September 27th, 2012

Why Hungarian nationalists should be mad that Armenia is still so mad at Hungary

A statement yesterday by the Hungarian foreign ministry that it has “not much else” to offer Armenia to help mend the diplomatic relations shattered by the Ramil Safarov affair suggests that the Hungarian government is really trying to draw a line under the ugly split.

I doubt it will work. Despite Hungary’s ongoing attempts to squelch the inferno of Armenian rage at the release and subsequent pardoning of the Azerbaijani axe-killer, the Armenian government and members of the large worldwide diaspora of Armenians seem united in their unwillingness to cool off.

Contrast this with the reaction in Hungary and among Hungarians abroad, who early on divided along partisan lines, with the left lashing out at the Orbán government for springing Safarov, allegedly as part of a deal with Azerbaijan involving monetary benefits for Budapest, and the right defending the government.

While such a split among Hungarians is quite predictable, I can’t help but find it incongruous, because there are good reasons why Hungarian nationalists of the sort that have backed the government throughout the controversy should be its biggest critics on the issue. Indeed, of all the countries that a nationalist Hungary should be cultivating good ties with, Armenia should be near the top of the list, for reasons of both principle and practicality.

One (literally) graphic illustration of why is offered by the pair of maps reproduced above. On the left, you’ve got a demographic map of the ethnic Hungarian minority in Transylvania, and on the right, one of Nagorno-Karabakh, the break-away ethnic Armenian enclave within Azerbaijan.

The two situations are obviously not identical. As a percentage of the population of Armenia, Nagorno-Karabakh (4%) is much smaller than the population of Hungarians living in Transylvania (12%). And relations between Hungary and Romania (or Slovakia, the other neighboring country with a large Hungarian minority) are on their worst day miles better than between Armenia and Azerbaijan on their best.

Still, the parallels are striking, and if there is any country in Europe (last year it began negotiations to become an associate member of the EU) that can identify with the challenges Hungary faces in this area, it is Armenia.

Meanwhile, for those who doubt whether Armenia has the clout to actually help Hungary and its ethnic kin abroad, the answer is yes. In the US, the “Armenian lobby” is widely seen as one of the top three such ethnic lobbies (the Cubans and Jews are the others). And it is not just in the US that the Armenian Diaspora flexes its political muscle.

But now, rather than that muscle being flexed on behalf of the Hungarian nation, it will be flexed against Hungary and the Hungarians. And it should be Hungarian nationalists – rather than their “internationalist” rivals on the left – who should be the most enraged by the supposedly nationalist government that has allowed this to happen.

Erik D'Amato (@erikdamato) is publisher and editor-in-chief of the All Hungary Media Group.
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  • ~HaYaStAn~

    Fuck azeri’s muslims shit country. TERROR KILLERS!
    hungry=also an turkish country, not European.

    • Leto مؤدّب

      FYI, Hungary isn’t a “turkish country” though the Ottoman Empire made their best at turning her into one.
      Hungary is a Hungarian country and our language is Finnish-Ugorian with some strong Turkic (not Turkish!!) elements indeed.

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

      • Leto مؤدّب

        Correction: did their best
        Damn, and I thought I’ve already mastered the difference between ‘do’ and ‘make’. :D :D

        Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

  • ThE_WoRd

    I just read that both Cher and the entire Kardashian clan (both ethnic Armenians) have publicly announced plans to trash their Esztergom made Suzuki Swifts, throw out the pots of goulash soup that previously stuffed their refrigerators and stop eating Turo Rudis as protest against Hungary’s release of Safarov.

    • Daniel

      haha

  • Leto مؤدّب

    @Erik:

    You made some good points in this post. However, as a Hungarian nationalist, I’m not mad that Armenia is still so mad at Hungary.

    Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

    • http://www.allhungary.hu Erik D’Amato

      Not so surprised by this, but a bit disappointed.

      • ricsi

        Is there not an Azerbajani enclave within Armenia,was this not cut off and then attacked by Armenian forces in 1991,was not all of Safarov’s family massacred by Armenian militia in front of his eyes whilst he hid,as a child????
        And whilst not excusing murder,do you honestly believe you could live your life normally after such trauma? Idiot ZioNato put him and an Armenian on the same course in Budapest,there tempers flarred after the Armenian insulted him and his flag-so the guy snapped.
        Not making excuses for murder and not trying to defend idiot OV who likely new Safarov would be released but was too naive to see the consequence,also Russia is now making big inroads into Armenia,probably to counter any ZioNato expansion in Georgia and attack on Iran.Big mistake getting the sleeping bear upset when we need their cash and gas.Two sides to every coin,Armenia also as much to answer for,the situation is never so clear cut in the Caucasus.

      • Curious George

        Yes, Ricsi, every coin has two sides. I’m just curious if you know whether Safarov’s claims were ever verified?

        • ricsi

          Easy,try to find his family !
          Like I said,not trying to excuse the murder of another human with an axe but imagine what was going through Safarovs head all those years.

        • Shadow

          Actually Safarov’s claims sparked a lot of controversy because he was at a school in turkey at the time.

          And don’t believe the Khojali Lie. It has already been proven that Armenian forces warned of the attack days before and left an opening for civilians to escape.

          And it doesn’t stop there. The azeri civilians were actually denied leaving by their own people. The former mayor said he requested a helicopter to save the children but it was denied.

          Khojali was a stunt pulled by the azeri government because they had lost a war they started and had to get all the international sympathy they could so they could look innocent.

  • Aloof

    Nicley put.

    Armenia is hardly the only country that is “mad” at Hungary over this fiasco. Hungary’s current nationalistic arrogance will be catching up them sooner rather than later.

    Leto’s reply to Erik is proof positive of that arrogance.

    • Anonymous

      Yeh, Aloof lets’ pile on Hungary and sink it, then after its’gone what will you do with your free time?

  • Ma Jar

    Most things are usually resolved on its’ own with time and this affair will be but a blip. Let it be, don’t flog a dead horse, don’t talk it to death for all chatter only adds to noise pollution.

    • Anonymous

      Good thinking and a very good answer Ma Jar.

    • Aloof

      You don’t know Armenians very well to say that.

  • From Yerevan

    Армения не злится на Венгрию, в Армении понимают, что это решение Будапешт принимал не самостоятельно

    • Aloof

      Well that indeed is true. Armenians are mad at the current Hungarian government and their embarrassing leader, Viktor Orban.

      It is he and he alone by his own words that made this decision. Goes to show how much he actually cares about his own people, their minorities and the honor/dignity of the country.

  • Cnut

    Let’s all recognise that if Orbán made some big speech or gesture honouring Armenia, Leto would be writing fiercely how great it all is, something about Christian heritage, common history, strong contribution to Hungary.

    But it’s tough work for Leto on his knees orally pleasuring someone whose principles, like a weathervane, just turn in the wind and on a whim.

    • Leto مؤدّب

      Here goes another great anti-fan of mine. :D Are you forming a club anytime soon? ;)

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

  • VTiger

    Armenians are not angry with common Hungarians.They are angry with the immoral Hungarian government & its prime minister who released the night axe murderer knowing that he will be immediately released,pardoned & proclaimed a hero.Didn’t the Hungarian government & its PM ever calculate the backlash that it was going to get & tarnish its country’s image worldwide.Honest Hungarian people do not deserve such a government & PM that tarnishes their country’s image.
    My best regards to the Hungarian people.

    • Walacky

      I don’t think that you have either the competence, knowledge or authority that comes with Hu citizenship to make any judgement on the morality of the current Hu government. I as a Hungarian citizen, don’t care whether a murderer, if extradited from Hungary to his native country lives, dies, or flies to the Moon. The guy served 8 years in prison, pretty much the average duration of punishment for such a crime. He is not Hungarian, his victim was not Hungarian, and I see no reason why any Hungarian should care about what he did, and more importantly, pay the fee for keeping him here.

      • VTiger

        Oh oh oh,hold on when talking about competence,knowledge,authority & all the rest of the rubbish.
        This awful crime was committed in Hungary,your country if you are a real Hungarian.Any crime committed in any state,republic or kingdom is that country’s responsibility to judge & punish the criminal as per that country’s laws.
        You do not care but there are international laws & obligations.
        If Hungarians did not care why then you had all those demonstrations in Budapest?
        Of course I have the right to judge the criminal act of your government whether you like it or not.

        • Leto مؤدّب

          Safarov extradited to his home country according to international law and practice. I’m beginning to think this should have been done much earlier than after 8 years.

          Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

        • Leto مؤدّب

          “why then you had all those demonstrations in Budapest?”

          FYI, for purely one reason: the postcommie opposition tried to use this case, too, as a political weapon against the government . This guy, whose picture was posted everywhere in the global media, is a well-known postcommie political activist: -http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/293065_460638397303859_1601170724_n.jpg

          Besides one could see loads of other postcommie politicians in that crowd (of a few thousands people at most).

          Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • Aloof

            @Leto مؤدّب says: September 28, 2012 at 1:55 pm

            Oh stop the utter BS. Can’t Hungary EVER accept the fact that they f*cked when they f*ck up? It’s not like we don’t have a pretty good history of it.

            Armenia had EVERY right to do what they did. OV f*cked and f*cked up big time, he knew that 15 minutes after he did it. Nobody heard a peep out of him for days while he mapped out major damage control which his little trolls are still trying to do here.

            Show me one country besides Azerbaijan that made a public statement supporting what OV did 100%?

            You wonder why Armenia is telling Hungary to go f*ck themselves? I don’t:

            In his letter that was first reported by the Hungarian MTI news agency, Martonyi expressed regret at the dramatic move, citing “Christian values connecting the two peoples for a thousand years.”(So why did OV betray that thousand year friendship and trust? Hungarian and Armenian blood have been flowing through the same veins for a long time).

