September 10th, 2012

# Hungary 1956 counter-revolutionary Béla Biszku arrested

A former interior minister of Hungary, Bela Biszku, who oversaw the crushing of the 1956 revolution, has been arrested on suspicion of war crimes. He is the first of the 1956 Communist leadership to face a criminal inquiry.

Mr Biszku, 90, is accused of failing to protect civilians in wartime, and of responsibility for ordering security forces to open fire on crowds. He denies the charges, for which he could face a life sentence. Prosecutors want him put under house arrest.

“Today…prosecutors have detained and heard as a suspect Bela Biszku, one of the key designers and one of those responsible for the reprisals that followed the 1956 revolution and uprising,” said Budapest’s acting chief prosecutor, Tibor Ibolya.

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• justasking,

Where was this guy found? Why did it take the Hungarian Government so long to file charges?

• Leto مؤدّب

He was charged by the public prosecutors two years ago.
However judge Krisztina Rábai sabotaged the procedure.

-http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biszku_B%C3%A9la#Elj.C3.A1r.C3.A1s_a_kommunizmus_b.C5.B1neinek_tagad.C3.A1sa_miatt

I’ve told you Hungarian jurisdiction is full of sympathizers of the COmmunist regime.

Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

• justasking,

@Leto,

Do you know where I can find the docu film on this putz in it’s entirety? Can’t believe what he said about Nagy Imre…he was the only commie I ever liked!

Thanks for the link.

• Anonymous

To justasking: “he was the only commie I ever liked!” You should choose your friends and colors.

• justasking,

@Anon,

‘You should choose your friends and colors’

I do, and very well I think.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for Nagy Imre; he died for Hungary and Hungarians…how could you not respect that?

• Leto مؤدّب

@justasking:

Here it is:
“Bűn és büntetlenség”

-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9kC_KP2C90

• Anonymous

So justasking – “he died for Hungary and Hungarians…how could you not respect that?” I am Hungarian, have passionately hated and hate communists but to say this opportunist, this reformed commie Nagy Imre died for me is gutter nonsense. I’ll take a Horthy any day and every day for Horthy lived for Hungary and Hungarians!

• justasking,

@Anon,

‘hate communists but to say this opportunist, this reformed commie Nagy Imre died for me is gutter nonsense’

First off…were you around when Nagy was alive? Second, remind me again, why he was on trial, convicted and sentenced to death?

• justasking,

@Leto,

Thank-you me dear!

• Liz Aucoin

Bela Biszku should have showed the police how to deal with the Nazi backed 2006 protesters!
They were trying to overthrow the best government Hungary ever had, which was trying to make Hungary catch up to the rest of the civilised World!

• Liz Aucoin

Faggot imposters, this is not me!

• Curious George

Looks like Bela has a fan, but he’s too shy to use his own name, so he’s gonna borrow Liz’s for a while.
Hey, dude – try this website -www.wegotballs.co.za

• Liz Aucoin

It is amazing how fast the Hungarian government acts when it comes to communists, however, when it comes to Nazis like Csatary, they don’t want to do a thing, and he was CONVICTED and sentenced to death. Yet, they don’t care to see him pay the price for his crimes. Another example would be the man who was convicted and sentenced to 18 months in jail for wearing a red star at a commemoration event for Kadar, but not one single person has been even arrested for wearing the arrow cross or the swasitka, which is also illegal but much more prevalent in Hungary today. It shows that they have a double standard for everything, it is such a corrupt legal system.

• Anonymous

Csatáry should be left alone. He did nothing wrong at all.
Nobody was convicted and sentenced to 18 months in jail for wearing a red star. Unfortunately.

• Gabor

Csatary sent my entire family to their death. I have a copy of the order he signed personally.

• Leto مؤدّب

Ah, sure. And I’ve got a copy of the order Biszku signed personally. 🙂

• Viking

Does ‘leto’ question Csatary’s guilt?

Remember we speak about political laws, who we do not like get convicted, then these persons most likely did *not* break any laws at the time when performing their ‘duties’

And if these broke any laws at that time, they cannot be tried according to those laws, then those laws do not exist any more…
And that is why there was a new law last year to be able to charge Biszku

• Anonymous

@Lia Aucoin. You generalize too much.

• Anonymous

Yes, Nazis like Csatary are devils and the red star boys, Kun and Rakosi, were angels eh? Don’t swastika or red star us to death please. Szamuely Tibor and Gero and the other killers, all Bolsheviks knew and shared bread with Nagy Imre!
Both bandit gangs should have been and still must be accountable for their crimes against humanity and the double standard of going after only Nazis and not touching Communists truly reflects a corrupt legal system and you, Liz Aucoin, are correct in your assessment.

• Anonymous

Good answer Anonymous, very good answer. You put cornered Aucoin!

• Anonymous

Revision: Read ‘you just cornered Aucoin’ and omit ‘put’

• Liz Aucoin

Really? Tell me why he should be left alone? He has been able to run free for 60+ years, he should face the music, and if Bela Biszku is found guilty, he should too, I don’t care how old they are. Mr. Anonymous, you should read one of the many articles regarding this case in reference to wearing the red star before you deny it. Here is one available on Budapost
http://budapost.eu/2012/06/hungary-defies-red-star-verdict/
Don’t just make assumptions about me before you do your homework. Then I could just assume you are the type of person that blindly defends your government without knowing what you are talking about. You are not another one of these Hungarians on here commenting just to comment and argue, now are you?

• Liz Aucoin

You cornered Anonymous?

• Anonymous

@Lia Aucoin, your name speaks volumes. Parle-tu francais? Look around you, volumes can be printed regarding Nazi persecution and prosecution but sweet little regarding Communist deeds. Were the reds kinder to humanity than the Nazi criminals? Nay, the reds killed many more and it can’t be fudged, manipulated.

• Liz Aucoin

I am married to an Acadian, I do not speak french. It doesn’t matter who you think killed more, they both need to be prosecuted.

• Aloof

Just a diversion so people won’t focus on the IMF and axe-gate. So OV pulls a bear out of the hat. I would have been the first one to congratulate Fidesz and OV if this was sincere. This is just another case of WHY did he do it and WHY now?

So we’re left with yet another 90-something dude who can’t remember what he had for breakfast. Ultimately nothing will happen with him just like Csatary.

Until Hungary rips that Soviet monstrosity by its roots out of the ground and digs up any commie bones and puts them in a CBA bag and sends them back to Russia and then raises the largest Hungarian flag in the land where it belongs again then this doesn’t mean anything to me.

It lost any validity in ’56 so it does belong and especially THERE.

• Leto مؤدّب

It’s clear from the film (see link above) that Biszku remembers everything quite well. I understand ultimately you’d like nothing should happen with him unlike Csatary (whom you’d prefer to die undisturbed).
PS: Trying to divert to the dead horse topic of the Soviet monument in front of your embassy again, eh? 😀

Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

• Leto مؤدّب

Correction: whom you’d prefer to die in prison.

• Viking

So, who does ‘leto’ ” prefer to die in prison”
A) Csatary
B) Biszku
C) Both
D) None

Simple question…
(Personally I have no problem with C), even I can understand that D) is a possibility from a legal point of view)

• Leto مؤدّب

Blah. Sorry about the garbled sentence.
Aloof would want Biszku die undisturbed and he’d want Csatáry die in prison.

• Aloof

Don’t you speak for me you little insignifant falu faggot.
Aloof would be more than happy to put a bullet in both their heads at the same time.

Tell me when and where and I’d show up.

• Aloof

does NOT belong there…

• Viking

The arrest comes soon after the detention, then release into house arrest, of 97-year-old Laszlo Csatary, the former police chief of the Jewish ghetto in Kosice, who oversaw both the ghetto and the deportations to Auschwitz in the spring of 1944.

Adam Gellert, an expert in international criminal law who helped draw up the new legislation, said: “What the two cases have in common is that in both there is evidence of state-organised terror, and state-organised crimes.

“These cases should be treated on an equal footing, and should be publicised as much possible.”
(from the BBC-article)

Both the trials of Csatary and Bisku, léike the Nürnberg-trials, are based on the types of laws lawyers normally do not like – retroactive laws

Retroactive laws are there for the Victor to claim revenge for things the losing side did, hence all cases are politicly motivated

Hence not to try one of these two old men is definitely an act of politics, which will be noticed around the world (that part that gives a shit about what Fidesz is up to, anyway)

• Viking

The arrest comes soon after the detention, then release into house arrest, of 97-year-old Laszlo Csatary, the former police chief of the J*wish ghetto in Kosice, who oversaw both the ghetto and the deportations to Auschwitz in the spring of 1944.

Adam Gellert, an expert in international criminal law who helped draw up the new legislation, said: “What the two cases have in common is that in both there is evidence of state-organised terror, and state-organised crimes.

“These cases should be treated on an equal footing, and should be publicised as much possible.”
(from the BBC-article)

Both the trials of Csatary and Bisku, léike the Nürnberg-trials, are based on the types of laws lawyers normally do not like – retroactive laws

Retroactive laws are there for the Victor to claim revenge for things the losing side did, hence all cases are politicly motivated

Hence not to try one of these two old men is definitely an act of politics, which will be noticed around the world (that part that gives a shit about what Fidesz is up to, anyway)

(Now with stars (yellow ones?) in a certain word)

• Viking

justasking, says:
September 11, 2012 at 12:40 am

Nagy Imre…he was the only commie I ever liked!

If I take my parents-in-law (Hungarian, who *never* ever left Hungary) as represents for the feelings of the average Hungarian I would claim that János Kádár (26 May 1912 – 6 July 1989) was in the end a popular guy

My parents-in-law in 1989 went to both the burial of János Kádár and the reburial of Nagy Imre

Biszku should also be remembered for the attempted coup he tried together with some hard-liners in 1972, as the English wiki writes:
“In 1972, with Zoltán Komócsin, and others, he tried to organize a putsch against János Kádár, and return to the more hardline communist methods. Biszku tried to obtain Soviet support in the person of Andropov, who immediately alerted Kádár. Kádár then slowly removed Biszku from power”

Given that Hungarians could have gotten Biszku, Kádár was definitely the better alternative, even if he squandered loans from the IMF on consumption and started the trend to use borrowed money to keep the Hungarian public happy
Something both MSZP and Fidesz continue with

• justasking,

@Viking,

‘ I would claim that János Kádár (26 May 1912 – 6 July 1989) was in the end a popular guy’

I’d agree with that. Funny, when I talk with people who are old enough to have been adults during Kádár, they all say the same…life was good, everyone had a job, a place to live and yes some like my family, even cars.

The people I know who had the most against Kádár, were those Hungarians who had left Hungary and were now living in Canada.

• Magyar

Yet those same Canadians support MSZP, the spiritual sucessor of everybodys ‘favourite’ party.

• justasking,

@Magyar,

‘Yet those same Canadians support MSZP, the spiritual sucessor of everybodys ‘favourite’ party.’

You’ll have to elaborate on that one for me, cause all the Hungarians I know from 56′, support either Jobbik or Fidesz. Pretty much the same for the newer Canadian Hungarians that I’ve come across over the years here.

I only know 1 person who supported(s) MSZP, and he lives in Zala.

You do know that it is possible, to lean to the left politically, and have the same love, respect towards Hungary, it’s culture, it’s heritage and it’s people as those who lean politically to the right…don’t you?

• Magyar

That is good news! Most I came across on this site are left leaning, bordeline Bolshevik.
I hope they vote, now that theh can, I think.

“You do know that it is possible, to lean to the left politically, and have the same love, respect towards Hungary, it’s culture, it’s heritage and it’s people as those who lean politically to the right…don’t you?”
Sorry, but that is an oxymorom.

Materialism(people only caring about money), multiculturalism, attacking your heritage, atheist values, promotion of homosexuality and all those things are not compactible with loving your heritage.

• justasking,

@Magyar,

‘That is good news! Most I came across on this site are left leaning, bordeline Bolshevik’

Hold up…that’s not what you said.

You said, and I quote…’Yet those same Canadians support MSZP…’. As far as I know, there is not ONE 56’er posting on this site; which was who I was referring to in my post.

Do you see what I’m saying? You make these broad sweeping statements, that are based on…what? Not even your own experiences…they’re all based on your own assumptions.
———–

‘I hope they vote, now that theh can, I think’

‘I do not need Canadians telling me how it is in my country, where I live.

Well, which is it?

If we voted, that’s exactly what we would help in doing…telling you how it’s going to BE in your country, where you live.

I personally, do not agree with allowing ANYBODY, who does not live in that country, paying taxes, to have a bloody say in anything…kuss neked, I say.

Why should they? They would never have to deal with the fall out…those people LIVING in YOUR country, would.
———-

The problem that I have with some of your posts…nemcsak hogy sokszor nincs igazad, de össze vissza beszélsz magadat.

Other than that…there okay.

• Paul

@Magyar
Multiculturalism works apparently…LOL…Hungary 1-4 Netherlands…Football.

• Paul

multiculturalism…”Last year, the Netherlands was still on the 7th place, but this year, the Netherlands rose to the 3rd following only Norway and Australia when it comes to the quality of life, according to the index. The lest attractive country is Congo”…we have multiculturalism.

• Aloof

@Leto مؤدّب says: September 11, 2012 at 10:19 am
It’s clear from the film (see link above) that Biszku remembers everything quite well. I understand ultimately you’d like nothing should happen with him unlike Csatary (whom you’d prefer to die undisturbed).
PS: Trying to divert to the dead horse topic of the Soviet monument in front of your embassy again, eh

Oh stop your never ending incessant diversion crap sock puppet. NOBODY else is backing you up here, everyone sees this just for what is, a diversion. NOTHING will happen to this scum bag just like nothing will happen to the other scum bag.

Who put the Soviet monument in front of our embassy sock puppet? Us, LMFAO? Yeah and US folks laugh about it all the time in Budapest and in the USA. In the USA that thing would have been LONG gone.

Dead horse? The only reason it’s a dead horse is because Hungary is still afraid of Russia and commies (except for 90+ year old ones apparently). Spare me the treaty crap, if Hungary had a backbone that thing would have should have been blown to smithereens in ’89.

The Soviet Union does not exist anymore, so why does it stand? How long did the national flag of Hungary fly in that exact same spot sock puppet? That spot wasn’t selected by mistake. That says to all Hungarians “you’re our bitch and always will be.” Hungary even PAYS to protect it.

So once again sock puppet just like axe-gate WHY did he do it and WHY now?
Don’t bother with any more of your drivel until you answer that question.

• Leto مؤدّب

@Yankee moron:

It’s you who diverts with the Soviet monument in front of your embassy.

Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

• Aloof

@ fake Leto مؤدّب says: September 11, 2012 at 10:47 am

Oh I see we have two pussy Letos that are afraid of the Russians and commies. Certainly figures…

So once again sock puppet(s) just like axe-gate WHY did OV do it and WHY now?

Answer the friggin’ question and don’t divert. You both already have 3 times on this subject and 30 times on axe-gate.

• Leto مؤدّب

Firstly it’s you who tries to divert with the Soviet monument in front of your embassy. Secondly I don’t give a s*** about your “axe-gate”. It’s last week’s dead horse.

Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

• Aloof

@Leto مؤدّب says: September 11, 2012 at 11:09 am

Answer the friggin’ question and don’t divert. You both already have 3 times on this subject and 30 times on axe-gate.

• Leto مؤدّب

This topic is about the arrest of a Commie criminal. Go alone with your diversion attempts.

Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

• Aloof

Answer the friggin’ question and don’t divert. Why did OV do this and WHY now? You both already have 5 times on this subject and 30 times on axe-gate.

• Leto مؤدّب

Just because.
Don’t divert because the topic of this thread is the arrest of a Commie criminal.

Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

• Viking

Leto مؤدّب says:
September 11, 2012 at 12:02 pm

Just because

..’leto’ is a coward?

• Aloof

@ Leto مؤدّب says: September 11, 2012 at 12:02 pm

Answer the friggin’ question and don’t divert. Why did OV do this and WHY now? You both already have 6 times on this subject and 30 times on axe-gate.

• Leto مؤدّب

Hope you know the big numbers, too. The topic of this thread is still the arrest of a Commie criminal.

Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

• Aloof

Leto مؤدّب says: September 11, 2012 at 12:24 pm

I already commented on this subject that I’d shoot both the Commie and the Nazi in the head at the same time puppet(s), don’t think I could have been any clearer:

Aloof says: September 11, 2012 at 10:46 am
Don’t you speak for me you little insignifant falu faggot.
Aloof would be more than happy to put a bullet in both their heads at the same time.
Tell me when and where and I’d show up.

Now…answer the friggin’ question and don’t divert. Why did OV do this and WHY now? You both already have 7 times on this subject and 30 times on axe-gate.

• Leto مؤدّب

Enjoy Peano’s induction axiom:
-http://mathworld.wolfram.com/PeanosAxioms.html

Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

• Aloof

Enjoy being a peon in a bankrupt country (financially and morally) that nobody respects or trusts anymore because of your PM.

Now…answer the friggin’ question and don’t divert. Why did OV do this and WHY now? You both already have 8 times on this subject and 30 times on axe-gate.

• Leto مؤدّب

Did you study Peano’s induction axiom, orbanophobic moron? 😉
Can you grasp what it means?

Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

• Viking

Leto مؤدّب says:
September 11, 2012 at 12:24 pm

The topic of this thread is still the arrest of a Commie criminal

Since when did the topic of a thread stop you from comment on something else, related or not?

If one of the persons helping drawing up the specific Biszku-law can mix the two case, why cannot ‘leto’?
What is ‘leto’ hiding?

The arrest comes soon after the detention, then release into house arrest, of 97-year-old Laszlo Csatary, the former police chief of the Jewish ghetto in Kosice, who oversaw both the ghetto and the deportations to Auschwitz in the spring of 1944.

