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October 15th, 2012

Roma groups to stage anti-Jobbik counter-demonstration in Eastern Hungary

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Roma groups are preparing to stage the biggest demonstration of recent times in Miskolc on October 17, Aladár Horváth, head of the Civil Rights Movement for the Republic, announced at a press conference on Friday.

The rally is meant as a counter-demonstration against a Jobbik gathering planned for the city’s Avas housing estate on the same day.

Jobbik said its event, the March for Hungarian Life, had been organised to warn the government and local residents that “people have run out of patience” and “there is no public safety in Hungary”.

NGOs in Miskolc have published an open letter asking Jobbik not to hold its demonstration.

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  • Aloof

    Unless the police and/or TEK got this covered then this could get ugly. Should be interesting to say the least.

  • Walacky

    Obviously the organizers will all be arrested, their families will be deported to KZs, and their houses demolished as, corrsponding to the standard soclib mantra, the civil liberties and freedom of speech and political dissent and whatnot in Hungary are now severely restricted. These utmost objective and factual opinion-makers can not be lying, can they?

  • Magyar

    Looks like its time to put my armband back on.

    • Viking

      On a Thursday?
      You do not need to work?

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      * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

      • Magyar

        Do you work for 24 hours on Thursday?

        • Viking

          Actually all this week 24/7 from today…

          So you are planning a short excursion to Miskolc, that will be a rather short visit with that distance to travel and demonstrating between two workdays

          Obviously you have not calculated the time in hospital…

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          * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

          • Magyar

            Viking, its about time you got onto the first plane back to Sweden.

          • Viking

            And you the first bus back to Slovakia

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            * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

          • Magyar

            Why should I? I am Hungarian, you are Swede.

          • —justasking

            @Magyar,

            ‘Why should I? I am Hungarian, you are Swede’

            Oh, brother…

  • Ivar

    Viking is a bög…

    • Viking

      …och du ár ett rövhål, så det passar ju bra…

      -

      * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

  • Californicus

    The counter-demonstrators should use mockery.

  • Magyar

    -http://www.boon.hu/emberoles-miatt-vettek-orizetbe-a-19-eves-miskolci-ferfit/2102142

    • Magyar

      What this Gypsy protest is actually about is them wanting to legalize criminality, or at least make it more accepted in society.

      Those that take the Gypsy side on this are either actually, or passively supporting and encouraging Gypsy Crime.

      Jobbik is the only party brave enough to stand up to Gypsy Crime, and Gypsies do not want this.
      They are simply used to everyone tolerating their criminality, well not anymore!!!

      • Californicus

        Yep, Gypsies are bad; really, really bad. Gypsies have a “crime gene” and Hungarians have a “soil gene”. Jobbik will be checking to ensure that protest participants are 100% tiszta mud-for-brains.

        • —justasking

          @Californicus,

          You RACIST!!!!!

          • Californicus

            How effective the resident self-appointed civility cop is!

          • —justasking

            @Californicus,

            ‘How effective the resident self-appointed civility cop is!’

            Why thank-you! Like…you have no idea, how good it feels, people recognizing ones hard work.

            You know, I really do believe you’re ‘special’…

          • Liz Aucoin

            Not sure if jobbik is a race! You sure have the nerve calling someone else racist you are quite the biggot yourself, ever look in the mirror? To you anyone with a different opinion from yours is racist. But you feel free to make ACTUAL racist comments and you are calling people racist? I think you have been having too many conversations with Magyar and have no logic or common sense anymore. Get a life, get off this site for a bit and have a conversation with others regarding these topics. You certainly would not be received as well as you are on here.

          • Californicus

            Hey, I’m with Liz and justasking on this! Proper civility on this site requires an exquisite and advanced use of name-calling, sarcasm, parody, and digression into semantics. Some of us are just too clever for each other!

          • —justasking

            @Liz,

            Ahh…no, I take it the meds didn’t work to correct your chemical imbalance?

          • Liz Aucoin

            Not everyone is on meds for chemical imbalances, regardless of what your doctor has told you!

          • JA aka…justasking

            @Liz,

            Yeah…you might wanna consider getting a second opinion.

