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September 10th, 2012

Voter registration “necessary”, says Rogán

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Voluntary pre-registration of voters before general elections is necessitated by recent changes in Hungary’s citizenship law and different electoral procedures, Fidesz group leader Antal Rogan said on Friday.

Rogan spoke after a three-day meeting of the ruling Fidesz-Christian Democratic alliance in western Hungary’s Sarvar, at which participants supported the introduction of voluntary pre-registration.

Rogan argued that ethnic Hungarians in other countries, who have been granted Hungarian citizenship under Hungary’s 2010 dual citizenship law, could not participate in an election without prior registration. He added that the new institution was crucial to complete the parliamentary representation of Hungary’s ethnic minorities.

“Voluntary pre-registration does not run contrary to democracy – just the opposite,” Rogan insisted, and said that it would make voters more active. He added that the period given for pre-registration must be suitably long, starting as early as six months before the election and ending a fortnight before the vote.

Rogan said his group supported the elimination of nomination slips as suggested by the opposition LMP party. He added that it was necessary to rework the whole system of nomination for parliament.

Fidesz disagrees withthe Socialist Party’s proposal to make voting mandatory, and rejects the radical nationalist Jobbik proposal to tie voting rights to schooling.

Participants at the meeting asked the Fidesz leadership to elaborate a proposal for changes to political campaign financing, Rogan said. He added that the idea of supporting individual candidates from the central budget rather than financing political parties from 2014 on had been raised. If that model should be introduced, he said, candidates must be ensured equal treatment, irrespective of the political party or group supporting them.

On Friday morning, Prime Minister Viktor Orban said on public radio that the proposed pre-registration system for participation in the general elections will not diminish but boost turnout.

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  • Viking

    Voluntary pre-registration of voters before general elections
    —

    So, if it is “Voluntary”, I do not need to register to vote…

    For some reason I do not think that these Kafka-imitations to politicians understand that word like that (or any other words either)

  • Aloof

    Isn’t the same guy that said this on March 22, 2006?

    Antal Rogán, Fidesz’s campaign chief, said his party simply wanted to “embrace those issues that ethnic Hungarians in neighboring countries considered as priorities.” (It was not a priority for them then and it’s not now)

    “These minorities have not asked for voting rights and Fidesz is not seeking to grant those rights, which would require changes to the constitution, supported by a two thirds majority in parliament,” Rogán said.

    Granting Hungarian citizenship to ethnic kin would, Rogán said, simply be a “mere gesture.”

    So this whole subject has been around before 2006. First time I’ve heard the word voluntary regarding this subject, why didn’t and how couldn’t Lazar have used it if
    Rogan said this on Friday?

  • Magyar

    “rejects the radical nationalist Jobbik proposal to tie voting rights to schooling.”

    Thats a shame :(

    Jobbiks proposal has a lot of logic behind it.

    • Aloof

      Especially making sure no gypsy would get to vote right?
      I guess the next thing you’re going to tell us is that every Garda member has a diploma right?

  • Magyar

    What are you on about?

    Jobbiks proposal simply makes sure that the people who vote have at least some awareness in Hungarian politics, and of Hungarian history, especially communism.

    What does this have anything to do with gypsies?

    • Liz Aucoin

      That is controlling who can vote!!! Anyone holding Hungarian citizenship has a right to vote, by putting a “qualification” behind it goes against everything democracy stands for! As far as registering to vote, as long as you have your identification you should be able to vote without prior registration. Education has NOTHING to do with your knowledge of politics or history or communism. You sure like to play dumb to try and make yourself sound innocent of wanting minorities excluded. Whether you have a diploma or not, if you can see with your eyes and hear with your ears, and occasionally read a news paper, you are qualified to have your vote!

      • Magyar

        “and occasionally read a news paper,”

        Well that certainly disqualifies 90% of the gypsy minority.

        “Education has NOTHING to do with your knowledge of politics or history or communism”
        Erm, yes it does.
        How else will people who live in Borsod county for example find out about these things? If they never learnt anything at school?

        • Magyar

          “if you can see with your eyes and hear with your ears”

          So now according to you, death and blind people cannot vote? Surely thats putting a “qualification” behind it, and it goes against everything demokracy stands for?