Adam Gellert, an expert in international criminal law who helped draw up the new legislation, said: “What the two cases have in common is that in both there is evidence of state-organised terror, and state-organised crimes.

“These cases should be treated on an equal footing, and should be publicised as much possible.”
(from the BBC-article)

• Viking

Leto مؤدّب says:
September 11, 2012 at 12:24 pm

The topic of this thread is still the arrest of a Commie criminal

Since when did the topic of a thread stop you from comment on something else, related or not?

If one of the persons helping drawing up the specific Biszku-law can mix the two case, why cannot ‘leto’?
What is ‘leto’ hiding?

The arrest comes soon after the detention, then release into house arrest, of 97-year-old Laszlo Csatary, the former police chief of the J*wish ghetto in Kosice, who oversaw both the ghetto and the deportations to Auschwitz in the spring of 1944.

Adam Gellert, an expert in international criminal law who helped draw up the new legislation, said: “What the two cases have in common is that in both there is evidence of state-organised terror, and state-organised crimes.

“These cases should be treated on an equal footing, and should be publicised as much possible.”
(from the BBC-article)

(Now with stars (yellow ones?) in a certain word)

• Aloof

@ fake Leto مؤدّب says: September 11, 2012 at 1:54 pm

Sure it’s a sometimes painful analysis of the obvious, everybody knows that country boy!

Now…answer the friggin’ question and don’t divert. Why did OV do this and WHY now? You both already have 9 times on this subject and 30 times on axe-gate.

• Leto مؤدّب

Do you think “fake Leto” heard of Peano’s axioms? 😉 Anyway, let me recommend the induction axiom for your attention once again.

Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

• Aloof

Leto مؤدّب says: September 11, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Do you think “fake Leto” heard of Peano’s axioms?

Who gives a shit? You’re both meaningless sock puppets.

Now…answer the friggin’ question and don’t divert. Why did OV do this and WHY now? You both already have 10 times on this subject and 30 times on axe-gate.

• Leto مؤدّب

And who gives a s*** about you and your drooling, Yankee moron?

Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

• Aloof

I sure as hell hope I can continue to irrate the living crap out of racist falu faggots like you. Others can speak for themselves. Maybe Liz and I can double team ya for awhile eh?

• olga

@ Aloof

re: “Aloof would be more than happy to put a bullet in both their heads at the same time.”

Me too – at this point in their lives the only bonus would be to bring some closure to the victims’ families so I hope they don’t kick the bucket before justice prevails in both cases

• Aloof

Exactly why I said that Olga because the victims who are still alive won’t get justice on this earth.

Both those scum bags will be meeting their maker though soon enough and if there is god then he should hand these two scum bags over to the victims on the “other side.”

• David

Hopefully the day will come soon that we get insight in all Orban’s dirty deals; from the axe murderer to the billions he stole from the Hungarian state and citizens. If that day comes, we will see if Lady Justice is still alive in Hungary.

• Leto مؤدّب

There are no dirty deals in Hungary under Orban. Never have and never will.
Ceterum censeo Origo delendum est.

• Liz Aucoin

This innocent man did the best he could to protect the country from the fascists and Nazis that were trying to come into power in 1956!

The government should apologise to him, and make him the hero of the nation!

• Liz Aucoin

Do not use my name again for your bullshit posts, this is not me who posted this crap above!

• Anonymous

I am sorry for all the rediculous posts I have posted, I really don’t know what I am talking about. My mother came over and we had sex, then she explained to me that life with the commies was terrible and that I was not allowed to play with Leto and Magyar anymore! Sorry guys no more sausage parties on friday nights

• olga

@ Leto and Liz

Leto: Csatary has been in hiding but what’s the excuse for Biszku not being accountable all these years? I refused to go through the Terror House, ditto for Nazi death camps but my husband told me there were pictures of Communist Biszku type criminals on the walls – are they walking around the streets of BP while women like Eszter are being harassed?

Liz: Your first paragraph is confusing – who was “innocent” and did you mean 1956?

• Liz Aucoin

this was not my post Olga, someone is using my name and posting, I guess, you can use anyones name on here and pretend to be them. The just wish they could be me I guess!

• Leto مؤدّب

@olga:

The “excuse” is the deal MSZMP did in 1989 (“Rózsadombi paktum”) with the opposition parties of the time and then their decisive influence until 2010.

A judge called Krisztina Rábai could sabotage even the first attempt to bring this Biszku to account even in 2011!
-http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biszku_B%C3%A9la#Elj.C3.A1r.C3.A1s_a_kommunizmus_b.C5.B1neinek_tagad.C3.A1sa_miatt

Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

• MagyarViking

So why was there no attempt to charge Biszku between 1998–2002, when PimpMaster Whorban was in power for the 1st time?

Was He too busy diverting State Support to his wineyard and handing out contracts to his Father’s Mine?

• Liz Aucoin

Two can play this game bitches!

• olga

@ Liz

Don’t bother replying – I get it now. Well, you and Leto must hit a nerve because I think it’s only the two of you who are picked for fake postings

• Magyar

Hey Olga, people faked my name too, I think I know who it is as well (most likely Viking), got any other ideas?

• Liz Aucoin

Bullshit! Magyar, Anonymous and one of the Letos are one in the same!

• olga

@ Magyar

I agree with Liz

Whoever posts under Leto’s name is the same coward who posted under Liz’ name

Viking would never do that in a million years, in fact some of the most racist (like you) would not do that either. BTW, what so different about you is that you don’t get it how you could be the poster boy for racism and I totally believe that you are oblivious of the fact – I can’t speak for Double but I don’t think he would ever claim not to be a racist; he is blissfully happy and proud being one.

How did you learn to have such a good command of the English language if you never left Hungary?

• Magyar

Olga, here with go again, with the racism.

Olga, I am just a person who is witnessing the destruction of his country. Everything my ancestors fought for is circling down the drain, and is going to get flushed away by a Tsunami of multiculturalism and liberalism. And I cannot simply let that happen. Another thing I don’t like are parasites and leeches, who are sucking the soul of the Hungarian nation.

That is all. You can say I am a “racist” or a “fascist”, those are just meaningless words designed to take away peoples attention from the REAL problem at hand.

And I know Viking’s sense of humour, I am pretty sure it was him.

I never claimed I “never left Hungary”, I have travelled plenty of Europe, also student exchanges.

Btw, you would be surprised how good the English of some Hungarians is, even those who never lived abroad.

• cCurious George

@Maygar – you ARE a racist. Only a racist would describe women of other races as apes. The real problem in Hungary is people like you.
Unlike you, Viking has shown himself to be a person of honor all these years, and admitting when he is wrong.

• Magyar

“other races as apes”
No, not other races, just other race. My other statement doesn’t apply to others.

• Magyar

And ok, I admit I misunderstood your bet, I didn’t quite realise you were referring to my post.

• Curious George

@Maygar – it wasn’t MY bet! You are still an idiot liar, without any pride, values or morals. What a poor reflection on your parents! Even apes would have done a better job on their offspring.

• Magyar

“idiot liar, without any pride, values or morals”

WOW, this coming from an idiot liberal like you? What values do you have when people like you take Gyurcsány’s d*ck up their a.

What morals do you have when you support liberalism, homosexuality?

What values do you have, when you promote atheism and materialism?

What pride do you have? When you are too ashamed to name your country, you don’t even live there, and you oppose nationalism.

What a kurva hypocrite.

• Curious George

@Gaymar – I’ve never met Gyurcsany & I’m not Hungarian, so unlike you, I wouldn’t know about his dick.
What morals & values I have? – honesty, truth & respect for my fellow man (neanderthals & nazis, I exclude). I don’t promote or even like materialism. I do, however, encourage my students to be successful, and to be responsible for their own actions.
I don’t need to live in my country to be proud of it. I have served my country much more and longer than you have Hungary (I’d bet any amount of money on that). Olga, Viking and JA know where I am from, and they also know I have got nothing to be ashamed of (OK, I’m ashamed that the people there are becoming more materialistic, but that’s almost the same everywhere else).

• justasking,

@George,

‘Olga, Viking and JA know where I am from, and they also know I have got nothing to be ashamed of’

Okay, maybe not ashamed; but, certainly embarrassed…your bike riding ensemble!? Fluorescent orange helmet…really?

——-

‘OK, I’m ashamed that the people there are becoming more materialistic’

I’ll admit to being materialistic…not hard core, more moderate…I like nice things big deal.

Why should my husband and I, be embarrassed for having worked hard for what we have?

• Curious George

@JA – if you consider a grass skirt wearing foreigner with a bone through his nose, riding an iron horse with training wheels, and a spear sticking out the front, you will appreciate that I have Hungarian pedestrians safety foremost in my mind, by having the decency & foresight to wear a bright luminous orange helmet to give ample warning of possible oncoming danger.
Grass skirts, spears and bones are traditional attire in some cultures, so there is no embarassment. But the orange helmet? Sometimes, I don’t know where to hide. 🙂

• justasking,

@George,

Christ, you got a wicked sense of humour…excellent comeback!!!

😀 😀

• Paul

@Curious George

Kisss….you are great….And I am not gay.

• Liz Aucoin

He uses three different names so he can give himself some friends and make it look like there are many who believe the same garbage as he does. Also, then he can be even a bigger coward and hide behind 3 different names. Pathetic really!

• Magyar

Here comes the Character assasination.
You lost the intellectual debate with me, so now you will spread rumours that me, Double, Ricsi and everyone else with remotely right wing views is just the same person.

Keep believing that there is only 1 (or maybe 2-3) right wingers in Hungary,you utter piece of scum.

You have no proof of anything, you just make up pointless allegations to character assassinate.

I post as Magyar, because that is what I am, a proud Magyar, nothing else, not some Judeo-Canadian whore.

Advice for you, never step a foot in Hungary again, remain in Canada, that is where you belong.
Forget Hungary, Hungarians, there is nothing remotely Hungarian about you. You are a disgusting and repulsive person.

• Liz Aucoin

I don’t have to assasinate your charachter, you have none. As far as the intlellectual debate you claim you have won, well….if you would like to beleive that you even are an intellectual you could say it was a debate, but I will let the normal people decide who is right and who is wrong. I will be going to Hungary later this year actually, and I will have a good time that is for sure. I will also let the other posters on here decide who is the disgusting and repulsive person, I don’t need to convince them, pretty sure of that too! You show how crazy you are all by yourself.

• olga

@ Magyar

I forgot – I was not aware of someone faking posts under your name as well but who ever it is happens to be a coward and it has little to do with political leanings because Leto Liz and you are not exactly interchangeable in political views.

• Magyar

Well, the posts where “I” claimed to be a J@w for example sure as hell weren’t me….

Thats just one example out of many.

• olga

@ Magyar

Too bad you are not J*ewish because our numbers are growing exponentially – Pete H., Viking, Leto and myself just to name a never knew our \true religion and race\ until someone was kind enough on this website to point it out.

So if you ever decide to embrace J*daism, you could join us at the next bagel and lox breakfast near Dohany utca next time I come to BP

• Magyar

@Olga néni.

Have you noticed the differences between the way I talk to, lets say Liz Aucoin or Viking, to the way I talk to you? I may have been annoyed with you a few times, but that was on top of me being pissed off with the other idiots around here.

That is because out of all the post commies on here, I probably have the most respect for you.
Well, maybe not respect per se, because we never met, but more like ‘I don’t have as much, or even any negative feelings towards you’, which cannot be said for people like Liz Aucoin who I despise.

If you actually got to know me, you would find out that I am quite a nice guy, and a normal person, not some nutter that you think I am.
No, I do not have “nazi tatoos” all over me, in fact, I have NO tatoos. No, I do not shave my head, I have a full head of hair, about medium to short length.
I have not got a criminal record, and never been in trouble with the police.

You are pretty harmless, just an average woman who doesn’t like the Fidesz government, and who has been brainwashed by the Canadian education system. Unlike Liz Aucoin, who claims to be a “successful business woman”, and she most likely at least partially funded Gyurcsány’s “starve protest for demokracy”.

I am just a man who loves his own people, Hungarians, ethnic Hungarians, and I see those who want to destroy them as enemies. It is only natural.

To me, people like Viking and Curious George are on the same level as paedophiles. I really don’t see the difference between someone as mentally ill as Viking and a Paedophile. They are both equally harmful to society.

And Gypsies? Well, I have my share of experience with gypsies, probably more than anyone else on this blog.
I grew up with them from preschool to now, unlike you, who probably only seen them when you read a Canadian newspaper story about Gábor Vona looking at a gypsy in the wrong way.

My personal advice for you Olga? Politics just don’t seem to be your thing.
You would be better off sticking knitting and making Arany galuska for you grandchildren.

And please, don’t spread the same anti-Hungarian propaganda against Jobbik. You would be interested to know that there were some gypsies who acknowledged Jobbik’s message, mainly to do with crime and voted for them.
Jobbik only wants to help, nothing else. They are far from racist, unlike postcommie media points them out to be.
I also remember reading a story about a half Ethiopian half Hungarian supporting Jobbik at their rallies.

• Leto مؤدّب

olga isn’t a postcommie. She’s a leftist liberal.

On the other hand every left-lib in Hungary is a postcommie bastard (though not every postcommie bastard in Hungary is a left-lib).

Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

• Magyar

Leto, over the past few days after seeing the amount of retardation and postcommieism, I have even grown to appreciate Fidesz voters.

Fidesz > MSZP any time of the day Leto.
I do not agree with agree Fidesz policies, actually, a lot of them seem like watered down Jobbik policies, but MSZP victory must NEVER EVER happen, NEVER.

I would happily stand by your side if it meant destroying every party that is left, centre left, whatever, you know what I mean.

Another Jobbik voter once told me, if Fidesz was actually nationalist, there would be no need for Jobbik, but Fidesz is not nationalist, unfortunately.
Surely you must admit that it could do with a bit more patriotism?

• Leto مؤدّب

“Surely you must admit that it could do with a bit more patriotism?”

Nope, I don’t. What the problem is that not everybody in Fidesz is relentless enough towards the postcommies. But the situation has improved a lot since 2002 in this regard. 🙂

Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

• Magyar

Fidesz has a weak stance towards territorial expansion, autonomies, and Gypsy Crime, amongst other things.

But maybe I have misjudged you.

• Magyar

VO is too soft, his policies must become much harder, much more pro Hungarian,. He must grow bigger balls.
I know you like to think that Fidesz is 100% perfect, but it is not.
Its like a child of Jobbik and MSZP.
Sometimes Fidesz thinks like Jobbik, but act like MSZP, sometimes they think and act like MSZP, sometimes they think and act like Center right.

• Liz Aucoin

What I find interesting is this asshole Magyar thinks he can spread awful lies about people he does not know. He claims that he despises me, and also has claimed to have looked me up, but says I am not a business woman, wow…cause if you just simply google my name the first several pages are all about me! Also, Olga, no offense to you or anything like that, I think you seem like someone Magyar thinks he can manipulate simply by blowing smoke up your ass and buttering you up. He despises me simply because I won’t tollerate his bullshit, call him out on his racism and I don’t put any effort into sugar coating it or put it to him softly. I am like that with people like him because they do not deserve any respect at all that I would perhaps give to most others on here. Even Leto tries not to be a total filthy pig just because someone disagrees with him, he tries to debate the topics, where Magyar has no real defense for his stupidity so he uses disgusting language. I have given it right back to him, I reserve that language for people just like him actually. Don’t fall for his love letter above cause he is not “just a normal guy”, but I am positive I don’t really have to explain that to you.

• Magyar

You have no clue how things in Hungary work. You have most likely only been to the nicest parts of Budapest.

I do not need Canadians telling me how it is in my country, where I live.

We have tried to integrate gypsies, gypsies refused to get integrated.
We tried it again, same result. Then we tried it again, same result.
Conclusion? Gypsies do not want to get intergrated.

Gypsies cause problems in Hungary, but also in Sweden, Germany, France, Britain. It is their nature, their culture.

Gypsies must be dealt with, if you want, you could start a adopt a Hungarian gypsy child scheme in Canada. I would even be willing to help you, even pay you. I am just tired of a Gypsy crime.

Gypsy crime exists, and its a special type of crime. When I hear about a house being robbed, or an elderly couple beheaded, I am 90% sure it is a gypsy.

They do not Want to work hard, even when we give them special training.

My views of gypsies have been shaped by one thing, and that is living with them.

I suggest you buy yourself a house in Borsod, in a gypsy populuated area,. And live there for a few months.

• justasking,

@Magyar,

‘I do not need Canadians telling me how it is in my country, where I live’

No, but people are entitled to their opinion, formed from whatever source.
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‘We have tried to integrate g*psies’

I’ll agree with that…to a point.

Yes, I have met some, who would prefer to live ‘apart’ if you will, form fear them loosing/diluting their culture, language etc. I have also met some who have fully integrated and consider themselves G*psy Hungarians.

You cannot paint a group of people with the same broad brush stroke.
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‘G*psies cause problems in Hungary… It is their nature, their culture’

I’ll agree with…SOME cause problems in various countries, for SOME it is in their nature, for SOME it is in their culture. They have become a product of their environment.

I’m also pretty sure, that the MAJORITY of hard working honest G*psies, resent that this small % of people are ruining it for the rest of them.
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‘G*psies must be dealt with’

I agree, that it’s not right for people to live in fear…fear of being robbed, fear of walking around at night. I agree, organized crime, perpetrated by SOME members of this community, need to be dealt with and dealt with harshly.

If people really want to find solutions, everything needs to looked at honestly/objectively…ie: better training for police, forcing parents to make sure their children are attending school, better pay for teachers, having social workers doing home visits…responsibility, just like blame, can be put by the feet on both sides.
——–

‘you could start a adopt a Hungarian g*psy child’

Leave the innocent children out of it, if anything, they need to be better protected.
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‘My views of g*psies have been shaped by one thing, and that is living with them’

No, your views were shaped by your experiences with SOME members of this community.

