October 19th, 2012

Orbán again attacks EU welfare state, calls for “full-fledged reorganization” of European societies

Welfare states will not return to western Europe as they are uncompetitive, Prime Minister Viktor Orban said in Bucharest on Thursday. European societies should be based on work instead, he said.

“It’s wrong to think that European life will continue unchanged after the crisis … nothing will remain as it used to be, and we should stand our ground in that kind of future,” Orban told Hungarian reporters after addressing a European People’s Party congress. “This is what I encourage all EPP members to do.”

In his speech delivered in English at the congress, Orban said that “the crisis cannot be managed by the same policy and with the same tools which have caused the crisis itself.”

Asked by MTI to interpret this statement, Orban said the period of economic growth based on financial speculation was over. Financial services can no longer substitute productive work which generates value.

Measures to develop work-based societies include cutting taxes on labour, shifting the focus of taxation to sales taxes and sharing out public burdens fairly, Orban said.

“The crisis cannot be managed by the same policy and tools which have caused the crisis itself,” he said in the speech he delivered to the PPP congress in English.

Innovative, “unorthodox” measures are needed instead, he said.

Orban said no one should stretch beyond their means.

“We cannot live beyond our means. It is easy to say but difficult to do.”

“Structural reforms are not enough … We need renewal and full-fledged reorganisation of our societies,” he said.

There is a need to improve competitiveness, decrease sovereign debt and maintain social stability in the meantime, Orban added.

To meet these aims, a technocratic management will not do; political leadership is needed, he said.

He added that “more Europe” was needed while countries should have their own national choices on policy.

“Every single country should be allowed to make its own policy mix,” he said.

Orban said the EPP must address the question of why “populist, extremist forces are the ones to become stronger during the crisis.”

“We must not be elitist, bureaucrats and technocrats,” but convince crisis-hit people that “democracy should equal the hope for a better future.”

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  • Anonymous

    What a genius, the guy has all the answers. Strange that he is running one of Europes worst performing economies.

    • Robert

      And hordes of young people are leaving the plump nazis country.

  • Aloof

    Lot of drivel there, now back to reality:

    Officials spell out the limitations of the structure of the ECB, which is due to take over the supervision of banks, and the difficulties of fully involving non-euro-zone countries in the central bank’s decisions, since under the EU treaty, the ECB is solely responsible for countries in the currency union.

    The document, addresses one option to accommodate non-euro countries — the creation of a new body within the central bank where regulators from countries outside the euro would have a say. The experts say this would not breach EU law, so long as the final decision on supervision remains with the ECB.

    One of the concerns of countries outside the euro, such as Hungary, is that it would not receive an equal say in supervisory decisions if it joined the banking union.

    The ECB could, for example, demand a euro-zone bank keep back more capital to cover losses, a request that could lead to it reigning in lending in the bank’s Hungary arm, with Budapest powerless to oppose.

    \There are a lot of banks with links between the euro zone and non-euro-zone countries. A lot of countries, including Germany, really want these other countries to be involved,\ said one EU official.

    Can’t wait to see what he says about this. In Europe without the Germans the Hungarian economy would be virtually non existent.

    Time to pull out some more of those \innovative, unorthodox measures\ that are just dazzling everybody in Europe the last 2.5 years no?

  • Karpatok

    Aloof: you say Back to Reality. I can’t believe you are still a true believer. How come? From my neck of the woods the big brains know that this cracked idea is finished. Not designed well, can’t be fixed,kaput? Four quadrillion of debt all together counting the derivatives. Musical Chairs.You get it? Yet? Crash.

    • Aloof

      @Karp October 19, 2012 at 12:11 pm

      I was just stating the EU reality, which Hungary is a member of, so what is OV going to do about it? Who said I was a true believer? Of what? Doing this?:

      “The time of the homogenous nation state is over,” said EU prez Herm van Rompuy adding that; “in every European member state, there are people who believe their country can survive alone in the globalised world. It is more than an illusion — it is a lie.” The firmness of this statement can only come from a man who behind the scenes knows all the details of the planned implosion of the world’s financial system.