          I get it, so now you are against disabled people too?

          • Magyar

            deaf*

  • Aloof

    LMFAO… think you just answered your own post there bud…

    • Magyar

      So according to you, its ok for people to vote when they have no clue what they are even doing?

      In the village where I used to live, the Mayor would buy the gypsies beer at the kocsma, and that would guarantee him votes every time.

      I bet left does the same thing, especially now when Gyurcsány is on a “Hunger strike” there is plenty of food to go around, LOL

      Btw, I still don’t see what gypsies have got to do with it. The law would apply to everyone, uneducated Hungarians wouldn’t be able to vote either!

      • MagyarViking

        Magyar says:
        September 10, 2012 at 4:42 pm

        So according to you, its ok for people to vote when they have no clue what they are even doing?
        —

        And what is your excuse to even live?

        • Liz Aucoin

          You must truly be the village idiot! If you even have an understanding enough of who the candidates are, and take interest enough to show up to vote, you should get your vote, if you are stupid enough to think that people who have no clue what they are doing are even going to show up at the polls, you are not very bright! Why would they bother? Oh right….someone bought them a beer.

          • Magyar

            No, you are the stupid one here, who has no clue how things work.

            Here is a typical conversation:

            Józsi bácsi(The Mayor): Hey Pista, what do you say I get you a beer and you vote for me?

            Pista: Sure Józsi bácsi, but make that two beers, one for me, and one for Géza :D

            Józsi bácsi: Deal :D

            Thats how it works, I have seen it with my own eyes, while you have never even been in Hungary, you are the stupid one here, how do you even remember to breathe?
            So fuck you, and mind your own fucking business Canadian piece of shit.

          • Curious George

            How many Roma are there in your village to keep that mayor in office, or are you surrounded by so many idiots in your village that you think that everybody else buys your nonsensical story ?
            I’ll bet that any jobbik candidate who waves a flag will get votes from your fellow village idiots. I’d even double down, and say that neither those idiots, nor the candidates they vote for understand what Jobbik’s manifesto would do to the country’s ability to continue functioning.

      • Aloof

        What does it matter what I think? I’m just a scum American or Canadian impure Hungarian according to you.

        So you want to exclude the the most needy citizens of the country from the democratic process of voting? You want to further marginalize, stereotype and stigmatize them?
        So you want to create a caste system where the so called “educated” and “priveleged” rule?
        Fidesz has already made education harder to get and less affordable not to mention holding potential students for ransom and restrict their freedom of movement and choice.

        How does this increase voter turnout?

        So how was Jobbik going to fund their plan, selling beer?

      • zeb

        Buy then a beer, promise to lower their taxes, give them free universtiy education. Same shit different pile, and I’m not just talking about Gypsies here. That’s politics. Only you have to decide whether the promises will materialize or not.

        • Viking

          True,

          * When you do not fulfil your promise it is called – Politics

          * When you fulfil your promise it is called – Corruption

          So which one is best?

  • Aloof

    @ Magyar says: September 10, 2012 at 5:10 p m

    So fuck you Liz Aucion, and mind your own fucking business Canadian piece of shit.

    You’re lucky I’m not your old man. If I ever caught one of my sons talking to a girl or woman like that he’d be in the hospital for a month.

    You’re a fucking pussy.

    • Magyar

      Oh believe, I am a gentlemen when it comes to women, being from the countryside, I learn the old school manners, something which you ‘city assholes’ lack, however this “Liz Aucoin” doesnt qualify as a being, “she”, or rather, ‘it’ is just a thing, a liberal monster, a spawn of Satan.

      Plus, I have 0 respect for traitors.
      People who conspire to destroy and undermine Hungary deserve no respect.

      Its kind of like a woman running towards you with a bayonet, would you be a “gentleman” and stand there and let her rip your guts out, or would you defend yourself?

