September 12th, 2012

Quotable: Viktor Orbán on Hungary as a “world nation”

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“We are creating an [electoral] system that accounts for the fact that Hungary has become a world nation.”

Prime Minister Orbán Viktor, referring to the need to account for Hungarian citizens living abroad - including ethnic Hungarians in neighboring countries recently granted citizenship - during upcoming elections. In a speech addressing MP ahead of Parliament's fall session, Orbán said his party is going to pass a new electoral law, civil code and land law before the end of this year. [Index.hu]
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  • MagyarViking

    Yes, PimpMaster Whorban continues the Good Ol’ Tradition from Gyurcsány in making Hungary a Nation noticed around the World

    Gyurcsány did it by admitting he had lied while being a politician (world’s 1st)

    PimpMaster Whorban does it by lying, may it be other Governments or the IMF, it seems compulsory

    • Californicus

      Nope, sorry, never heard of a politician that doesn’t lie. It’ll be a great news day if you ever find one.

      • Leto مؤدّب

        It’s their job to lie. The difference is what, when and most importantly why they lie.

        Having seen their clinging onto power after the Őszöd speech, what is beyond any doubt that Gyurcsány and his lot lied to the voters in order to hold onto power and they didn’t have any other motive at all to serve the interest of the country and the nation.

        Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

        • spectator

          So, why is Orban lying recently – day and night – in your opinion?
          Clearly, the interest of the nation would be to have a reliable leadership, which would be able to keep its word at least a whole day – not to mention a whole mandate-period!
          In case of the Orban government statements changing by the hour, often none of them is true!

          How about this?

          It’s about to time for a motion of no-confidence in the Prime Minister of Hungary – get rid of this piece of crap as long as the damage he causes has hope being reversible!

          Time to act for an Orban-free Hungary!

          • justasking,

            @spec,

            ‘Time to act for an Orban-free Hungary’

            And replace him with who?

          • Leto مؤدّب

            Unfortunately for you, the Hungarian voters don’t seem to agree with you. Let me recommend you the poll tracker on this site and follow the news about the by-elections.
            Believe it or not, but democracy is not what your ilk tries to make people believe (that is the rule of your ilk). FYI, democracy is the will of the majority of the voters.

            Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • spectator

            @Zs
            Replacing with some sane and civilized member of the Fidesz, who has the capability to think further than the nearest soccer-field, for Heavens sake!

            Don’t tell me, that for example Mr.Navracsics or Mr.Varga would have treated even the IMF or the Azeri cases in such dilettante manner!

            You may not believe it, but actually I don’t give a flying f*ck about someone being left- or right oriented politically, but I can’t stand illiterate autocrats in charge for a place called Hungary.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            @rotten postcommie bastard:

            Please do try to comprehend it at last how parliamentary democracy works, right? First of all it’s absolutely none of your business who leads Fidesz or whom Fidesz nominates for PM. That’s a decision to be made by Fidesz-members and Fidesz-leaders. I suppose you don’t belong to any of these categories and you don’t plan to influence this decision in this way.
            (BTW, obviously you’d like Navracsics or Varga in Orbán’s seat only because you think they’d be easier to do away with)

            All right, having this discussed, let’s see how you can “act for an Orban-free Hungary”:

            as a supporter of another party, you’ve got these options:
            1/ you can simply cast your vote for another party and you can try to convince others to do the same
            2/ you can join another party and you can work very hard so that a particular person would be PM candidate in that party and that party would win a mandate, from the voters, to nominate Hungary’s prime minister.

            Is this too difficult to understand? Shall I explain it in some other language? Shall I draw nice big flow charts and icons?

            Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • spectator

            Leto, there indeed is a definitely democratic solution – look it up:

            The Fundamental Law of Hungary – The Government – Article 20-21-22

            - But of course, only if you agree with the (hypo)thesis, that The Fundamental Law of Hungary is democratic.

            I still have a hard time to believe, that this is the way what an honest right-wing supporter Hungarian agrees with, this kind of low level lies, the megalomaniac boasting or the countless money throwing to the nearest and dearest, and the list endless.

            Please, don’t come with the previous “postcommie” governments, because that’s why the present one have got the chance, to make it better.

            And they don’t, let’s face it.