            The Hungarian minister also warned, “Suspending diplomatic relations could have serious ramifications that would not serve the interests of Armenia.” He apparently did not elaborate. (LMFAO! Yeah? Like what?)

            The Hungarian government also claims that it had received formal assurances from Azerbaijan that Safarov will serve the rest of a life sentence given to him by a Hungarian court in an Azerbaijani prison.(Show us the foral assurances then, where are they?)

            Armenian leaders have brushed aside such statements, saying that Budapest was well aware that Safarov will be set free if sent back home. They also say that Hungarian officials had repeatedly assured Yerevan, including in the days leading up to the extradition, that the Azerbaijani army officer will not be repatriated.(So OV lied to a thousand year friend and you jerk offs say f*ck Armenia?) LMFAO!

          • Leto مؤدّب

            “Armenia had EVERY right to do what they did.”

            Indeed. So had Hungary every right to Safarov extradite according to international law and practice like it was done. Now let’s move on because the topic is getting boring.

            Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            to extradite Safarov

        • Walacky

          Just because this guy killed an Armenian does not select him as any more dangerous criminal than as if his victim had been a Hungarian, German,Polynesian or Eskimo. Therefore he got the same serious punishment, ACCORDING TO THE HUNGARIAN LAW, of which he had served some part, ACCORDING TO HUNGARIAN LAW, and was extradited to his country, AS ROUTINELY DONE FOR OTHERS. As to “all those demonstrators”, (a few thousands, no more)they were that hardcore of those sour loosers who would team up for anything anytime with anybody just to get a kick at the current government. And although I hate to present you the sobering fact, but your right as a non-Hungarian citizen to judge this country’s government is no more than what a dog has in barking from the sideline.

  • Freedon

    As a nationalist leaning person, I think the Armenians are great Christians allies who along with the Greeks have been fighters against decades of brutality waged by their neighbors (not Baku parse, Turkey mostly).

    This is something that Hungary should never have gotten involved with, but unfortunately the murder took place on Hungarian land.

    I do think Armenia has overreacted, but it is understandable. What if Hungary just fought a recent ethnic-war with Slovakia, and several decades of ethnic clashes erupt along the borders, and the neighboring regimes leaders says it’s okay to kill Hungarians, and then when one Hungarian is killed at a NATO member country, that member turned the killer over to Slovakia and the regime welcomed him home as a national hero.

    Jobbik, was right to ask for cooler heads to prevail, but it should do more to condemn the handleing of this case by Orban.

  • Daniel

    Hungary benefited from this, Armenia did not. What are we even talking about here? Why would Hungary waste valuable resources to mend a non-existent relationship with a country that played virtually no role in supporting Hungary in the past 20 years. End of story.
    Besides, considering the close proximity of Kummamagyaria to Armenia in the middle ages, I’m not surprised to see Hungarian root-words in Armenian surnames. I’m sure Armenians can rest easy knowing they successfully assimilated my ancestors. Slota should get in contact with them ASAP. The “Kardosh-ians” can also help by explaining how their demented family manages to be so oblivious of their Magyar last name. SHA-BAM

    • Aloof

      a non-existent relationship with a country…

      Armenians have been coming to Hungary since the 10th and 11th centuries and have always been a christian nationalist minority since then.

      That might also provide a “clue” to why Armenians have Magyar surnames.

  • olga

    re: “Fuck azeri’s muslims shit country. TERROR KILLERS!”

    Obviously I do not label countries nor people this way, but one ax murderer goes free and because of all the publicity, the benefit I see to Armenians is their plight, that not everyone knew about, is now common knowledge in the Western world and if I can rephrase the “spirit” of the sentence in a much more “professional” way, “The Azeri government’s word is worth shit and cannot be trusted”

    Once again, it is demonstrated that legal rights and moral rights often have no correlation

  • Americanian

    I would be very surprised if the Hungarian corruption machine was able to turn away from potentially billions in well-washed money from a dictatorship like Azerbaijan. From what I see, the corrupto-cons are getting tired of having to pay their bills from their slush fund budgets. Oh wait did I mention dictatorship? Hmm… maybe stranded enclaves are not the only meter of what is in common here?

  • Independent

    Just one question to Armenia, what about those who have made terroristic attacks in other countries and were finally sent to Armenia to serve their panishment, just to be set free there and to become national heroes?

    In Azerbaijan this is only one-time case and for Armenia unfortunately not.

    Not to mention killings of tens of civilians in soviet union, (around 60′s, there was a first terroristic attack in Moscow metro by armenian nationalist group), what about tens of killed in Baku metro in 2 explosions in early 90′s. People who committed these crimes were heroes back in Armenia, some of them are still hunted by Azerbaijan.

    Silly thing that the government decided to make such a show out of it, preparing for the pulling elections in 2013, otherwise they could have just released him de-facto not de-juro, without raising all this stink by Armenia. But unfortunately present government in Azerbaijan targets low-level uneducated masses, they won’t win hearts of normal society with this sort of policy…

    • ricsi

      My points exactly,well said.

    • Tsayt

      Independent you are repeating falsehoods spread by Azeri/Turkish, and one local Hungarian idiot in this forum. One Armenian terrorist that served 18 years in French jails went to Armenia. He was pardoned by the French authorities and was sent to Armenia. He was neither met at the airpot by any Armenian official (unlike the Azeri murderer) not given a hero’s welcome at the airport (like the Azeri psycho) not given back wages, promoted to a higher rank, and turned into a national hero (unlike the pathological killer let loose by Hu.)

      So stop your bullshit! Baku metro explosions were the works of Islamic Azeri terrorists opposed to the secular (read: dictatorial) regime in Baku.

      • Leto مؤدّب

        Ok, once again, Armenian liar.

        Garabedian, who killed 8 civilians and injured 55 others, may not have been met at the airport by the Armenian prime minister. Your PM may have met him elsewhere. Does that matter? And yes, Garabedian was celebrated as a national hero and, similarly to Safarov, he was given employment and accommodation by high ranking officials.

        Radio Free Europe, Newsline – May 7, 2001:

        -http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1142396.html

        “ARMENIAN PREMIER MEETS WITH RELEASED ASALA MEMBER

        Meeting in Yerevan on 4 May with Varoujan Garabedian, a former member of ASALA (the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia), Prime Minister Andranik Markarian expressed his “joy” at Garabedian’s release from a French jail where he served almost 18 years of a life sentence for his alleged role in the 1983 bombing of the Turkish Airlines Office at Ory airport, Noyan Tapan and RFE/RL’s Yerevan bureau reported. Garabedian, who was born in Syria, was released on the condition that he be expelled to Armenia. The French daily “Liberation” reported at the time of Garabedian’s release last month that Yerevan Mayor Robert Nazarian had pledged to provide him with employment and accommodation.”

        You Armenians aren’t any better than Azeri, you just deserve eatch other. But please next time do your killings in the Caucasus, not in my country, gotcha?

        Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

  • Independent

    Daniel, btw, Kardosh is Kardash in Turkish, meaning brother, what is the Hungarian meaning of the word?

    • Daniel

      The Hungarian surname “Kardoshi” translates to “of sword-wielder”

  • Walacky

    “Meanwhile, for those who doubt whether Armenia has the clout to actually help Hungary and its ethnic kin abroad, the answer is yes.”

    I would be nice to know about ONE SINGLE incident when this effort in supporting Hungarians by the Armenian lobby has occurred. Just to ease the necessity for imagination.

    • Tsayt

      Kardash in Armenian literally means a stone cutter, mainly those who work on the famous Armenian Stone Crosses, -dash, or dashel, means a refined work on a slab of stone for artistic purposes.

      • Leto مؤدّب

        :D

        Walacky: What colour is lemon?
        Tsayt: The approximate distance between Earth and Sun is 150 million kms and Sun is a yellow star because its surface temperature is 6000 Celsius degrees.

        Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

  • Jack Kalpakian

    I doubt Armenians will add further heat by harming Hungary’s relations with the outside world — that sort of action is reserved for those with open agendas aimed at harming Armenia and by enlarge, it is a short list consisting of two countries. But relations will remain closed and will not be pursued until Hungary displays a willingness to talk in material terms. In the meantime, I had known of the issue of Northern Transylvania and am sympathetic to the autonomy of Hungarian speaking areas there, particularly in light of the Vatra Romania organizations that remain in places like Cluj-Napoca and in light of politicians like Tudor. I believe that a European-guaranteed arrangement within Romania would insure the Magyar character of the two judets where Hungarians are a majority. Unfortunately, one of the first acts of independent Azerbaijan was to cancel the autonomy of Karapakh and to attempt ethnic cleansing, so the option of autonomy was removed off the table by President Elichebey of Azerbaijan. Hungary is ultimately better off without an association with Aliyev, but while your relations with him are your business, realize that they will not be entirely cost free. There are other ways for Armenia to attach a price on you Hungary’s actions, including vetoing Hungarian candidates for office in organizations where both countries are members (Armenian diplomats cannot hope to win any of these seats thanks to the Turkish blockade) and also impede the appointment of the ambassadors to Hungary where a confirmation process is required. It is regretful that we will have to do this, but your government leaves us no choice.

    • Leto مؤدّب

      “until Hungary displays a willingness to talk in material terms”

      Oh, do you mean cash or what? :o

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

  • ThE_WoRd

    Does this all now mean that Kim Kardashian and Cher will stop talking with Zsazsa Gabor?

    • Jack Kalpakian

      No …

  • day

    Armenia never has any valuable relations with Hungary and never need it.No armenian helped hungarian and no hungarian to armenian….