      It is clear that countries will not be strengthened as a result of any measure adopted by the EU, the European Central Bank, or the IMF. As we speak there is a fight inside the international banking hierarchy discussing what is the best way to collapse the world’s financial system, beginning with the Euro zone to later spread the collapse to the Americas.

      If you think that Banks run behind the scenes by the international globalist elite will ever be my master then you pegged me all wrong.

      OV knows better than anyone that these schmucks are trying to take politics and politicians out of the equation in a supranational fahion. OV is in a pickle one way or the other because NONE of his “unorthodox or innovative measure” have produced any positive economic results. So that makes all his anti-EU political ramblings and rants irrelevant.

    • Viking

      Karpatok says:
      October 19, 2012 at 12:11 pm

      From my neck of the woods the big brains know that this cracked idea is finished

      Yeah, sit on the wrong side of the pond and complain on how we European handle our business…

      Just continue show your total ignorance

      * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

  • Leto مؤدّب

    @Curious George:

    This news also about the demographics and pension issue.

    Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

    • Curious George

      I agree with a lot of what OV said here, except for the part where he talks about each country doing it on its own. Each country does already determines its own economic path. Being part of the EU gives Hungary many advantages in terms of stability, attractiveness for business, framework for a high social quality of life etc, however, it is left to Hungary to decide if it will make the sacrifices necessary to continue to enjoy that, Money flowing into a country is not for people to enjoy forever, so each country will need to have policies in place to make sure that the money is justified & used wisely eg increase productivity to earn higher salaries, measures to avoid property speculation, or taxed if used for economic activities which do not create wealth, or else have measures in place to turn it away. Each country is responsible for ensuring its economy is strong within the EU, but I doubt any EU country can achieve that in isolation. Rumpuy is spot on with his statement.

      • Leto مؤدّب

        “I agree with a lot of what OV said here”

        Watch out, you’re becoming an orbanista. 😀 :p

        “Each country does already determines its own economic path.”

        ??? No way. The EU-membership has significantly reduced economic sovereignty of the member states, too, and EU would want to take reduce that even more. Luckily we won’t have to join the Euro zone any time soon.

        Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

        • Viking

          Leto مؤدّب says:
          October 19, 2012 at 3:10 pm

          The EU-membership has significantly reduced economic sovereignty of the member states, too, and EU would want to take reduce that even more. Luckily we won’t have to join the Euro zone any time soon

          Luckily for the Euro-countries Hungary is not welcomed for some years yet

          Given the theft of people’s private pensions funds and other one-time actions, which has not changed the bad state of the Hungarian economy, an EU oversight would have been very welcome in Hungary, then PimpMaster Whorban has shown with his last 2.5 years at power he is not able to produce anything more than stalemate and chaos and a much, much poorer country

          On the other hand, as a foreigner with international income, I should really not complain, then Hungarian Real Estate becomes cheaper by every word you read this post…

          * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

        • Curious George

          @Leto – No, the EU has reduced financial sovereignty, not economic sovereignty. Hungary is free to develop whichever economic sectors it wants, so long as it can compete (competing sometimes means getting developmental assistance from those who can). The problem is it doesn’t try to do that, but squanders its development money on aesthetics, or enriching cronies.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            @CG:

            Nope, EU has reduced all kind of sovereignty and it keeps trying to do more of that. I hope there will be more and more resistance to this and hopefully EU will never become a federal superstate. Fortunately there’s no cultural and historical base they could build on. “European identity” is a non-existent fake propaganda thing.
            Hungary must distance from EU like Britain does. I’m now convinced that Hungary should never ever introduce Euro and she should always find a pretext not to do so like Sweden did.

            Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • Curious George

            @Leto – I agree that the EU has reduced all kinds of sovereignty. My point is that economic sovereignty and developmental objectives & allocation are still left to individual countries. With the exception of agriculture, I think each country has the capability to decide how to devote resources in line with its competitive advantage ((in agriculture, I believe the CAP is skewed against the 12 new countries, by dictating high requirements & removing the natural cost (not quality or productivity) advantages these countries have))
            Adopting the Euro essentially means that Hungary will have to
            a. Keep productivity up with the best in Europe for those industries it is competitive in,
            b. work within the budget deficit limits.