            If anybody still believes that “in a few years” everything just going to be fine, just as delusional as the Orban-Matolcsy twins. Tell me one good reason why anybody should believe anything to the Orban government?

            Otherwise have you tried to add up the results of the poll tracker? A while ago I did and ended up with 123% – a bit thick to my taste!

          • Leto مؤدّب

            @rotten postcommie bastard:
            QUOTE
            Article 20
            (1) The mandate of the Government shall be terminated by the termination of the
            Prime Minister’s mandate.

            (2) The Prime Minister’s mandate shall be terminated
            a) by the formation of the newly elected Parliament,
            b) if Parliament adopts a motion of no-confidence in the Prime Minister and elects a new Prime Minister,

            c) if Parliament adopts a motion of no-confidence in the Prime Minister at the confidence vote proposed by the Prime Minister,
            d) by resignation,
            e) upon his or her death,
            f) by incompatibility or
            g) if the conditions of his or her election no longer exist.

            (3) A Minister’s mandate shall be terminated:

            a) by termination of the Prime Minister’s mandate,
            b) by resignation,
            c) by removal,
            d) upon his or her death.

            (4) Parliament shall decide on the establishment of the
            absence of requirements for the election of the Prime Minister and on the declaration of incompatibility
            by a two-thirds vote of Members of Parliament present

            Article 21
            (1) One-fifth of the Members of Parliament may submit a written motion of no-confidence in
            the Prime Minister by proposing another person to serve as Prime Minister.

            (2) By endorsing a motion of no-confidence, Parliament shall express its lack of confidence in the Prime Minister and shall simultaneously elect as Prime Minister the person proposed in the motion of no-confidence. Such decision by Parliament shall require a simple majority of the votes of the Members of Parliament.

            (3) The Prime Minister may propose a confidence vote. Parliament shall adopt a motion of no-confience in the Prime Minister if a simple
            majority of Members of Parliament do not support the Prime Minister in the confidence vote proposed by the
            Prime Minister.

            (4) The Prime Minister may propose that the vote on a government proposal shall be regarded as a confidence vote. Parliament shall adopt a motion of no-confidence in the Prime Minister if it does not endorse the
            government proposal.

            (5) Parliament shall make a decision on the
            matter of confidence three days after submission of the motion of no-confidence or the Prime Minister’s proposal set out in Paragraphs (3) and (4), but no later than eight days after submission.
            END OF QUOTE

            These paragraphs were probably taken verbatim from the pre-2010 constitution.
            I’ve listed your choices to “replace Orbán” earlier.
            What is relevant in these paragraphs as an answer to my post of mine?

            Ceterum censo MSZP delendum est.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            to that post of mine

          • spectator

            @Leto
            I’ll use the last opportunity before your Hemorrhagic stroke, so here is the thing:

            Having a possibility to get rid of the present incompetent PM theoretically has nothing to do with party-politics: it’s a decision the Parliament has to make.
            ———
            (1) One-fifth of the Members of Parliament may submit a written motion of no-
            confidence in the Prime Minister by proposing another person to serve as Prime
            Minister.
            (2) By endorsing a motion of no-confidence, Parliament shall express its lack of
            confidence in the Prime Minister and shall simultaneously elect as Prime Minister the
            person proposed in the motion of no-confidence. Such decision by Parliament shall
            require a simple majority of the votes of the Members of Parliament.
            ———-
            My proposal for the above mentioned two person simply because they act and talk in much more reasonable manner – they have manners at least – and definitely more competent like your soccer-enthusiast little freedom-fighter hero.

            You still don’t get it, do you?
            Orban started to get out of control, even of his own and Heaven only knows what more catastrophes will he bring over the country, if the sane people let him go much longer.
            The problem with Orban grew way out all the party-boundaries, the question today isn’t Fidesz or MSZP – wake up, Leto!

            One more thing: everyone denied, the “Great” man himself too, that even if they were aware of the dire consequences, there is no interest to Hungary behind the Safarov affair.

            So, who’s interest was it what worth taking this all too high costs in moral degradation and diplomatic condemnations?

            Dare to guess?

            How long the Fidesz or even the average citizen on the streets wish to be associated with such clearly immoral person?
            Do you as a Hungarian really want to be judged, and valuated upon the acts of Orban?