    By the way congratulation you(hungarians) have gained a new friend in face of azerbaijan, they’ll bring a “good” update to your culture.
    “show me who is your friend I’ll say who are you”

  • Aloof

    Leto مؤدّب says: September 28, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    You dummy! Just because you want to wish it away doesn’t make it go away. Hungary and especially OV will be feeling the fallout from this for a long time.

    International politics don’t allow things like this to “just go away” just like OV’s pride and arrogance won’t allow him to do the right things to fix this.

    Hungary has the black eye and obviously a 1000 year friendships especially with a country that shares your christian value doesn’t mean dogshit to Magyars.

    Jesus, there is almost no one else left to blame or piss off the way Hungary practices foreign affairs.

    Enjoy the isolation of being considered the unfriendly arrogant in denial assholes that you are… with no friends.

    • Daniel

      “Enjoy the isolation of being considered the unfriendly arrogant in denial assholes that you are… with no friends.”

      This is why no one with half a brain has any respect for you, you little bitch. You are a Hungarophobe, and i love it because you’re so stupid that you cannot even see how carelessly you are revealing yourself.
      So, my cocksucking racist little cum-stain, tell me, why should anyone take you seriously?

  • Aloof

    @ Leto مؤدّب says: September 28, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    You dummy! Just because you want to wish it away doesn’t make it go away. Hungary and especially OV will be feeling the fallout from this for a long time.

    International politics don’t allow things like this to “just go away” just like OV’s pride and arrogance won’t allow him to do the right things to fix this.

    Hungary has the black eye and obviously a 1000 year friendships especially with a country that shares your christian value doesn’t mean dogshit to Magyars.

    Jesus, there is almost no one else left to blame or piss off the way Hungary practices foreign affairs.

    Enjoy the isolation of being considered the unfriendly arrogant in denial assholes that you are… with no friends.

    • Leto مؤدّب

      Blah. :)

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

      • Aloof

        Will the new Vidam Park have a nice revisionist theme and be called Horthyville or will OV just call it One Flag?

        Everybody gets a horsey ride and a chance at shooting bow and arrows at post commie and Armenian targets. At the seal exhibit you can club post commie effigys to “death” all day long. Being a modern and hip multicultural country, a gay Hungarian guide (from Jobbik for protection) will escort you through the peacock, flamingo and exotic birds; for the monkeys? Well that job is definitely filled.

        Fidesz will handle all the lions, tigers and bears oh my, the Garda has security and the gypsies handle sanitation (EU green compliant).
        Post commies enter at your own risk.

        Bring the family!

  • MagyarFiu

    I am Hungarian and I am ashamed of the actions of the current Hungarian Primeminister regarding this action and I am not a leftist.
    Hungarian nationalists should realise that this action smears Hungary’s otherwise good name… Daniel/Leto why do you have to look at this only from a materialistic viewpoint such as … well why should we care after all what could Armenia do for us ?
    Its bigger than that, Hungary and Armenia have a good historical relationship … there have been many prominent Hungarians of Armenian background and Hungarian is a Christian country … the Hungarian Turkists are a dangerous bunch… its not important that there were some Turkic elements in early Hungarian ethnogenesis the importance is we stuck with our Magyar language and Magyar identity … no one should call us Mongols or Turks … as Hungarians were a dynamic and forward looking people we should remain faithfull to our thousand year plus history of being a Christian nation and not getting involved with villaneous eastern Islamic nations..
    and Gangsters like Aliyev.
    I know some Armenians have taken this too far in there negativity aginst Hungary but imagine if a hate filled Romanian hacked to death a sleeping Hungarian national whilst both were in Armenia then later Armenian Gov despite Hungary’s pleas not to would release the Romanian to a fascist Gov like old Ceasescu’s and Romania would pardon the guy and make him a national hero for being a Magyar killer… cmon Magyars i think we would feel the same way.
    Maybe it wasnt entirely Orbans fault but it was a stupid risky move that always had the possible consequences that have now become reality.

    • Leto مؤدّب

      “Daniel/Leto why do you have to look at this only from a materialistic viewpoint such as ”

      You’re up the wrong valley, pal. :D Read your Armenian friend’s post at September 28, 2012 at 1:43 am ..

      “well why should we care after all what could Armenia do for us ?”

      Well, why should Hungary “display a willingness to talk in material terms” with Armenia which is so deeply offended that only material terms could placate them like Mr. Kalpakian suggested? :)

      There have been already various Armenian suggestions on this site: a Grippen fighter, recognition of the WWI mass killings as genocide, etc. Which one why do you think is the most appropriate to ease the spiritual pain of Armenians because of the Safarov case? ;)

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

      • Leto مؤدّب

        Oh, found it. It was this deeply Mr. Kalpakian again who wanted to heal his deep emotional wounds like this: :D

        “If relations matter at all to your country, do not come at us with empty hands … some Grippen Fighter aircraft, Meds Yeghern recognition, an apology for being part of the Central Powers in WWI and being on the side of those murdering our folks, etc”

        :D

        Now I begin to understand why Armenians are said to be “kalmárlelkű”. Not sure what the best English translation would be (any native English speaker out there, please help!)

        kalmár = merchant, an archaic Hungarian word used only in a very pejorative meaning like shrewd, mean, etc. Think of Shylock from Merchant of Venice..

        lélek = soul

        kalmárlelkű = someone extremely utilitarian and liable to measuring anything like love, friendship, etc. in material goods

        Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

        • Leto مؤدّب

          deeply offended Mr. Kalpakian

    • Leto مؤدّب

      “I know some Armenians have taken this too far in there negativity aginst Hungary”

      Yes, they have indeed. Actually quite a lot of them.
      But at least your analogy isn’t bad.

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

  • MagyarFiu

    I agree with many of your comments here Aloof, are you Hungarian ?
    Anyway I am Magyar and I also have many Armenian friends and I find this situation really regrettable and unfortunate that our two nations with 1000 years of good history.
    I find Orbans actions a insult to that history.

    • Leto مؤدّب

      No, he’s only a Yankee moron. The reason you agree with him because you’re a postcommie bastard.

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

    • Aloof

      @MagyarFiu says: September 28, 2012 at 3:55 pm

      What’s up fiu? Ignore the jerk off(s) named Leto, they have several issue and are cross eyed Fidesz flunkies. They’ll even deny that either one is Leto.

      Yes I’m a Hungarian but was born in the US. I spent the last 18 years in Hungary, have a Hungarian wife, ran a very successful business in Hungary for 17 years and we raised our Hungarian daughter in Hungary. I just moved back to the US and lovin’ it.

      We still have a residence in Budapest and a large Hungarian family so we’ll be back often. We love Hungary just like every other Hungarian does. We just love her differently and sincerely than the way Fidesz treats her.
      I absolutely agree and also find Orbans actions a insult to that history.

      • Leto مؤدّب

        “I just moved back to the US and lovin’ it.”

        Me, too. :D
        I’d love it more though if you just enjoy the hurricanes instead of posting all this drivel here.

        Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

        • Aloof

          Good thing nobody gives a shit what you think because you don’t think. You just organ grind Fidesz puke and drivel like a pavlov dog everyday. It’s kind of sub human.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            “Good thing nobody gives a shit what you think”

            You only wish that it were so, Yankee moron. :)

            Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • Daniel

            @Aloof
            haha what a crock of shit. You couldn’t find any friends in Hungary? aww. No suprise there. I mean you are so phony and without character, that you even bore the keyboard when you type on it. Son. You need start focusing more on your backyard. Because if you think Hungary is in deeper shit than the States, then you are exactly as demented as you portray yourself.

  • Tsayt

    Not only an idiot, but a racist idiot, Leto. You must be one miserably unhappy soul. I wish you happiness!

    • Leto مؤدّب

      So this is all you could say about your lie. It’s really not much.
      Why and how am I racist, Armenian liar? ;) Come on, tell me… I’m all ears.

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

  • Tsayt

    Hey idiot, weren’t you the one calling Armenians “kalmárlelkű” s ? or are you in an advance stage of Alzheimer’s….

    Now it makes perfectly clear why you choose the moniker مؤدّب, “the learned one” or “polite”, in Arabic, for you are neither of them, but pretending to be one. But then everyone knows you’re a schyzo, maybe your other selves, Paul, Daniel, etc…would agree with me. :-) :-) :-)

    How much more pathetic can you be :-)

    • Leto مؤدّب

      @Armenian liar:

      Yes, that word describes the mentality of Mr. Kalpakian really well. And he hasn’t been the first Armenian on this site who hinted at “talking in material terms” in order to heal your deep spiritual wounds you obtained in the Safarov-case. :)
      I still don’t quite understand though why I would be a racist. Do you Armenians consider yourself a race? :o

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

      • Tsayt

        Idiot, it seems there are many things you don’t understand. You can’t even comprehend Mr. Kalpakian when he talks about “material terms”, your tiny racist brian gets overloaded too quickly….you pathetic Hungarian tetrapod!

        • Leto مؤدّب

          How else would you interpret “material terms”? ;)
          BTW, there isn’t really need to interpret this. Here’s that quote again from Mr. Kalpakian:

          If relations matter at all to your country, do not come at us with empty hands … some Grippen Fighter aircraft, Meds Yeghern recognition, an apology for being part of the Central Powers in WWI and being on the side of those murdering our folks, etc”

          Yes, “kalmárlelkület” is the perfect word here. The only problem is I still don’t know how you could describe best this kind of mentality in English. Could any native speaker of English try to help me with this?

          Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • Tsayt

            It is very simple, “material terms” means: Don’t try to shower us with empty words, such as Foreign Minister Janos Martony’s condescending remarks about how Armenia is a friendly Christian nation, and that the Safarov transfer had nothing to do with insulting Armenia…and such BS! Instead of empty, patronizing words tells us what the Hu. government is going todo about it? Therefore my little nationalist little all-knowing friend, “material terms” means “concrete action”, and keep the verbal BS in Budapest, where it belongs.

            And finally here is my best definition to the word “kalmárlelkület” in English:

            “kalmárlelkület”= Hungarian government led by Orban/Martony duo who would sell their souls to get Azeri blood money.

            you have my permission to use this definition anywhere you want.

          • Armenian

            We would like for Hungary to give us the money they received from Aliyev. Then we can be friends again.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            No, “material terms” in fact means what Mr. Kalpakian wrote, for example, “some Grippen Fighter aircraft”.

            Unfortunately your definition of “kalmárlelkület” in English is very wrong. FYI, it means a mentality like when you are (allegedly) very upset morally at something and you want others to give you something (for example “some Grippen Fighter aircraft”) in order to heal your spiritual wounds.
            The only question here is how widespread this mentality among you, Armenians. I’m under the impression that it’s not uncommon.

            Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            @Armenian:
            (I wonder if you are truly Armenian though.)

            Unfortunately we’re unable to give you the money we’ve received from Aliyev. Sorry we won’t be friends again then.

            Hope you won’t mind if I’d apply the term “kalmárlelkű” for you as well because it fits you so well, too.

            Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • Tsayt

            I see that the Hungarian BS is not confined to the government only! Not surprised at your answer at all, for an Idiot remains an idiot no matter what.

            It is very rich of Hungarians to preach morality in the face of a colossal act of moral bankruptcy by Hungary which was condemned by the whole world (except the Turkic and the Islamic). Hungarians who tolerate such morally bankrupt act, as to let loose a racist killer of an innocent man, knowing fully that he’s going to be let loose, says something Hungarians their moral standing.

            How sad and pitiful for such a nation.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            Hey Tsayt,

            What is your proposal for those “material term” so that we should be “friends again”? Your compatriots have already suggested “some Grippen fighters” and money…
            Would you be satisfied with our giving you MOL and OTP shares in order to heal your deep spiritual wounds caused by Hungary in the Safarov-case? Name the amount, please, because you might be offended more by a too low compensation offer.

            Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • Tsayt

            Are all Hungarians obtuse like you? more likely a personal foible that you suffer from…

            You are making a continuous racist remarks about Armenians, you have boxed yourself into a corner, making a total fool out of yourself, very unbecoming I must say.

            Leto, get a life, or save whatever is left of it, will you?

          • ü

            How about this, the Armenian Lobby in America pulls some strings, gives us back 1941 borders, and then we can talk about compensation about the whole affair.

            What do you say?

          • Leto مؤدّب

            @Tsayt:

            Another rhetorical question: Are all Armenians dumb asses like you and “kalmárlelkű” like Kalpakian?
            However I also answer my own question: No, not all of them since there’s already a counter-example (Jay).

            Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • Tsayt

            To ü:

            What did Armenian ever do to Hungary for them to be “indebted” to you. Armenians owe Hungary nothing, especially not after the open hostility that your government showed Armenia? why this outrageous behaviour on your part? Orban openly has admitted that he had a very good idea that the killer was going to be pardoned “in a month”, he was “disappointed” that it was done right away. He showed wilful disregard to any notion of decency, and showed total disrespect to Armenians. And now you are asking what Armenians can do for you? No human values left in you????

            How about instead you, Hungarians, pulling some long-lost Uralic connections and make Turkey give Armenians back the 9/10ths of the Armenian homeland they stole by committing genocide, you do that and we’ll think about your lost borders.

  • Jack Kalpakian

    Actually Leto’s Arabic name means someone who disciplines, i.e. someone who whips others. The name is as arrogant and empty as his discourse. I will not respond to the substance of anything he wrote, because he is a rude troll. That is all.

    • Magyar

      Are you going to respond to me?
      Look, what goes between you and Azerbajan is none of our business.

      Armenia did far worse with their terrorists. So what do you want for us?

      I will be honest, when Armenia broke off relations with us, I laughed, and then I stopped giving a shit, and I still dont give a shit.
      Go on, throw your tantrum, you will eventually come crawling back, if not, no big deal!

    • Leto مؤدّب

      Correct, it also means that, “chastiser”. (Besides “the learned one”, “educated”, and “polite”, “urbane” indeed)
      No wonder you don’t want to comment on “the substance” since truth may hit nerves and you could be paralysed.

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

  • Jay

    Had the victim been an American citizen, you can mark my word, that Azeri cockroach, would have been extradited to the United States, spending the remaining of his life behind the slammer getting his butt ‘slammed’.

    • Leto مؤدّب

      FYI, criminals are extradited to their home countries, not to the home country of their victims. So he wouldn’t have been extradited to the United States if he had hacked an an American citizen to death in Hungary.

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

  • Jay

    That’s what you think. You would say just about anything to justify your argument. Can you say, Manuel Noriega, out loud? Do some research and you shall find out how many criminals are being extradited into the U.S. annually. Having said that, I am not mad at the Hungarian people or the government for that matter. Armenia and Hungary, will kiss and make up eventually, our friendship and brotherhood goes back clear 7th century. The kind and naive government of Hungary simply fell into the morally corrupt, Azeri LIE trap. However, the Hungarian government should have taken the right step by shipping that coward axe-murderer to Armenia to finish up his term .

    • Leto مؤدّب

      Criminals are extradited to their home countries, not to the home country of their victims. Is this something perhaps too complicated for you to understand?
      The Hungarian government could extradite the axe killer only to one country and that’s his home country, Azeribaijan. There was no way he could have been extradited to Armenia, that’s not how international law and practice works.
      The Hungarian government asked and received an official statement from Azeribaijan that Safarov will serve his sentence. It’s the responsibility of the Azeri government that they pardoned, rewarded and celebrated Safarov as a hero instead.

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

  • Jay

    My mistake, I meant to say ‘sent or shipped’ and not extradite. Speaking of responsibility, my take on this entire scenario is the following: NATO invites a couple of citizens from Armenia and a couple of citizens from Azerbaijan, to Budapest, Hungary, to participate in the NATO sponsored English language training program. During the course of this program, NATO and the government of Hungary, fail to provide security for both, Armenian and Azeri citizens, despite the fact that , NATO and Budapest, were fully aware of the anymosity which existed between the two Caucusian countries. As if failing to provide security was not bad enough , NATO and the host nation, placed both citizens under the same roof. Stupidity at its best. NATO, the real culprit here, should be held responsible, for the death of the Armenian citizen, and compensate the family of the victim. I certainly hope the Armenian government is taking note in regards to NATO’s arrogant attitute towards the mess they have created.

    • Leto مؤدّب

      @Jay:
      Well, this is an interesting angle. The organizers (the Hungarian government at the time and NATO) might be put to blame perhaps… but really only to a limited extent. The real blame is on the killer.
      Similarly, the current Hungarian government might be blamed perhaps … but really only to a limited extent. It’s the Azeri government which is to be blamed because the axe-killer was pardoned, rewarded and celebrated as a hero.

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

      • REVENGE

        What do you expect of the bastard son of GYP$I€ and a J&W?

        • Leto مؤدّب

          And who would be that person born into “such a henious crime”? :)

          Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

    • Curious George

      @Jay – it is rubbish to blame NATO. If anything, it is the Azeri government (& the soldier) who are responsible, and should be held accountable. If you’re part of a military alliance, then you respect that, and send country representatives who can work within that framework. You don’t pick a mentally disturbed or psychologically traumatized soldier to represent your country.
      The fact that Safarov never voiced any displeasure, protests or brought up the issue with his superiors, or the organizers of the course about the Armenian officer’s alleged behavior speaks volumes that he was unsuitable right from the start. If he was the best officer they had, then the Azeri military is a waste of space.

      • Leto مؤدّب

        Hm… well, yes, actually this is better put concerning the question of blame back at the time of the crime.

        Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

  • Danny

    The PanArmenian.net site is dissing Orban again. They call him the son of a gypsiℯ and J℮w.

    clevelandmagyar.org/magyar_news_hungarian.php
    read article: Non-existent Hungarian economy – PanARMENIAN.Net
    hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=45225

    • Orban Is God

      Oh my Goodness! These are the worst lies ever told since the beginning of time.

      Hungary should cut all diplomatic ties with Armenia for these bloody insults and aggression against the Hungarian people.

      Always Remember: Orban is God and We’re Not

    • Aloof

      Good! The little lying POS that has tarnished Hungary’s honor deserves everything he gets. The consequences for him are FAR reacing you dumb ass. You can elect that little POS as much as you want, it will only extend Hungary’s misery for as long as he’s there. He’s pretty much finished outside the kingdom.

      • Leto مؤدّب

        So you think he deserves to be called “a son of a Gyps*y and J*w”. :D :D :D

        The consequences for you is that you can be provenly called a racist dumb ass, similarly to the author of PanArmenian.net.

        Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

    • Dori

      Madness!

      • Zicco

        Yes, Hungary is madness.
        Good article BTW, it shows how hopeless and crazy Hungary has become. The writer should not have put the last lines about Orban, because his origins or wife have nothing to do with Hungary’s economic failures.