      • Karpatok

        Magyar,I owe you an apology because I had not been in Hungary since 1998. These Gypsies have been emboldened by the general immorality and multiculturalism propaganda of the EU and Jawish cant in particular. The GARDA is absolutely necessary to stop the explosion of this kind of criminality. White Christian people must band together against the onslaught of barbarians in Europe. Look how the Swedes have been reduced to underlings. I know that you are better informed than I.Nevertheless,just in case you don’t know, I want to refer you to two sights; http://www.The Occidental Observer as well as The Occidental Quarterly. Also The Alternative Right. Both of these sights give a great deal of background on the growing blowback to universal j8wery and coming Nationalism. Also the part played by j8wery in the international communist movement.Believe me when I tell you that I am only recently awakened. Now,onward and upward against the ancient FOE.Thank You.

  • Ted

    Interesting article in The Star:
    -http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1270708–roma-in-hungary-feel-persecuted-but-they-have-nowhere-to-turn

    • Magyar

      What a moronic article full of lies and BS

      I laughed at this bit
      “They waved red and white flags similar to those flown by the Arrow Cross Party — Nazi sympathizers — during World War II”

      • Viking

        Magyar says:
        October 15, 2012 at 8:19 pm

        What a moronic article full of lies and BS
        —

        Care to pinpoint any of those “lies”;

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        * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

    • Californicus

      What’s really sad is when one realizes that groups like Jobbik are only driving more Roma individuals into the hands of others like Ferenc Domotor. If instead Jobbik empowered Roma by not hindering their movement or discriminating against them in education or labor, Roma would be better able to resist exploitation by the Ferenc Domotors of the world.

      • Magyar

        Gypsies commit crime everywhere they go, it doesnt matter if they are educated or not, rich or poor, sad or happy, everywhere they go, they carry their Crime Gene and commit crimes, in Spain, in France, in Canada.
        Why do you think even the French liberals deport them?

        • Magyar

          “Naturally
          gypsy crime does not mean that all Gypsy people are criminals, and it is an absurdity to suggest that it equates to
          the collective labelling of an entire community, as frequently the main victims of gypsy crime are Gypsy people
          themselves. What is however simply beyond dispute, is that certain specific criminological phenomena are
          predominantly and overwhelmingly associated with this minority, and that as a result such phenomena require
          the application of fitting and appropriate remedies”

          Jobbik manifesto 2010

          • Californicus

            Platitudes do not result in meaningful remedies. Crime is not remedied by criminalizing a group of people.

          • Magyar

            Oh come on, what do you know about Gypsies you ignoramus?

            Have you even met one?

          • Californicus

            Yes. I’ve also met bigots. They are easy to recognize.

          • Magyar

            Is calling a spade a spade being bigoted?

          • Californicus

            Is drawing a false equivalency between a broken spade and all spades being intelligent? What do you have against spades anyways?

          • Magyar

            If you have a 100 spades and 90 of them are broken, you can say that this brand and make of spade is bad

          • Californicus

            A manufacturer would require good documentation showing a 90% failure rate. Something tells me you should stay away from manufacturing and quality assurance careers.

        • Californicus

          Racism is not limited to Hungary.

          • Magyar

            No, Gypsy Crime is not limited to Hungary.

        • Viking

          Magyar says:
          October 15, 2012 at 8:37 pm

          Gypsies commit crime everywhere they go, it doesnt matter if they are educated or not, rich or poor, sad or happy, everywhere they go, they carry their Crime Gene
          —

          So, where in scientific literature is this “Crime Gene” described?

          -

          * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

          • Magyar

            In The Bible.

          • Viking

            Yes, of course, but which version?
            I do not remember it from my Sunday school about 50 years ago…

            But maybe you remember it from those Sunday classes in Slovakia in the end of the 90s?

            -

            * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

  • —justasking

    Pity, somebody didn’t think to have a Gay Roma parade. :)

    • Liz Aucoin

      Bigotry in yor genes then?

      • —justasking

        @Lizi,

        Projecting I see…

  • olga

    @ Magyar

    I changed the JOBBIK Manifesto slightly :

    ” What is however simply beyond dispute, is that certain specific criminological phenomena are
    predominantly and overwhelmingly associated with poor, uneducated and disenfranchised people, and that as a result such phenomena require the application of fitting and appropriate remedies”

    I can suggest fitting and appropriate remedies but I first want to get approval for the revised Manifesto from the original authors who drafted the Manifesto

    • Magyar

      How do you explain that poor ethnic Hungarians do not do such crimes?
      All burglaries in Miskolc are done by gypsies, like that article says.

