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September 11th, 2012

Extradition of Azeri killer Safarov was Orbán’s personal decision, Origo reports

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Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán admitted in a closed party meeting last week that he had ordered Ramil Safarov to be transferred back to Azerbaijan despite the fact that he was aware that Safarov would be released sooner or later, Origo.hu reports, citing two separate unnamed sources close to the government and Fidesz.

According to the report, Orbán had been repeatedly warned by his fellow party members and advisors of the risks such a move involved but the prime minister was looking to make a gesture toward the Azeris in an effort to secure new creditors to buoy up Hungary’s ailing budget.

During the meeting, which turned into a heated debate, Orbán acknowledged that he knew “there would be trouble” but expected Safarov to be pardoned only months later for “health reasons.”

Despite protestations by Tibor Navaracsics and repeated warnings by justice ministry experts, Orbán in August went ahead and ordered the transfer agreement to be signed.

Origo said the government politicians it asked for comment agreed that the incident was “awkward” or “tacky” (ciki) but shared the prime minister’s opinion that the best way to handle the situation was to practically ignore the whole case.

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  • Leto مؤدّب

    Orban will deny this claim and in 3 days time nobody will talk about it. Like Shakespeare would say, it’s much ado about nothing.
    Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

    • Viking

      Well, the Ombudsman’s investigation will maybe throw some more light on this Issue, and maybe in the end there will actually even be a trial
      Maybe not this Parliament, but there will be others
      “Abuse of office” is a typical legal term that may be applied here

      (-http://www.politics.hu/20120911/ombudsman-requests-full-report-on-azeri-transfer-case/#comment-125391)

    • Leto مؤدّب

      How about trying to come up with a different name, post faker? It’s not that I’d really disagree with this particular post though.

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

    • Aloof

      @ fake Leto September 11, 2012 at 1:13 pm

      Orban will deny this claim and in 3 days time nobody will talk about it. Like Shakespeare would say, it’s much ado about nothing.

      LMFAO… it’s already 12 days you friggin’ moron and he’s still in damage control. Grabbing 90 year old commies isn’t going to make it go away either. The least of his worries are inside Hungary, he already knows his ass is grass outside of it.

  • Aloof

    Sucker… what a naive loser for even risking tarnishing Hungary’s good name. He should be held accountaable for it too. Well actually he already is outside of Hungary in case he doesn’t know it yet. There are more people wanting Hungary to succeed than fail, but he’s not one of them.

    • justasking,

      @Aloof,

      ‘Sucker… what a naive loser for even risking tarnishing Hungary’s good name’

      Hold up…I thought you said Hungary’s name was considered dirt when Orbikam came into power…which is it?

  • Paul

    “citing two separate unnamed sources close to the government and Fidesz.”
    Leaks are often made by employees of an organization who happened to have access to interesting information but who are not officially authorized to disclose it to the press. They may believe that doing so is in the public interest!!!!

    • justasking,

      ‘Leaks are often made by employees of an organization who happened to have access to interesting information but who are not officially authorized to disclose it to the press’

      Or for those who have an axe to grind.

      PS: pun NOT intended

  • Paul

    Who told the press? Why?

    • Leto مؤدّب

      You won’t know more about that.
      The Hungarian postcommie media frequently publishes “insider information from unnamed sources close to the government and Fidesz”. (And Origó is a news portal close to MSZP.)

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

  • Observation

    Is he on video tape making the decesion?

  • spectator

    Leto, you are just as spineless liar as your Lord and Master, Orbán.

    Finally today he’s admitted it publicly, that indeed, they were completely aware of the possible consequences and implications of their act, and nothing has happened after the decision has been made, what they haven’t been calculated with.

    “Semmi nem történt a döntésünk után, amivel ne számoltunk volna előtte” – mondta a kormányfő.

    -http://www.hirado.hu/Hirek/2012/09/11/14/Orban_dontott_az_azeri_tiszt_kiadasarol.aspx

    Which mean, that the release and glorification of a particularly savage murderer happened according to their expectation too, didn’t it?