  • MagyarFiu

    @ JAY

    I am pleased to see you have a positive outlook for the future regarding our two countries, I am Hungarian and I consider Armenians our brothers we have always a good historical relationship and we never harmed each other in the past, this situation is some kind of “big stuff up” with Hungarian Gov but Leto made a reasonable point when he said it was Hun Gov at blame to an extent but largely the main fault of course is with the Azeri’s.
    I am not pleased that many Hungarians and Armenians “mostly on the net” are starting to get hostile with one another, its understandable Armenians are annoyed with Hun gov if a similair situation happened in reverse Hungarians would act similiarly I believe but some Armenians have gone too far with there negativity and comments I suppose this type of thing happens in these situations and also expectedly some Hungarian retaliation going too far too but again to be expected.
    I think Leto can be even a reasonable guy towards Armenians too but he probably not dealing well with some negativity comments.
    I like Armenians I dont consider them at all enemies of Hungary and I sincerely hope both our countries will make ammends in the best way soon .

    • Leto مؤدّب

      How do you “deal well” with the flood of insane anti-Hungarian hate a lot of posts and articles, written by Armenians, emanate on this site and elsewhere on the net?
      I felt sympathy towards Armenians a month ago. Now I don’t.

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

      • Leto مؤدّب

        @MagyarFiu:

        For example just check out the comments on any video related to Hungary or Hungarians these days on YouTube.

        How about the amount and intensity of Armenian anti-Hungarian hatred exhibited in comments on this tourism promotion video?
        -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0wkokaybWA

        Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

  • Magyar

    ” we never harmed each other in the past”
    We never harmed Nigeria either lol.

    Also, in what way are Armenians our brothers?

    • Leto مؤدّب

      Unlike with Nigeria, Hungary and Hungarians have had a lot of historical links to Armenia and Armenians and these are mostly positive ones.

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

      • REVENGE

        Hungarians are the Scum of the Earth, worshiping mass murderers like Horthy, Stalin, Hitler and Ataturk.

        • Leto مؤدّب

          Both Horthy and Atatürk deserve honourable mention by their countries which they served well and because they helped them to recuperate after their huge losses in WWI. General Atatürk actually performed a miracle by annulling the Treaty of Sevres.

          Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

        • Magyar

          Leto, things change. Armenia is nowhere near the friend Poland is.

          @REVENGE
          Why would we worship Stalin?

          -http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/f33/1c1/f331c1d9-312e-4524-b099-09be040bc690

          -http://www.1956.pl/gallery/1956/zdjecia/35.jpg

          -http://www.onthisdeity.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/1956-10-31_Stalin_Statue_Pulled_Down_Hungary.jpg

          • Tada

            You are right, Hungarians are all cool guys – as long as you can get wasted on palinka, wave some flags and molest some foreigners.

            - thecontrarianhungarian.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/gc3a1rda-hc591sc3b6k-tere-08252012.png

            - media.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/full-width/images/2012/06/blogs/eastern-approaches/20120623_eup503.jpg

            hdnux.com/photos/13/62/30/3089953/3/628×471.jpg

  • MagyarFiu

    @Magyar
    Ditto to what Leto said we have mostly positive links to Armenians in the past.
    Armenians in Hungary even assisted with some funding Hungarians in 1848 Hapsburg revolt.
    Things dont have to change for the worse if time can heal this situation which I believe it can.
    @Leto
    I understand that Leto but there are always radical and ignorant voices in any nation … the ones you mention do not represent all Armenians I have seen many positive comments from Armenians also … saying they are upset with Gov but not Hungarian people who they consider there brothers etc.
    I believe there have been some radical Armenian voices going too far but I wouldnt be suprised if there are many Azerbajani trolls impersonating Armenians to try and increase hostilities between our countries there was even a facebook site by Azeri’s \Thanking Hungary\…how pathetic.

  • Magyar

    Turks also helped in 1848 and afterwards.
    Also nowadays, Turkey could help us far more.

  • Jay

    MagyarFiu,

    Only common sense dictates not to allow a handfull of ‘Internet Rambo’s', whom hurling insults at each other from both sides, to ruin our bond. All in due time our poliTRICKcians, will resolve their dispute and be back in business as usual. I stand in solidarity with my Hungarian brothers and sisters in good times or bad. Cheers.

    • Leto مؤدّب

      On my part, amen to that.

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

  • Pipo

    Read the whole article. The point of the writer is not to call Orban “a son of a Gyps*y and J*w”; not sure what this sentence does in the text (looks like she started to do some research about Orban and got bored really quickly).

    “Anyway, writing about Orbán is dull and not interesting. The question is, whether Aliyev’s money will save the Hungarian economy? And a second one – did Azerbaijan really pay, or just teased it with a carrot?”

    • Leto مؤدّب

      Oh, you’re not sure… :D
      Luckily it’s obvious for anybody else “what that sentence does in the text”.

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

      • REVENGE

        We like “Gyps*y and J*w” people as we like all other people on this planet, but unfortunately this Orban seems to be a dangerous mutant without ethics or morals.

        • Leto مؤدّب

          The Leader is a mutant indeed, a mutant between MAN and GOD, he is the new Jesus.

          Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • Tada

            You are crazy. You really are.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            At least you seem to have learnt to apply the correct ending, you rotten postcommie (or Rumanian) post-faker bastard.

            Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

  • Anonymous

    -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv5jLsLoYcE

    Replace Kazakhstan with Hungary, and you get the typical Hungarian mentality.

    • Zoltan

      Except that the Potassium output of Hungary is rather poor.

      Although there’s 1 company in Bacs-Kiskun that delivers “German quality wrapped Potassium metabisulphite” >
      ec21.com/product-details/Potassium-Metabisulphite-10g-Kaliumdisulfit-10g–5016620.html

      • Anonymous

        Its not about potassium, but about the mentality of people like Leto and Magyar.

  • Gül Baba

    Indeed! We are on your side in this, let’s unite. Let’s revive the spirit of Ismail Pasha (György Kmety).

  • Tarantino

    The Leader is so used that people like Leto suck his dick and kiss his ass all day, that his brain stopped functioning a long time ago.

    The sounds that you can hear coming from Orban’s mouth nowadays are very intoxicating, just washing over you like Petőfi having sex with a bottle of home-made Palinka.

    Ceterum censeo Viktator delendum est.

  • RF

    armenian gypsy squeaky wheel gets the grease again)

  • NN

    armenian gypsy squeaky wheel gets the grease again)

  • MagyarFiu

    @Jay I agree.

    @Magyar Why should we get involved with Islamic nations like Turkey and Azerbaijan, we are a christian people.

    I dont blame the half Magyar Sarkozy for not letting the Turks into Europe, look at what they are doing to Germany.
    I met 1 or 2 Hungarian Muslim Turanists in my oppinion they have crazy ideas and I am thankful they are in a complete minority.
    I am sorry if you are a Muslim but Islam is a cancer for Europe we dont want it or need it.

    • …Magyar

      Sarkozy is not half Magyar, but he is half J@wish.

      And so what if we are Christian people? Are you some kind of religious racist? Open your eyes, look at Europe, look at the future, and make decent judgement.

      I used to hate on Muslims like you, but countries like Iran and Turkey are good potential allies.

  • MagyarFiu

    An interesting article from a book called
    ” 1000 YEARS OF HISTORY: THE ARMENIANS OF HUNGARY ”

    scroll down the page a bit to see article …

    http://www.agbu.org/publications//article.asp?A_ID=327

    “As in peacetime, the Armenians have also played an active role at times of war and foreign invasions.

    In 1686, an Armenian tailor by the name of Kapriel Tokhatetsi, is said to have helped the local Hungarian authorities in Buda, which is present-day Budapest, in their war of liberation against the Ottoman Turks.

    According to historical records, Tokhatetsi not only provided the armies fighting the Turks with vital military information, “but, at the appropriate time, blew up the Turkish military depot of the city”.

    “This ordinary Armenian has done a lot for the liberation of Buda from Turkish rule,” one historian has said.

    It was during the same war against the Ottoman Turks, that Hungary’s well-established Armenian minority donated 100,000 Forints to the war effort and later another 15,000 Forints to repair damage caused by the fighting.

    Later, during financial crises, the community also donated large sums of money to the central government as a “national debt to their adopted country.”

    Here, historians note a major financial donation in the 1700′s by the Armenians of Szamosújvár towards the establishment of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences.

    Most prominent, however, was the role the Armenians played in the 1848-49 Hungarian War of Independence against Austrian rule.

    In this historical battle, hundreds of Armenian officers and enlisted men were killed in the war effort which was led by 13 top generals, including three Hungarians of Armenian origin-;Ernest (Erno) Kiss (Bzdikian), Vilmos Lazar (Ghazarian) and Janos Czetz (Tzetzian).”

    • …Magyar

      Hungary is in such a position, that we have little friends in Europe, the best ideology to solve that is Turanism, but its a shame that interferes with Armenia.

      I hate the position we are in, but such is life.

      • Tsayt

        Just to give you an idea Magyar, to Armenians the word “Turan”, or “Turanism” is akin to the word “Nazi”, or ‘Nazism”. I know the difference between the two, you can argue that Nazi is a name of a party whereas Turan signifies a nation. Unfortunately the equation between the idea of Turanism and Fascism was made by none other than the nationalist Turkish ideologues in the late 19th century, such as the infamous “Turkish Goebbels” a certain Ziya Gökalp. This was the mechanism that was used to demonize the Armenian native citizens of the Ottpman Empire, which ultimately led to the Genocide of 1915.

        Next time you talk about Turan, be aware of this fact.

        • Magyar

          Well, I am sorry to hear that, but I still support ‘opening to the East’, sorry.

          • Tsayt

            How many, what % of Hungarians, share your view on this subject, just curious. Is this an issue that’s discussed in Hungary? About opening to the Turkish world?

          • Magyar

            Quite a lot, % wise, I don’t know.

            But consider this, a lot of people go to Kurultaj.
            Kurultaj delegates met up with Fidesz in the Hungarian parliament.
            Jobbik is a Turanist party.

            There was even a Turanian shaman in the parliament that blessed the Holy Crown.