            Having said that, it would still be on the hook for potential bailouts if other Euro countries fail to adhere to the above 2 points.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            @CG:

            I agree that those two external constraints would do good to Hungary. On the other hand the drawbacks seem to outweigh these. Can you see many common things in Greece and Ireland, that is history, mentality, work and tax ethics, etc?

            Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • Magyar

            Leto, what do you think of this latest EU propaganda?

            -http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-N70bNbdtUeo/UINTc9875lI/AAAAAAAAAlo/qETtM997554/s1600/Europe+for+all.jpg

            And if you didnt spot it

            -http://tundratabloids.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/EU-poster-europe-4-all.jpg

          • Curious George

            @Leto – Greece’s problems stem from the failure to adhere to both of the above. Ireland’s problems arise from the over-extension of Irish banks in the property sector, and the subsequent govt rescue.
            It is not an appropriate comparison since one (Ireland) has nothing to do with EU constraints on govt. If anything, your example validates my statement that EU countries still have the freedom to decide on their own economic priorities.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            @CG:

            So do you say it’s a pure coincident that both countries are peripherial Euro zone countries and both countries are in a very deep economic s**t? 😀

            Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • Curious George

            No, Ireland’s crisis would have happened regardless of whatever currency they used. Greece could have lessened the impact by devaluing.
            The common currency helped alleviate their downturn by practically guaranteeing both countries a bailout.

          • Magyar

            Stupid monkey is now chimping out again for further destruction of Hungary.

            -http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2012/10/IMG_61011.jpg
            For a full summary of Monkey’s beliefs, see above ^

            I also want to return to an earlier topic.

            Hungarian girl:
            -http://www.thelovelyplanet.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Hungary_Tibor-Aknay.jpg?9d7bd4

            African “woman”
            -http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Mursi_woman.jpg

            Nope, no difference at all, they are both the same.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            @CG:

            Ireland did the very same thing as Britain did. Britain still survived the property price crash quite well. The British pound devalued below the Euro for a short time and now it’s 1.23.

            Centerum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • Curious George

            @Leto – Ireland’s property bubble was domestically driven, and less regulated (also allowing 100% mortgages). Britain’s property & financial markets are much larger, more regulated and relatively international. Also, the Economist Interactive chart shows that property prices in Ireland was 7x rental income, but in Britain it was only 4x.
            So, even if Ireland had an independent currency to devalue, you wont find a flood of foreigners rushing in to take up the slack in Dublin. Imagine the sort of devaluation Ireland would require.

            @Gaymar – You can keep on googling and ogling at all the hot Mursi women online, but I’m sure they wouldn’t touch a loser like you with a 10 foot spear. OK, maybe they might, if they were preparing dinner.

          • Magyar

            How did a monkey fall off a tree and learn to type anyway you excuse of a human being?

            Get the fuck out of Hungary, because it is too late for fucks like you.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            @CG:

            Come on, don’t make me laugh, Britain’s property bubble was also domestically driven and it was similarly regulated to Ireland’s. They had even 115% mortgages! 😀 The only thing I can accept in your post that they didn’t go to 7x yearly incomes indeed, they were somewhat 4x indeed. Size and international exposure, which wasn’t significant anyway, also don’t matter much. Spain’s bubble was international enough, wasn’t it? 🙂

            Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • Curious George

            @Leto – yes, you’re right about the 115% mortgages in the UK. I didn’t know about that.

            While property is undoubtedly a domestic issue, I think the international element in the UK makes a difference. If the bubble isn’t as big, and there are significant numbers of international buyers (eg Russians, Middle Easterners, Asians, who are not affected by the downturn), the sector could avoid tanking. While I know many non-Europeans with UK properties, I don’t know any who bought properties in Ireland (or Spain). Spain’s property bubble was even bigger than Ireland’s, with more new properties built there than in the rest of Europe combined. Moreover, Spain’s competitiveness is way below the UK’s. So, unlike the UK, I think Spain’s downturn is simply too large to be tempered by their foreign buyers (mainly Brits & others who probably require financing).