            All the others will from the poll tracker too?

          • spectator

            My quote from Article 21 – I missed to inclide.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            @rotten postcommie bastard:

            “before your Hemorrhagic stroke”

            Why on Earth do you think I’d be in any danger of suffering that? :D

            It’s you who doesn’t get it at all. I’ve told you in no uncertain terms what your options are to “act for an Orbán-free Hungary”.
            It’s purely up to Fidesz-KDNP MPs, and indirectly to the card-carrying members and leaders of Fidesz-KDNP, who the prime minister is and now the general consensus is that Mr. Orbán is the best person for this post. Your consent is not needed at all and it’s entirely irrelevant that if you’d like Mr. Navrasics or Mr. Varga to be the prime minister of the Fidesz-KNDP government.
            Please try to get into your thick skull at last that this question is absolutely none of your business in any other way than the ones I mustered. Am I understood now? Or shall I elaborate on this (frankly speaking fairly simple) issue even more?

            Unfortunately, instead of considering your options as determined by the rules of parliamentary democracies, you just keep spewing utter garbage like this.

            Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • justasking,

            @spec and Leto,

            Girls…girls…if I said you were both beautiful, would you stop fighting?

            @spec,

            ‘ You may not believe it, but actually I don’t give a flying f*ck about someone being left- or right oriented politically’

            Neither do I, if they have the best interest of the people and the country at the forefront at all times…keeping in mind, that I would always vote Conservative. :)
            ———-

            ‘but I can’t stand illiterate autocrats in charge for a place called Hungary’

            No sane person wants to/would want to see that.

            So, I’ll ask again…in your opinion, is there anybody in Fidesz who would fit the bill of a strong PM for Hungary?

          • spectator

            Leto, I didn’t asked about “my” possibilities, neither I care what you think what I should/could or not do.

            Yes, there is a perfectly legal and democratic way to send away Viktor Orban from his post as a Prime Minister of Hungary, in a way of a parliamentary motion of no-confidence, whether if you like it or not.

            As I see it you’re afraid, that others will pay attention and they may consider as a plausible solution too, aren’t you?
            You know, if anybody hold the fate of Hungary high, they should not only considering it, but acting as well, while there is a chance controlling the damage Orban has caused to Hungary, by stopping him to do more.

            (Actually I’ve find your tone too agitated to be healthy, hence the medical reference. I’m glad, you made it so far!)

          • Leto مؤدّب

            @postcommie bastard:

            And who said there isn’t “a perfectly legal and democratic way to send away Viktor Orban from his post as a Prime Minister of Hungary”? Do you think I didn’t know about these rules or I didn’t understand the quoted paragraphs? :)

            I said it’s absolutely not your concern who Fidesz runs for PM. I also said there isn’t and mostly likely there won’t be a political will in Fidesz for fulling your wet dreams.
            I fully understand you’d love to see someone “more manageable” (for your ilk) in the PM’s seat but chances are it’s not going to happen. BTW, if something happened to Orbán then I’d support Kövér as PM since he’d be a hardliner against your rotten postcommie kind and he’d be a guarantee to continue with the Orbán-line. And you bet this is not a singular opinion among Fidesz-supporters.

            Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

        • spectator

          @JA
          I wouldn’t know of a “strong” PM – actually I would like to see a boring uninteresting person doing his/her job properly for the real benefit of the country.
          You see, when I’ve first seen Angela Merkel I couldn’t find one single feature impressive any way. I was wrong, the Gray Matter wasn’t that obvious.

          Along these lines, I think, I’d like to see someone taking over and start cleaning up the stall.

          Otherwise I have problem with conservatism – think of the guy the other night and his view of women, as a conservative MP – no, thanks!

          Lastly – my beauty started deteriorating right after I’ve passed the weight of 385 grams, and it’s still going on hard ;-)

          • justasking,

            @spec,

            ‘and it’s still going on hard’

            Huh…yeah…that might be a little tooo much information for me…but I’m sure, you and your partner are most happy that everything is still in working order considering your advanced age…not many men can claim the same.

