    • Curious George

      @NBM – your last posts were the perfect example of pure racism which you try to justify by outrageous, sweeping statements. It would be a waste of time trying to persuade you. You’ll only see what you want to.
      Best of luck in making a better Hungary. You’ll need it, if you think Hungarian success is preordained in your genes & culture. We have no such illusions, and we’ll continue to work to achieve our own goals. Somehow, I think we’ll get to our destination first (I’m just curious – If we do manage that, would you then attribute that to our genes & culture, or would you deny our effort, and say that it was due to allied funding?)

  • Magyar

    ” We have no such illusions, and we’ll continue to work to achieve our own goals. ”
    Is that why you are now in Hungary?

    “I think we’ll get to our destination first ”
    By moving to the Western World? Yeah thats your destination allright.

    I will ask you again, why are you in Hungary?
    You have already implied that you are an enemy of the Hungarian people, and humanity in General.

    You want us all to mix, to lose our cultures, to lose our languages.
    We don’t need hippies like you telling us that sort of trash.
    We will cling onto our Hungarianess for as long as we can, and some Third World immigrant is not going to tell us how we should all mix, lose our identity to satisfy your pacifist Wet Dream.

    • Curious George

      “I will ask you again, why are you in Hungary?”
      @NB- My wife’s work was in Hungary. Her ability to do the work of, and assume the responsibility of the 4 people who did the job previously, made it quite attractive for her foreign employer. I only recently agreed to get a residency permit, mainly because my wife didn’t want to keep going to her employer to ask for letters certifying my status. During one visit here, I was asked by some Magyars if I could teach some young Hungarians my “juggling trick”, just as I did in W.Europe. I said “ok, so long as I am here, why not?” That’s my story. What’s yours?

      “By moving to the Western World? Yeah thats your destination allright”
      If my destination was the Western world, why would I be in Hungary? No, our (country’s) goal is to attain a standard of living and quality of life which people in the top developed countries currently enjoy.

      “…and some Third World immigrant is not going to tell us …”
      Who said I’m an immigrant? See above.

      “Pacifist?”
      LOL, said by the guy who avoided his military service in Hungary?

  • Viking

    Magyar says:
    August 16, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    In the old days, lack of air conditioning didn’t stop ancient Egyptians, Sumerians, Romans, etc etc build empires and civilisations
    ===
    Magyar says:
    August 17, 2012 at 8:03 am

    You want us all to mix, to lose our cultures, to lose our languages

    But the “ancient Egyptians, Sumerians, Romans, etc etc”, like the Maya, all lost their cultures and some even their languages, and the world turns on and create new cultures and languages, like the Hungarian

    Why should the world stop developing with the Hungarian language and culture?

  • olga

    @ Curious George

    I never even thought to ask you this but what is your and your wife’s status and people like you in Hungary?

    You are not an \immigrant\ because you don’t plan to live in Hungary for the rest of your life – I had a Prof from the UK once who signed a 5 year contract here and returned home so he was not an \immigrant\ either.

    It’s really popular with recent University grads here (23-25 years of age) to teach English in Korea and then come back and get brownie points for their experience when applying for teacher’s college here which is hard to get into because of the number of applicants. So these students are hardly \immigrants\ in Korea either

    Nosy question: What country or countries do you pay income tax to? My guess is both Hungary and Narnia but I am not sure

    • Curious George

      @olga – you’re right, I’m not an immigrant, and don’t plan to remain in Hungary permanently. Mrs George & I will be in Shangri-la this week to explore a move there in the near future. They have lovely beaches, great weather, fantastic food, and nice people, so we are looking forward to enjoying the trip. (I can almost hear Leto & Magyar breaking out the champagne on reading this :) )
      My cover story is as follows:- My wife is employed in Hungary, and her status is that of a foreign employee. Her employer arranges all legal papers. She pays all taxes in Hungary as a Hungarian resident would, including health, pension, and social security. As far as we are concerned, the state pension & social security are write-offs since she won’t be collecting them. My status is that of a family member, so Mrs George has to vouch for & sign a contract promising to “look after” me, pay all my “upkeep” expenses, and ensure I don’t get into “any mischief” :) The reality is only Magyar knows that I’m a third world criminal employed by Kaiser Soze, and I am seeking to avoid criminal trials back home by claiming social security and refugee benefits in Hungary. He’s also seen me selling kitsch knick-knacks to tourists, knocking up Hungarian girls & diluting the genepool, pimping out Roma girls all along Duna, and trying to dodge Rendorseg raids to avoid having my drug stash seized. Fortunately for me, no one believes him yet. Perhaps, after we hear his story, I’ll let you in on my cover up, and how I managed to get people to keep disbelieving NBM. :)
      ps. Happy Eid. Ramadan is finally over, and everyone can resume the gluttony. Will be out of contact until I return to Narnia.

      • Magyar

        George, I hope you had a nice time in Hungary, and good luck in your future travels!

        I assume you will no longer post on here after you leave, so goodbye!

      • Curious George

        Hey dude,we even gets this thing known as the internets in here, so you wont miss me for a while. Also, we haven’t decided to move yet. It’ll take a year at least, as my juggling act is sold out till next summer.
        Anyway, why are you so afraid I’ll keep posting? Also, we never got to hear your story, how you became the resident Taliban on these boards and when you put on your heel clicking jackboots for mullah Vona?

      • Leto مؤدّب

        “I can almost hear Leto breaking out the champagne on reading this

        No, I’m not. (I don’t like champagne)

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