          • Leto مؤدّب

            @CG:

            Come on, that “international element” means only a small perturbation… in London. 😀 That crap about “competitiveness” is also baloney… Size doesn’t matter, of course. The only significantly different elements between the property bubbles and the side- and after-effects in Ireland and Britain, given a similar culture, work and tax ethics, etc., were the Euro vs. own currency and the mortgage values of 7 times vs. 4 times yearly incomes. (You meant that, not rental value, did you? )

            Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • Curious George

            @Leto – no, I don’t think the competitiveness issue is baloney. The worst performing Euro countries in deepest sh*t are those with the lowest competitiveness. Couple that to a property bubble, and they wouldn’t be able depreciate their currency enough to claw their way out. How much do you think Ireland & Spain would have to devalue? Britain’s downturn was alleviated by having
            a. a higher competitiveness (#8 ranking vs Ireland’s 27th & Spain’s 36th)
            b. a smaller property bubble (prices rose, but no oversupply)
            c. a larger international market taking up slack (I have about 10 classmates/colleagues with properties there, including 3 cousins, and my ex-boss even bought an entire building). I, too, thought of buying something (just before 9/11), despite only having visited the UK once. So yes, I would consider the international element a significant factor.
            ps. I think there are 2 valid ways to look at property prices (valuations against rentals or against wages), and there are figures for both in most major cities.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            @CG:

            Where were these purchases and where did you think of buying some property? In London or in its agglomeration, right?
            For mortgages meant to buy properties to live in, the wage basis is the better one, for mortgages meant to buy properties to rent, the rent fee basis is.
            I’m no economist but I simply don’t understand how “competitiveness” would alleviate a property bubble based on irresponsible lending.

            PS: Come and cheer for Viktor with me. You’d look good in this crowd with your nose bones, your grass-skirt and your spear. 😀 :p

            Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • Curious George

            @Leto – I brought up competitiveness to bring us back to the original subject whereby countries which maintain their competitiveness coped relatively well with adhering to EU rules. While not directly relevant to the property sector, a high competitiveness ensures that salaries can continue to remain high in order to cope with an economic &/or property downturn for extended periods.
            Almost all the purchases were in London or Manchester, with 2 in Hertfordshire & Oxford. I was actually looking at Sheffield, Manchester or Glasgow, but maybe also London if I found something within my budget. The property collapse in Narnia after 9/11 shelved everything as I bought my 1st home in Narnia 2 weeks before that.

            I’ll pass on cheering for OV. With all the national hysteria about defending the country, people may get the wrong idea about displaying my “national costume”. Thanks.

        • Leto مؤدّب

          @CG:

          No, there’s no “hysteria about defending the country” but we’re going to “defend the country”. Feel free to laugh if you want to.
          It was a big friendly crowd so you could have made people laugh only with your “national costume” (provided you made it obvious you were not mocking them). 🙂
          At one point there was a middle-aged French couple next to me. My spoken French wasn’t good enough to understand them but I was under the impression they wanted to see themselves what crowd cheers for Orbán and they wanted to feel the atmosphere and they had a good time.

          Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • Viking

            Leto مؤدّب says:
            October 23, 2012 at 7:35 pm

            At one point there was a middle-aged French couple next to me. My spoken French wasn’t good enough to understand them

            Of course they came to see French National Front MEP Bruno Gollnisch, who spoke at the “Jobbik” rally…

            -http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2012/10/jobbik-rally-at-deak-square-has-begun.html

            You have his speech there in French, so you can train to read French

            One can wonder why “Jobbik” keeps inviting this French anti-Arab party, supported by some J*ws in France, and which founder, Jean-Marie Le Pen, stated when he was here last time in Budapest on “Jobbik’s” invitation:

            * Trianon Peace Treaty – What was wrong with that?
            It was an example on good French policies, what we need more of today!