    So, after it has been proved that the Azeri mail was all but promise and guaranties, after that the Azeri part published the information that the Hungarians were fully aware what would happen with Safarov, not to mention the Azeri denial of the supposed investment – all in all ten days later the Great Leader, reluctantly admitted some of the undeniable facts.

    Congratulation!

    • Leto مؤدّب

      So what, rotten postcommie bastard?
      Just don’t say that kind of balloon launching isn’t too typical of the postcommie media.. :)

      “Congratulation!”

      Thanks.

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

      • spectator

        So, according to you, Hirado.hu is part of the postcommie media???

        God Gracious, Leto, you need your batteries checked too..

        It’s about time for Fidesz to start thinking long and hard, just how deep they willing to follow Orban into the merde, don’t you think?
        After all, there must be – even purely by statistical reasons – a few civilized people, who still know the meaning of the word “honor”, even such long forgotten expression like “a Honorable Hungarian”, aren’t there?

        It’s coming, Leto, it’s coming!
        Be ready, act in time, otherwise we’re gonna miss you, you see!

        • Leto مؤدّب

          I said Origó is postcommie (close to MSZP). The fact this time Orbán confirmed what Origó’s article wrote certainly doesn’t invalidate the remark I made at September 11, 2012 at 8:04 pm.

          Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

  • Florida boy

    It would seem that your great nation, under pressure from outside interest who are ever ratcheting up Hungary and others minor European economies from the outside. Demands for higher interest and financial restraint while these same interest are the ones who required you borrow the capital to join their gang in the first place. Now,you find a way, (as unsavory as it is) to meet their terms, you do what you must. The fabric of your union is not able to sustain a lot more abuse. When I was a child, we played a game that reminds me of Europe, it is called “Musical Chairs” every one marched around a row of chairs until the music stopped, then the big strong coordinated and knowledgeable about the rules grabbed a seat, if you were still standing, you lost. I love Hungary, its people are amazingly adaptable historically. Looks real messy for a decade or two, If west is not best and east really sucks, your not the biggest kid in the classroom, but you are smarter than the rest: what does one do?

    • justasking,

      @Florida,

      Good post…thanks for that.

      • Florida boy

        This may not be the ideal discussion forum for my statement / question, but it does seam to be the underlying tension in many of the ongoing dialogues I read on this site. Of course Nationalism historical boarders are pervasive also. I am an American, we do not know how to comprehend the world you live in now and have survived from the past. My Pollyanna “super power” world view and entrepreneurial nature ill equips me for understanding the Hungarian culture and its dynamics. Any recommendations as to how to increase my grasp?

        • Magyar

          Hey Florida boy, nice to see a mentally healthy American on here.
          I advise reading HungarianAmbiance, it is a blog in English, and unlike this one it is not postcommie.

        • justasking,

          @Florida,

          ‘This may not be the ideal discussion forum for my statement / question, but it does seam to be the underlying tension in many of the ongoing dialogues I read on this site.

          I think it is…all that happens in a countries past, effects/contributes to it’s future.
          ——-

          ‘Any recommendations as to how to increase my grasp?’

          First off, ignore Magyar and his ‘recommendation’…right now you want facts, not propaganda.

          I’d say, go to www@fsz(dot)bme(dot)hu…click onto General info, under ‘practical info’ click onto ‘brief history’. Hungary’s history will be presented to you in bullet form, which is what you really want.

          Make notes, if you have any questions/something explained in more detail…I’ll do what I can to help.

    • spectator

      “..your not the biggest kid in the classroom, but you are smarter than the rest”

      Instead arguing with you just a question: are you certain, that a smart person would have acted as this miserable little prick, called something like “orban” in order to put things straight and in working order in his homeland as the acting PM of the moment?