            :D

          • spectator

            @Zs
            The deteriorating of my beauty what’s going on hard, otherwise no complains either, thank you.
            - If I remember correct, due to my advanced age, that is…

          • justasking,

            @spec,

            ‘The deteriorating of my beauty what’s going on hard’

            Strong…’the deteriorating of my beauty what’s going on strong’ would be the right way to say it.

            Avoids confusion…hell, I thought you were flirting with me!! :D

          • spectator

            @Zs
            Remember, I’m from the other end of the planet, and still have the mind-set determined by the mother tongue.

            Avoids confusion… – coward enough or experienced enough?
            Or experienced too much? Or both?
            Or just the other thread effected the mood, as I think.
            Still…!

          • DoubleH63

            @spectator

            “I wouldn’t know of a “strong” PM”.

            That is your answer to a very simple question of ja?

            “in your opinion, is there anybody in Fidesz who would fit the bill of a strong PM for Hungary?”

            Are you afraid to say yes or no [as a person who does not give a flying fuck]? Then you go into some daydreaming about AM [what a fucking cunt she is] and your beauty?
            No fucking humanism yet? Maybe in your next post.

          • spectator

            @Dobule
            I see, that you have had hard day – your level of comprehension shows it clearly.
            I’ll help you out, don’t worry!

            The question was:
            “in your opinion, is there anybody in Fidesz who would fit the bill of a strong PM for Hungary?”
            - As you see, the emphasis was on the second part of the sentence, the keyword here is “strong”.
            If you look again my answer you’ll see that I responded to the “keyword”:
            “I wouldn’t know of a “strong” PM”
            - Nothing to afraid here, I have no idea, who will be a “strong PM”, how could I? Ask someone fidesznyik, they might.
            “Then you go into some daydreaming about AM”- Entirely wrong. Merkel came into the picture as someone I couldn’t ever guessed beforehand how strong she really is, and in this respect totally irrelevant whether or not you – or anyone – like her, that’s another question.

            Consequently, the people could/should take over from Orban may have likewise misleading appearance and still turn out to be strong PM at the end. Keep in mind that not always the loudmouth bully the most successful, but who gets what he/she want with the less effort and fuss.

            As is far from being the case in Hungary today, rather the opposite, shouting, blaring, bullying, banging on the tables – and get rebuked in exchange, instead results.

  • Aloof

    According to that lady with the 3 j*wish kids Hungary is a 3rd world country. I’m closer to her position than OV’s that for sure except for that her followers discount American, Canadian and Israeli Hungarians as not worthy to call themselves Hungarians.

    Hungary has become a third world country said MEP Krisztina Morvai at Jobbik Saturday’s demonstration in Veszprém. Only the poorest countries are characterized by economic migration said Morvai. We don’t have independent economy anymore, the country suffers from high crime rate, the public sector is overwhelmed by corruption, public money and land distribution follows secretive procedures and no one holds the ‘political elite’ accountable for the crimes they have been committing on the ongoing basis against the Hungarian people said Krisztina Morvai.

    • Magyar

      Her children are only half Jewish from the paternal side.
      She is a gentile, therefore her Children are not Jewish.

      • MagyarViking

        Where in the Torah is it written that only if your Mother was a J*w, you will be J*w?

        It is not, and according to Reform J*daism it does not matter which one of your parents were J*wish

        So, they can of course be regarded J*wish

        • MagyarViking

          Sorry, forgot:

          * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money*

    • Anonymous

      “Independent economy” is babble talk. Even the United States depended on foreign capital during the 19th century for its economic development.

  • Liz Aucoin

    If the crime rate is very high, it shows that it is a result of government corruption. If your leaders don’t have any sort of ethical standard and are crooked, you certainly won’t see it from the population. People see it as “what is good for the goose, is good for the gander”! Everyone out for themself, no mutual respect for each other or their government.

  • Leto مؤدّب

    There’s no corruption in Hungary. Hungarians are ethical people who would never lie, steal or cheat. Except the postcommies of course, but they will be wiped out completely any time soon.

    Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

    • Leto مؤدّب

      @post faker:

      This is great! Finally you learned to use

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est. :)

  • Orbanist

    Everything Orban says is a LIE and everything he does is pure MADNESS.
    “Az önök politikája nem kiszámítható, kommunikációja nem beszámítható.” – Benedek Jávor (LMP)

  • akuku

    I like what Orban does. He creates country where hungarians will be deciding their own fate. Not Bruxels or Goldman Sachs.