This is where you loose credibility, you make some valid points…then you open your mouth, insisting that ‘they’ are all the same.

• Magyar

Justasking, you keep saying that the criminials are a tiny minority in gypsies, but its the other way round.

Good hardworking gypsies do exist, but they are a minority.
I know of ONE good gypsy family, and I know 100s of bad ones.

• justasking,

@Magyar,

‘you keep saying that…, Good hardworking g*psies do exist…,I know of ONE good’

Look, I’m not going to get into a pissing contest with you here. You’re going to believe, what you want to believe and that’s that.

Fine…whatever…it is what it is.

So what are your solutions? How can we get this group of people ‘turned around’?

• DoubleH63

@Liz Aucoin

“Another example would be the man who was convicted and sentenced to 18 months in jail for wearing a red star at a commemoration event for Kadar, but not one single person has been even arrested for wearing the arrow cross or the swasitka, which is also illegal but much more prevalent in Hungary today.”

Wow! So big pile of truth in just one sentence…amazing. I bet you got all this truth out of the “truth telling” foreign newspapers, while all the uninformed Hungarians are feeding on BS. [Hopefully they are all mainstream newspapers; otherwise your Canadian-Gypsy big sister (olga) won’t like you anymore and share her crystal ball; even if you are both blond.]

• Domnul Bozgor

So, have the Romanians demanded Mr. Biscu’s release yet?

• Liz Aucoin

I lived my 10 years in Hungary in a small town 1 hour south of Budapest and there is a very big community of Roma people, but many are not the ones you speak of. Their families integrated many many years ago. Most are working, although many have fallen upon hard times in recent years as many Hungarians have, but never have resorted to crime. What I have seen though is after the fall of communism, people felt that they no longer had to be accepting of Roma, they figured that they could now openly hate because that was their naive view of what free speech was. They could blame all the hardships of the community on them. I am not saying that there are no criminals that are of Roma descent, just that this idea that criminality is in their nature and their upbringings is false. There are just as many non Roma criminals living in Hungary as well, and many who are getting away with their crimes because the Roma will be blamed no matter what. It is easy to pin crimes on them because they aren’t able to defend themselves and the hatred towards them is overwhelming. It is easier to just be closer to other Roma, than face all the discrimination. The others who may get away with denying being Roma deny it at all costs so they may keep the jobs they have and not be harrassed on a constant basis. Some have even joined the Garda and Jobbik to avoid having things be turned on them, not because they truly beleive in them, but because they are afraid. What comes to mind as well, is a school mate of mine from childhood and I ran into each other at the market in Csepel, he was hanging with a shady crowd of Roma, I asked him if he would meet me for a cup of coffee and he agreed. At coffee I asked him why he was hanging with those people, because he was always a kind kid and was raised with a very good values. His reply was that the only reason he was with them was because he was no longer accepted by the non Roma in our community, the kids he grew up with have now decided he is not worth their time and he had nobody who he could relate to. He told me that they at least are friendly to him and they protect each other from harrassment. I told him that I felt very disappointed and advised him to stay out of trouble. As we were leaving the coffee house, I was called a Gypsy lover by another patron. It is this disgusting behaviour that is occurring more and more in Hungary, it doesn’t matter that you are a Roma that is good, you are lumped in with all the rest.

• Liz Aucoin

@ Magyar \When I hear about a house being robbed, or an elderly couple beheaded, I am 90% sure it is a gypsy\ First of all I haven’t heard of an elderly couply being beheaded, but whatever you say I know is embellished to make your statement more horrific than is needed. The 90% part shows that you are making an assumption, with no basis and obviously assume it was a gypsy simply because you hate them and would never place that same assumption on a Hungarian. This again shows how racist you are!

• Magyar

“The 79-year old Bálint T. however, wanted his money back right away. The old man then, told Kalampár to leave the house and to show that he was serious he gently pushed the gypsy towards the door. Kalampár became angry and picked up a shovel and started savagely beating both victims. When the couple was unconscious lying on the floor the gypsy beheaded both of them with a large kitchen knife making sure that they indeed died”
http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2012/04/brutal-gypsy-criminal-beheaded-elderly.html?m=1

• Magyar

-http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2012/04/brutal-gypsy-criminal-beheaded-elderly.html?m=1

“The 79-year old Bálint T. however, wanted his money back right away. The old man then, told Kalampár to leave the house and to show that he was serious he gently pushed the gypsy towards the door. Kalampár became angry and picked up a shovel and started savagely beating both victims. When the couple was unconscious lying on the floor the gypsy beheaded both of them with a large kitchen knife making sure that they indeed died”

• MagyarViking

I especially like the part:
“he gently pushed the gypsy towards the door”

Yes, that must have been in the surviving cat’s statement

• Magyar

So you are trying to justify two elderly people having their heads sewered?

• olga

@ Magyar

I appreciate what Liz refers to as a “love letter” but I really do think I am undeserving of it and it may be rescinded shortly

First about your comment about knitting and the galuska

I don’t think anyone has knitted since the 50’s and as far as the cooking goes, you have me confused with JA , Ms Hungarian Cooking expert ; I always considered the kitchen as dangerous enemy territory where either the food or I get burned.

I don’t know where you got the idea I disliked FIDESZ because I don’t second guess the party Hungarians voted for – if they don’t like the Orban government, they will get rid of it at the next election because thank God, the country is now a democracy.

I don’t know much about the MSZP’s promised platform so I can’t dislike the party itself, but no doubt when Hungarians elected Gyurcsany for PM, they did not vote for a self-admitted liar who along with his cronies would bankrupt the country and betray his own people.

JOBBIK is a different matter because I feel everyone who cares about Hungary must fight against racism and Neo-Nazi ideologies. Check out what Hungarian born Anna Porter nee Szighety an award winning Canadian author and publisher has to say about JOBBIK – ( clue: when I brought her name up previously to either Double or a Double’s double, he called her the C word so I’ll save you the trouble – someone has already been there, done that)

I am not sure if you know this or not, but I met both Viking and CG and I consider them great guys with good taste in women as I met both their wives as well. I would say George had an average temperament but I don’t recall meeting anyone as laid back as Viking is ,in fact if he were any more laid back he’d stop breathing.

Liz is certainly different from me but she fits right in with you and the “other boys” who make a sport of hurling abuse at each other so perhaps you are just not used to women like her who can play the same game

Hope your semi-politeness towards me continues and please be advised that I’ve already been called a J*ewish Whore by someone on this website once so Kurva would look redundant on my CV

• Magyar

My first experience with gypsies was in Preschool.
The Gypsies would steal toys and crayons from the Hungarians and Ethnic Slovaks, then they would throw them at us.

Non-gypsies never did such thing.
One time, during nap time, some gypsies waited till the girls were asleep, snuck up to them and kissed them with their filthy unwashed gypsy mouths (a gypsy once told me that there is no point in brushing your teeth). The gypsies left hickeys on the girls lips.
I think we were around 5-6 years old then.
Had we been older, the Gypsies would have raped the girls right there on the spot.

No ethnic Hungarian or ethnic Gypsy did this.

Then school, gymnasium.
Gypsies would bring knives to schools, they would threaten people. Thankfully they never threatened me, but they threatened my friends.
They would mess about, get into fights all the time, steal stuff from the school.
Some non-gypsies did this too, but in fights, stealing, breaking windows, etc etc gypsies were very overrepresented.

At university I had very little contact with gypsies (no surprises there). and in work I do not have any contact with gypsies (no surprises there), but I do see them on the street, in shops, etc etc.

Now, I know Liz Aucoin likes to defend every Gypsy criminal, be it a rapist or a murderer. I bet that even if a gypsy raped Liz Aucoin herself, or her daughter (if she has one), she would forgive the gypsy straight away, and blame it on Jobbik intimidating gypsies, so their only choice is to rape. Poor gypsies!

Anyway, I know some ethnic Hungarians and ethnic Slovaks that live in bigger poverty than some gypsies.
I know one Hungarian family who does not even have a flushing toilet in their house. Yet they never felt the need to steal or rape or whatever gypsies like doing.

Gypsy mentality is lazyness, whats the point in working, if they can just steal it from hard working Hungarians?

There were plenty of cases where gypsies robbed schools, gypsies robbed farms, robbed pubs and houses. I never heard of a non gypsy doing such crimes in my village, or surrounding towns and villages.
Not even the Hungarians who live in bigger poverty than gypsies did these crimes.

Like I said, my view of gypsies has been shaped by personal experiences, there is plenty more, I just told you the general gist of it.

SO DONT YOU DARE TELL ME WITH A STRAIGHT FACE THAT THERE IS NO GYPSY PROBLEM.

Gypsies never liked abiding laws, that is their culture, the freedom. THey liked to travel around on caravans, do what they liked. That was the old gypsy life, nowadays they have been forced to settle down, instead of having their caravans given back, and you see the results.

Liz, you deny everything that gypsies do wrong, and blame it on me or Jobbik, even when faced with facts.
That is why I dont like you.

But I bet that you hate me more, because I oppose your beliefs. Because I dare to speak out against Gypsy crime, because I am in the way of your carrying out your “protocols of the Elders of Zion”, you hate me because of this.

I know one solution which you could do to stop racism in Hungary, and that is buy every gypsy in Hungary a ticket to Canada.

• Magyar

“I don’t recall meeting anyone as laid back as Viking is ,in fact if he were any more laid back he’d stop breathing.”

Off course Viking is laid back, since he is a weed smoking Swedish liberal hippie. He is probably stoned 24/7

• Curious George

If a weed-smoking, liberal hippie who is stoned 24/7 can be so successful in Hungary, it doesn’t say much about Hungarians, does it? Or maybe it says a lot about you.

• Liz Aucoin

Dear Olga, this is no sport for me please make no mistake in that. I do not do it for “sport”. I was raised to be tough and have been through alot in my life. I am the youngest in a family of 5 kids and I am the only girl. I know how to defend myself both verbally and physically. This for me is a moral obligation that I have. I do not tollerate, accept, befriend or even slightly consider backing down to a racist. I know that Magyar only has a problem with me because I stand up to him, but I do beleive that not only is he a racist but also beleives women only have a simple purpose. I do not care whether he is polite to me or the names he calls me as his opinion of me is very insignificant. Like I said before, most of the people on here are good people, all it takes is one bad apple I guess.

• justasking,

Is there anybody else out there, on poli.hu, who would like to share their personal (not professional) resume with us?

• Liz Aucoin

Sometimes giving a little background about yourself can bring a little more common ground, therefore, open up the lines of fair communication and debate. This might lead to a more respectful conversation. Not sure why you have a problem with that?
Oh yea………. You were the one chanting ” fight fight fight” in a previous post. I sure hope that you are not trying to encourage the nastiness for your own entertainment ?

• justasking,

@Liz,

‘Sometimes giving a little background about yourself can bring a little more common ground, therefore, open up the lines of fair communication and debate’

Hmmm…and how’s that workin’ for ya?
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‘You were the one chanting ” fight fight fight” in a previous post I sure hope that you are not trying to encourage the nastiness for your own entertainment’

Hey, what can I say….I’m a bored housewife.

• Liz Aucoin

At least enter the debate with something worthwhile, just making jabs with no basis doesn’t get anything going. If you would really like to entertain yourself, start fights with something worthwile fighting about. re: “hows that working for ya?” it seems to be working quite well, cause I haven’t been called a whore, bitch, or told to go take a special shower now for over 48 hours. The best way to fight with me is to be all racist and stuff like that. That will work. Take on some of Magyars views and side with Leto on everything he says, that might work. Sorry Justasking, you would have to do better than that if you want to get into it with me. Maybe you should find something else to entertain yourself with.

• Leto مؤدّب

Actually ‘justasking’ doesn’t “side with me” as far as my views on homosexuality are concerned. 🙂
To sum it up: that’s a particular sexual perversion which should be everybody’s own business behind closed doors but what is being strongly exploited for political purposes by your ruinous kind.

Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

• Liz Aucoin

hahahahaha, you are a really funny guy! So predictable!

• Leto مؤدّب

You’ve got a really weird sense of humour (or rather none!) if you think this is funny.

Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

• justasking,

@Liz,

‘ it seems to be working quite well, cause I haven’t been called a whore, bitch, or told to go take a special shower now for over 48 hours’

Wow!!! A whole 48 hours huh? That’s quite an accomplishment.
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‘Sorry Justasking, you would have to do better than that if you want to get into it with me’

I would’nt DARE get into it with a self proclaimed ‘strong woman’ such as yourself.
——

‘Maybe you should find something else to entertain yourself with’

No…you’ll do for now.

• Anonymous

Liz you are a whore.

• home loans

I think that to receive the business loans from banks you should present a good motivation. However, once I’ve received a consolidation loan, because I wanted to buy a car.

• olga

@ Liz

I was certainly not being critical of people hurling abuse at each other since I have not been appointed as the guardian of acceptable words just yet. My problem is that I was an only child so no one me names, no one ever hit me and no one ever tried to take my toys away. Tough life but I am dealing with it :))

I don’t think Magyar gets the picture that whining Liberals like me do not deny there is a “gypsy problem” but there is no such thing as “gypsy crime” However there is a correlation between crime and poverty which has been discussed here a million times and no doubt if there was a study of Hungarians jailed for theft, b&e, etc, a high percentage of the perpetrators would come from similar backgrounds.

I also think one of the biggest challenge with the Roma is the high birth rate and it not in the children’s best interest to be born into poverty and destined for all the “goodies” that are statistically predictable.

Just like there is a correlation between crime and poverty there is a strong correlation between educated women and declining birth rates and there is a plethora of information and studies cited on the Internet. Want less Roma kids? You got your answer

BTW, I don’t know where you live but Toronto has a lot of Roma in the Parkdale area and so does the city of Hamilton, a 1/2 hour from Toronto. There are newspaper articles about the challenges of integrating Roma kids and
there is extra staff needed to meet their needs.

Am I thrilled that with all the cutbacks in education, extra resources are spent on kids whose parents don’t seem to embrace education? Absolutely not. However, this is the only way to ensure these kids get a fair chance in life, will have an opportunity to join the work force instead of being a drain on the justice system and they will voluntarily limit their family size – that’s what the government is counting on and that’s why taxpayers support the programs – there is no other choice but “Prevention”

Since this thread was about Biszku – how ironic we are discussing “gypsy crime” on “his thread”

• Magyar

So according you, to integrate gypsies and teach gypsy children, ‘special staff’ is needed to meet their needs.

Surely that proves they are not equal?

And I told you, I know many Hungarians, Slovaks and gypsies with the same poverty backround, but guess which group makes the most crime?

• Liz Aucoin

Only in your imagination is this true

• Magyar

No, the facts that they need special staff to help them , while others do not shows they are different.

Otherwise why would the EU spend millions of special trained staff to train gypsies_

Btw, please show me some gypsy composers, gypsy nobel prize winnerz, gypsy inventors,. Please!

• Paul

Django Reinhardt…e.g. brilliant guy! Roma.

• Liz Aucoin

I know, somehow “gypsy Crime” often gets thrown in. I do not disagree either that something needs to be done to properly integrate the Roma, and yes, they have to many children they cannot take care of, that is part of it. What bothers me though is that hatred stands in the way of all efforts to properly intengrate them and educate them.

• Curious George

@Liz – sometime ago, JA came up with the best, most constructive step by step suggestion for discussion on how Roma integration could be improved. It’s not perfect, but no one else has ever written anything better since. Many, like Maygar, have just bitched about it.

justasking says:
September 29, 2010 at 12:03 am
***How I would Try and Integrate the Roma Population In the EU*** By justasking
I would have some schools (those in areas where very high number of Gypsy kids are not attending classes) have a before and after school program.
**Schools would provide a Hot breakfast, lunch and supper to it’s students. Parents who would like to sign their children up and can afford it, will be required to pay a small fee for this service.
Additional jobs would be created via kitchen staff, daycare/day-camp staff for before and after school.
**Students would be required to wear a uniform.
They all look the same and are not distracted by who has and who does not have.
**Teachers salaries would be at the very least tripled.
People need to feel that they are appreciated.
People respond to financial rewards. That and if you raise middle class salaries, they will spend more, which goes into the economy, increase supply and demand, which results in more jobs… etc, etc, etc.
**Teachers would be evaluated yearly and bonuses will be granted on their work/student performance.
If a student has a string of good teachers, you will have a happy child. A student with a string of bad teachers…you get the picture.
**Additional tutoring will be provided to any and all students to help them get up to speed in whatever subject.
If this means that an additional 1 hour/day is required to help that child read and write out side the regular curriculum, so be it.
**A school counselor will be on staff full-time. A trained Mental Health Care professional who will assist the students and staff.
This professional will assist teachers on how to ‘reach out’ to students and students will have a trusted adult that they can turn to if only ‘just to talk’
**Optional classes would be offered for students to sign up for if they chose on Romni History and Culture.
**’Pot Luck’ dinners would be held in the School Gymnasium, where all students would have to attend and parents would be invited as well. Traditional dishes from that persons culture would be required, enough for about 4-5 servings. Students who require assistance have it be with ingredients, equipment etc.. will have the kitchen staff available to them for assistance.
**Via fundraising, Government Grants and donations, a community centre shall be built. In this center a variety of extracurricular activities will be provided. Scouts, self defence classes, swimming lessons etc. Whatever the community decided upon.
They entire community would be required to assist. People who work hard for something tend to be protective towards it.
**No interest Loans would be granted to any student to assist them in continuing their education.
More people would go further in their studies I believe if they had money readily available to them.
This is all I have so far. Will post more as they come to me.
Feel free to add to it. At the end we can submit it to Orban.

• Magyar

The above post will never work.

