September 19th, 2012

Fidesz submits election bill for parliament debate

The ruling Fidesz-Christian Democratic party alliance submitted a proposal for new electoral procedures to the national assembly on Tuesday.

The package, submitted by head of the Prime Minister’s Office Janos Lazar, Fidesz lawmaker Lajos Kosa and Christian Democrat MP Imre Vejkey, includes the introduction of voter pre-registration for elections.

Pre-registration of voting-age nationals will be possible until 15 days before a given election, and registration will be valid for three elections – the general election, local elections and the EU elections. Anyone who fails to register for the first election, however, will have an opportunity to register for future ones elections.

Under the proposed changes, parliament will delegate seven members to the National Elections Committee for a nine-year year term. Political parties and organisations fielding candidates could also send additional members to the body.

The proposal seeks to set up a National Elections Centre, an autonomous body within the public administration system, which will be in charge of making arrangements for and facilitating elections.

If the bill is passed into law, candidates in future will need signatures from 200 supporters to run in Hungary’s general elections, while 5,000 signatures will be required for elections to the European Parliament.

The new preconditions for general-election candidacy would replace the current system of collecting nomination slips from voters. At present, 1,000 such slips are necessary for the candidate to become eligible.

Supporters can add their signatures to nominate candidates 31 days before an election at the latest.

The package includes a proposal to amend the basic law so that the compilation of the voter list is done on a voluntary basis; in other words, the state will no longer hold a central list of voters.

The amendment will also affect rules pertaining to national referendums. In the future, referendums will be valid if at least half of registered eligible voters turn up to vote and cast a valid ballot. Currently proportion this applies to all voters.
Deputy head of Fidesz Lajos Kosa said on public radio earlier on Tuesday the new electoral law would “open the door of democracy wide”. He added that voters could support more than one candidate in the same election.

Kosa confirmed that the campaign silence prior to the election would be scrapped.

MTI (Magyar Távirati Iroda) is the Hungarian news agency.
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  • Paul

    A recent poll from Nézőpont, a research institute close to Fidesz, indicates that 75% of the people are against Fidesz’s registration scheme.

    Now what?

    • Aloof

      Fidesz passes it of course. Who gives a shit about the Hungarian people? There is an election to be won so power and control must be maintained at all costs and by any method. 53% of eligible voters were already apathetic about voting for anyone already before this obvious BS scheme. Hungary as a country is more lost than ever…

    • Leto مؤدّب

      Now nothing.

      The other major statements in that poll:
      - more people expects Fidesz to win in 2014 than the ones who support Fidesz (that’s an important signal)
      - registration hardly decreases willingness to vote

      -http://nezopontintezet.hu/aktualis/regisztraciora-varva/

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

  • wolfi

    I wonder if these crazies have thought it through:

    What about people like me who are allowed to participate in local and EU elections in Hungary (Look out Orbán and his dogs – I’m still here …) ?

    Do we also have to register ? What will the EU say ?

    I’m waiting …

  • Democrat

    So our brand new, shiny constitution is already being changed!! And BTW, if “the state will no longer hold a central list of voters”. Who will hold this cherished list, who will be able to inspect it etc?

  • Arājs

    Viktor just wants to copy Adolf, Benito and Josef; leading his hordes of peasants towards chaos, hate and destruction.
    And I have to admit, the autocratic leader is doing an amazing job.

    All hail the power of Viktor’s name!

  • Isabella

    The government should better focus on the real problems and make laws to protect the minorities. Last year, most of Canada’s refugee claimants in 2011 were from Hungary.

    “Roma people, Roma families have a big fear to go back to Hungary. Their life is in great danger there,” said Florian Botos, a Burnaby resident who’s helping organize the rally.

    According to Botos, Roma people in Hungary face widespread discrimination and attacks from neo-Nazis, some of which have resulted in death.”

    Source://www.burnabynow.com/news/Refugees+take+protest+downtown/7264206/story.html#ixzz26ub04B4m

    • Leto مؤدّب

      Even the Canadian authorities have realized by now these “Roma” claims are entirely bogus. What these Gypsies have, instead of ” big fear to go back to Hungary”, an appetite for the generous Canadian welfare benefits.

      -http://www.torontosun.com/2012/08/31/deported-refugee-claimants-still-collecting-welfare

      -http://www.torontosun.com/2011/10/26/immigration-officials-closely-monitoring-roma-arrivals

      I cannot find that article now where one of these refugee claimant Gypsies said they returned to Hungary (after collecting their “due” money) because there are too many cockroaches in Toronto and they are not used to that. :D

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

    • JA aka justasking

      @Isabella,

      ‘Last year, most of Canada’s refugee claimants in 2011 were from Hungary’

      Here is some more info on that:

      THE ROMA WAVE

      One of the groups that has been accused of gaming Canada’s refugee system with false claims is the Roma (G*psies) of Europe.

      In 2011, 4,900 Roma from Hungary made claims to refugee status in Canada, up from 2,400 the year before.

      Immigration Minister Jason Kenney told CBC News that, “Obviously the Roma community in Europe has always faced difficulty, there’s no doubt about that.” But, he added, that he doubted their situation amounted to systematic persecution from the government of Hungary.