      • Viking

        Magyar says:
        September 10, 2012 at 5:32 pm

        a spawn of Satan
        —

        We have already established the fact that you and your Nazi friends are exactly that “a spawn of Satan”

        I hope the clergy throw holy water on you, if you dare to go close enough to any Christian Church

      • Liz Aucoin

        Spawn of satan? Hahahahaha!!! What would make me qualify as a woman? What makes me a traitor? The fact that I don’t like your stupid ass? Also, I don’t have to undermine Hungary, they are doing a great job of fucking things up all by themselves. My whole purpose is to discuss the issues and hopefully have respectable Hungarians stand up for themselves, their country, to see how they are not being given the freedoms and benefits and true democracy offers each and every one of its citizens. Unfortunately, there are real traitors, people like you Magyar, who seek to keep people suppressed, and misinformed so you Racists have the freedom to carry out your hate filled agenda. Call me whatever you want, I don’t care, it only fuels my fire!

    • justasking…

      @Aloof,

      ‘You’re a fucking pussy’

      You’re lucky I’m not your Mother…if I caught my son talking to ANYBODY like that, he’d be in the hospital for a month.

      Now, be a good boy and go apologize this very minute!!!!

  • Magyar

    Why are there so many liberal retards complaining about Hungary?

    Why cant they just go back to their liberal havens in Sweden, Netherlands, America, Canada?

    They will never have to worry about Hungary again, instead, they stick their unwanted opinions and views down the throats of Hungarians, who have a very healthy mindset, unlike the degenerate West.

    Why can’t these people leave us alone, leave us at peace, in our “ignorant, backward, racist hellhole”?

    What right do these sons of bitches have “teaching” Hungary about demokracy? They should look into their own polluted back yard, before they criticize ours.

    • Curious George

      Why can’t these people leave us alone, leave us at peace, in our “ignorant, backward, racist hellhole”
      Because not every Hungarian wants to live in the “ignorant, backward, racist hellhole” you’re creating.

      • Magyar

        Then surely its time for those Hungarians to rise up, and let their opinions be heard? Like in 2006? 1956? 1848?

        Hungary is a modern demokracy, if you dont like the goverment, then simply dont vote for them. How hard can it be? Nowadays people dont even have to throw a revolution to change the goverment.

        And about your previous comment:
        In 2001, there were about 138 gypsies, in a village of 1300, off course, there are plenty more, who identify as Slovak or Hungarian.

        Many only come out at night, when its stealing time.
        A friend of mine donated a radio to the kindergarden, but the gypsies robbed it at night, and took the radio too. Hows that, gypsies robbing kindergardens? Disgusting in my book.

        Then gypsies were caught from stealing animals from people..

        I had a guard dog, a fine German Shepard, but gypsies shot him…

        Off course, you will say I am bullshitting, and that all gypsies are lovely fellows, each with university diplomas, and no criminal records.
        Yes, keep living in your dream world…

        • Viking

          Magyar says:
          September 10, 2012 at 5:57 pm

          Then surely its time for those Hungarians to rise up, and let their opinions be heard? Like in 2006? 1956? 1848?
          —

          And all these three times the uprising failed…

          • Magyar

            1848 – Hungarian revolutionaries vs Austria, Russia, anti Hungarian minorities.

            1956- Hungarian revolutionaries vs USSR, biggest and strongest country at the time in the world.

            2006- Unarmed civilians vs massive police brutality.

            Whats your point asshole? To insult our history?

          • justasking…

            @Magyar,

            ‘To insult our history?’

            No…Viking just likes to stir-up the shit and get peoples goat. It’s nothing personal.

          • Viking

            Magyar says:
            September 10, 2012 at 6:29 pm

            Whats your point asshole? To insult our history?
            —

            Hungarians cannot be insulted, then that is what Fidesz (another word for Hungary) is telling Armenia that hey cannot be

            The point is that you refer to 3 uprisings, that all failed to bring on revolutionary changes

            * Ask Kossuth on the outcome of the 1848-49 uprising, that ended in the the 1867 Compromise – Kossuth hated that one and called the Hungarian leaders for traitors
            The Compromise cemented Hungary’s dependence on the Habsburgs and failed to prepare the Hungarian Upper and Middle class for the collapse of the Habsburg Empire, then Hungarians turned their backs at Kossuth. This lead to Trianon

            * 1956?
            You pointed yourself out Bela Bisku today for the post-56 reprisals

            * 2006?
            What was the outcome?
            Fidesz 2/3rd majority and Magyar Garda have had even harder to operate under Fidesz than under MSZP
            “Jobbik” will not, as it looks today, reach its goal at 30% votes 2014

            So, what was your point again?