Also who will pay for all of it, Hungarian taxpayers
?
90% of the people to pay for special education and hot dinners for the other 10%?

Why do gypsies deserve such pampering?

Ans george, I have plenty of ideas on how to solve the gypsy problem.

• Liz Aucoin

Well, I knew you would say something stupid again. It is not pampering, nor does it have to only involve Roma children. If we want them to integrate, they must be included with non Roma children. Are you suggesting that only Roma should be in a program like this? I am sure there are many non Roma children who also are underpriviledged in Hungary that could benefit. You claim to not be a communist, but you think the only way to fund something is through the government and taxpayers? It shows how unaware and closed minded you are to how things can work in a democratic society.

• Magyar

Why don’t we just do the better thing, and give gypsy women cash rewards when they get sterilised.
If that doesnt work, do it without telling them(at a gynaecologist routine checkup) like they did in former Czechoslovakia.

If that doesnt work, contaminated free food to give to gypsies will.

How does that sound? They will be so well integrated you wont even notice them after lets say 30 years?

• justasking,

@Magyar,

‘Also who will pay for all of it, Hungarian taxpayers
? 90% of the people to pay for special education and hot dinners for the other 10%?’

Think of it this way…what the taxpayer is paying for NOW, is the end result. Try and new technique…attack it BEFORE it blows up in your face.

• Leto مؤدّب

“Students would be required to wear a uniform.”

Didn’t you hear state secretary Hoffman proposed schools should introduce school gowns again? Do you know what the most frequent reaction of the MSZP-SZDSZ types were? “That’s a very Communist (or Nazi) idea. It’s another step towards a Fidesz dictatorship and next time they’d want people in the street to wear overalls and brown shirts.”

😀

Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

• Liz Aucoin

Does everything with you have to be generalized as Communist, leftist, right wing etc.? The uniforms in school are a great way to have children focus on school instead of who has the most fashionable clothing and helps them actually see each others as equal. Opposite of Nazi ideology. As for communism, we did wear them during communism, but they certainly weren’t a bad thing.

• Magyar

Levente style uniforms will be good.

• Leto مؤدّب

I generalize from what I read and see. And it’s postcommies (supporters of MSZP, ex-SZDSZ and alike) who write and say such things.

Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

• Liz Aucoin

That is interesting, we have this program in our school system already here in Canada and it works very well, however, teachers salaries do not need to be doubled or tripled because they are staffed well enough to handle the extra care. Teachers teach well and are happy when they see success in their students. Of course they have to be paid fairly in the first place. The program is funded at $3 per day per child by the parents, families who cannot afford it are subsidized through fundraising. There are family nights, not really focused on culture, but her idea of pot luck traditional meals are a good idea in the case of integrating roma. Food and snacks are donated by local businesses for the program. Which is a tax write off for the donors. This is a fantastic idea for integration, but it is not a new concept. The desire needs to be there to put in the effort to want this type of program in place. The problem is, I don’t beleive many countries in Europe, not just Hungary want integration to happen, they would just like for them to go away! • Curious George “The above post will never work.” @Maygar – only if morons like you are in charge. One of the things I used to do in a few countries (also 2 in the CEE) was to teach/show how to implement programs effectively and efficiently. Both the CEE countries have since surpassed Hungary in the areas I assisted (although I do not claim credit for their success). JA’s suggestions have a lot of merit in them to present a viable initial framework, if you can involve the right people. “Ans george, I have plenty of ideas on how to solve the gypsy problem.” So does my neighbour’s dog. Maybe you should discuss that with him sometime, and hopefully you can post a progressive program like JA did, complete with deliverables, benchmarks and KPIs (easy-peasy for any “engineer with a masters degree”. I’m gonna take a wild guess here that you’re not gonna be able to do it, because we’d then be able to see how dumb you really are. @Leto – School uniform – small issue to solve, if presented correctly. • Magyar 1) I dont want to integrate them, I want them to leave. 2) I have already said some of my ideas before, but I am afraid I cannot say my other ideas on here. • Curious George @Maygar – Didn’t take long to prove my guess right. • Magyar Why dont you take the gypsies back to your jungle? It will spice up your gene pool,. And increase productivity 😀 Btw, I posted one quick solution above • Leto مؤدّب @CG: Small issue to solve? But what about human rights and liberties? Orbán’s dictatorship wants to uniformize people! 😀 Hey, do you speak reasonably good enough Hungarian? Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est. • Curious George And increase productivity @Maygar – Thanks, but looking at Hungary’s drop to the 60th position in the global competitiveness ranking last week, I think we can safely skip any advice from you on productivity. 🙂 • Leto مؤدّب @CG: Nope, that was a list of competitiveness. The opinions of big business on taxing, etc. caused the slide. The “macroeconomic factors” actually improved. 🙂 See my relevant post earlier. Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est. • Curious George @Leto – No, I think if Orban presented a clear persuasive argument, it wouldn’t be a problem. Unfortunately, he doesn’t believe in negotiation. I thought his fixing of the exchange rate for home mortages was a good idea, but he railroaded it through, instead of trying to negotiate a deal with the banks. I think they would have bought it, not at the rates he determined, but certainly better than what prevailed. Sorry, I just started learning Hungarian a few months ago. I didn’t realize how long I was going to be here, and I already spoke other languages, so I put it on the backburner. I’m still a beginner wrt Hungarian, but I plan to continue for as long as I am here. • Curious George @Leto – ps – This is one of the reports I’ve used quite a bit over the years in my work. Pillar 7 talks in detail about the labor market, and one sub-category also ranks productivity. Hungary ranked 58th (not too different from the 60th overall rank) Hungary is on pg 200-201. Enjoy! -http://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_GCR_Report_2011-12.pdf • Leto مؤدّب @CG: Well then I cannot illustrate my point with links to Hungarian pages. 😮 Thanks, I’ve already seen that report. One needs context to talk about this “productivity” issue. What does “pay and productivity” mean in this report? How did they arrive at the value 4.0 and the rank 58? Also how does this compare to earlier values? What could cause these changes? Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est. • MagyarViking Leto مؤدّب says: September 12, 2012 at 9:55 pm Thanks, I’ve already seen that report. One needs context to talk about this “productivity” issue Of course, but if that “context” is the same from year to year and you slip down the ranking – what does that tell you? We all know that if Hungary had improved its ranking, you would not have been questioning its “context” • olga @ Magyar Being in denial does not help these kids. Call it “generalization” but J*ewish, Chinese East Indians in Toronto have a reputation of putting a lot of emphasis on their children’s education, in fact the Chinese have a reputation of over-doing it and there is a popular book written about this which irrelevant right now. Every June, the papers publish the names and pictures of the kids who achieved the highest grades in their last year of high school and there ain’t too many white faces amongst them Roma as well as other immigrants from certain countries I will not name have the opposite reputation and extra resources are needed – the alternative I already described. All the bitching moaning and hating will not result in integration nor educated Roma women who refuse to give birth to more kids than they can afford. I actually understand your fear about the high birth rate amongst the Roma and the declining birth rate in Hungarians but not for the same reasons you do. If the Roma population increases and they continue to be poor and uneducated while the educated Hungarian population declines then obviously there will be a problem in the future which speaks for itself If you just managed to keep those Hungarian women uneducated, barefoot, pregnant and busy cooking galuska for their families ,while taking pride in having the cleanest floor in their catchment areas etc , you might have had better results in combating their ridiculous desire to be independent and control their own destinies. You screwed up :)) • olga @ Magyar My comment is awaiting moderation – no idea what offensive word I used, but I am going to copy the last paragraph and try to post it because I have to go to work for a few hours and don’t want to leave without trying to make you feel guilty. “If you just managed to keep those Hungarian women uneducated, barefoot, pregnant and busy cooking galuska for their families ,while taking pride in having the cleanest floor in their catchment areas etc , you might have had better results in combating their ridiculous desire to be independent and control their own destinies. You screwed up :)) “ • Magyar And this is relevant to gypsies how? Btw, I do not believe in opressing women. men are expendable, women are not. • olga @ Magyar gotta go BUT – the posting is about uneducated women vs educated women and how the latter choose to limit the number of kids they bring into this world. re: “men are expendable, women are not.” I would say there are expandable people in this world and they are represented by both genders and the world would be a better place without them. Of course there are more men in the group… Think war and violence • Magyar One man could get 100 women pregnant, and keep the population going, on the other hand 100 men and 1 women will not work. • MagyarViking Magyar says: September 12, 2012 at 3:58 pm One man could get 100 women pregnant Looking at the demographics in Hungary, that man is most likely a Roma… • Magyar During Horthy’s reign it was around 2.5-3.8, enough for replacement and healthy population growth. • MagyarViking So, what you are saying is that Horthy was screwing around and had a lot of children on the countryside? Or was it all those Germans and Italians that were in Hungary at that time who ‘put the bread in the ovens’? • Rev. Billy Munday Children, children why can’t you respect one another? Why curse? Why have bad thoughts? Why debase? Why, why? Go to church on Sunday or to synagogue on Saturday and pray and ask for guidance, wisdom and tolerance. You can do this outside of a place of worship, in your home, at your workplace, anywhere for God our Father is with us everywhere! You are all His creation do not forget that! You are not from a monkey, a monkey is also a creation of God but we are different, we are special. Our cause is more noble for we were created in the image of God! God bless you and do behave well. • Magyar Here is an interesting article: _http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2012/09/gypsy-residents-of-tura-are-also-fed-up.html?m=0 • Magyar The ball is on the gypsy court now. If they integrate by themselves, by their own will, without some fancy psychologist. And if they mean what they say, thay is be pro Hungarian, and help against gypsy crime, then I would gladly accept them. • Magyar Gypsies should adapt to Hungarian laws. Gypsies should be the ones who should try to prove they are worthy of being integrated, rather than the other way round. The initiative should come from THEM, not US. If they dont want it or like it, they should LEAVE, those who like and want to be integrated by their own accord can stay. Ever heard the saying “You can take horse to water but you cant make him drink”? We have taken gypsies ” to water” many times, now its their turn to get off their ass, walk to water, and drink on their own, without requiring millions of Hungarian taxpayers money. • Liz Aucoin you may have taken them to water, but it wasn’t to drink, it was to drown them. There is a difference, and it is not called integration • Magyar I knew you would say something incredibly stupid. Go troll somewhere else. • Liz Aucoin I think it is a clear assessment, you have shown us how many Hungarians think in regards to “solutions” to Gypsy integration. • Magyar And your conclusion is? • olga @ Magyar and Liz Magyar: I think I have ADD because there is so much repetition I got bored and could not concentrate on all the posting but I picked up on 2 short sentences of yours: \Why do gypsies deserve such pampering? \ :Ans george, I have plenty of ideas on how to solve the gypsy problem.\ 1. )It’s not a matter of \deserving pampering\ – It’s in Hungarian’s best interest to stop the cycle of poverty,lack of education which invariably lead to crime. It’s called Prevention and I already covered it. Don’t think of it as a bonus for the Roma – it is in the best interest of Hungarians in the long run C.G. posted JA’s ideas and they are sound and Hungary can’t afford NOT to implement them (hopefully through EU funding as a multi-country initiative) 2. Whatever your solution is, it is illegal, so forget it, it ain’t gonna happen. Liz: Someone called you a whore. Since being a whore is limited to only two varieties in Hungary, I was on this website first and the position of the J*ewish whore has been filled, thus you will have to be content with the Roma whore assignment so please be gracious about it • justasking, ‘I was on this website first and the position of the J*ewish whore has been filled, thus you will have to be content with the R*ma whore assignment’ Ribanc is also not on the table…my seniority over you both, guaranteed me that. • Liz Aucoin Ok I’m ok with it we are all whores in their eyes no matter what we say, it is a hollow word said because there is no true defense otherwise! • MagyarViking MagyarViking says: September 12, 2012 at 9:36 am I especially like the part: “he gently pushed the gypsy towards the door” Yes, that must have been in the surviving cat’s statement ==== Magyar says: September 12, 2012 at 4:48 pm So you are trying to justify two elderly people having their heads sewered? No, where did I do that in my 3 line post? What I did though, was to point to the extremely biased reporting, where happenings that are impossible to verify, then there are no surviving witnesses and the forensics does not support statements like that Maybe this is coming from the convicted murderer himself, but why should we believe him? In Hungary these cases, involving an alleged/convicted criminal from any minority, always are accompanied by graphic descriptions and with a lot of details that sometimes are impossible to know. Some of it is from the Police and Prosecutor, when they are trying to build a case. But not always those cases are correct and that is why we do have a legal process called a trial But in the Press, the alleged criminal is always convicted before, based on these graphic descriptions Gross violence, as we speak about in this case, has normally very personal reasons. In this case both the victims and the convicted knew each other. It was with great rage this crime was committed One can just wonder why, then from this short description given, there was really no reason for this violence On the other hand, for the Police and Prosecution, there was no real need to establish that part of the story The summary is that a horrific crime was committed and we all hope that the real criminal got convicted • MagyarViking Magyar says: September 12, 2012 at 2:19 pm My first experience with gypsies was in Preschool. Non-gypsies never did such thing. No ethnic Hungarian or ethnic Gypsy did this. Then school, gymnasium. gypsies were very overrepresented. And now ‘maygar’ will tell us that he is no more than 25 years old, then what he described happened after 1990 That is the first real fact and its explains why ‘maygar’ never have done his military duties From his own story, ‘maygar’ was never *personally* abused/attacked, but as many Hungarian/Slovak youngsters grown up after 1990 he is very afraid of “gypsies” Not so much from personal experiences, more from rumours This is a thing nurtured from childhood and fostered by the social environment ‘maygar’ lived and still lives in Given the reference to “ethnic Slovakians” it is easy to assume ‘maygar’ is born in today’s Slovakia and first came to Hungary for his mediocre years in University With that it is of course hard to reference what ‘maygar’ claims about his bad schooling experience with Roma as something Hungarian, then Slovakia actually being another country, with their own problems What one can ask ‘maygar’ is, if he regards those Roma in Slovakia as Hungarians or Slovakians, because they all spoke Hungarian, right? • Magyar I had experiences with gypsies, but nothing lethal, eg I was never stabbed or decapicated by one, but I did fight them. I was going to write a hate filled paragraph, but then I decided to be playful. Can you work out what I had for lunch today based on my previous paragraph? Btw, Gypsy problems in Upper Hungary, Hungary, Transylvania is all the same. I know you are dumb Viking, but claiming gypsies and gypsh crime is unique to Hungary is even too much for you. And to claim Upper Hungary and Hungary are different nations is very offensive. I suggest you visit ‘South Slovakia’ Btw, me being ‘afraid’ of gypsies is not correct. I am however afraid for my friends and relatives to be gangraped and then beheaded by gypsies. Maybe you are not, but that shows the kind of father you are. • justasking, @Magyar, ‘Maybe you are not, but that shows the kind of father you are. You know? I’ve had just about enough of your vicious attacks against Viking. Attack him for his stand/a post/opinions etc…don’t make it personal. To compare him to a pedophile yesterday, and today question him as a Father…how dare you? • Magyar I talk to Viking the way he talks to me. Viking has insulted and spread lies about me more than enough to justify how I talk to him. • justasking, @Magyar, ‘Viking has insulted and spread lies about me more than enough’ No, he demands that you defend your position, he demands you provide evidence to your claims…in other words, he calls you on your posts. • Monica @Magyar You are a fly on the wall…smashhhhhhhhhhh • Magyar Maybe not quite this post, but Viking insults, lies, trolls and provokes, and it has gotten to the point where I wil not tolerate it. • justasking, @Magyar, ‘but Viking insults, lies, trolls and provokes, and it has gotten to the point where I wil not tolerate it’ Nobody says you have to tolerate it, just don’t make it personal. • Magyar Maybe that scum Viking shouldnt use personal information and experiences that I post against me. Two can play at this game. • Leto مؤدّب I completely agree even if the Swedish moron is not innocent in using such insults either. (That’s why I ignore his posts.) Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est. • MagyarViking Magyar says: September 12, 2012 at 8:39 pm Here is an interesting article Let us take some quotes from that article (which ‘maygar’ obviously missed to read): “The documents also prove that some gypsy residents tried to join the government run civilian guard, but they were rejected on the basis of their ethnic backgrounds” . What I always has pointed out – the Neighbourhood Watch Scheme is part of “Jobbik’s” programme to incite violence against Roma = “The majority of Tura’s gypsy residents are law abiding citizens and they are supporting Jobbik’s efforts to remove gypsy criminals from society” . I would believe that “The majority of Tura’s gypsy residents” wants to remove *ALL* criminals from their neighbourhood Why would they like ‘magyarcriminals’ better? = Residents of Tura asking the Jobbik representative not to condemn the Roma as a whole because of the criminal lifestyle of a sizable segment of the gypsy population; they are ready to actively contribute to the process of implementing positive changes in Roma-Hungarian coexistence” . Well, this is the part ‘maygar’ does not want to hear and will not listen too – just look at his own comments below his first entry on this Issue EXACTLY this is what I have asked the Roma Community to do, to stand up for themselves, weed out the bad and fight for the good And I know that ‘justasking’ has been demanding this also for several years This is what we would all demand of any community, regardless race or religion, but then we need to respect these people for making this stand I hope we will hear more on this initiative, which makes it a bit hard for “Jobbik” actually… • Magyar Jobbik did not reject gypsies based on their ethnicity, but because due to their ethnicity, they were seen suspicious (what gypsy would want to join an orgonisation that was painted as racist by postcommie media?), thus their intentions were seen as suspicious,and they were most likely informants send by their Gypsy Vojvod. • olga @ Liz and Leto Liz: re: “Ok I’m ok with it we are all whores in their eyes no matter what we say, it is a hollow word said because there is no true defense otherwise! ” For me, it’s not about defense. There are advantages to being called a “whore” because whatever the poster has to say after that, any decent human being would totally disregard and negate it so using the word speaks volumes about that person. JA, sorry I left you out as the resident Ribanc – I remember not knowing what it meant when you were called that and asking my Mom who never heard of the word either. On the other hand, until I met you I didn’t even know how to swear in Hungarian and now I do, plus I also know what Ribanc means so it’s all good. My Dad used to use “le van kopve” or “le van szarva” a lot but that’s not enough to impress anyone at parties like you can impress them Leto : When is the Biszku decision expected – time is of the essence • Leto مؤدّب @olga: The mills of Hungarian judges grind slowly… especially in such a case. Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est. • justasking, @Olga, ‘a lot but that’s not enough to impress anyone at parties like you can impress them’ Hey, what can I say? It’s a talent I’ve acquired after years and years of practice. Nothing like dropping the odd ‘f’ bomb to get the party goin’ ——- @Liz, ‘Ok I’m ok with it we are all whores in their eyes no matter what we say’ Well, I’m not okay with it. I’ve gotten into it with some pretty heated exchanges on this site with various male posters…seinean, Aloof, Paul, Pete H, George, Viking, Double (I know there’s more) and never ONCE did any drop the ‘r’, ‘c’, ‘w’ or ‘b’ bomb on me. Oh, we’ve called each other lunatics, bat-shit crazy, retarded etc, that’s as far as it ever went…ever will go, from them or me. You just don’t do that. • Liz Aucoin Well, my experience on here has been much more volatile than yours I guess. I could care less if these morons think by calling me nasty names is going to hurt me in some way. What I would like to know though, is why YOU try to start arguments with me? From what I read, mostly from your comments, we do not have gravely different views. Could you actually give me a proper explanation? • …justasking @Liz, ‘Well, my experience on here has been much more volatile than yours I guess’ You’ll have to ask yourself why. —— ‘I could care less if these morons think by calling me nasty names’ Yeah, well I do…they can think it (and I’m sure some around here do about me) just don’t say it. There’s not too many women on this site, and I for one would like to be judged by my posts and not what I happen to be sitting on. It’s demeaning. ———– ‘What I would like to know though, is why YOU try to start arguments with me?’ Why are you taking this so personal? Do you not understand the concept of this site? We all read the article provided. We submit posts regarding our view on said article and usually why we feel the way we do. Other posters read what was written, turn around, submit their posts agreeing or disagreeing with your stand/interpretation and why. We smell blood, when we feel the opinion/position of the poster is weak/uninformed or simply silly in our eyes. That’s when the sparks begin to fly. ——– ‘From what I read, mostly from your comments, we do not have gravely different views’ Yes, but our delivery is polar opposite. I’ll attack what a person says, all the while respecting their right to feel the way they do. That’s why I can be friends and enjoy the company, of such hard core commies as Viking, Voodoo dressed individuals like George, intermittent airheads as Olga..she knows I adore her, and am kidding…kinda sorta. I don’t need people to agree with me…I enjoy/appreciate people who challenge me. That’s why I love and am addicted to this site. So suck it up Princess, and show us this ‘strong woman’ you keep claiming to be. • MagyarViking Magyar says: September 13, 2012 at 5:51 pm Jobbik did not reject gypsies based on their ethnicity, but because due to their ethnicity, they were seen suspicious Does this not qualify for one of the quotes on this site? The logic is flawless, how can you argue against it? (The recaptcha-challenge is “ecalble said”, which must be a reference on where ‘maygar’ gets his arguments) • Magyar This picture says everything about modern demokracy ala Paul and ala Liz Aucoin. -http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_clW92NzmFvI/Srr0w7kNSiI/AAAAAAAACu0/pXSQKDX_oss/s400/114081154_0d8e8d4113.jpg • DoubleH63 @Magyar “Jobbik did not reject gypsies based on their ethnicity, but because due to their ethnicity, they were seen suspicious” God… dummy. You must be younger and stupider than I thought. You nicely fell for the Judeo-Bolshevik Iljas’ bait [or stupidity, as he has a hard time translating Zsindex articles]. Let’s look at his quote. “The documents also prove that some gypsy residents tried to join the government run civilian guard, but they were rejected on the basis of their ethnic backgrounds” Then this crypto communist boasts: “What I always has pointed out – the Neighbourhood Watch Scheme is part of “Jobbik’s” programme to incite violence against Roma” There is nothing about SZJPE or Jobbik about those documents, but about government run civilian guard. That does not stop this laid back Communist to spread his BS. • MagyarViking DoubleH63 says: September 14, 2012 at 2:01 am There is nothing about SZJPE or Jobbik about those documents, but about government run civilian guard Admittedly I should have written more in the lines of: * What I always has pointed out – some of Neighbourhood Watch organisations has been hijacked by “Jobbik’s” programme to incite violence against Roma Because that is what I mean and that is what I should have written, then as I have pointed out in several other posts, where there have been troubles, these racial-hating Neighbourhood Watch organisations have been involved Of course Roma in a Roma-dominated neighbourhood will not like that there is a lot of people claiming to hate Roma checking them out in their own neighbourhood, or harassing them going in and out of their quarters Of course that will bring on troubles As it would, if another Neighbourhood Watch organisation, solely based on Roma ethnicity would start to patrol non-Roma quarters – How would you feel about that? Or standing outside the typical non-Roma quarter and ask/intimidate non-Roma passers-by what they will still or have stolen today? Bytheway, nice to see that you read all posts with such care, so I have to keep up the Good Work and avoid getting sloppy, as I did here Which you rightfully and correct pointed out! I agree that ‘maygar’ seems to be a bit too short for this site and sometimes I feel like a child-molester… * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money* • Magyar “sometimes I feel like a child-molester…” Are you trying to say something Viking? Maybe I was right, maybe liberals of your caliber are on the same level as pedophiles, is that why you are in Hungary? Because the age of consent is only 14? • Viking Magyar says: September 14, 2012 at 3:50 pm is that why you are in Hungary? Because the age of consent is only 14? Yes, that is the only reason why me and Jörg Haider visits Slovakia and Hungary. Jörg for the boys and me for the girls I really miss those trips of ours…and Vona would join us when in Budapest, so that was nice * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money* • olga @ Leto re: “The mills of Hungarian judges grind slowly… especially in such a case.” That’s very sad and unfortunate because he will die of old age which was not an option for his victims and it will deny his victims’ relatives some comfort and closure. Ditto for Csatary who I am sure will meet the same fate and ditto for that criminal in I**srael who was protected from extradition and was allowed to die without facing justice. Wish I believed in an afterlife and Hell. • Viking What is wrong with Purgatory? It last for a rather long time, I am told * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money* • Viking olga says: September 14, 2012 at 3:04 pm Wish I believed in an afterlife and Hell. Maybe this clip can help you get back those believes: (-http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=V5aK_cYPcow) I bet you will understand it better than me… * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money* • Magyar Another case of people covering up Gypsy Crime: “In the early hours of September 9, in the village of Hajdúszovát villagers found a local man in a ditch beaten to death. The 53-year old victim was beaten beyond recognition. He had no body part left intact, his spinal cord was broken in several places, his eyes gouged out! Most probably, he was beaten with a heavy object reporting residents of the village. The mainstream media is stonewalling the case (why? I guess you know the answer). According to villagers, the victim was a quiet, honest, working man. The family and the village are in mourning. Local residents are reporting that the perpetrators were gypsies and all suspects were arrested by police the same day. The initial shock, hardly subsided when another one hit the villagers; after questioning, police released all suspects from custody. Nobody understands why and police are tight-lipped about the case. Another cover up! -http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2012/09/savage-murder-in-hajduszovat.html • Paul @ Magyar Hey Magyar..I am stalking yuo a bit now. The degenerated Dutch nation???? The dutch multi-cultural football team against Hungary…4-1 • Magyar Hey Paul, after the dutch multiculti football team beat the Hungarian one, did the Dutch team members smoke weed and have gay sex in the showers? Were you there to take part, or at least to watch? • Paul “after the dutch multiculti football team beat the Hungarian one, did the Dutch team members smoke weed and have gay sex in the showers?”…naaaw…that was before the match…there was Roma music too….and still 4-1. • Magyar Paul, too bad you cant see the expression on my face, but I have a “I dont really care” expression, its a stupid football match. Btw, how did the Dutch multiculti team come in the Olympics? • Paul World Economic Forum Switzerland is leading the list and is followed by Singapore, Finland, Sweden, the Netherlands, Germany, USA, United Kingdom, Hong Kong and Japan Two countries from the Central and Eastern Europe region were ranked higher than Poland: Estonia (34th, down one notch) and the Czech Republic (39th, also one point lower). Slovakia fell two places to 71st, while Hungary slumped to 60th from 48th……..while Hungary slumped to 60th from 48th.!!!!! Multi-Culti…and not a stupid football match. • Curious George Sorry, Maygar, but football beats waterpolo or fencing or any olympic sport any day. 4-1 is a great score. Congrats, Paul! Some people believe football is a matter of life and death, I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that”. -Bill Shankly, • Viking Magyar says: September 14, 2012 at 4:46 pm In the early hours of September 9, in the village of Hajdúszovát villagers found a local man in a ditch beaten to death. Local residents are reporting that the perpetrators were gypsies and all suspects were arrested by police the same day after questioning, police released all suspects from custody So, what do we have here: a) A dead body b) Local residents are reporting that the perpetrators were Roma c) Police cannot pin down a single Roma But WHY? It must be a cover-up? Or it is just like this that the “Local residents” know shit and they are just *assuming* it must be the Roma There are just no proof, no eyewitnesses, nothing Let us just hope that the Local Police are clever enough to ask for help from the National Police Homicide and that there was a thorough crime scene investigation that can pinpoint the perpetrator/s/ Even if ‘maygar’ is way too young to understand simple rules of justice, like the Police must have some proof, when going to the Prosecutor, so the Prosecutor can ask the Court to keep the alleged criminals in pre-trial detention, the fact that some neighbour is of Roma ethnicity, does not mean that a crime is solved * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money* • …justasking @Viking, ‘The 53-year old victim was beaten beyond recognition. He had no body part left intact, his spinal cord was broken in several places, his eyes gouged out’ For a person to be a victim of such a brutal, vicious, barbaric murder; the perps would have to have felt passion (not sexual) towards him. This is not a random ‘lets go get us a Hungarian’ type of scenario. • MagyarViking True, so the victim most likely knew the perpetrators rather well Instinctively I would guess it is sexual related and an earlier victim of sexual harassment took a gruesome revenge That person is clearly not normal and needs to be isolated from the rest of society I build this on the removal of the eyes. Normally a sign that the murdered person saw or watched something, normally related to sexual acts The violence itself seems to indicate a male perp, probably a strong guy, because you do not break a spine very easy It can though be the result of being run over by a car, maybe several times, so it can still be a woman And the spot of finding the body does not need to be the scene of the crime So, there are many reasons why the Police do not want to speculate in public, then we and the local residents do that so good * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money* • …justasking @Viking, ‘I build this on the removal of the eyes. Normally a sign that the murdered person saw or watched something, normally related to sexual acts’ I did know, that the removal of the eyes would have made this a personal attack as opposed to random. What I did not know, was that it could be related to something of a sexual nature. • Liz Aucoin They released them because there was no evidence they committed the crime. They were arrested because they were gypsy, and local villagers CLAIMED it was them. • Detective Magyar BS Justasking like here -http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2012/04/brutal-gypsy-criminal-beheaded-elderly.html This is a typical Gypsy crime. 