            As you can see, this is not some fringe ideology.

            Turanism was also popular during WW2

            “While some Hungarian Turanists went as far as to argue they were racially healthier than and superior to other Europeans (including Germans, who were already corrupted by J*daism), others felt more modestly, that as Turanians living in Europe, they might provide an important bridge between East and West and thus play a role in world politics out of proportion of their numbers or the size of their country. This geopolitical argument was taken to absurd extremes by Ferenc Szálasi, head of the Arrow Cross-Hungarist movement, who believed that, owing to their unique historical and geographical position, Hungarians might play a role equal to, or even more important than, Germany in building the new European order, while Szálasi’s own charisma might eventually help him supersede Hitler as leader of the international movement.”

          • Leto مؤدّب

            @Tsayt:

            Rubbish. This “Turanism”-mania belongs to a particular, limited subculture and “Magyar” is a fan.

            BTW, the surname of his great-grandfather of Ferenc Szálasi was Saloshyan. ;)

            -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferenc_Sz%C3%A1lasi

            Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • Magyar

            Actually, the Hun theory is more popular than you think, many reject the Finno-Ugric theory.
            Turanism is just a small step from there.

            And “limited”? Limited my ass, it is not just Hungarista, and I am not Hungarista.

            Even your beloved PM declared that we are half Asian.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            That’s rather far from “Turanism”. :D

            Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • Magyar

            In your own, ignorant opinion.

          • Californicus

            @magyar It’s really sad that you’d hijack the generous healing and non-political intent by the shaman from Tuva for your ideology by calling him a “Turanian” shaman.

    • Magyar

      Look Armenian, I am very thankful for your contributions to Hungary.

      I was neutral to Armenians, but after their attacks against Hungary my opinion of then went down a bit, but can sort of understand your anger.

      Like I said, Hungary is in a shitty situation, which is unfortunate.

      The opening to the East is necessary for economic, political and military reasons, especially given the likely chance of Hungary being sanctioned, and even the still possible event of Hungary being kicked out of the EU.

      The release of the prisoner was not nice or moral, but it was legal, and a necessary attempt to try to keep the IMF at bay.

      So sorry Armenia, but as you know, the world we live in is full of shit, and it is a complex situation

      My question is, how are Iranian Armenian relations?

      • Tsayt

        Magyar you have proven to be too fickle.

        So you changed your mind after the “attack of Armenians on Hungary” ?? what did you expect a love affair. Hungary deserved the response Armenia gave. It was not even enough, Hungary’s name should be dragged into the mud. Armenia, officially did not even do enough.

        You might not have a national pride, but Armenians do.

        • Leto مؤدّب

          We’re still weeping because Armenia cut the diplomatic relations with Hungary. :D

          You’re doing a good job at making your country and nation more and more obnoxious.
          In the meantime the European Parliament relieved Hungary of any responsibility and blames Azerbaijan only:
          -http://news.am/eng/news/120931.html

          Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • Tsayt

            If you were the weeping type your government would not have insulted the Armenian nation in the manner it did in the first place. But having said that, the time will come for Hungary to officially apologize to Armenia for the insulting blunder it committed.

            Hey, if defending the honour of one’s national dignity against such repugnant betrayal of trust you call being obnoxious, then I am proud to be called that by two-bit Hungarian tetrapods :-) :-) like you.

  • Viking

    …Magyar says:
    October 4, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Sarkozy is not half Magyar, but he is half J@wish.

    Well, according to ‘maygar’s’ own definition of Szegedi (The “Jobbik” J*w), who was a full J*w, then his Grand-Mother was a J*w, making his Mother a J*w, making Szegedi a J*w, Sarkozy is now “half J@wish”

    How?

    Sarkozy is the son of Pál István Ernő Sárközy de Nagy-Bócsa a Hungarian aristocrat, and Andrée Jeanne “Dadu” Mallah (b. Paris, 12 October 1925), whose Greek J*wish father converted to Catholicism to marry her French Catholic mother (wiki)

    So, according to ‘maygar’ Sarkozy cannot be J*wish, then there are no J*ws on the maternal side, so Sarkozy was not even a half-J*w, using the same logic that made Szegedi a Full-J*w

    But he had an Hungarian Father, even a blue-blooded one, so how come he is not more Hungarian than that Slovak import ‘maygar’, who has Slav red blood running in his veins, while Sarkozy has blue Hungarian blood in his
    And every one knows that Blue Blood beats red blood, that is the simple truth…

  • Jay

    @ MagyarFiu, Interesting indeed. THNX.

  • fenyofacska

    And a centaur is half horse-half man. A mule is half donkey half horse. What happens when a centaur marries a mule? I am getting dizzy.

  • Karpatok

    When a centaur marries a mule they produce an ass.

    • fenyofacska

      no. they are infertile.

  • Observer

    Ancient Huns came to Europe from Asia, that’s an historical fact. But that was long time ago. After that Huns mixed with Europeans, and later Saint Stephen fixed European orientation of Hungary.
    Those who currently propagate Turanism are not direct descendants of ancient Huns (although they claim they are), but rather the remnants of later Turkish/Ottoman occupation. They are also provocators who are trying to harm good relations between Hungarians and Armenians.
    Watch out for them!

    • Magyar

      “Those who currently propagate Turanism are not direct descendants of ancient Huns (although they claim they are), but rather the remnants of later Turkish/Ottoman occupation. They are also provocators who are trying to harm good relations between Hungarians and Armenians.
      Watch out for them!”

      How stupid are you?

      • Magyar

        Answer: Incredibly stupid.

    • Californicus

      Wrong! Huns mixed with “Europeans” BEFORE they came to Europe. Avars increased the incidence of Europid-Mongoloid mixture in the population. European Huns are virtually identical with “Europeans”, which is why it is so hard to tell whether the grave belongs to a Hun or a Goth.

    • Freedom1

      Mixed with Europeans? You assume they had to mix and that many Europeans did not come from Asia originally. Bulgarians and Hungarians both came from central Asia, so did Slavs and Finns, but one must remember that 1,000 0r 2,000 years ago central Asia was home of many Europeans, the other groups arrived or grew in numbers only after the mongols pushed West.

      You have some Hungarians claiming to be Asian just because ancestors came from central Asia, but they don’t realize that those people in Kazakhstan are related to people in Mongolia and not Huns.

      • Californicus

        The Hungarians who claim they came from Asia because some Kazakh tribe has some genetic relation don’t have any real clue about how science works. Don’t they realize that that specific Kazakh tribe migrated to their present-day location from Europe and then mixed with Asians?

  • Daniel

    What do Turks and Hungarians have in common?
    Well, racially nothing. Hungarians are ancient carriers of the R1a haplogroup. They are native Europeans. Turks, on the other hand, are asians. There is a cultural connection, however, and that is what Turanism should stress.
    We Hungarians are aligning ourselves with the Turks because Aryans (modern Europeans) have caused nothing but strife for us. Its quite simple really. We need allies, and until the Europeans wake up and come together and have an open dialogue about Trianon and the virtual elimination of my country, Hungarians are going to be seeking their alliances in the East.

    • Magyar

      Well done Daniel, you summed it up perfectly.

      Also, Turanism is mainly about the Cultural connection.

      However, sometimes there is a racial connection too, like us sharing a specific gene with the Madjar people of Kazakstan, or Orbán saying we are half Asians.

  • MagyarFiu

    @Magyar and Daniel … “Turanism is about Cultural connection ?” what cultural connection and with who, sorry but in my oppinion this whole Turanism thing is mostly propaganda and romantic crap.

    Firstly who do u think we can compare ourselves with culturally in modern times ? Turks of Turkey are themselves genetically predominantly not Turkic they are genetically a cocktail of mostly the remnants of Anatollian peoples such as … Greeks,Assyrians,Kurds,Armenians, with smatterings of Persians, Arabs, Circassians, Albanians, Bosnians and Serbs. Culturally Turks adopted an Arabesque and Islamic culture when they lived in the middleeast prior to invading and conquering Anatollia… there is very little old original Turkic culture in Turkey.
    Azerbajani’s are mostly a Turkicised formerly Iranian people.
    Like it or not Hungary is predominantly a central European culture, the Balkans have more in common with the culture and cuisine of Turkey.
    If the old Magyar’s were Turkic or Turkists/Turanists why did they not continue to be so or make alliances with Turkic peoples in those times but rather they were dynamic and forward looking and found their destiny in Europe, its ridiculous for Hungarians to deny they are a European nation its not important that we had some Eastern elements those are sooo far and distant that its just a romantic propaganda to look only there for a sense of identity in them.
    Hungarian genes are and have been now for a long time predominantly European.
    Some of us Hungarians are a bit funny we get annoyed with Europe because they didnt respect us for being “defenders of Europe” and gave us Trianon so then we run to the East
    I think these Hungarians have short memories after all we fought against many Eastern peoples in the past we didnt keep alliances … fought against Turkic Khazars…Pechenegs… Bulgars… Ottoman Turks, for the Turanists /Turkists what makes you think in the end this time will be any different, Hungarians have a habit of backing the wrong folks I hope they are not continuing with these bad habits.

    • …justasking

      @MagyarFiu,

      Well I, a Magyar lány, enjoyed and agree with your post…especially, the last 2 paragraphs.

  • SCIENCE

    DNA tests did not support the eastern origin of present-day Hungarians. Hungarian Turanism is not supported by academic historians of the world. All Encyclopedias, like English Britannica German Brockhaus French Larousse , E. Americana Encarta Encyclopedia all did not support it, and called as pseudo science. The Human Genome project (population genetics) also don’t support that. Slavic people and the Balkan people have average higher ratio of non-European haplogroup markers than Hungarians. There are only less educated worker class people in Hungary who support it. Only the self-appointed so-called “magician historians” and their fantasy esoteric books (Táltos-tudósok) teach turanism in Hungary. But this self-appointed “scholars” have never went to university, they remained proletars by the means of education. It is a pseudo science.