      To any sane person – me, in particular – a “smart” and responsible leader should have reached an agreement with his creditors already sometimes last year, in order to have possibility to gear up for progress and development in order to cope with turbulent times – as they are in high season all across Europe.

      To any sane person – me, in particular – a “smart” and responsible leader should have working feverishly on smoothing relations and making strategic alliances in accordance of the real need of the country – contrary of a little prick, called something like “orban” who working instead feverishly on his personal interest and personal benefits – whatever it cost to his homeland.

      So, dear Florida boy, while I really appreciate your love and devotion to Hungary, but please, make distinction between the acts of the Hungarian government and the Hungarian people – they are far from being the same or share the same values!

      Best regards!
      \

      • Florida boy

        spectator,Instead arguing with you just a question:

        Our post must have crossed, as you can see, mine is not the position of understanding to render a Black or White, Good or Bad, opinion about your leader,

        Mr. Orban. Rarely in the affairs of state do circumstances present themselves in a manner that allows those in leadership to have there way. Usually it turns out to be the facts and realities dictating the outcome, the leaders try to invent a cover story to fit the facts and blunt the damage on those it will impact.

        As in America your political divisions seem to be orchestrated to create division within your society and in so doing keep you weak. This is why I like learning about the Hungarian way of thinking. I cannot help but wonder if all of you who utilize this site found common cause around an issue and dug in and used your considerable resources and talents to kick A## on the poor bas*#$% who crossed your path, it would be glorious. If I remember correctly from my last time their you were a group of seven tribes that forged a people.

        As an aside, often when you are faced with an economic nightmare and others are in far worse trouble than you and your creditors are weak also and those same creditors helped you into your crisis: then time is on your side, The EU, Germany, nor the IMF, have BLINKED yet. I am not saying to be like Argentina or Brasil in the 80′s and 90′s, but talking about it may give those who want to be uncooperative enough concern to give you a better position than otherwise. Bullies bully.

        Any resource you may give me so that I can speak closer to a specific issue I will investigate. Thank you for allowing me a voice in your discussion.

        I will retreat to the back of the class now. Thanks again.

      • justasking,

        @spec,

        ‘So, dear Florida boy, while I really appreciate your love and devotion to Hungary, but please, make distinction between the acts of the Hungarian government and the Hungarian people – they are far from being the same or share the same values!’

        He knows that, reread his post, he wants assistance in understanding HUNGARY and HUNGARIANS better…what shaped/s them etc…not Orbi.

        Mind you, one could argue that Orbi/Feri are a product of their commie environment…but, that’s another talk-show altogether.
        ————

        Florida boy says:

        ‘Thank you for allowing me a voice in your discussion.

        I will retreat to the back of the class now. ‘

        Look how you made him feel…where’s you hospitality?

        Szégyelld magadat specti!

  • Anna

    Orban is a lying traitor. The Hungarian people should be really ashamed about their Prime Minister and government.

  • Paul

    Ho…wait, stop…!
    “citing two separate unnamed sources close to the government and Fidesz.”
    Well this is not okay now, is it ? You can have unnamed sources saying anything they like. Next article can be Viktor beating up his wife says unnamed sources. Does that make it true? It smells bad for me this stuff. Lousy journalism.

    • Leto مؤدّب

      “Next article can be Viktor beating up his wife says unnamed sources. ”

      Well, this very thing actually happened in the final days of the 2002 election campaign. Though it was not an article, it was professionally and very intensely spread “rumours” by MSZP-activists.
      Mrs. Orbán had to make a public appearance in order to refute these.
      -http://1956-oktober-23.uw.hu/visszatekinto-2.htm

      The latest postcommie “news” is about Orbán’s mental illness: -http://nepszava.com/2012/09/uncategorized/orbant-alkalmatlanna-teszi-a-betegsege.html

  • Florida boy

    Magyar, Spoke to my wife (she whom must be obeyed!),an authority on the subject,she thinks your mental health comment regarding yours truly is way off the mark.