  • justasking…

    I’m still trying to figure out why it can’t be made Law?

    If you are over 18, you have to vote. Simple…to the point…nobody gets slighted,…effects everybody equally. I mean Christ, there are people the World over, who would die for the opportunity to vote/have a say.

    Voting is not just a right; but, a responsibility.

    • Curious George

      Agree that voting needs to be made law, especially for Hungary. As it is, Hungarians show too much apathy when it comes to national politics, and as an individual within the society, have very few recognized civic responsibilities. I think it would be an improvement, if the citizens took responsibility for the outcome of the country’s direction. It would also eliminate the need to waste money on frequent national referendums.

      • Magyar

        I agree with Curious George, voting should be mandatory, but in order to prevent some downsides of this system, MSZP, LMP and DK must be banned.

      • Viking

        Mandatory voting can only be democratic if the voter has an option and voting ‘blank’ and by that showing that none of the alternatives are enough interesting

        • Magyar

          In which case absolutely nothing would change.

  • Liz Aucoin

    I was referring to them learning with their own eyes and ears dumbass. Do you really think your twisting of my words makes you look like you know what you are talking about? Go ahead, everytime you see my name, you rush to write something stupid. It doesn’t bother me, it is quite entertaining actually! You must be so facinated with my words that you can’t stay off this commentary for one second. I especially like it when you get so edgy that you start to show how stupid you are, then it is really funny! You might put yourself in a mental institution by continuing to fight with me,it would do us all a great service! I fight back, and I don’t quit. So if you like we can carry this on in every article commentary?!

    • Magyar

      Have you at least ever been to Hungary?
      Because it would be so funny if you never even did, LOL

      The only stupid one here is you, a stupid brainwashed Canadian.

      Unlike Olga or Justasking, who seem like nice people, but simply unlucky victims of Canadian education, you take the meaning of “Gyurcsány whore” to a whole new level.

      • Liz Aucoin

        First of all I took most of my education in Hungary, lived there for 10 years and I am a dual citizen. Secondly, you don’t like me simply because I am a STRONG woman who is not afraid to stand up to your coward ass. I am a hard working person and a business woman who does alot for my community and I refuse to accept that the beautiful country my father was born in would be ruined by fascists and racists such as yourself. You can call me whatever you feel like, it does not bother me, like I said before it makes me more determined. I have the confidence to know that you are a little coward, who hides behind an alias and thinks that your viscous words will somehow beat me down. Good luck loser!

        • Magyar

          “First of all I took most of my education in Hungary, lived there for 10 years and I am a dual citizen.”

          Bullshit.

          “I am a STRONG woman who is not afraid to stand up to your coward ass.”
          You are a “strong” woman now because you can scream the shit you want, while I cannot.
          I wonder how “strong” you would have been in 1919 when Pali bácsi was on the loose.

          “I refuse to accept that the beautiful country my father was born in would be ruined by fascists and racists such as yourself”
          Commies have already ruined this country, now the right is trying to clean up after your mess.

          “it makes me more determined”
          Determined to do what? Send more money to MSZP or DK?

          Btw, if you havent noticed, nobody else uses their full name on here, so if thats one of your insults against me, then LOL

          • Aloof

            Naw you’re just a falu faggot country bumpkin puszta nazi that likes to pick on girla which makes a pussy too.

          • Magyar

            Pick on a girl? Who? Justasking or Olga, those are the only two girls that I know of here.

  • justasking,

    FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

    • Anonymous

      DRUNK DRUNK DRUNK

  • Liz Aucoin

    Well Magyar, when you go after me, I will go after you, you are such a bitch, you looked me up, wish I could do the same you coward! Pali bacsi is no longer with us now is he? Was he the father you never knew? Sorry, he couldn’t fuck you in the ass while he was alive!

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