      It’s likely that Hungary, and all other European Union countries, would be designated as safe under Canada’s new refugee rules.

      ——-

      Here’s another article worth reading on this situation:

      -Nicole O’Reilly Thu Jan 12 2012 09:40:08 – Human trafficking case puts spotlight on refugee system
      ——-

      And another:

      -Record number of Hungarian asylum-seekers landing on Canada’s doorstep
      Kathryn Blaze Carlson | Nov 4, 2011 8:29 PM ET

      ——–

      And last, but not least:

      -Border Services Report Says Bogus Refugees From Hungary Could Cost Canada $222 Million A Year
      Posted on August 31, 2012 by CICS News Team

      -Immigration Minister Announces 3,100 Having Citizenship Revoked, 11,000 Under Investigation
      Posted on September 11, 2012 by CICS News Team

    • Liz Aucoin

      You will soon see why we are getting alot of refugees from Hungary Isabella, their hatred is beyond me, and it certainly does not help that some of these haters have come to Canada to spread their hate, while they take advantage of Canada and our generosity as well, but they forget that of course, because they are now here and citizens. But if a Roma comes, they will call them every name in the book. Watch and read the beautiful comments you will see after this post. Not many who love Roma on this site.

      • Magyar

        “Not many who love Roma on this site.”

        Gee I wonder why.

        Not even liberals like them.
        Why dont MSZP members go and live in Borsod? :) )))

      • Anonymous

        “Not many who love Roma on this site.”

        Luckily at least you love yourself if nobody else does.

  • Liz Aucoin

    JA, lets hope none of your family are going to be deported. The citizenship revocation is not about Roma, so you never know! I think that JA is just as racist as Magyar, but less vulgar about it, because of course she lives in Canada, but her posts are just as hateful. Here is an article involving the citizen revocations.
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-revoking-citizenship-of-more-than-3000-after-fraud-investigation/article4532222/

  • Bill

    Magyar. Try Felsőnyék…and a hundred villages just like it across Hungary. Same situation different geographical location. Munka nelkuli…i.e. no jobs, petty thieving, lack of proper administration…gyps don’t assimilate…ignore the law, and normal rules governing civilized behavior…et al, ad nauseum. The bureaucratic pond life in Brussels are out of touch…with everything. Spain is reeling under economic pressure and Catalonia wants independence and shut of the sprawling monolith which is, the European Union!

    • Magyar

      Bill, you hit the nail on the head with this post.

      Sometimes it seems like not many people understand (or maybe they just refuse to believe? ) that what you just said exists.

    • Magyar

      I have actually seen what you described first hand.
      I know how it works, what the deal is.

      But many people are very naive, they think I am just lying, or that its only in my home village, or they accuse me of being a stupid idiot who is imagining things.

      Most of these people are city dwellers off course, and 80% of them live in or come from Western Europe or Northern America.

  • olga

    @ JA

    I read the Globe Article regarding the citizenship revocation the morning it came out because the Globe is our morning paper in hard copy .

    As soon as I read the article, I knew you and your family were going to be deported, including you who was born in Canada (they are willing to make an exception in your case because you were never an immigrant – I would be an one even if my parents came here when I was 2 days old as long as I had been born in BP)

    I am counting the days of your deportations based on my hope that you will buy property in Hungary and keep a room for me – I would also like some input in the location if you don’t mind.

    Thank the Lord that we have a Canadian lawyer on this site with expertise in Constitutional, Family, Criminal and Immigration Law

    Hard to find them in our city where most lawyers specialize and would limit their practices to certain specialties and the above 4 practices as a rule, do not go together. What a blessing for this site

    • …justasking,

      @Olga,

      ‘As soon as I read the article, I knew you and your family were going to be deported’

      Yes, this situation has forced me to ‘go underground’ for the time being, until we can figure something out. I’m sitting on pins and needles, wondering once they strip my parents of their citizenship…will their bodies be exhumed and sent back to Pest?

      As you can appreciate, once these things have been cleared up, I’ll start apartment hunting…of course you would have say as to it’s location you silly girl.

      Now, I must be off, I believe that Jason Kenney has taken a personal interest in my case and fear he might be tracking me via my computer ‘signals’.

      PS: do you think we should come up with a code name…something like ‘big eagle’ and ‘little sparrow’?
      ———–

      ‘What a blessing for this site’

      Yes, from your lips to His ears.

  • Viking

    The package includes a proposal to amend the basic law so that the compilation of the voter list is done on a voluntary basis; in other words, the state will no longer hold a central list of voters

    This is the Center Piece of this Bill and the reason for it is?

    Given that Fidesz is as pro-BIG State Governance as your next door Communist, this is an interesting exception
    And the exception is at heart of Democracy, meaning the Fidesz State is not suppose to guarantee that all its citizens are allowed to vote, then it has taken away that responsibility

    So, which of PimpMaster WHorban’s minigarchs will get the task (with a not so small price-tag) to keep this list?

    As at least one national minority in Hungary has discovered, in PimpMaster Whorban’s Whorbanistan everything has a price…

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