1) Spinal cord broken? Check. 2) Eyes gouged out. Check. 3) Beaten beyond recognition. Check. Conclusion, it is a gypsy crime. Gypsies did it. \They released them because there was no evidence they committed the crime. They were arrested because they were gypsy, and local villagers CLAIMED it was them.\ They were released because the police are afraid that the gypsies will get a backlash against them. They rather turn a blind eye to this, so there wont be any more death penalty marches. • MagyarViking ..or the Police is fully busy trying to find the REAL killer, like in Kiskunlacháza when * Monday, November 24, 2008, the first reports appeared in the Hungarian media about the murder of a fourteen-year-old girl named Nóra in the village of Kiskunlacháza in Pest County This murder was blamed on local Roma by the local Mayor, but the Police could during 2009 arrest and charged a local non-Roma with not so few forensic evidence This has not stopped the local Mayor and Jobbik and ‘bob’ to keep up this murder as a ‘gypsycrime’ then hatred does not know reason (-http://www.politics.hu/20100527/antiroma-attacks-continued-in-hungary-says-ai-2009-report/#comment-29719) and now we have ‘bob’s’ replacement – ‘maygar’ – No wonder Hungary is going down the drain… * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money* • Detective Magyar I have been keeping an eye on Gypsy Crime for a long time now, I would say I am even a bit of an expert. This case is textbook Gypsy crime, it has gypsy written all over it. Looking through my book on Gypsy Crime, I would say its a type H Gypsy crime. I am about 90% sure its a Gypsy. • …justasking @Magyar, Could you please reference the ‘textbook’, so that I might have a look at it? God you’re an airhead!!! • Detective Magyar Justasking relax, the textbook was a joke… Sometimes when I am in a good mood, I “play into” the “right wing nut” stereotypes, because the reaction of postcommies is just so damn funny! 😀 But not all of my post was a Joke, I do think it was a gypsy. I decided to combine my detective powers with Viking’s, and I come to the conclusion that: The Gypsy personally knew the victim, and the Gypsy crime was of sexual Nature, which makes it type M gypsy crime 😉 • …justasking @Magyar, ‘Sometimes when I am in a good mood’ You touch yourself? ————- ‘I “play into” the “right wing nut” stereotypes’ You’re not playing…you are a right-winged nut job. ——– ‘But not all of my post was a Joke, I do think it was a …’ Based on what? Are white, black, yellow, pink and purple not capable of doing such a horrendous crime? Look, I could care less if you want to be ultra right-winged; just make sure your beliefs are such, because of legit experiences and not assumptions. Which seems to be the way with you. • Detective Magyar Hey hey, who is talking about Skin Colour? If Gypsies were red, blue, orange or white skinned, nothing would change. But the fact is, Gypsies have committed many such crimes in the past. Btw, why such attitude all of the sudden? What is between me and Viking, George and all the others is what it is, between them and me. Please dont get involved. And I do have legitimate experiences. Trouble is, you only listen to the lies Viking spews out about me. My worry is, if I post details, people like Viking or George will simply laugh and say \Oh you deserved it!\ or \oh your relatives deserved it!\, so out of respect I will not post any. • …justasking @Magyar, ‘between them and me. Please dont get involved’ I’m not involved…all posters are free game on this site. ———- ‘And I do have legitimate experiences’ I really believe you do. My issue is, the way you generalize and include everyone in that community. ——— ‘Trouble is, you only listen to the lies Viking spews out about me’ That’s not true, I listen to everything you say and comment accordingly. Viking’s, Olga’s, Paul etc; their views are just that…theirs, and mine are mine. ——— ‘My worry is, if I post details, people like Viking or George will simply laugh and say \Oh you deserved it!\ ‘ Nobody would ever say that, if you had a valid grievance. • Curious George @Barney Fife – Well done, boy! Have a cookie. • Angry Magyar Fucking Hell (you made me lose my no swearing streak), I grew up with gypsies since I was about 5 years old, and now I have people claiming that I have no experiences with them, and I base everything from “hearsay”. Seriously, what right do these foreigners like Viking and George have to come into Hungary, insult Hungarians, insult our Culture, insult our history, insult everything we and our ancestors stood for. One of these days, somebody like Viking will take a shit on Hősök tere which will be the ultimate disrespect to our heritage, but sad thing is, He wont even realize it, and he will just laugh it off since he is “laid back” and in Sweden that kind of thing is probably socially acceptable! And then there are these Canadian Hungarians, who grew up in the rich, safe place that is Canada, who dont have a fucking clue of what its like to bear the brunt of Rural poverty in the 90s. Come the fall of communism, the Paper Mill in my village, which provided work for pretty much EVERY able adult there got shut down, and you can guess what happened. Nobody had work… While I was growing up, my family and I faced a lot of hardships, at one point we didnt have electricity and gas for a month, thankfully it was in the summer so it was doable. But off course, according to them, I am a rural moron, even though I managed to get out of the village, and lived about half my life in a city/larger town, or whatever you want to call it. Nowadays there is an SCA plant (Viking should know it ) plant there, but it only employs a fraction of what it used to be.. These people then tell us how to run our country, what kind of mentality we should have, what kind of music we should listen to (Viking openly wants Mulatós zene to take over). Not only that, but these people tell us how we should behave, who should we like or dislike, and they even want to remove our LEGALLY and DEMOCRATICALLY elected Prime minister. These people have no idea what we had to go through, and you have Red Eva sitting in her comfortable American home, probably on a fat ass pension, telling us how that scum piece of shit Gyurcsány should be the Prime Minister. And not only that, but these people say *I* am the ignorant one and the stupid one, even though these people are so fucking naive it is unbelievable. People like Paul who are hair away from saying that everybody must have a black cock up their arse in order to truly be “enriched” and “multicultural”. So I have an idea, why dont you all just take your shit somewhere else, and leave us “moronic, chauvinistic, inferior” Hungarians alone. We will get through this, we are strong people, we have gotten through much tougher shit before. The only thing that is preventing us are the outside powers who meddle in our affairs. /Rant over. • Magyar P.S, if you will reply to my post with typical insults Ala Viking or Curious George, then **** yourself, but if you reply normally, I am up for a debate. • Curious George @Gaymar – Oh you poor village sod! Boo fucking hoo! Yes – Olga & JA’s parents had it so easy being imprisoned, having to fight for Hungarians’ freedom, leaving their country, their possessions, and even dead family members behind, to start life all over again in a new country thousands of miles away, while your family endured tremendous hardship and suffering with no electricity and gas for one month during during the summer. Yes, yes, I am listening and can hear the world’s smallest violin playing in the background, while imagining how hard it was for your family to sit on their arses waiting for work to fall into their laps. I had written more earlier, but it got deleted when I accidently closed the wrong window. Won’t waste my time rewriting the rest, but it was a lot more along the same lines. What have you done for Hungary, besides warming Vona’s dick up your arse, and imagining that’s going to make a difference? I’m all ears? • Magyar @Stupid Monkey, the Jungle is waiting for you, I suggest you go back. \it was for your family to sit on their arses waiting for work to fall into their laps\ My family found work when there was none, and started their own business, a Pálinka distillery, you stupid fuck. If Olga and JA’s ancestors were anything like Red Eva, then good riddance! And if they were not, well then postcommie Olga is a disgrace to her ancestors. Btw, If a gypsy wrote the exact same story I wrote, you would pity him so much, maybe even send him some money, which shows what a anti-hungarian piece of shit you are. Now get the fuck out of my country. • Magyar ” Olga & JA’s parents had it so easy being imprisoned, having to fight for Hungarians’ freedom” My ancestors fought for Hungarian freedom too, against the Judeo-Communist hordes, , just like Olga and Ja’s ancestors but during WW2. And I am sure it was much harder for Olga’s parents to live in Canada, than my parents and grandparents having deal with “puny” Benes decrees, constant forced Slovakization, and other lovely things brought by Communists. • …justasking @Magyar, ‘My ancestors fought for Hungarian freedom too, against the Judeo-Communist hordes, , just like Olga and Ja’s ancestors but during WW2’ Well, my family fought and died in 1848, WWI, WWII as well as 56…tell me when we get to ‘who’s family’s more Magyar’. ——— ‘And I am sure it was much harder for Olga’s parents to live in Canada, than my parents and grandparents having deal with “puny” Benes decrees’ You don’t know WHAT they had to go through…you’re assuming to know what it was like and that it was all so easy. You’ve managed to reduce unfortunate events in Hungarian history, to a ‘who suffered more’ scenario, like it was some kind of competition and not external influences causing havoc to the Hungarian Nation. What’s wrong with you? PS: Is your family still in the Palinka business? Were they successful? Do I get a complimentary bottle of hooch, next time I’m in Hungary? • …justasking @ Magyar, ‘If Olga and JA’s ancestors were anything like’ Again, you go shooting your mouth off, about things you know nothing/to very little about. • Magyar Which part of that sentence confuses you? Were they like Red Eva (mega postcommie) or not? Its not hard. • …justasking @Magyar, ‘Were they like Red Eva (mega postcommie) or not? Its not hard’ I got a better idea, next Spring, when I’m in Hungary, I’ll introduce you to my family (sorry, Anyu and Apu have passed) you can ask THEM that question….and I’ll sit back and watch the sparks fly. • …justasking @Magyar, Am I to assume, your love letter was directed towards me? ‘you made me lose my no swearing streak’ Nobody can’t make you do anything you don’t want to do…unless you have a weak personality. So…do you? ——— ‘I am up for a debate’ What exactly, in your post, am I supposed to ‘debate’? Your experiences? That Viking, George and all those ‘other foreigners’ enjoy Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Thought in the democratic country? That people, like others the World over, are experiencing hardship…some harder than others? All that you wrote, does not justify/rationalize, your labeling of an ENTIRE community. SOME in that community? Yes. Can I see why you would find some of them distasteful? Of course. Do I think your overzealous in your frustration/anger? Yup. Do I think you’re a bad person for doing so? No. Misguided? Perhaps. PS: Please don’t hate me because I’m beautiful. • Magyar No it was not directed at you, but the postcommie “community”. Now, I shared some of my backround, what else do you want? I know its not exactly a typical Hol*caust survivor “I escaped from 10 concentration camps while being shot at and having my leg blown off my a landmine”. I am proud to have a village background, do you have anything against that? Certain Monkeys here are too scared to even name their country, even their continent. I wonder how embarrassed they must be, thats why they want to bring Hungary down to the same level as their shithole. • …justasking @Magyar, You really need to settle down. • Magyar bácsi Its difficult to settle down with the knowledge that people like Viking, George, Gyurcsány are in my country right this minute. You know what? I bet if I went off and volunteered at a shelter for homeless Roma, and handed them out food which I made myself, Viking and Monkey would somehow use it against me and to insult me. That is how they are. • …justasking @Magyar, ‘handed them out food which I made myself, Viking and Monkey would somehow use it against me and to insult me’ Well, that would depend if the food was edible or not. 🙂 • Liz Aucoin You have your opinions, whether I agree with them or not, based on your experiences. Just as we have ours based on our experiences. I should tell you something Magyar… Canada may be rich by your standards, but there are poor people here too, I grew up in such a family. When I lived in Hungary, we didn’t have electricity for 3 years. The communists punished us by only making my father eligible to work very low paying jobs. Most of which were not even enough to give us enough food. It was the gypsies in my class who fed me on a daily basis. Their families helped me get through some very dark times in my childhood. Can you see now why I do not beleive they are all bad, these families worked and did not commit crimes. With the little they had, they still reached out to help me. The communists also kept our birth certificates to prevent us from coming home to Canada. I don’t like communists and I don’t like Nazis, it is simple as that. But I am no rich kid from Canada. I paid for my own university and worked very hard to be where I am at. I am not rich now either. I will always believe in democracy and I will always beleive that hating doesn’t get you anywhere. • Magyar bácsi Hungary has a disease. It is the postcommie tapeworm that enveloped itself around the Hungarian society and Hungarian people. This tapeworm has many faces, some like Curious George, others like MSZP, SZDSZ, LMP, DK. It must be stamped out, removed from Hungarian society. Only then can Hungary flourish, be strong. Without the post commies, even Gypsy-Hungarian coexistence might become possible. But first, this tapeworm must be removed. • MagyarViking Angry Magyar says: September 14, 2012 at 10:12 pm Seriously, what right do these foreigners like Viking and George have to come into Hungary, insult Hungarians Because you were born in Slovakia? “Nowadays there is an SCA plant (Viking should know it ) plant there, but it only employs a fraction of what it used to be” (‘maygar’) “The Slovensky Kras National Park, which is near the Hungarian border, is renowned for its caves. SCA Hygiene Products has a major production facility in this area, with a workforce of some 1,200” (-http://www.sca.com/en/media/news-features/archive/2008/sca-is-cleaning-up-in-slovakia-/) Yes, but Swedish SCA has introduced newer production methods, that employs (sadly) less people, but puts less strain on the environment The latter part was not an option before 1990 and that is the part many Slovakians and Hungarians, who now are unemployed or just blame multi-nationals for everything bad, tend to forget Thanks for confirming that you grew up in the 1990s: “And then there are these Canadian Hungarians, who grew up in the rich, safe place that is Canada, who dont have a fucking clue of what its like to bear the brunt of Rural poverty in the 90s” ‘maygar’ tells the story, as The Viking Detective saw through in his earlier posts, about a period in a rural Southern Slovakia were the collapse of the Communist State and the disappearance of the COMECON market, created a social chaos Similar what went on around Ózd/Miskolc on the Hungarian part of the border, where you also had these big but so inefficient factories So, what conclusions should ‘maygar’ draw from his sad upbringing? a) How many from his neighbourhood in his age group are still there and how many did manage to get out? b) Did he get out because he was more clever, or he just had luck? c) Did any of the Roma teenagers he knew get out, or they are still there and are still all actually alive? All these experiences for ‘maygar’ just boils down to Roma, Roma and Roma ‘maygar’ has the last weeks introduced the Roma question in every thread, regardless the topic You get the impression ‘maygar’ is a bit obsessed with Roma Obviously ‘maygar’s’ upbringing was a traumatic one and we will never know how traumatic and I am not sure if we really care, then this type of forum is not the best for therapy * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money* • MagyarViking Magyar says: September 15, 2012 at 12:41 am Now get the fuck out of my country. But none of us are in *your* country, called Slovakia We live in Hungary, where you also immigrated to You may claim a higher moral ground for your immigration, but the legal fact is that we are all just immigrants In Sweden you would just be a Finn-Swede immigrating from Finland. We would all recognise your dialect (which I personally think is the most beautiful Swedish spoken) and no one would regard you as a 100% Swede, because you are from Finland, even if we share the same ethnicity But we do not share the same history, then Sweden lost its eastern part of the Kingdom 200 years ago Is this what fuels your rage – that Hungarians in general does not regard you Hungarian enough, so you take it out on the Roma, then they are even less Hungarian than you? * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money* • Curious George @Gaymar – So much of garbage. Essentially, everything your talked about, what you and your family experienced, & all your misguided anger seems to come from one thing – your inability to compete in a changing world, and the realization that other people can actually do things better than Hungarians. Let’s just start with answering just one question, shall we? Why do you think your village lost all those jobs? Well, the easy answer is – because no one would buy what you produced. Essentially, the factory was probably poorly managed, the workers unproductive, the technology outdated, and the money & customers non-existent. There were thousands of those factories, not only in Hungary, but also in other countries, so quit complaining. I’ve seen much worse in Russia, and all over the Eastern Bloc. If there was any possibility to revive them profitably, maybe some foreign investors might have put in money, equipment, technology and know-how because Hungarians didn’t have it at the time. My country has been importing Suzuki cars for years, bringing in millions of dollars in revenue to Hungary. – Do you have a problem with that? Suzuki has been giving thousands of jobs to Hungarians – you want them to pull out leaving those Hungarians unemployed? If you think Hungary has the technology to produce a Suzuki car on its own, and we would buy it, you are an idiot. You probably didn’t understand what Hungary’s 60th ranking in that recent study means. It means, Hungary is going to lose even more jobs in the near future – that much I guarantee. Hungary isn’t special in losing jobs. Look at Sweden – the 3rd most competitive country in the world. It is a country with fewer people than Hungary, but with better workers and world-class companies like Ericsson, Stora-Enso, Astra-Zeneca, TetraPak, Ikea, SKF, ABB, Bofors, Viggen, H&M, Electrolux, Skanska, Assa-Abloy etc but even they lost well known companies like Volvo and Saab. They’re not bitching like you are, but picking up and recreating their environments & themselves, because they can compete (must be all that multiculturalism). Paul wrote that the Czech Rep & Estonia maintained their competitive positions quite well & their economies are more stable than Hungary’s. Guess what, asshole – some years ago, I went to both countries (at the request of their govts) to help them look into how to improve their competitiveness when both countries were lagging behind Hungary. I once wrote about a German company in Hungary which could only produce 70% of the hourly output of their equivalent plant in Malaysia. Both plants had the same equipment, technology, and for a while, even the same person running both plants. The Hungarian workers made hundreds of excuses & had numerous arguments & fights with the German management, their Hungarian supervisors, & even themselves as to why they weren’t able to produce the same as 3rd world workers from Malaysia who were mostly less educated. Why do you think that was so? Well, the explanation is actually very easy – just look at Malaysia’s ranking (25th) They might be less educated, but the reality is, they make better workers than Hungarians. If you don’t like that reality, tough shit! Go kill yourself! If Hungary is to succeed, it needs to remove all the home-grown Magyar tapeworms which have infested their bodies and minds. You say I want to bring Hungary to the level of my shit-hole country. Well, my shit-hole’s GDP grew at between 4-15% even during this global crisis. That must be because we have low IQ, right? What does it say about yours? Oh yes – you are the Stephen Hawking in your village, right? Well, outside that village, you are a world-class simpleton & an idiot. What a waste of money for Hungary to give you an education. Every teenager in my country dreams of starting a business, working for a large corporation, or becoming successful professionals in a global market. With all that education, the best you can do is a palinka distillery – like Hungary didn’t have an alcoholism problem already. Next time you take a shit, use that diploma of yours, and …………… • MagyarViking Magyar says: September 15, 2012 at 12:41 am My family found work when there was none, and started their own business, a Pálinka distillery, you stupid fuck. So, in Slovakia it was allowed in the 90s to produce your own alcohol? Or they were in the moonshine business, selling bootlegged alcohol to poor Roma? • MagyarViking Sorry, forgot: * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money* • Magyar “With all that education, the best you can do is a palinka distillery” Did you not understand my post? I didn’t say I run it, but my family. Are you going to insult them now? And whats wrong with a Pálinka distillery? They enjoy doing it, money is not bad, and its being rolled out on a nationwide scale. Not everybody wants to be some big ass corporate no soul motherfucker. ” Well, outside that village, you are a world-class simpleton & an idiot.” Not really, like I said, I spent half of my life in a city, and even lived abroad for some time. I prefer village life by choice, the peace, the tranquility, the community feeling, there are so many upsides to it which I love. Off course you wouldn’t understand, the only thing you seem to care about is how much money people earn. “Viking”, Too bad Albert Wass is not around, maybe if you called him a foreigner and a Romanian, you would not last longer on this earth. I come from Upper Hungary, we eat gulyás and drink Pálinka , even the “Slovaks”. It is really nothing like FinlandSwedes. People accept me as 100% Hungarian. The only Hungarians which sometimes experience rejection are Székelys, I heard one person refer to them as “half Romanians”, and there is a joke, “The fastest way to turn a Székely into a Romanian is to send him to Budapest”. “period in a rural Southern Slovakia were the collapse of the Communist State and the disappearance of the COMECON market, created a social chaos Similar what went on around Ózd/Miskolc on the Hungarian part of the border” Finally you got something right. THe transition from communism was pretty unsuccesfull, and a lot of people lost Jobs, especially Gypsies. “Obviously ‘maygar’s’ upbringing was a traumatic one” Not really, I had a happy childhood in the countryside 😀 During the fall of communism, and a short period after, I wasnt yet old enough to understand what was going on, so life was good. I even somewhat enjoyed not having the electricity around somewhat, we had a barbecue every day 😀 The way you hate me is just so funny 😀 Had a different person written this, or a gypsy, your replies would have been so different, but you simply feel the need to attack me. Like I said before I bet if I went off and volunteered at a shelter for homeless Roma, and handed them out food which I made myself, Viking and Monkey would somehow use it against me and to insult me. • Viking Magyar says: September 15, 2012 at 12:46 pm “Viking”, Too bad Albert Wass is not around, maybe if you called him a foreigner and a Romanian, you would not last longer on this earth Well, I would never call a FinnSwede for a Finn, so I do not think I would call Wass Albert for a Romanian But I notice, who have ethnic Hungarians from Hungary, Slovakia, Romania and Ukraine employed, that they seem to refer to the ‘others’ as either the ‘ukran’ or ‘erdeyi’ or ‘slovak’ One of the guys, who is, as you, born in SLovakia, thought it was terrible that he did not speak the language of the country he was born in. You are about the same age, 20-25 and probably as you, he is a Fradi-supporter, then he is right-wing This summer, as last summer, I noticed several families/parties obviously coming from Slovakia, who spoke mixed Slovakian/Hungarian Sometimes they knew both languages, sometimes the spoke internally in Slovakian, but when ordering it was a few who spoke Hungarian, the rest would prefer English So, there is obviously, at least in Slovakia a working integration, not assimilation, between the two groups (who actually could have been the same before one of them were forced being something else (worked both ways!)) But I assume, these Hungarian-speaking Slovaks are not very pushy on the question of Upper Hungary and that Slovakia’s history can be found in an SMS… It is peaceful co-existence, accepting status quo and trying to improve the conditions for all people in the are that creates success, not revisionism * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money* • Viking Magyar says: September 15, 2012 at 12:46 pm I bet if I went off and volunteered at a shelter for homeless Roma, and handed them out food which I made myself, Viking and Monkey would somehow use it against me and to insult me I would use that money you would lose on that bet to sponsor you in your quest for working at a “shelter for homeless Roma” and hand out food to them, as long as this does not involve any political statements or insulting the people receiving the benefits I would prefer an ecumenical driven organisation, or the Hungarian Red Cross, then they tend to be the better organisations Not the “Jobbik”-styled organisations, who refuse to give out help to Roma, only to ‘Real Hungarians’ • Viking Forgot: * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money* • Magyar You are right, Hungarians from Upper Hungary seem to be one of the least nationalistic, pro assimilation Hungarians around. I know many people with Hungarian names, Hungarian parents, who cannot speak a word of Hungarian, and consider themselves Slovak. It is very sad, so sad. Autonomy for Southern Upper Hungary is a must!! • Magyar Btw, since you did not insult me, I assume the post at 1:26 pm is a fake post. • MagyarViking Asshole! Feels better now? * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money* • Magyar At least I now know that is possible for you to make one post directed at me without hurling any insults. • Curious George @Maygar – “I didn’t say I run it, but my family. Are you going to insult them now?” Why not? You’ve insulted pretty much everyone here, every ethnic group & nationality you can think of, including referring to people as low IQ idiots, ugly apes, criminals, and other derogatory names. “Not everybody wants to be some big ass corporate no soul motherfucker.” Right, that is only reserved for your motherfucking family who enjoys making money, by rolling out palinka on a nationwide scale to add to the growing trend of alcoholism in Hungary. I have a friend back home who has a 2 person company which buys European fruit juices, drinks, & fruit products to sell to several countries in Africa. You know what the difference is? Your palinka distillery is a domestic business and doesn’t do anything to increase Hungary’s GNP, or the well-being of its people, but only likely its healthcare costs. If you were entrepreneurial enough to sell it outside Hungary (unlikely), or created other products of value to Hungary and other countries, I’d be more impressed. But that is unlikely, considering your can’t interact with people different from you without being condescending and insulting. “..I spent half of my life in a city, and even lived abroad for some time.” Big fucking deal. Village simpletons can live also in a city. There’s no law against it. The fact that you brought it up as some sort of badge of honor that you’ve graduated to understanding the world, is evidence that you’re still an idiot. I was born in a third world country, and grew up in a big city. What made me understand more of the world, is when I saw how insignificant any community is, and that how everyone’s well-being is somehow linked, whether we like it or not. Hell, my father had to come and serve in Europe in WWII not because he wanted to, but because there were no jobs, and because your “European” war wasn’t contained in Europe, but spilled over to other parts of the world. “…the only thing you seem to care about is how much money people earn.” Really? Shows how much you understand about what I’ve been saying in all my posts. I drive a 6 year old Opel, live in a simple apt in a Hungarian neighborhood, wear$10 shirts (I’ve even got a $4 shirt which I sometimes point out to my students when I talk about good value products), have a Nokia X1 phone (cost$25 – no camera), am happy eating a simple burger, ride a HUF28000 bike from Tesco, fly economy, and cut my own hair. The point I’ve been talking about not about making money, but in keeping businesses successful, so that citizens can keep working, maintain a decent standard of living, and essentially not be forced to suffer and take to the streets or beg for handouts.