      • Vidra

        Sure, and “all” those getting paid millions each month in black money are ethnic Hungarians. Are you going to go on marches against the “Magyar Crimes” of tax evasion, wife-beating and racism, just to show you’re not prejudiced?

    • Californicus

      Communism in Hungary disenfranchised many Hungarians. They started stealing items which were difficult to obtain and workplace theft was rampant. Therefore, applying Magyar’s false equivalency standards, all Hungarians are thieves.

  • Bobby

    I am from the UK but am in Budapest right now. I would like to go to see these protests. Does anyone have clear details of times and places.

    • Magyar

      What are your political views?

  • Bobby

    Well that is a very broad subject.

    But in this part of the world I would say that I would love to see a cultural union in the pre Trianon Hugarian world.

    I would love to see Roma society fully integrated into all the Central European societies.

    I would love to see people go to bed at night without fear no matter what the ethnicity.

  • olga

    @ Magyar

    re: \How do you explain that poor ethnic Hungarians do not do such crimes? All burglaries in Miskolc are done by gypsies, like that article says.\

    Would you mind defining \such crimes\ ?

    Assuming there are at least a dozen Hungarians incarcerated in Hungary, what \such crimes\ did they commit ?

    If you took any town in the Western world where the poorest of the poor had green skin with pin polkadots, you can bet they would be the ones committing the most petty crimes and when they didn’t , the rest of the town would blame every single crime on them anyway.

    I would think a place like Miskolc would be a good place to set up shop for the non- Roma planning a career in theft, petty crime and b & e because no one would think of anyone but a \gypsy\ to be the perpetrator.

    • Karpatok

      Olga: That is exactly the lie they want us to believe,your third paragraph. Without the Garda we all just go on descending in to Gypsy Hell.

  • Viking

    Magyar says:
    October 15, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    How do you explain that poor ethnic Hungarians
    —

    How do you explain “poor ethnic Hungarians”?

    Are they just as lazy as their fellow Roma (who are poor because they are lazy you told us before)

    So, what are these “poor ethnic Hungarians” excuse for being poor?

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    * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

  • Karpatok

    So what is your excuse for being rich,Viking?

    • Viking

      Karpatok says:
      October 16, 2012 at 4:25 am

      So what is your excuse for being rich,Viking?
      —

      * Hard work for many years. I started to work when I was 16 and dropped out of Secondary School. Never made it any longer

      * moving down to Hungary but still keeping a mainly international income, but now with Hungarian expense-levels

      * refusing my wife to buy fancy dresses and Mercedes-cars

      I may be called “rich” by Hungarian standards, but not so much in reality. Just that we have invested in different real estate for over 15 years with the aim of building up a bigger business that the children can reap the fruits from and hopefully we get something to live on as retired people. It is investments with a 10-20 year window to build up

      So, what is your excuse that there exists, according to ‘maygar’, “poor ethnic Hungarians”?

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      * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

  • Bobby

    I have heard one of the protests is at 8.30 am. Does any body know any more details of times and places?

    Thanks

    • Magyar

      Jobbik really will be at 17:00 in Miskolc

      poster
      -http://kuruc.info/galeriaN/egyeb/avas121016.jpg

      more info
      -http://kuruc.info/r/23/102773/

  • olga

    @ Viking

    re: “refusing my wife to buy fancy dresses and Mercedes-cars”

    Good God, how do you say MCP in Swedish?

    I don’t know what “fancy dresses” are, is it something Marie Antoinette wore? As far as I know your wife works so she could buy clothes and cars with her own earnings.

    I know someone like Karpatok minus the racial prejudice, in fact the total opposite. He is 29 working on a PHD in philosophy and seems obsessed with “corporate greed”

  • Changed my name because my comments were constantly blocked.

    Extremist Roma groups are openly looking to continue to terrorize Hungarians which is why they’re fervently hate anyone who tells the truth about Roma extremism and crime.

    • Californicus

      Who dominates the political and economic institutions in Hungary? Only those in power can be held responsible for the miserable situation, not the victims.

    • Karpatok

      So Changed: Whose propaganda has emboldened vicious Roma to think they can get away with such crime.Who has offered excuses and protection for their criminal acts? They are too stupid to have thought it up by themselves. So who is defending them as victims. Isn’t it the biggest professional victims in the world. What a joke.Next, the Roma will be our money lenders,ie Banks.