    This is why there is massive attack against him.
    I can see that what he does will start bringing positive results in a year or two.

    • Daniel

      Tell that to the 100,000s of people eating from trashcans because they can’t pay their food. The homeless people, the elder people who are begging in the streets to pay for their medicines…

      Tell that to the 100,000s of people leaving the country because they’re are no decent jobs. More Hungarians have left now than after the 1956 uprising.

      Tell that to the 100,000s of people belonging to minorities, who are daily attacked or threatened with physical violence.

      Orban has created a society driven by hate and fear. The long and rich European history has learned us one thing, namely that cheap rhetoric does not solve a thing, but instead espouses the idea of a democracy in steep decline.

      • Leto مؤدّب

        I suggest you should spare this incredibly cheap postcommie propaganda.

        Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

        • Pipo

          Leto, you know that you sound like a die hard communist 98% of the time, right?

          All this “follow the leader” here and “obey the leader” there, “the big leader can’t do any wrong” would have made Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili, the spiritual father of Orban, very proud.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            @postcommie moron:

            Do you know that, based on your earlier posts, I don’t care a whistle what you write about me, right?

            Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

    • Cnut

      Hungarians now have the freedom to choose their own fate: as long as they choose high inflation, negative growth and growing unemployment. Which results in numerous Hungarians leaving Hungary, and making Hungarian assets cheaper and more affordable for foreigners to buy.

  • Liz Aucoin

    So so blind! Okay we will see in a year or two,

  • MagyarViking

    justasking, says:
    September 13, 2012 at 5:11 am

    ‘Time to act for an Orban-free Hungary’
    And replace him with who?
    —

    PM: Majnai
    Finance Minister: Bokros

    As simple as that

    • MagyarViking

      Sorry, cannot spell at this hour, should of course be:

      PM: Bajnai
      Finance Minister: Bokros

      It is nearly as simple as that…

    • Bowen

      For a minute, there, I thought you wrote PM: Majmi

      But you’re right. Even a trained monkey would be an improvement on Orban.

      • Leto مؤدّب

        No, Bajnai is not a trained monkey. Besides being a postcommie EU/IMF-lackey, he’s a goose-thief. He maybe a monkey but he was not trained to steal those geese.

        Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

        • MagyarViking

          Leto مؤدّب says:
          September 13, 2012 at 9:44 am

          he’s a goose-thief
          —

          “Years later, when he started his political career, Bajnai was criticized for the Hajdu-Bet collapse, although won law-suits against media-outlets for false accusations”
          (-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Bajnai#Entrepreneurial_career)

          (-http://index.hu/belfold/baj627p/)
          (-http://www.origo.hu/itthon/20060703penzukert.html)

          Given that Bajnai has won court-cases disproving this accusation, it seems that people like ‘leto’ has nothing left than smear…

    • MagyarViking

      Let me add a 3rd name to the list:
      Ibolya David, the former leader of the now defunct MDF party

      So then we have:
      PM: Bajnai
      Finance Minister: Bokros
      Minister for Justice and the rest: David

      Can it be better?

      • Democrat

        Good governance would be served well by including Mate Szabo, or at least making sure he keeps his present role

      • spectator

        Look, coming together nicely!

        Keep on working gals and guys, seems pretty much that we have to solve this mess, ’cause nobody else does ;-)

      • Magyar

        Why not just make Gyurcsány the Nemzetvezető?

      • DoubleH63

        @Magyar Vking

        “Can it be better?”

        Yes, let’s add Allende for President, you Scandinavian Commie.

        @spectator

        “Look, coming together nicely!”
        Spokesperson of the government should be Red Eva

        [Secretary to her should be you – commenting enough on her blog, to get the job.]

      • Magyar

        Everybody be quiet! I have the perfect government!

        Prime minister: Ferenc Gyurcsány
        President: Liz Aucoin
        Minister of Defence: Béla Biszku
        Minister of Interior: Shlomo Köves
        Minister of National Development: Gábor Demszky
        Minister of National Economy: Gordon Bajnai
        Minister of Foreign Affairs: László Péntek

        The rest of the positions can be scrambled between Red Eva’s blog commenters.