If you volunteered at a homeless Roma shelter, I get the feeling the Roma would probably run off at the sight of you in your jackboots, Garda outfit, and the metal pipe in your hands. As JA pointed out, why should the Roma trust you, and as Viking pointed out, if you did it, you’d probably only do it for political reasons or to have the opportunity to insult them. You are an asshole, and peppering smiley faces throughout your post don’t change that fact.

• Magyar bácsi

What I find funny, is how you accuse my family of sitting on their ass waiting for work to fall into their laps, yet you defend all those jobless Gypsies. Even though a lot of rural Hungarians grow up under similar, or even the same conditions as Gypsies.

Curious George’s logic:

Unemployed Hungarians: stupid village simpletons who are lazy.

Unemployed Gypsies: Innocent, hard working people, but because of Jobbik they cannot get any jobs.

• Magyar bácsi

George, you are a fucking hypocrite.

You complain everything I say, not because of what I say, but because I am the one who says it.

My father first founded his company from nothing.
We buy locally grown fruit from local farmers, not import third world crap (if we did, we would make more profit, and by your logic, we would also buy ourselves more happiness, right? )

I am not a great fan of capitalism, but if its on a local level, I am fine with it, which is why I am not a great fan of putting it into shops, but it was necessary to survive in this economic climate.

Your attempt to try and make me feel guilty about it is rather pathetic.

At least we are doing something, when there was no work around, thinking outside the box was needed.

I am perfectly happy with it, and my life. Sure, I probably don’t have as much money on my bank account as Mr George the Businessman.
But do I give a fuck? No.

The product is high quality, and has won several competitions in the country.

Sure, I guess somebody can only achieve happiness when they are some sort of Investment Banker on Wall Street, but I dont need that kind of shit to feel happy 😀
Maybe you do?

I do not see the point in continuing this conversation with you, because it is going nowhere. It ends up with me being the big bad evil Magyar 😀 😀

• Paul

Actually Magyar it is a rather good post, sincere and so on. I don’t agree with a lot…but still.
But don’t, I repeat do not call George a hypocrite. He is far from that. Thank you.

• Magyar

He calls my family lazy and claimed that we wait for work to fall into our laps.

But at the same time he defends gypsies, many who never looked for work in their life.

Is that not Hypocrisy ? maybe its “huichelarij”

PS. He calls me many things from which I am very far from, maybe you ought to complain about that too?

• Magyar

Lets see:

74% of Gypsy men and 83% of gypsy women are unemployed.
Less than 1% of Roma hold higher educational certificates.
44% of Gypsy children are in special schools.
A research of sample schools however suggests that the drop-out rate among Roma is still almost twice as high as among non-Roma.

61% of Gypsies aged 15 and above have completed primary education, while only 13% have completed secondary education

Less than 1% of Gypsies hold higher educational certificates

Maybe George should say something about that?
Most gypsies are uneducated and jobless, yet he has the nerve to insult me and my family, who are educated and working people, and claim that WE are stupid, uneducated and lazy, while he defends gypsies, most who dont even complete secondary education, and are unemployed.

Again Paul, how is he NOT a hypocrite?

• …justasking

@Magyar,

If it’s any consolation, George and I used to go at it the same way..obviously, I was a more worthy opponent. 🙂

There are somethings that both of you brought up, that I would like to put my 2 bits in…which I will do a little later today; but, right now, I gotta run.

• Curious George

@Maygar – Stop lying, and don’t try to analyze someone else’s logic. You are BAD at logic, even your own.
I usually almost never speak about how hard working Gypsies are, but about the discrimination they face. The one time I spoke about a particular group of Gypsies worked, was when I mentioned an international company in Hungary which has 250 Roma workers out of their 700 workers. Because of how they were organized, the Roma workers worked just as well as their Hungarian “colleagues”.
Anyway, this is closer to my logic:
a. Unemployed Hungarians – not being able to produce enough value addition through their work. May be the case of them being bad, or simply the company not being able to survive in a competitive world.
b. Unemployed Gypsies – usually not give a fair chance to prove themselves (with the right incentives)in a non discriminatory environment.
c. Stupid village simpletons – Maygar.
Is this simple enough for you?

For your second post
Third world crap? – yeah, keep talking about that, just like the Hungarian workers whocouldn’tproduce the same level of output as the 3rd world Malaysian workers, no matter how hard they tried. They even denied that it was possible to achieve those levels, until the company got fed up, and eventually got the Malaysian line supervisors to fly in and show them how to do it. And, I’ve never mentioned profits, moron. I’ve have always focused on sustainable operations in the face of competition.
Thinking outside the box? – Your fucking brain is still inside a box, unwrapped, unused, and still with the warranty card not filled out. Maybe in your little village, your father’s “entrepreneurial spirit” might be impressive. In the global world, not so. Many uni students and maybe even some high-school students from home could probably do better. Don’t take this personally. They could also outdo me (what can I say, the younger generations are getting smarter all the time)

The product is high quality, and has won several competitions in the country.
“But do I give a fuck? No.”

Businessman? I’ve never been a businessman in my life! Where did you read this, or does your little brain conjure up mental images based on what you haven’t read or understood? I remember you saying you don’t mean what you write, and another occasion, you commented extensively on something that you admitted you didn’t even read. Very impressive!
And, I hate bankers.

I am not a great fan of capitalism, but if its on a local level, I am fine with it,…
No one gives a fuck if you’re fine with it or not, or your opinion on capitalism. It exists, deal with it!

It ends up with me being the big bad evil Magyar
No, it started with you being the evil Slovak Hungarian with a bad attitude, huge ego, small brain, and a big mouth. That hasn’t changed.

• …justasking

@George,

‘No, it started with you being the evil Slovak Hungarian’

If a person was born in say Slovakia, Canada, Turkey, China etc etc of Hungarian decent…that makes them a Hungarian Slovak, Hungarian Canadian, Hungarian Turk etc, etc. BUT, if a person is BORN in Hungary, and MOVES to Slovakia, Canada, Turkey, China…then, would they be a Slovak Hungarian, Canadian Hungarian, Turkish Hungarian.

The country in where you are BORN, goes on the end.

Just FYI…

PS: You have to go by what that country is called at the TIME of your birth, and not what you feel it should be.

Resume…fighting…NOW!!!

• Magyar

There is no such thing as “Slovakia”, and no such people as “Slovaks”, therefore it is impossible to be a “Slovak Hungarian”.

There are no “Romanian Hungarians”, or “Serbian Hungarians”.

Just because our country was carved up, it doesnt change our ethnicity.

• …justasking

@Magyar,

‘There is no such thing as…’

Well, if that’s how you want to look at things, be my guest…just don’t expect a peaceful coexistence with Hungary’s neighbors anytime soon.
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‘Just because our country was carved up, it doesnt change our ethnicity’

You’re mixing up an injustice with reality…it happened.

Question is? Where do we go from here?

I’m not saying that we don’t grieve for Trianon. I’m not saying that we forgive o forget Trianon…I’m saying, lets not let it define us as a people. You wanna get back at people? You show them, that you can survive anything that gets thrown at you.

The way I see it? That’s what’s missing in the politicians of Hungary today…they are so busy filling up their coffers, thinking only short term on how everything impacts THEM, the Hungarian people are falling by the way side. Shame on the people of Hungary for tolerating this and allowing it to continue.

The people need to remind the Government about who works for who…who’s the employee and who’s the employer.

• Leto مؤدّب

@justasking:

I disagree. I think it’s the defining ethnicity which goes on the end.
So, for example, if a Hungarian person was born in Felvidék (the area most maps shows as \Slovakia\) and he considers himself Hungarian then he is a Slovak(ian) Hungarian. If he settles down in Germany then he’ll become German Hungarian.

Centrum censeo MSZP delendum est.

• …justasking

@Leto,

Disagree all you want; but, that’s the way it is. When people start putting their ethnicity/religion etc on the end, that means that they identify more with that, than their ‘real’ nationality.

This has nothing to do with what a person feels, that’s another issue, I’m talking from a ‘legal stand point.

PS: Are you impressed with my italics and bolding techniques? George showed me how to do it…

• Magyar حزب الله

I have a question.

Say I got to Italy for a holiday, am I a Hungarian Italian or Italian Hungarian?
Thanks!

• Curious George

“Say I got to Italy for a holiday, am I a Hungarian Italian or Italian Hungarian?”
If you go to Italy for a holiday, you’re a bloody tourist! Glad I could help 🙂

• …justasking

@George,

Ya bet me to the punch!

• Magyar حزب الله

Ok, if I was born in international waters, what will I have to call myself in order to satisfy Leto and Justasking?
International Hungarian?

Can’t I just call myself Hungarian?
I do not consider myself Slovak, or Slovak Hungarian, I amsimply Hungarian. Is there anything wrong with that?

• …justasking

@Magyar,

‘Ok, if I was born in international waters..’

It would then depend on who’s jurisdiction those waters fall under.
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‘what will I have to call myself in order to satisfy Leto and Justasking?’

You’re not listening to me…you can identify yourself with whatever nationality makes you feel complete. If that’s Hungarian.? Then I consider you Hungarian. Congo? Than Congolese it is.

You are mixing up passion and legality…or more like your heart with your head, if you will.
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‘Can’t I just call myself Hungarian?’

Of course.
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‘I do not consider myself Slovak, or Slovak Hungarian, I amsimply Hungarian’

Fine, just don’t deny a Slovakians right to call themselves Slovakian in their own country…regardless how that country came about.
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‘Is there anything wrong with that?’

Not at all. Just don’t allow your ego to define who you are as a person via your nationality/heritage.

You are more than simply ‘Hungarian’…it’s a part of who you are, not what you are…or so it should be.

• Leto مؤدّب

@justasking:

I’ve got no idea about the “legal stand point” here. To tell the truth, I’m not really interested in that much. 🙂
My remark was a political one.

Yeah, it’s nice and I’m impressed with your techniques. 🙂 I could have told you much earlier if you had asked. :p

Centrum censeo MSZP delendum est.

• …justasking

@Leto,

‘My remark was a political one’

Of course it was. People can turn just about anything into a political issue…does not mean they should.

But, in the case of Magyar, I don’t think his identifying himself as strictly ‘Hungarian’, is a political one; but an emotional one.

God!!! I gotta stop watching the Oprah channel and reading Deepak Chopra…I’m getting all fluffy here.
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‘I could have told you much earlier if you had asked’

Great, now you tell me! So, how do I go about making the happy face with a smirk?

• Magyar

To do a wink face

Do ; ), but no gap between the ; and )

• justasking

@Magyar,

😉 Thanks Magyar!!!

• Magyar

“, but about the discrimination they face.”
Oh boo fucking hoo. Poor gypsies, all that discrimination they face! There is a reason for it you know.

“Third world crap”
I was talking about food.
Or do you support importing food cheaply grown in the third world, instead of buying local fruits, vegetables, meat?

“No one gives a fuck if you’re fine with it or not, or your opinion on capitalism. It exists, deal with it!”
Nobody gives a fuck about your opinion of “racism” in Hungary, it exists. Deal with it.

“No, it started with you being the evil Slovak Hungarian with a bad attitude, huge ego, small brain, and a big mouth. That hasn’t changed.”
What the fuck is a “Slovak Hungarian”?
I am Hungarian, not Slovak, otherwise you are a “Hungarian jungleman”, because you live here.

” In the global world, not so.”
My fathers intention never was to “compete on the global level” so I dont care, and neither does he 😀
It is a small 5 man business, I never claimed that it is the next Microsoft, what is so hard to fucking understand?

• ccCurious George

There is a reason for it you know.
How is it, that this international company from a “third world country” is able to overcome this reason, by treating the Roma and Hungarian workers exactly the same?

Or do you support importing food cheaply grown in the third world,…
I do! Otherwise, we’d starve back home, since we cannot grow much to feed our people. We don’t mind buying expensive food grown by your farmers, but only if it is as good as the other expensive food grown by the American, Australian, Canadian, Thai, Argentinian, Vietnamese, South African, and New Zealand farmers

Nobody gives a fuck about your opinion of “racism” in Hungary, it exists.
Thank you for acknowledging it exists. For a change, you don’t have to give a fuck about my opinion. I’ll let everyone else who deals with Hungary worry about about it. 🙂
What the fuck is a “Slovak Hungarian”?
I’m guessing – you! What the fuck is a “Hungarian jungleman?” Did you mean “gentleman”? Thank you, but, like you, I’m not really Hungarian.
….never to compete on a global scale
Apologies here. I should have made myself clearer when I said global. Take it to mean “real world” not the world limited by your village boundaries. In the real world, global products come to your doorstep, so it doesn’t matter if your father doesn’t want to be a Microsoft. In the real world, Starbucks can set up just 300m from my friend’s 4th generation Vienna cafe, and his customers don’t mind paying twice as much for “worse” coffee.

Now, if you’ll excuse me, I need to get back to my Arsenal game. We’re winning 4-1. 🙂

• justasking

@Magyar & Georgie,

I’m gonna kill 2 birds with 1 stone on this post, cause I think each of you made some valid points.

‘My family found work when there was none, and started their own business, a Pálinka distillery’

Hats off to your family for doing just that. Micro breweries/distilleries, are big business today. You employ people, make money and spend money. This is what makes the World go’ round.

If people tend to want to overindulge in your product…that’s none of your concern. It’s called supply and demand, and George knows this.

He’s just trying to blow smoke up your ass to make a point.
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‘You probably didn’t understand what Hungary’s 60th ranking in that recent study means. It means, Hungary is going to lose even more jobs in the near future ‘

For companies, it’s just business..nothing personal. They look at…how much do they have to invest to get ‘X’ amount of profit back’. Capitalism is good, until it crosses over to greed.

Magyar, I’m sure your family is not a ‘non-profit organization’ and understands this concept.
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‘THe transition from communism was pretty unsuccesfull, and a lot of people lost Jobs, especially G*psies’…’74% of Gypsy men and 83% of gypsy women are unemployed.

So, you’ve established that when work is available…people work. When work is taken away and replaced with State subsidies…people don’t, eventually won’t want too because of this catch-net.

Blame the Government for allowing this scenarios to happen.

I look at the 56’ers who are in my community. When they came, they simply wanted freedom.. Well, in Canada, they got just that.

Unlike today’s’ immigrants, there was no monthly stipend, free English classes or subsidized living areas to help in their ‘transition period’…it was ‘Welcome to Canada…sink or swim’
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‘44% of Gypsy children are in special schools…suggests that the drop-out rate among Roma is still almost twice as high as among non-Roma.

61% of Gypsies aged 15 and above have completed primary education, while only 13% have completed secondary education’

This to me, can be laid squarely at the feet of the parents. It’s child-abuse plain and simple, and should be treated as such. Beating a child into a paste, or denying them a future to me is equally evil.
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‘Unemployed Hungarians – not being able to produce enough value addition through their work. May be the case of them being bad, or simply the company not being able to survive in a competitive world’

Could this not be tied into years of being told what to do, when to do it under Communism?
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There is more I’d like to address, I simply got tired of scrolling up and down, back and forth.

• Curious George

@JA – “Angry Maygar’s” original statement (to you) about job loss was phrased in such a way as justify his spite against others, and to imply that his family was unique in having to face hardships. Well, surprise, surprise – job losses, factory closures, and unemployment have taken place every day, all over the world, since the beginning of the industrial revolution. When there is no work, you either move to where there is work, or start something on your own. OK, his family started a distillery to sustain themselves. The net GNP contribution (to the country as a whole) is actually very little, since any success is probably at the expense of some other local palinka producer – palinka production, in this part of the world, is almost an entirely local business. Anyway, you don’t see him weeping for the other palinka producers, do you? You’re right about me tugging his goat with the over-consumption comments. I think consumption should be a personal responsibility issue. Nonetheless, I think it would be better if any new business was created in a sector where there wasn’t already an existing problem. Oh, yeah, my other reason for denigrating their efforts, was his blatant hypocrisy in claiming success for his family, while believing it would be evil if some “third world” student, halfway around the world, even dreams of business success in their own ways.

I don’t buy any of Hungarian Slovak’s numbers and hence arguments. He consistently fails to show his sources, lies, or simply pulls up numbers out of his arse.

Unemployed Hungarians – I think your explanation depends on the timeline you’re referring to. In 1990, that view might have been correct. Today, no-one under 45 should have that excuse.
Btw, my perception of “the unemployed” applies equally to workers of any country.

Having read about his feelings of total loss of his sense of personal identity, you almost feel sorry for the poor sod (lordy, did you ever – Hungarian Italian??? 😀 😀 )
But then, you look at all his current (& past) derogatory, insulting, and racist comments including the proud declaration that his ancestors burned other human beings, any empathy you feel for this Slovak Hungarian asshole just vanishes.

• JA aka justasking

@George,

‘(lordy, did you ever – Hungarian Italian???’