      • Viking

        Karpatok says:
        October 17, 2012 at 9:09 am

        Whose propaganda has emboldened vicious Roma to think
        —

        An easier question to answer is whose propaganda emboldened people with max two braincells to stop thinking…

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        * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

        • Karpatok

          The difficult questions are always more important than a small drugged mongrel brain can fathom. So you left your homeland when it became filled with the enemies you mistakenly invited in, and now you wish the same fate on Hungarians while you take advantage of them.

          • Viking

            So, who is the *smart* one then?

            Even “a small drugged mongrel brain” can be *smarter* than you – must hurt, so ‘Blame Ze J*ws!’

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            * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

          • Karpatok

            Just read how Viking exposes what he really is.I think he must not have realized just what he is admitting. Enough said every body? So this Swedish J8w is a bloodsucker!

  • olga

    @ Californicus

    re: “What’s really sad is when one realizes that groups like Jobbik are only driving more Roma individuals into the hands of others like Ferenc Domotor”

    I don’t think anyone on this website could possibly have a lower opinion of JOBBIK than I have but you cannot blame the tragic exploitation of the Roma victims on JOBBIK in this particular case.

    If you really want to know what happened, you’ll have to read some articles on-line from “The Hamilton Spectator”, Hamilton being the city where the crimes were committed and the trial was held.

    Other responsible publications that are not prone to sensationalism are The Globe and Mail and the National Post. If you want a Left leaning “drama” version, read The Toronto Star and you will not be disappointed

    JA is not a racist and a lot of people including her and me are very sympathetic to the Roma in general but feel that Canada ought not have to deal with racial problems that needs to be addressed and solved by the EU countries.

    Bad enough our First Nation lives in abject poverty and the government is throwing money at the reserves because it’s still cheaper than actually setting up worthwhile but expensive programmes that will take years to take effect.

    • Californicus

      South African natives were the driving force behind a short-lived economic boom prior to the passage of the Natives Land Act in 1913. They bought land, adopted the plow and other newly-introduced technologies, and raised their living standards. This had the result of weakening the power of their chiefs who traditionally owned the land. After the Act was passed and the natives’ private property rights obliterated, their land expropriated, they once again fell under the influence of the chiefs and their traditional extractive institutions. Their impoverishment was the direct result of institutionalized racism, of a political institution that only extended private property rights to white folk.

      Ferenc Domotor is a “chief” in this context, having the connections and power within that community. Jobbik actively seeks to exclude minorities like the Roma. When excluded from the economic and political institutions of the country, where else but back to the “chief” will individuals turn? I read an article about it on the Hamilton Spectator like you suggested. It is no accident that those men were “desperate for work”. The whole system is set up against them.

      • JA aka…justasking

        @Californicus,

        Are you, with all seriousness, trying to draw similarity, or even an interlocking link…to what South African Natives experienced and were forced to endure, to that of the Roma community (past and present) in Hungary?
        —

        ‘South African natives were the driving force behind a short-lived economic boom prior to the passage of the Natives Land Act in 1913′

        Was this ever the case in Hungary…this community being ‘the driving force’ of anything?

        Please explain and/or show examples as to how…
        ——-

        ‘They bought land, adopted the plow and other newly-introduced technologies, and raised their living standards’

        Again, similar example for the Roma community in Hungary…or anywhere in Europe for that matter?

        Please explain and/or show examples, as to when…
        ——-

        ‘When excluded from the economic and political institutions of the country’

        They are?

        Please explain how…
        ———–
        Are you really going to force me to go, sentence by sentence, of your post, to make my point?

        Love em’ or hate em’ Jobbik did not create the situation that the Roma face today. Granted, they don’t help the situation; but, they did not create it either.

        This was an equal ‘opportunity endeavor’ by both parties. I’m talking about those individuals in the Roma Community, who seek to exploit a situation (subsidies, organized crime), and those individuals (politicians) who created the environment for the exploitation(s) TOO occur.

        You can not try and compare, the American Black Community, and all that happened to them in the US; with the Roma Community, and all that has happened to them in Europe. One of the major differences…the Roma CHOSE to emigrate towards Europe as free individuals, from Northern India…American Africans DIDN’T chose to go to America as slaves.