    • Californicus

      “DNA tests did not support the eastern origin of present-day Hungarians.”

      Only a fool would interpret the results of scientific studies proving that preset-day Hungarians were not helicoptered in en masse from eastwards as if more than 1000 years of sex didn’t matter.

  • Magyar

    @ \Science\, you are a moron.

    @MagyarFiu, Eurocentric and Western focused integration and foreign policy will be the death of Hungary.
    Next time you are at a voting booth, vote DK and MSZP, and your goals might be achieved.

    • Observer

      What happens when someone’s mother is Hungarian and father is Turk? Then idiots like you are born, the remnants of Turks, and claim they have as well cultural as genetic links with the Turks and propagate Turanism in Hungary.

      • Magyar

        Lol, I am not a Turk, parents are Hungarians.

        A lot of Turanists are not Turks, like that Armenian Szálasi-Saloshyan.

        You do not have a clue about what you are talking about.

        • Observer

          “… I am not a Turk, parents are Hungarians”
          Then you are even more stupid than I thought. Only stupid like you can think that Turanism is the answer to the problems in Hungary.
          Szálasi-Saloshyan was not a true Armenian, an Armenian can never be a Turanist. He was an Armenian maybe only for 10%. But above all he was a populist, that manipulated with stupid masses like you.

          • Magyar

            Says the mocskos zs*dó

          • Magyar

            FYI, Turanism was around much earlier than the Arrow Cross, in fact, it has always been with us, just buried deep down, covered by lies and deceit.

            Due to our fighting ability, the West used us to defend them, to be a shield.

            But no more brothers war! No more lies!

            You are either some sort of J@w or a Eurorat (rat is on purpose), or just your typical MSZP commie EU and Nato faggot. So go to hell.

          • Californicus

            Magyar is right. Turanism was around much earlier. Yet Magyar is wrong about it being covered by lies and deceit. It, like the Arrow Cross, was abandoned because only stupid people are still stuck in outdated 19th century Romanticism unfit for the 21st century.

        • Tsayt

          “like that Armenian Szálasi-Saloshyan”.

          To say Szálasi is Armenian is to say President Obama’s future grandchildren of his children will be considered as being Kenians.

          This is as idiotic as saying “not all Turanists are Turkic”. Turan means the national group that comprises all Turkic tribes. Those who advocate Turan advocate belonging to the unity of some or all Turkic tribes.

          Perhaps you should read up on this issue more…

          • Californicus

            Not all Turanists are Turkic. Turanism is not Pan-Turkism and never has been.

          • Tsayt

            @Californicus,

            Here we are discussion “Turan” in a very specific context of Armenian-Turkish/Azeri issues. I realize that Turan in grander sence of Altaic-Uralic context can have non-Turkic elements but that is far from what I am trying to convey.

            In the late 19th century “Turanism” was the ideology of Turkish ultra-nationalists, (read: those who reject any group that was not of Turkic origin). Today the same ideology is espoused in Turkey by the Turkish Nationalist Movement Party (MHP), whose members include the racist Grey Wolves. For all intents and purposes Turan = Turkic, in a worse racist sense.

            After a desecration of a Jewish cemetery or a Synagogue with swastika signs, go tell your Jewish community that “oh no, this is not a Nazi symbol it is an old sanskrit symbolism that the Hindus and the Indians use, don’t be alarmed”.

            Go and tell them that, see what they’d tell you in response to your technically correct answer.

  • Gabriel

    I think that one thing is to support the policies of a government, an ideology if you think it has one. Different is to be blind to its mistakes and failures. One could still support Orbán’s administration, and criticize him for the extradition of a criminal that he could have had doubts of him completing his prison time, and this almost surely in exchange for economic help. Even though it wouldn’t excuse him, but he wouldn’t be the first one doing something like this.

    Do not be blinded, be critical instead, and have your own positions. It is almost impossible to agree completely with someone else’s opinions, so why would you determine yourself to follow a leader or politician in every one of their actions?

    To feel ashamed for the actions of your PM in this case would be the sensitive and sensible thing to do. Arrogance is ultimately bad for yourself, and listening to outside critiques is the way to recognize it in yourself, or in this case in your representatives. People are not perfect, and leaders aren’t either.

  • MagyarFiu

    @ Magyar
    well already it seems Azerbaijan an “Eastern” and “Turkic” country has already excreted on Hungary’s name by
    going against their promise of continuing the Azeri’s prison term and releasing him and then celebrating him as a national hero which is in my oppinion an odd thing to consider one who kills another man in his sleep to be a “hero”. If the Armenian verbally offended him he could have fought back face to face but rather he chose cold calculated murder more a cowards act than heroic.
    So these are the people Hungary wanna get into bed with ?
    It seems they already are putting Hungarys name in the mud with these actions.

    • Magyar

      Oh now, the Western liberal countries do not think highly of Hungary, what should we do?

      How about we make October the 8th the official Hungarian Transvestite day, that will make us look good in the eyes of the West again!

    • Leto مؤدّب

      “an odd thing to consider one who kills another man in his sleep to be a “hero”. If the Armenian verbally offended him he could have fought back face to face but rather he chose cold calculated murder more a cowards act than heroic.”

      Yup, that’s a point I’ve already made several times on this site.

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

    • Magyar

      Did you know that there was Trianon commemoration in Kazakhstan?

      Some incident happens in Azeribajan, and suddenly you dislike all Turkic people.

      You know what? I think you are just a racist.

      You should look at how Western Europe humiliated Hungary, before talking about Azeribajan

      I do not like what happened with Safarov, but its time to move on.

      • Californicus

        Western Europe isn’t marching through Roma neighborhoods looking like matching black and white checkerboard clowns with enough pockets to hold the entire Hungaroton catalog.

  • MagyarFiu

    If Hungary can get good legitimate buisiness/trade deals with any country that doesnt cause harm or bad reputation for Hungary then good luck to Hungary I dont have problem.
    I was pointing out that what we see with Hungary’s recent interaction with Azerbaijan seems so far tohave damaging/embarassing result towards Hungary, it makes one wonder if Azeri’s can be trusted after they break their promise to continue prison term then in the face of world opposition celebrate a cold blooded killer…not such a nice thing to be asscociated with is what Im saying.

    Secondly on a cultural identity level I disagree with the Turanian philosophy … I dont see any modern cultural affiliations between any Turkic peoples and Hungarians.

    The horse nomad lifestyle aspect in Hungary’s distant past is and was only one factor in the very long and old Hungarian history why only look at that and not before it or after it ? There are only up to maxium 9.5% of Turkic words in Hungarian language (and these are borrowings) there is 11% German and 20% Slavic words in Hungarian, there is up to 21% Ugric words and remaining
    30% of words are of unknown origin.
    I dont completly believe Finn Ugric analogy either in fact I still think origins of Hungarians is to extent a mystery and unexplained but I dont believe we are Turkic and who ever was calling us Turks were wrong even if we had some influences or assimilated Turkic tribes we remained Magyars they assimilated to us not vis versa and we assimilated a lot of peoples in our ethnogenesis… in my oppinion the old history of the Hungarians has been hijacked by the Turkists who have claimed Turan idea, Scythian idea etc. Hungarians are something unique and we dont have anything hardly any cultural affiliations to existing Turkic peoples whom mostly have adopted the Arabesque Islamic culture.
    Like every person there are probably nations I have some certain ideas about but on an individual basis I dont think I am a racist person after all I have and had Arabic Muslim friends, as well as Asian,Indian etc etc…and I even have Armenian whom have whom have Turkish friends.

  • MagyarFiu

    Also if we look chronologically in history when Hungary was first weakened in significant ways.

    # 1 : 13th century Mongol invasion … which decimated
    much of the country and wiped out near half of the Hungarian population and required Hungary to rely on immigration to repopulate and continue existing.

    # 2 : 16th Century Invasion of Hungary by Ottoman Turks…
    divided up the country and weakened Hungary for later Hapsburg interferences.

    Again we see these significant historical damages to Hungary that weakned her significantly came from the East.

    Note: the most backward countries in Europe/Balkans were those that remained under Ottomans for the longest periods of time.

  • Magyar!!

    “16th Century Invasion of Hungary by Ottoman Turks…
    divided up the country and weakened Hungary for later Hapsburg interferences.”

    The Turks were paid by the French. They sent several boats of gold to the Turks to attack Hungary, not to mention send soldiers to fight Hungarians, and not to mention supplied them with resources.

    The Turks did positively support.

    “Again we see these significant historical damages to Hungary that weakned her significantly came from the East.”
    Have you heard about the battle of Pozsony 907?
    That is just one example, I could give you plenty.

    You might not like the Turanic idea, but politically and economically it is far better than Eurocentric policy.

    So what do you want to do? Keep sucking the Cock of Moscow, Washington, Berlin, Brussels, or even Vienna? Because they are our Christian European brothers?

    One does not have to support Turanism to realise the benefits of an Eastern Foreign policy, and there are many.

    Rejecting the idea shows that you are either naive, or small minded.
    I don’t know your political views, but I am going to guess MSZP, no? They were the ones that minimised our trade with Iran, and focused on the EU, did you celebrate that day?

    • Magyar!!

      “The Turks did positively support.”
      * ignore that, was supposed to delete it

      • !!Magyar!!

        It wont let me post my big message, so I will have to break it up into chunks.