        What do you say?

    • justasking,

      @Viking,

      ‘PM: Bajnai…Finance Minister: Bokros…As simple as that

      You’re mad!

      • Leto مؤدّب

        @justasking:

        It’s quite funny to read how these idiots furiously speculate on completely discredited postcommie politicians like Bajnai, Bokros or Dávid. :D

        The icing on the cake is that they’d even “generously” add Navrasics, an Orbán follower. How pathetic. :D :D

        Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

        • Magyar

          Leto, it is quite funny, I agree with you there :D

          You should see what they write on Red Evas Blog :D
          The main difference is, most involve Gyurcsány somewhere in the mix, usually as prime minister.

          Btw, did you hear about Barroso’s latest postcommie speech?
          That the EU must become a federation?

          • Leto مؤدّب

            Yeah. I’d say “up his”.

            “a federation of Europe is “unavoidable” if Europe’s embattled common currency is to survive the financial crisis”

            -http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/13/business/barroso-europe-federal-states/index.html

            Let the euro zone countries eat their own s***, let them be controlled by “Brussels” (in fact by Berlin and by Paris to a lesser degree)

            Hungary must stay out of this like the UK, Denmark or the Czech Republic will. A big no to any federalization, with blocks enshrined in the Constitution.

            Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • Magyar

            If we remain in the EU and focused on the west, we will get swallowed up in the end.

            Norway is not even in the EU, but its still its bitch.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            You cannot hop to another continent. But you can resist federalization like these countries do.

            Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • Magyar

            We are not completly free of the EU.

            Resistance is futile, as the federation is a plan of certain people, who will do anything to carry it out. It could even be as simple as a Mossad bullet for leading Fidesz members.

            People who threaten the plan will dissappear, just like those assasinated Iranian nuclear scientists.

            I posted as video of a speech by a J@w who was telling about how Europe must be transformed into a multicultural liberal society, and how J@ws will have the leading role in that. I will post it again if you want.

            Oh btw,did you read about those muslims in Norway who demand their own autonomous area, and they threaten Norway with their own 9/11?
            Isnt multiculturalism and immigration just wonderful?

            Go ahead, callme a fascistoid moron now :D

          • Leto مؤدّب

            BTW, federalization wouldn’t work in Europe in the long term anyway. :) You just cannot promote federalization on a commercial basis, like it is done now, and there isn’t enough, and there will never be enough, socio-cultural common ground among European nations. The current level of integration is already pushing the limits and federalization would require a lot more. The ‘United States of Europe’ is a stillborn idea of these “eurocrats”.

            Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

  • Monica

    CLOSEST CLINICAL CATEGORY FOR ORBAN: SOCIOPATH

    10 signs for spotting a sociopath

    #1) Sociopaths are charming. Sociopaths have high charisma and tend to attract a following just because people want to be around them. They have a “glow” about them that attracts people who typically seek guidance or direction. They often appear to be sexy or have a strong sexual attraction. Not all sexy people are sociopaths, obviously, but watch out for over-the-top sexual appetites and weird fetishes.

    #2) Sociopaths are more spontaneous and intense than other people. They tend to do bizarre, sometimes erratic things that most regular people wouldn’t do. They are unbound by normal social contracts. Their behavior often seems irrational or extremely risky.

    #3) Sociopaths are incapable of feeling shame, guilt or remorse. Their brains simply lack the circuitry to process such emotions. This allows them to betray people, threaten people or harm people without giving it a second thought. They pursue any action that serves their own self interest even if it seriously harms others.

    #4) Sociopaths invent outrageous lies about their experiences. They wildly exaggerate things to the point of absurdity, but when they describe it to you in a storytelling format, for some reason it sounds believable at the time.

    #5) Sociopaths seek to dominate others and “win” at all costs. They hate to lose any argument or fight and will viciously defend their web of lies, even to the point of logical absurdity.

    #6) Sociopaths tend to be highly intelligent, but they use their brainpower to deceive others rather than empower them. Their high IQs often makes them dangerous. This is why many of the best-known serial killers who successfully evaded law enforcement were sociopaths.