        Ferenc Domotor, is an organized crime kingpin thug…nothing more, nothing less. He CHOSE to exploit his own peoples hardship…just like, those organised criminals in Europe, who snatch Roma girls and force them into prostitution, and those who snatch Roma children, and force them to steal, pickpocket etc, on the streets.
        ——-

        ‘ It is no accident that those men were “desperate for work”. The whole system is set up against them’

        What ‘system’ specifically and what countries ‘exactly’ are we talking about? Hungary?

        Well, there are other countries signed on, who form the EU…are they any better? If not, who’s fault is that?Should North American, be forced to deal with an ‘EU’ issue?

        • Californicus

          Where do you get the idea that Jobbik created the situation that the Roma face today? Don’t expect me to defend something I never wrote. The situation that the Roma face today has its roots far back in history. The only sentiment in what Olga had quoted was that groups like Jobbik are continuing it and making it worse.

          Moreover, don’t waste your time to go through sentence by sentence to make your point until there’s some acknowledgement that you understood mine. The South African story was illustrative of how institutions influence the direction of development a society takes. Read Bundy if you want the full account. Whether the Roma were a “driving force” previously or not is irrelevant. If you need a different illustration in order to understand my point, think about why the increase in the breakdown of the traditional family structure is coinciding with the increase in opportunities for women.

          • JA aka…justasking

            @Californicus,

            ‘Jobbik actively seeks to exclude minorities like the Roma. When excluded from the economic and political institutions of the country, where else but back to the “chief” will individuals turn?’

            You implied it.

          • justasking!!!

            Shit…hit the submit button too fast…

            @Californicus con’t,

            ‘until there’s some acknowledgement that you understood mine’

            Not until you stop using extreme examples, on top of, one that has nothing to do with the other.
            ——-

            ‘Whether the Roma were a “driving force” previously or not is irrelevant’

            It does become relevant, when they are a contributing factor.
            ———

            ‘If you need a different illustration in order to understand my point’

            If you used a relevant example, one wouldn’t need to.

          • Californicus

            The causes of poverty are complex. Simple explanations do not suffice. They lead to incorrect solutions such as redistribution programs that the left advocates for and exclusion policies such as what the right propounds. Go deeper in your education on the matter. Read up on development theory or development economics. Then the conversation will be more meaningful and the relevance of the examples clear. Maybe you’ll even come to understand why the IMF and other current forms of foreign aid have a pretty poor track record.

          • justasking!!!

            @Californicus,

            ‘The causes of poverty are complex. Simple explanations do not suffice. They lead to incorrect solutions such as redistribution programs that the left advocates for and exclusion policies such as what the right propounds’

            Gee, is that why we haven’t solved this issue here on poli.hu?
            ———

            ‘Maybe you’ll even come to understand why the IMF and other current forms of foreign aid have a pretty poor track record’

            What…throwing cash at the problem and not tackling the underlying issues?

    • Karpatok

      Why do you get let off the hook in dealing with Gypsy crime? Just more of your not wanting to know,push it away,let somebody else deal with it while you sob for them?

      • Viking

        Karpatok says:
        October 17, 2012 at 1:17 pm

        Why do you get let off the hook in dealing with Gypsy crime?
        —

        Because there is nothing called “Gypsy crime”?

        Criminals who are Roma, but why should the Roma I employ be regarded as criminals?

        The only criminals I see on a regular basis are you and ‘maygar’, who repeatedly falsify the truth

        -

        * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

      • Liz Aucoin

        Just another cop out by Olga, now that you have all the comforts of Canada, and not being born here yourself either, now you don’t want Canada to turn their backs on others who could be given the same chance. By the way, if JA is not racist she has an awful way of depicting it. Next you will say that Magyar isn’t racist either.

    • Californicus

      Why does Canada get let off the hook? Because Canada has no say in the EU’s or Hungary’s institutions. Canada can only deal with its own institutionalized racism. It’s been slow, but Canada has certainly been moving in a more positive direction than Hungary. One wonders if human trafficking of Roma in Hungary would have even been noticed by the police.

    • JA aka…justasking

      @Olga,

      ‘but feel that Canada ought not have to deal with racial problems that needs to be addressed and solved by the EU countries’

      And to me…that is the issue.

      The top 3 largest countries in the world are..1) Russia, with approx 142 million people. 2) Canada, with approx 35 million people and 3) USA, with approx 314 million people.

      Hellooo!!!!

      There are limited resources available from 35 million people.