Yeah, that one took me by surprise 😀
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‘In 1990, that view might have been correct. Today, no-one under 45 should have that excuse’

True, but if you grew up in an environment, where things have come easy, and now your competing with people where this was not the case…it’s gonna take awhile to realise what’s happening.

Hopefully, it doesn’t take too long.

• Magyar

“and to imply that his family was unique in having to face hardships”
Eermm, I did say it happened in the whole village, and in another post I mentioned that the same thing happened in most of the Rural South Slovakia and North East Hungary. My family was just an example, one out of many George, one out of many in the region.

and My sources are here
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_(Romani_subgroup)#Czech_Republic_and_Slovakia

• Magyar

“Having read about his feelings of total loss of his sense of personal identity, you almost feel sorry for the poor sod (lordy, did you ever – Hungarian Italian???”

The Hungarian Italian was a sarcastic Joke, aimed at the fact that Justasking and Leto were telling us what to call ourselves, in my case, “Slovak Hungarian”.
I have not lost my sense of identity, and its stronger than ever, don’t worry George 😀

• Paul

“the proud declaration that his ancestors burned other human beings”…yep we know your basic identity.

• Magyar

I said that my ancestors, as well as the ancestors of most Europeans burnt or otherwise punished gays (sorry Paul), that is an undeniable fact, so whats the problem?

• Paul

EHHH?…ancestors burned other human beings…is a problem, don’t you think.

• Magyar

Since you are Germanic (I assume anyway, you could be one of those Indonesian New Dutch), your ancestors were Vikings that went around, burning Churches and raping women.

Should you feel guilty because of that?

• Paul

I assume anyway, you could be one of those Indonesian New Dutch. You assume a lot.I am a Roma Gay and J*wish. What is the problem?

• Magyar حماس‎

“I said that my ancestors, as well as the ancestors of most Europeans burnt or otherwise punished gays”

BEfore Curious George goes Ape at me, I meant that I said that My ancestors did it.
But now I am saying that your ancestors did it too.

• Curious George

Yes, but you seem particularly proud of the fact.

• Curious George

“I did say it happened in the whole village….”

@Rural Slovak Hungarian – Aw, are you backtracking now, and trying to moderate your posts? What happened to Angry Maygar’s post to JA “who dont have a fucking clue of what its like to bear the brunt of Rural poverty in the 90s.” Relax, we all know that what you went through is sooo special, that it gives you the right to verbally abuse everyone else.

Btw, I also know someone “special” (like you) whose country was once part of a larger “mother country” when he was born. After a few years, he suddenly lost his original passport, and became a citizen of this new country, and to boot it all off – he’s now part of a recognized minority ethnic group in this new country? This guy is my niece’s uncle. He’s now somewhere in Europe (Budapest, I think) doing something or other. I’ll give you more details as I get them. Really! No one can make this shit up!

Sarcastic joke? No, no, you clueless sod! I’ve met many Slovaks, and I’ve met even more Hungarians, and you can trust me on this – you are a Slovak Hungarian (to locals like Leto), or a Hungarian Slovak (to JA & others like her, who also recognize and are proud of their other nationalities). To millions of others from all over the world, you’re just a plain ol’ Slovak (with a Slovak passport), from some hick-town in Slovakia. Anyway, to sum it all (just so you don’t get confused), you’re special and all, BUT, you have NO right to tell any Hungarian (Roma, Jew, or gay) to get the hell out of their country.

btw – didn’t they teach you to list credible references without being asked, or do you think your word here as a Slovak is taken as gospel? 😉

• Curious George

“I did say it happened in the whole village….”

@Rural Slovak Hungarian – Aw, are you backtracking now, and trying to moderate your posts? What happened to Angry Maygar’s post to JA “who dont have a fucking clue of what its like to bear the brunt of Rural poverty in the 90s.” Relax, we all know that what you went through is sooo special, that it gives you the right to verbally abuse everyone else.

Btw, I also know someone “special” (like you) whose country was once part of a larger “mother country” when he was born. After a few years, he suddenly lost his original passport, and became a citizen of this new country, and to boot it all off – he’s now part of a recognized minority ethnic group in this new country? This guy is my niece’s uncle. He’s now somewhere in Europe (Budapest, I think) doing something or other. I’ll give you more details as I get them. Really! No one can make this shit up!

Sarcastic joke? No, no, you clueless sod! I’ve met many Slovaks, and I’ve met even more Hungarians, and you can trust me on this – you are a Slovak Hungarian (to locals like Leto), or a Hungarian Slovak (to JA & others like her, who also recognize and are proud of their other nationalities). To millions of others from all over the world, you’re just a plain ol’ Slovak (with a Slovak passport), from some hick-town in Slovakia. Anyway, to sum it all (just so you don’t get confused), you’re special and all, BUT, you have NO right to tell any Hungarian (Roma, J$w, or gay) to get the hell out of their country. btw – didn’t they teach you to list credible references without being asked, or do you think your word here as a Slovak is taken as gospel? 😉 Damn, forgot that I used the forbidden word – this is a repost. • Magyar bácsi 12:46 pm |“period in a rural Southern Slovakia were the collapse of the Communist State and the disappearance of the COMECON market, created a social chaos Similar what went on around Ózd/Miskolc on the Hungarian part of the border” Finally you got something right. THe transition from communism was pretty unsuccesfull, and a lot of people lost Jobs, especially Gypsies.| I have a Hungarian passport thank you very much. And like I said, there is no nation as Slovakia (tót nem ember) If you take a Hungarian flag, and paint over it with panslavic colours, it doesnt make it a new country. I do not recognize \Slovakia\ as a sovereign entity. Fake people, no history, on stolen land, its that simple. In my village, everybody speaks Hungarian, even the Slovaks. I have seen Slovaks talk to each other in Hungarian. They eat Hungarian food, drink Hungarian drinks. If I was to take a piece out of your Narnia, and call it Neverland, and brainwashed everyone there to think that they are Neverlandian, and they speak Neverlandish, they wouldn’t become a new country, they would always be Narnian. • Curious George And like I said, there is no nation as Slovakia @Rural Slovak – Yes, that’s why you traveled on a Slovak passport, and still continue to keep one. • Magyar bácsi Thankfully due to the new rules, I got myself a Hungarian passport quickly and easily 😀 So According to you, all “határon túli magyarok” are just Romanians, Serbs, Slovaks, Ukrainians? Listen to me you motherfucker, you crossed the line here. You have the nerve to come here and make fun of and belittle Trianon. FUCK YOU ASSHOLE • JA aka justasking @Magyar, ‘You have the nerve to come here and make fun of and belittle Trianon’ Please direct me to the post where he does just that. • Leto مؤدّب “you have NO right to tell any Hungarian (Roma, J$w, or gay) to get the hell out of their country”

And why shouldn’t he? Thanks to the second Orbán-government, now he’s a full Hungarian citizen just like me who was born in Csonka-Magyarország. He’ll cast his vote in the 2014 Hungarian general elections and you won’t. :p

Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

• Magyar

Leto, as a Hungarian from Csonka-Magyarország, do you accept Hungarians detached from Hungary as Hungarians?

Or do you reject them, and class them as Slovaks, Romanians or whatever?

It is a stupid question, I know, but George thinks otherwise.

• Leto مؤدّب

It’s a very stupid question indeed. No need to answer it.

PS: Don’t think for a second my opinion has changed about you.

Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

• Magyar

“Don’t think for a second my opinion has changed about you.”

The same goes for you Leto.

You are a still a “Zsidesz Moron” 😀 , which is a shame really, but I blame KISZ.

• Curious George

Yes, it’s a stupid question because Leto already answered it. Let me refresh your memory!

…So, for example, if a Hungarian person was born in Felvidék (the area most maps shows as \Slovakia\) and he considers himself Hungarian then he is a Slovak(ian) Hungarian.
Leto مؤدّب says: September 15, 2012 at 6:41 pm

So, there you go, Slovak Hungarian!. If you don’t like that, maybe you could go on holiday to Italy, and then you could become an Italian Hungarian. 😀 😀 I’m assuming, of course, that you recognize Italy as a “sovereign entity”. LOL!

• Leto مؤدّب

@CG:

I actually meant “szlovákiai magyar”. You don’t say such a thing in English but this means “Hungarian from Slovakia”
Likewise “németországi magyar” would be the correct Hungarian phrase where I wrote “German Hungarian”.
-i turns a noun, which means a location, into an adjective.

As opposed to this, “szlovák magyar” is nonsense because you compound adjectives only if it means multiple identities. That is if a ethnic Slovak in Hungary considers himself Hungarian and Slovak at the same time then he is a “szlovák magyar”.
The Hungarian language makes such distinctions, English doesn’t seem to.

Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

• Leto مؤدّب

And if he considers himself Slovak chiefly then he is “magyarországi szlovák”.

Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

• Magyar

The correct term is felvidéki magyar.

“if a ethnic Slovak in Hungary considers himself Hungarian and Slovak at the same time then he is a “szlovák magyar”.”

I consider myself Hungarian, and Hungarian only.

“now seeing Magyar’s denial of the existence of Slovakia”
George, you can’t just create countries out of thin air.
Fake countries like FYROM, Kosovo, Slovakia, all have been created out of thin air, by greater powers, in order to divide and conquer.

• Leto مؤدّب

“The correct term is felvidéki magyar.”

Ok, sorry, you are right.

Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

• Magyar حماس‎

And a hungarian from “vojvodina” would not be “serbian hungarian”, but délvidéki magyar.

• Curious George

@JA, Leto, Paul – I am withdrawing from this thread. After reading Magyar’s posts all these weeks, and now seeing Magyar’s denial of the existence of Slovakia and his past association with it, it is clear to me that Magyar is mentally ill. Despite all he has said to me about my background or race, I feel it is not correct for me to engage him, try to debate his logic, or make fun of him, his family, his heritage & his unfortunate history. I do hope he gets appropriate treatment and finds the solace he needs. Please do not engage him on account of me.

@Magyar – I apologize for all I have said! You are indeed a Hungarian, and I wish you a great life in Hungary.

• JA aka justasking

@George,

Don’t you dare leave without me!!

• Magyar

JA, dont go! I will miss you! 🙁

• Curious George

@JA – relax, it’s only this thread. Anyway, going to be busy for the next couple of days. Have a great week.

• Magyar

Jobbiks policies would actually benefit non-criminal Gypsies.

Ghettofication of criminals, gendarmarrie will keep both Gypsies and Hungarians safe from the criminals.

The post commies are inciting Gypsies to attack Hungarians.

Foreign funded NGOs encourage Gypsies to attack Hungarians, and they encouridge gypsy nationalism.

Jobbik will be the best thing for a peaceful Gypsy-Hungarian coexistence, like those Gypsies in Tura illustrate.

Jobbik should have Gypsy divisions in the Guard, these should then patrol Gypsy areas in Borsod.

• Magyar حماس‎

-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZnoQ-WIQlU

-http://kuruc.info/r/2/101476/

This scumbag commie will get what he deserves.

• olga

@ Magyar

Oh no , I just saw this: “During the fall of communism, and a short period after, I wasnt yet old enough to understand what was going on, so life was good. I even somewhat enjoyed not having the electricity around somewhat, we had a barbecue every day”

My son was born in 1981 but based on your opinions I thought you were in your 70’s going on 90 and now I find out you are likely younger than my son – you gotta be kidding

I’ve had my quota of Kuruc articles this month but while I wish your last sentence came true true, I tend to believe Leto who thinks the wheel of justice will be turning slow which means he’ll die of old age and his victims’ families will be denied that modicum of comfort and some closure

• Magyar

Olga what does it matter how old I am?

• Magyar

Olga I recommend yoy watch this video

-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtMbTjSUlw0

Dont worry, its not Kuruc, but an excerpt of a film made by a Dutch-Hungarian woman. It is about the Hungarian youth and nationalism. This new generation is more patriotic than ever.

In fact, the majoritt of university students support Jobbik, I will link you to the article if you are interested.

Also if you want I will tell you when the full film comes out.

• olga

@ Magyar

Your age makes a big difference when it comes to just how nasty I can get – I was raised to be polite to people older than me but nothing was said about being polite to people when they are younger than my kids :))

Nationalism is good – perverted skewed nationalism is bad
so if “Patriotic” is defined as hating everyone else than Hungary’s youth will not be much help to make our world a better place unless a Neo-Nazi country is what you hope to have your kids and grand-kids live in

I promise to watch the video later based on your word that it has nothing to do with Kuruc

• Magyar

It is not Kuruc, in fact I saw it on a blog posted by Red Eva.

Also, since the film is not out, this article might also be helpful.
-http://chronikler.com/europe/multiculturalism/hungary-for-a-better-future/

Off course, the article is negativly biased, and makes it out to be a bad thing 😀

And go ahead, bring on Nasty Olga 😀 if you want 😉
Althougb since you are not as repulsive as Liz Aucoin, I would most likely ignore your nastyness.

• olga

@ Magyar

re: “Althougb since you are not as repulsive as Liz Aucoin, I would most likely ignore your nastyness ”

Flattery will get you nowhere sonny but I am interested in the topic you mentioned so I will definitely check it out later

The article is negative about JOBBIK? I am still getting over the shock of your age and now this, Jaj Istenem, this is more than I can deal in one day

• Magyar

What made you think I was 70 or 90?

And its a Dutxh website, and Dutch are most liberal in Europe.

• Magyar حماس‎

Olga, since we are talking about the Hungarian youth, this little clip might be interesting for you.

Its in German, but its the footage that counts!
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDcHktraR5E

• olga

@ Maygar

You asked me why I thought you were 70 going on 90 – I came to that erroneous conclusion after reading your views and your yearning for the past, not to mention your racist views which of course you are in denial about it.

You moved from 70 towards the 90 when your wrote something about your wishing Vona be King and the Virgin Mary becoming the symbolic Queen of Hungary – (that was when I though you were getting dementia and if I quoted you incorrectly, I apologize)

Since you seem to be near my son’s age, I still can’t picture you playing with the Hungarian versions of transformers, GI Joe and Hulk Hogan figures etc like he did.

I read the article you mentioned about the Hungarian educated youth flirting with JOBBIK and I saw the Dutch video; both disturbing because to use just one sentence from the article :” “Most narratives paint a picture of a faceless crowd of “societal losers” who vote for the radical right. “

Yep, I figured the vast majority of Hungarian youth who supported JOBBIK were the same type of people we call “Skinheads” unemployed , uneducated , poor pathetic kids with dysfunctional families who needed to belong to and accepted by a group and needed to blame scapegoats on their failures.

According that article and video I was wrong but I sincerely hope the University kids they are talking about in the article and showing on the video are just a tiny minority to scare people. Worked on me…

I also saw the German video but despite 5 years of taking German in school not to mention the few Hungarian sentences spoken, I didn’t get what it was promoting

Now that we established you are not the Frank Sinatra generation, (I never thought you were uneducated ) and keeping in mind I am way too old to post these two You Tube video links and admit I’ve watched them a lot more than once, I am posting them for two reasons 1. we gotta lighten things up. 2. I also wonder if they are going viral in Hungary like in North America.

There are many versions, so you have to type in the following in the YouTube search option : – the most popular versions with millions of hits.

PSY – GANGNAM STYLE (강남스타일) M/V

GANGNAM STYLE PARODY (강남스타일) – The Oregon Duck

• JA aka justasking

@Olga,

‘GANGNAM STYLE’

It’s being played on the radio as well, I must of heard it at least 5 times as I was out and about driving around yesterday.

How sexy is that guy jumping around in hamster pants? 😀

• olga

@ Magyar

I am so sorry – I typed \Maygar\ – don’t know what the significance is but I know it’s not something I would want to do.

Maybe it was meant to be so I could ask someone to explain it to me as well as others because I bet I am not alone know knowing the answer

• Magyar

What are you talking about?

• Magyar

WTF? WHy does it let me post this, but not the main message??

• Magyar

Here is another article.
Since its Hungarianambiance, I will quote the good stuff so you dont have to go on it

• Magyar

“According to a recent study, only 39 percent of university students think that democracy is the best of all existing systems (in 2008, 52 percent thoughts so); 33 percent of respondents think that under certain circumstances dictatorship is preferable to democracy and 28 percent of them said that for them it makes no difference.

• Magyar

Here is another article.
Since its Hungarianambiance, I will quote the good stuff so you dont have to go on it
32% of all university students support Jobbik, 29% LMP, 25% Fidesz, DK+MSZP 13%

• Magyar

32% of all university students support Jobbik, 29% LMP, 25% Fidesz, DK+MSZP 13%

There are two types of Jobbik supporters.
Intelligent middle class and upper class, who understand things like economy and politics, and are worried about the direction of the country

• Magyar

Then there are the poorer people, who are more concerned with getting a better standard of living, and gypsy crime.

Personally, most Jobbik supporters I know are university students.
Most of these \skinhead\ types go for Hungarista movements.
Like Vona said, what kind of moron is a Hungarian nationalist with swastikas and german words on his head?

• The Mayar

Btw Olga, I think it is possible for you to be old enough to be my grandmother.

Also Olga, I finally managed to post this message, in parts.

• olga

@ Magyar

I was married at the ripe old age of 20, but I don’t think I could be your grand- mother; on second thought judging by some of your postings, maybe I could be

BTW – I once met a 36 year old grandmother to a 6 year old child. Do the numbers – very sad.

Like I said, no more Kuruc and/or Hungarian Ambience for September although I have because I had my quota but will pencil them in for October. I do have one empty spot for Stormfront :))

• Magyar

Back to the original topic.

Where is the left? Why aren’t they protesting, making human chains in from of his house, like they did for Csatáry?

Or maybe according to postcommies, a commie killing anticommie Hungarians, is not as bad as a Policeman not even killing, but just supposedly deporting some people.

Why the double standards?

(Ps, I know the others. but I will let the good people on politics-hu work it out for themselves)

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