    #7) Sociopaths are incapable of love and are entirely self-serving. They may feign love or compassion in order to get what they want, but they don’t actually FEEL love in the way that you or I do.

    #8) Sociopaths speak poetically. They are master wordsmiths, able to deliver a running “stream of consciousness” monologue that is both intriguing and hypnotic.
    #9) Sociopaths never apologize. They are never wrong. They never feel guilt. They can never apologize. Even if shown proof that they were wrong, they will refuse to apologize and instead go on the attack.

    #10) Sociopaths are delusional and literally believe that what they say becomes truth merely because they say it!

  • Monica

    #10) Sociopaths are delusional and literally believe that what they say becomes truth merely because they say it!

    Hey Leto…it is about you too!

    • Leto مؤدّب

      Hey postcommie bastard, you’re rather pathetic. :)

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

  • MagyarViking

    So, Spectator (September 13, 2012 at 7:26 pm) gave me an idea
    I have also noticed Navracsics and I actually would add him to the list as the 4th person:

    So then we have:
    PM: Bajnai
    Finance Minister: Bokros
    Minister for Justice: David
    Minister for the rest: Navracsics

    Can it be even better?

    And may I point to the outcome of the Dutch elections yesterday (Wednesday) – The fringe lost and the established EU-friendly parties won
    It seems the voters came back to Mama after been flirting a bit with Wilders

    So, time for Hungarians to restore those normal European-oriented parties again, now when Iboyla David is off the hook, Bokros and Bajnai are free and Navracsics is very upset over PimpMaster Whorbans Azeri-act

    * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money*

  • wolfi

    Monica probably read the same article that I did:

    -http://www.naturalnews.com/036112_sociopaths_cults_influence.html

    Very interesting and shows the way Orbán’s rabid kutya aka leto is behaving – what I call L4F:

    Loonie lying leto’s logical fallacies:

    Just repeat something often enough (like “goose thief”) – even if it’s absolutely untrue, people will remember it.

  • MagyarViking

    Leto مؤدّب says:
    September 13, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    The icing on the cake is that they’d even “generously” add Navrasics, an Orbán follower
    —

    I personally, after spoken to people who know Dr. Navracsics Tibor personally (unlike Vona he has not been in my home drinking whiskey), Dr. Navracsics Tibor would take it asa Great Insult to be called “an Orbán follower”

    Dr. Navracsics Tibor belongs to the few in top Fidesz, another is Köver, who says what he wants. He is definitely not a ‘yes-sayer’, even if ‘leto’ would like to present it like that

    Another one is Pokorni Zoltán. Personally I have a problem with him since 2006, when he went out and obviously lied (-http://www.pestiside.hu/20061006/viking-skeptic/), but in the name of the unity of the country, we should let him take care of schooling?

    Then we would then have the following list:
    PM: Bajnai
    Finance Minister: Bokros
    Minister for Justice: David
    Minister for Education: Pokorni
    Minister for the rest: Navracsics

    * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money*

    • Postcommie

      “PM: Bajnai
      Finance Minister: Bokros
      Minister for Justice: David
      Minister for Education: Pokorni
      Minister for the rest: Navracsics”

      NO!, If you want an enlightened and democratic government, you must do it right!

      Prime minister: Ferenc Gyurcsány
      President: Eva Balogh
      Minister of Defence: Béla Biszku
      Minister of Interior: Shlomo Köves
      Minister of National Development: Gábor Demszky
      Minister of National Economy: Gordon Bajnai
      Minister of Foreign Affairs: László Péntek

  • Leto مؤدّب

    A good editorial from today’s Magyar Nemzet.
    -http://mno.hu/vezercikk/mozgaster-1105477
    This is the gist of it:

    A postcommie reporter (Erik Havas) said to Viktor Orbán in a TV-interview in the September of 1998: “You deliberately infuriated the Communists, people you call as such. What you said on the reburial of [the executed Prime Minister] Imre Nagy was simply blood-boiling according to many and it damaged Hungary’s interests on the international level.”

    And what do we hear in 2012? The statements made by Viktor are blood-boiling and they damage Hungary’s interests on the international level.