        There is conclusive evidence that plans for the annexation of Hungarian territories were envisaged well before the outbreak of the First World War by the states which benefited from the partition of Hungary . The expansionist aims of the Czechs, Serbia, and Rumania were manifested by the promotion of separatist movements among Hungary’s foreign ethnic minorities and by a highly publicized propaganda campaign in the West, with the collaboration of certain influential personalities such as R. W. Seton-Watson , in order to popularize their cause and to gain acceptance and support for their territorial claims against Austria-Hungary:

        • Magyar…..

          oh never mind, just read this

          -http://www.hunmagyar.org/tor/origins.htm#2. Anti-Hungarian propaganda and bias

          PS. No I dont like what that Oil Tyrant did, so what? All of Asia is bad now?

          Hungary could either become independent, and even emerge as a leader of the Turanic peoples, instead of being Europe’s bitch (which is what eurorats such as yourself want)

          Like Jobbik said:

          We, Hungarians are the most westerly of the Eastern people. If we put aside the lies about our Finno-Ugric origin, and only profess that we are the descendents of Atilla, we would suddenly find hundreds of millions ready to form a common basis for alliance. In fact, there are about two hundred million people living in the world today, who can say that they are descendants of Atilla. It is not possible, of course, to build a political strategy based on this fact alone. However, if we take a look at the countries from Bulgaria to Turkey and all the way across to Eastern Asia, we realise that we, Hungarians could have a lot of common political objectives with these countries. We come to realise that an alliance based and developed on the principles of Turanism instead of the Euro-Atlantic alliance would be more effective in serving the needs and interests of our nation.

          In order to avoid misunderstandings, we need to clarify that this would in no way mean that Hungary should separate from Europe. In fact, what we propose would mean a strengthening of our position in Europe, as Hungary could thus become the Western bastion of a Turanic alliance, as well as its representative within the European Union. We also need not worry about the fact that as a Christian nation, we would be dealing with non-Christian nations. Living a non-Christian way of life is already a common, wide-spread practice within the EU. Besides which, we can safely say that a true Muslim believer or any other true believer in their own country is closer to God the Almighty, than non-practicing Christians inhabiting Europe today. If Hungary wants to regain its positions as a strong player on the stage of international politics it should not head in the direction showed by Fidesz and MSZP, the clownish antics exhibited within the EU, but instead membership in a Turanic alliance , or if needed, its leading role and initiative in forming such an alliance.

          • Californicus

            No nation in history ever became great by adopting a victimization mentality and looking for pity from the rest of the world for perceived wrongs and biases.

          • Magyar

            Exactly, are we going to suck up to the West and behave like their puppy to prove that we are “worthy” Europeans, or our we going to bang our fist on the table, tell them to fuck off and build our own alliances, based on our own terms and ideas?

          • Californicus

            When the whole basis of banging your fist on the table and telling others to fuck off is because you think there’s a Jewish conspiracy against you or that the Finno-Ugric language theory is propaganda designed to put you down, it looks more like a child’s tantrum than the actions of a great nation worthy of respect.

          • Karpatok

            @How do you know that it is not a Jewish conspiracy? Because you are one?

  • Mihai

    Hungary will go bankrupt.

  • MagyarFiu

    “It is not possible, of course, to build a political strategy based on this fact alone. However, if we take a look at the countries from Bulgaria to Turkey and all the way across to Eastern Asia, we realise that we, Hungarians could have a lot of common political objectives with these countries. We come to realise that an alliance based and developed on the principles of Turanism instead of the Euro-Atlantic alliance would be more effective in serving the needs and interests of our nation.”

    What in the hell are the principles of Turanism ?
    Are they basically in line with the Turanic Turkic nationalists extremists terrorist group “The Grey Wolves”
    to protect all Turkic peoples and the honour of Turkicness at any cost “?
    Actually Hungary never had the Turkic wolf folktale probably because we aren’t Turkic.
    Again I think this whole concept is stupid, futile and pretentious.
    In reality its a huge myth that there is great common feeling or strong significant cultural connection between most of those countries you/jobbik mentioned but most especially huge myth between them and Hungary.
    If there was such feelings they wont just suddenly start now they would always have been there so from this we can deduce people now are simply clutching at straws and looking for a fairytale ending it seems people need fairytales sometimes.

    • Magyar

      “Actually Hungary never had the Turkic wolf folktale probably because we aren’t Turkic.”

      Hey Magyarfiu, do you know the Hungarian name for wolf?

      Did you know that for spiritual reasons, the name of the Wolf was not allowed to be said, so it was forgotten, and replaced with “The one with the tail”, which is roughly what farkas means.

      • Magyar

        And when will you understand that Turanism is not just Turkic? All Turkic people are Turanians, but not all Turanians are Turkic.
        Is that really so hard for you to understand?

  • Karpatok

    Why can’t Hungary make alliances with it’s neighbors, especially the one’s that have Hungarian minorities? Why does Hungary only spit on it’s neighbors and keep going back to the partitioning which was not it’s neighbors fault. It was the fault of France, America, and England.

    • Californicus

      Because Hungary is full of racists like yourself.

      • Karpatok

        Why don’t you define racist? If you dare.

  • Karpatok

    IF I am your friend, you will not let me be a friend of Romania for example. And viceversa. I know. Because I’ve tried. Here we have Croatia,Serbia,Bulgaria, Romania,Albania,Greece,Slovakia. All of you are completely broke and being drained by the EU. Why can’t you get out and make something else?

  • olga

    @ Karpatok

    re: “Why don’t you define racist?”

    I know you did not address the question to me, but until you are waiting for C. to answer, look in the mirror .

    BTW, Yes – if one refuses to believe that there is a giant J.s conspiracy out there, it means they are automatically J.s

    You have no idea how many of us embraced J*udaism on this website, but as far as I can remember only Leto has had the honour to become a full fledged Z*ionist

    • Magyar

      Am I a racist?

      • justasking, aka JA

        @Magyar,,

        ‘Am I a racist?’

        Just ask yourself a couple of questions…

        Have you ever lumped a group of people together, condemning them…due to the actions of a few? Have you ever said demeaning remarks towards a group of people, believing that you are superior…due to the actions of a few? Believe that genetics, not environment, are determining factors?

        If you said no to any of those questions, don’t worry about what other people think, you would not be a racist….only those who responded ‘yes’ would be.

    • Karpatok

      BTW: I look in the mirror everyday and I see the same person who has loved Hungary and ERDELY deeply, my whole life.

      • Viking

        Karpatok says:
        October 11, 2012 at 2:25 am

        BTW: I look in the mirror everyday

        Thanks for informing us!
        Is it of metal and that is why not break?
        You really do have a ‘strong stomach’, do you not?
        Or, do you do that exercise just to get your stomach working, to avoid taking pills for your digestion?

        * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

  • Karpatok

    Olga:Thank you for your informative reply. I also embraced J8udaism for a very long time,but no longer. I do distinguish between true J8daism and Zionism however. If only the ethical portion would corral the evil portion I would be less adamant. But I don,t see that happening. Not ever by a long shot.Everybody with half a brain knows that I am not talking about “Fiddler On The Roof Here”.

  • olga

    @ Karpatok

    You make an excellent point when you write:

    “If only the ethical portion would corral the evil portion I would be less adamant.”

    In terms of Hungary, you are clearly saying that the majority of true Hungarians represent the “ethical” while the JOBBIK supporters would be the “evil portion”.

    I always believed that about Hungarians but I like the way you phrased it, but I only wish the “corral” part would begin asap.

  • Karpatok

    NO: I meant that the little jaws would corral the Jawist financiers that your friend Leto is so proud of. And why do you want to come to Hungary? So you can add to J8dapest? Hasn’t Sweden been ruined enough by your so called liberalism? Or do you find it difficult as a Jaw advocating multiculturalism to live with what multiculturalism has invited in? Eh!

  • olga

    @ Karpatok

    Gee, did I misunderstand the spirit of your posting ? Shocking

    I was convinced you were a champion of minority rights when I read your convoluted posting somewhere about gypsies being like Blacks in the USA with references to the CIA, drug Lords, prostitutes, Mafia, Usurers and God knows what and who else.

    FYI, I like coming back to Hungary because it is my birthplace and the Priest who baptized me never read this website therefore he was unaware of my true religion despite a H**ebrew choir singing in the background

    Re: “I meant that the little jaws would corral the Jawist financiers that your friend Leto is so proud of “

    What can I say? I believe Congratulations would be in order as you are such excellent judge of people and I do hope Leto will have a word with the appropriate jaws to correct the problems

  • Californicus

    He means little jawas. He’s pissed that the jawa financiers don’t consider him credit-worthy for that large construction droid purchase. I hear the Emperor intends to build a huge new base to blast those rebel scum. Well, he should just stay the hell out of Mos Eisley. Apparently it’s infested with races from all across the Galaxy and that just creeps him out.

    • Karpatok

      It has nothing to do with that. I am genuinely shocked that in addition to being slimely immoral, you are so stupid and uninformed, but your eyes are just very short sighted. Everything will be coming to a theater close to you very soon. Have a nice day!

      • MagyarViking

        Karpatok says:
        October 11, 2012 at 7:48 am

        your eyes are just very short sighted

        Is it not somebody’s eyesight, which is ‘short sighted’?

        * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

        • Karpatok

          As I understand it, the defect of the eyesight is shortsightedness which defect is located in the very eyes themselves. An opthomologist would give a physical description of the curvature of the lens in relation to the tightness or looseness of the muscles connected to the lens within the eye itself. However the shortsightedness of vision was a metaphor for the lack of penetrating comprehension of the mind,and now we have passed from medical disability to metaphysics and morality, which the dimwitted also cannot comprehend.

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