      Yes, we do need immigrants, hell, I’m a product of immigrants, I like immigrants; but, we need to be smart about it. Priority, goes to those, who will bring the education that we need, ie: professionals…equal too, individuals, who have expendable cash, who want to bring it with them, to set up shop here in Canada.

      We need those tax dollars!!! Without them? There ain’t no ‘feel good’ fund happnein’

      When, and only WHEN, those quotas have been filled/met…do we do our ‘community services’ to the World.

      % given to those individuals, in imminent danger, smaller % allotted to individuals, who are economic refugees and finally, those who simply want to move to Canada, for the view.

      Child soldiers from Somalia, females from countries such as Pakistan, Afghanistan, who are systematically targeted/murdered, for daring to demand an education.
      Political refugees from Syria/Palestine, Roma individuals, who are targeted by organized crime organizations, that force them into doing illegal activities.

      These to me are examples of situations, when people would be in imminent danger.

      Having a shitty job/can’t find one for whatever reason…somehow, I don’t see you as ‘desperate’ as those in the above group.

      That’s the reality.

      People, who throw out malicious accusations of people not wanting to ‘share the wealth around’…are ones who simply can’t think past the end of their noses and think that simply ‘because you care, it’ll all fall into place’.

      I call them the ‘Mitt Romney’s’ of the world.

  • Viking

    Liz Aucoin says:
    October 16, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    Not sure if jobbik is a race!
    —

    No, but a sub-culture:
    “Jobbik is not merely a political party – it is a complex and vivid subculture. Being a right-wing radical in Hungary means more than just voting for a party every four years. Being a right-wing radical also implies a preference for certain sports, music genres, literature, media, and clothing. It should come as no surprise, then, that Jobbik is quite popular among youth, from the villages to the big cities, from the children of the poorer classes to the elites. Jobbik’s success among these youth is in offering something more than just politics but a sense of identity as they struggle to find their own identity in a postmodern world”
    (-http://hungarianglobe.mandiner.hu/cikk/20121004_the_roots_and_the_dilemmas_of_the_hungarian_right_wing_radicalism)

    Interesting article

    -

    * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

    • Liz Aucoin

      Yes but you can’t be racist against a subculture

      • Californicus

        Right. You can only be bigoted against a subculture. Not seeing a big difference!

        • Liz Aucoin

          Prejudice is the most appropriate term in my opinion

  • Magyar

    Continually updated events of the protests

    -http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2012/10/jobbik-demonstrates-for-restoration-of.html

  • Karpatok

    Viking asks” Why should the Roma I employ be regarded as criminals?” Because as a degenerate foreign J*W with no morals you employ them in criminal acts. Isn’t it you Viking,who pimps and runs one of the biggest prostitution rings in Hungary having brought your multicultural filth to defile yet another country?

    • Viking

      1) So there exists ‘domestic J*W’s?

      2) So there exists domestic/foregn J*Ws with moral?
      Do you have any example of any in Hungary today?

      3) You do not even know that prostitution is legal in Hungary?
      You thought you committed a crime every time you paid 5000 forint for your weekly blow-job?
      Poor sod, so unintelligent and such a looser…

      -

      * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

  • olga

    @ Californicus

    re: It’s been slow, but Canada has certainly been moving in a more positive direction than Hungary.”

    Would you agree that Canada has certainly been moving in a more positive direction than the USA.” ?

    • Californicus

      Interesting question and hard to answer because I don’t see glaring differences between the two as between Hungary and Canada. I think Canada and USA are about the same, but that would just be my opinion rather than a conclusion drawn from a comparative analysis of our institutions.

      • JA aka…justasking

        @Californicus,

        ‘I think Canada and USA are about the same’

        Not even close; but, that would just be my opinion rather than a conclusion drawn from a comparative analysis of our institutions.

  • olga

    @ Karpatok

    Viking is neither J.ish nor is he in the prostitution business and I happen to know this for a fact.

    So if you are 100% wrong about Viking, and equally wrong about calling some of us J.ish who are not, so what else are you 100% wrong about? (Notice how polite I am because I shall not answer my own question although I have a percentage in mind)

    I noted that you have no been back to Hungary for a long time so it is interesting how the few people who live outside the country’s present borders have to most neo-Nazi ideologies to espouse on this website.

    • Californicus

      I hate the fact that one can’t type the words Jew or Jewish here, as if those are swear words.

  • Magyar

    “I noted that you have no been back to Hungary for a long time so it is interesting how the few people who live outside the country’s present borders have the most left wing ideologies to espouse on this website.”