    The ones who were fuming like this in 1988 were mostly in MSZMP (the state party of the dictatorship). The ones who are fuming like this today are mostly in MSZP (the successor party to MSZMP which was ousted from power in 2010 in a landslide victory by Fidesz)

    Nihil sub sole novum … et

    Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

    • Magyar

      Leto you know very well I am not a great fan of Fidesz, but I enjoy and appreciate when they make postcommies squirm and cry :D :D

  • spectator

    Well, one thing is definitely new, even if you – and Orban – don’t like to admit – a few decades went by since – tempora mutantur , Leto.

    While the original goes on like “…nos et mutamur in illis” it obviously has no effect on you, you both chewing on the same old bone.

    Basically the biggest problem what a revolutionary can face when he survive the revolution and simply has no idea, how to adapt to his victory – to the peace, essentially.

    Then comes up this kind of crap by the load, pretending at all price, holding on the same old shit while the World turning.

    Away, that is.

    Actually Viktor didn’t managed to make my blood boil – he made me want to throw up on his face.

    One thing to “damage Hungary’s interests on the international level” – what he really did – but spinelessly lying about it, hasn’t got the balls to stand up and say “sorry, folks, I screw up large, but I’ll do my best to clean up my own mess, because I feel responsible for this country” – or whatever at this effect.

    No, he’s not man enough to take responsibility for his own actions, hiding behind the back of others and blaming everyone else.

    This is Viktor Orban in 2012.

    The Hero of ’89 dead and buried – by no means resembles to this slug pretending to be a man and a politician while neither of these.

    Requiescat in pace, Viktor, Ave, Imperator Orban, morituri te salutant!

    • Leto مؤدّب

      “Ave, Imperator Orban, morituri te salutant!”

      Are you going to fight to death to honour Orbán or you’ve got other reasons to die? Requiesce in pace!

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

      • spectator

        Certainly have another reason – the same as you, by the way – I was born, and this fact automatically put me to the death-row, this is life, you see.

        Otherwise I’m quite certain that a learned phylos as yourself knows perfectly well, that the morituri is in plural – so it isn’t about me, but you and the devoted supporters who following this less than … OK, Orban to the end.
        The end will inevitably come, and you all going to be the part of the scene. It’s a pity, really, because you’d deserve better – as Hungary, in whole, and it include you as well.

        Personally I don’t believe that you – and quite a number of your kind ever will have exactly this how it happening. I also think, that you mostly stick to your previous statements, because you have no better idea, let alone face the consequences of a bad decision, not to mention the fact that you’ve been fu*ked over by a cheap con man.
        Just look at the recent developments: Orban already fixing the election without the support from you or the other disappointed masses – you don’t needed anymore. Uncle Áron from Csíkszereda and some inland juggling can take care of everything, so it doesn’t matter anymore, how you feel.
        You don’t have to answer to all of this – you’re not that stupid who doesn’t understand what I’m saying you see it yourself if you want it to, without bigger effort.
        Have a nice day!

        • Leto مؤدّب

          ” a learned phylos as yourself knows perfectly well, that the morituri is in plural”

          I’m no “learned phylos” (I assume you meant what is called “bölcsész” in Hungarian), my degree is in hard science. Though I know perfectly well that “moriturus” would be the singular form. :)

          No need to answer anything more in your post indeed. However the reason is simply because that’s only the usual orbanophobic noise you always emit.

          Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

  • latinist

    There is no “phylos”. It iss philos. Please, don’t mislead people.

    • Leto مؤدّب

      I know you speak better French than Prof. Pastre from the Universit of Paris so can you explain me why he wrote

      “Le patrie… autisme économique !” instead of “La patrie… autisme économique !”

      -http://www.larevueparlementaire.fr/pages/RP885/RP885_debats_olivier_pastre.htm

      Thanks!

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

  • wolfi

    Allons enfants de la patrie …

    Even professors can get it wrong – not only Orbán’s rabid kutya who seems to have nothing else to do.

    How much does Fidesz pay for its rantings ? By word or by factor of idiocy/logical fallacy ?

    • Leto مؤدّب

      @unwelcome alcoholic German idiot:

      Did anyone ask you about this? No, not at all.
      I asked the person who uses the name “latinist”, for a good reason.

      So please piss off to hell, you pathetic moron.

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

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