    Thanks for the site, any other recommendations for well rounding are appreciated. Hope to make my fifth trip soon- early 2013. Been to Eastern Hungary and greater Budapest,any suggestions.
    justasking: I will and thanks. Can’t help thinking that Magyar might disagree with you.

    • Leto مؤدّب

      @Florida boy:

      I myself would recommend this page on Hungarian politics: -http://www.budapestanalyses.hu/docs/Homepage/En/

      Unfortunately they ceased their work in 2009 but I think the page is still quite valuable. It was made by a center-of-right think-tank consisting of people who belong to the halo of Fidesz (the ruling party I support) and I think they wrote quite good stuff.

      “Hungarian Ambience”, which was recommended by ‘Magyar’, is not an extremist garbage site, unlike kuruc.info whose name you can come accross often here, but it does lean quite strongly towards Jobbik (which is a far right party in the Hungarian parliament). But I think it’s okay to read.

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

  • Magyar

    “justasking: I will and thanks. Can’t help thinking that Magyar might disagree with you.”
    Damn right I disagree!

    When a gypsy does a good deed, Hungarianambiance reports it.
    Hungarianambiance is just an unbiased blog.

    If Vona(leader of Jobbik) discovered a cure for cancer, this blog, Magyar Nemzet, népszabadság or Red Evas’ blog would not report it, and pretend that it never happened.

    On the other hand, if a Gypsy or Gyurcsány found a cure for cancer, Hungarianambiance would report that story.
    That is the difference.

    Like Leto said, I do not recommend Kuruc for you, that is a bit more for Deep Magyars :D

    Not all of Hungarianambiance is politics, they often report on culture, history, current non political happenings.

    I wish you luck in understanding the Hungarian mentality.
    People like Liz Aucoin (no offense) show that simply being a Hungarian by blood is not enough to have the full package of being a Hungarian.

    It is not something many foreigners do, but like Justasking said, reading about our history will help that.

    Here are some links
    -http://www.hungarianhistory.com/lib/index.htm
    -http://www.hungarianhistory.com/pics.htm
    And some other stuff on that website.

  • Viking

    Magyar says:
    September 13, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    When a gypsy does a good deed, Hungarianambiance reports it
    —

    So everything about Hungary circulates around Roma?
    We define ‘Hungariness’ how you relate to Roma being and doing?
    You do not think you give the impression of being a bit obsessed?

    On the other hand, why is not HungarianAmbience, like Barikad, stating who owns the web-site?
    What have they to hide?

    And the site is based in the US:
    IP address is 216.239.32.21, and its server is hosted at San Francisco, United States
    It will be expired on 26 Jan 2013. The sponsor is ENOM, INC..
    Domain Name:
    Hungarianambiance.com
    Domain Age:
    3 years 233 days ago
    Time Left:
    133 days
    Domain Owner:
    Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
    —

    Hungarianhistory.com
    IP address is 66.49.148.125, and its server is hosted at Toronto, Canada

    and its Hungarian webpage:
    Corvinuslibrary.com
    IP address is 66.49.199.24, and its server is hosted at Mississauga, Canada.

    So, they are not even living in Hungary, but they know everything about Hungary…

    * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money*

  • Laurence Broers, Conciliation Resouces

    The presidential pardon of Ramil Safarov has affected relations between Hungary and Armenia. It has also severely aggravated tensions between Armenians and Azerbaijanis in the conflict for Nagorny Karabakh. Many Armenians have seen many of their worst stereotypes confirmed by this episode. Yet it has also revealed what a small number of those engaged in cross-conflict peacebuilding initiatives have known for years: many Azeris do not see a future in ethnic hatred and want a normal dialogue with Armenians. A number of Azeris at home and abroad have spoken out in the aftermath of the Safarov affair to express this. Unfortunately, the Safarov pardon has cut the ground from under work of this kind to support the peaceful resolution of the conflict. The task now is to weather the current storm and keep the space for normal dialogue open.

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