    Fixed it for you Olga!

    I also want your opinions on this French video by the French youth
    -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb8SLNMIBlM

    • Viking

      The video is part of Fabrice Robert work
      An alderman to Le Pen’s National Front, which is mostly an anti-Arab organisation, somewhat supported by J*ws

      So ‘maygar’ The Great Anti-S*mite and Pro-Turanist, makes strange bed-fellows

      And if you check the video, not so many of them look like what I as a Viking would call ‘white folks’, but maybe that is why ‘maygar’ feels at home?

      -

      * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

  • Karpatok

    I would like to reply to Olga and Magyar who have both been very polite. I would like to be polite also but it is difficult with such a filthy troll as Viking whether he is J8wish or not. Since I have never had anything to do with a prostitute it never occurred to me that Hungary had legalized prostitution. What a tragedy. That explains why in the late nineties on the road to Debrecen I had seen at every lane meeting the main highway a girl standing in shorts and flagging down cars and trucks. I am certain that the acceptance of this behavior was under the influence of wanting to join the EU. Now let me explain something else. It is well known that J8ws have always controlled and exploited the sex industry going back to the time of the CZARS and also in Germany big time before the time of Hitler. This was something that the Nazis wanted to stop. Now. Does everybody here know that the TALMUD proposes the use of girls of three for SEX? Get Leto the Great TALMUD defensigator to explain THAT.Also that the TALMUD says that boys of nine are sexually mature for the taking. Also that the GOYIM are animals, meaning I guess that J*ws also promote beastiasm. WE know that the J*ws dominate the world sex traffic BIZNESS as well as the pornography BIZNESS. We know that J*ws in JUD**pest know how to sell the ROMA. A J*w would sell his grandmother for a few shekels. OLGA: So glad to find out you are not a J*W. MAGYAR: You would need HERCULES to clean out the AUGEAN stables of J*D*PEST.

    • Viking

      Karpatok says:
      October 19, 2012 at 1:25 am

      it never occurred to me that Hungary had legalized prostitution
      —

      If you do not even know that, and that is the case in half of Europe, you better find yourself another website, then you have no facts connected to the reality we Europeans live, so stay on your side of the pond and continue to harass your poor neighbours

      -

      * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

      • Karpatok

        No, I don’t have to stay on my side. I announced from the beginning that I was here to see which way the wind is blowing. You have attacked me from the beginning with every little wretched vile sexual thing you could stemming from the deplorable lack of morality in your beloved EU. And I certainly have learned a lot by coming to this site. I don’t know if the true Hungary can be resurrected or not. In my opinion Hungary should never have allowed itself to be drawn into the excrable crap of the so called European Union. What a stinking mess of vultures and vipers drawing the guts out of all it’s periphery. And now we are going to see many civil wars flaming from Brussels and Germany’s fine work. Everything that is extracted from the people goes to line those damn bankers pockets. And what the hell are you doing for Hungary anyway?

        • Viking

          Karpatok says:
          October 19, 2012 at 10:17 am

          the deplorable lack of morality in your beloved EU
          —

          Yes, that is how we are and we are enjoying it
          Bet you that we have a fucking lot more fun than you…

          -

          * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

  • Karpatok

    Olga:I am waiting for your reply to my last post here. I am wondering if they are letting you see it.I certainly would not want to think that this website is ethnically prejudicial in any way.

  • olga

    @ Karpatok

    I did see it and I was kind of shocked although I don’t shock easily

    While I am not J., I have friends who are and my best friend through high school was J. but she moved to the States when she was 21 and our lives have taken very different turns so we only keep in touch every few months on email and I see her about every 2-3 years when she comes to visit family.

    I feel disloyal to my friends even reading some of the things written on this website and I know you cannot relate to \my world\ any more than I can relate to yours, but in mine no one cares about people’s religion (we know know about race if it’s visible but no one cares about that either the way I am sure you don’t care about the colour of people’s eyes)

    My best friend in high school was J. and I spent many weekend at her place and she at my house and she hung around with the Gentile kids because the few J. kids we had in our class were nerdy academically over-achieving kids so she was much more comfortable with our crowd :) )

    Thanks to a J.-Hungarian named Peter Munk, Toronto has one of the best cardiac hospitals in the Province and I already told Magyar, that hospital saved my Dad’s life once and thousands of others’ every year, however the doctor in charge was from Pakistan and I did not ask about his faith.

    I don’t know anything about the Talmud, it sounds like it’s the same thing as the Old Testament that said a lot of weird things so I have no idea what you were referring to but there is an Internet joke that went around about it a few years ago called \Letter to dr. Laura\ and it made fun of the bizarre things written in the Old Testament.

    The only thing you ever write that I can relate to are your your concern for the planet, the soil in Hungary, interest in organic food and that money is not everything – however I have never equated $$$ with J.ewish conspiracies, I thought more like \Saudi conspiracies \ and while I am just joking about the Saudis but we all know their gold is made of oil.

  • olga

    @ Magyar

    Not sure what you meant bu “fixed it for you” are you in Hungary now? If you are I heard from my girlfriend the weather was great, so I wish i were there instead of here.

    I saw that video – certainly a bunch of angry young people but I have no idea what they are angry about – are they angry at the lack of youth employment, immigrants coming to France or the minorities living in the country or all of of these issues and then some?

    I recognized Bernard Kouchner’s name that was mentioned, but other than his starting “Doctors without Borders’ I know nothing about him nor what “sins” he committed in the video participants’ minds

    • Magyar

      Omg, you are so naive and narrow minded, enjoy living in your postcommie world.

  • Karpatok

    Olga: I certainly also had many J friends in school, both high school and university. It has really been in these last years as the financial crisis has grown, that I have been reading and have become more aware. I am truly concerned about what this group has been doing and has done with their political influence,with what their money buys and with their complete control of the media and silencing of all opposition. I will say that I know of some good Js,very capable journalists and writers, but they are few and far between. They are very brave and outstanding. Maybe being in Canada, you do not yet know how corrupt the US has become.It is very scary. They are leading the world into an apocalypse with their military industrial empire that is benefiting a few very very wealthy people at the top.Your Stephen Harper is right along with them. We are hurtling fast towards the cliff and these people are trying to get as much as they can before it all falls apart.

    • Californicus

      Crapicus,

      Carlos Slim doesn’t make your list?

  • olga

    @ Karpatok

    There is a lot of talk on this website about the economy and about the sorry state of world finances, what Orban should and should not be doing, the IMF etc.

    As you know, the Presidential debates are on and of course “how to fix the economy” has very different solutions from the candidates. Ontario’s Premier resigned this week which shocked everyone because it was unexpected and since our problems are irrelevant on this website, suffice to say it was to do with money and debts

    I am quoting just one paragraph regarding Ontario’s debt to show you how we simply cannot afford Roma refugees as they concentrate on making their homes in Ontario. It’s not about prejudice, it’s about affordability (“McGuinty had alienated a powerful ally — Ontario’s teachers — by forcing a pay freeze to reduce the province’s massive $14.4-billion deficit.” Ontario is becoming the California of the North without the good weather )

    When the Greek crisis was daily headline news, I listened to the debates on Canadian television from the Greek-background experts, ie economists, university profs who teach the kids who will one day be so called experts but I could hardly hear what they were saying shouting at each other disagreeing about “why it happened” and how to proceed from getting out of the mess.

    Unfortunately I never even understood why the dollar value fluctuates on a daily basis, never mind what caused the Global recession but I did understand the Occupy Wall Street movement that was started by Canadians and transcended all race and religion. As long as you don’t single out any one group for causing the financial mess, I am willing to be outraged about “corporate greed” 24/7

    I just heard about a book “Boomerang” by Michael Lewis which I will buy this weekend. Thus within a week I should be able to have the answer that will turn the world economy around but until then, this is a sentence from the book review:

    “Michael Lewis possesses the rare storyteller s ability to make virtually any subject both lucid and compelling. In his new book, Boomerang, he actually makes topics like European sovereign debt, the International Monetary Fund and the European Central Bank not only comprehensible but also fascinating The book could not be more timely given the worries about Europe s deepening debt crisis and the recent warning issued by Christine Lagarde, managing director of the I.M.F., that ‘the current economic situation is entering a dangerous phase.” (My favourite word in the review is “comprehensible”)

    BTW, you mentioned how you haven’t been to Hungary for a while – why not? If it’s a nosy question, just ignore it.

  • Magyar

    Vona Gábor: Hazánk nem lesz a bűnözőké!

    -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvx-jFq3KTw&feature=g-high-u

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