            But gullible trolls like ‘maygar’ will never remember, will never connect…

            * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

          • Magyar

            Viking has verbal diarrhea again.

          • Anonymous

            @Viking, Source Please for the Trianon quote.

          • Viking

            Well, you have to find a bit for yourself
            This is privileged info, never meant for the public, but you can always read up on what Csurka István wrote in Magyar Fórum, ´96. október 24:
            -http://magyarnarancs.hu/belpol/franciazas_a_kossuth_teren_a_nap_amikor_hadat_uzentunk_a_kajman-szigeteknek-61525

            * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

  • Alex

    Orbán again attacks EU welfare state, calls for “full-fledged reorganization” of European societies.
    A big silence at first after reading this ….had to digest this incredible arrogance from the leader of a government which didn’t accomplish anything at all for the Hungarian people…but instead was exclusively occupied with manipulating himself and his cronies in a position to steal the country blind. People are struggling more and more to survive. Hungary is economically doing the worst in the region. And than he still has the nerve to lecture other nations.

    From VO speech….
    “once we have to answer the question, why the populist, extremist forces are the ones to become stronger during the crisis? Why do not we benefit from it? Why do extremist forces appear to be able to solve the people’s problem, and why the desperate, hopeless, crisis-hit people don’t believe the same about us?

    Sh*t….why the populist, extremist forces …Fidesz is the populist extremist force! And even worse….the desperate,hopeless, crisis-hit people are still coming up with enough support for Fidesz to keep the party relatively high in the opinion polls, against all odds.

    “We have to make it clear that only EPP has been so far able to successfully overcome historic challenges. And this is the case today as well. “….and another lie. The social democratic parties together with liberal parties did a much better job than this bunch of anti-democrats who are running Hungary right now.

    • Leto مؤدّب

      @rotten postcommie bastard:

      You missed the time a bit. It was Gyurcsány, and to a lesser extent Bajnai, who were exclusively occupied with manipulating themselves and their cronies in a position to steal the country blind. That’s why they were busted so thoroughly in 2010.

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

      • Aloof

        Always the finger pointing kool aid drinker. Alex wasn’t talking about Gyurcsany or Bajnai, he was talking about your lying little midget hero who is taking Hungary down a path that it may take potentially decades to recover from; both economically and socially.

        All the people of Hungary got when they elected OV and Fidesz was the changing of the guard in regards who’s robbing the country blind and replacing one set of elites with another.

        BTW… the economy is WORSE than the way Gyurcsany and Bajnai left it to your boy.

        You’re not fooling anyone puppet.

        • Leto مؤدّب

          Of course your postcommie bastard buddy wasn’t talking Gyurcsany or Bajnai. A (post)commie is always accusing others of those crimes they commit themselves.
          Your drooling doesn’t matter anymore, you’ve revealed yourself. The only thing I don’t quite understand is why you still post on this site after your leaving Hungary at last and why you don’t concentrate on the approaching hurricanes instead. 🙂

          Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • Aloof

            Your drooling doesn’t matter anymore,

            Yours never did…

      • Alex

        @ Leto
        “@rotten postcommie bastard” Why didn’t you say friggin’ “J*w*sh liberal activist also…or fag…or FYI….My god! And you are actually paid for this? The only positive thing about you is that you are a perfect example of the Fidesz mentality. You racist jerk and manipulative bastard.

        • Leto مؤدّب

          Because I’ve got no information about that if you’re a J*w*sh liberal activist or if you are a fag. The only information I have about you is that you’re a rotten postcommie bastard. On the other hand that’s dead sure.

          Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

  • Alex

    It is dead sure that you are a racist though. Who else would use the adjective J*w*sh while trying to finger point a respectable critic of this stupid street gang called the Hungarian government.

    • Leto مؤدّب

      @rotten postcommie bastard:

      Did you call Feringhetti a “respectable critic” of the Hungarian government? 😀

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

      • Aloof

        No, you did.

        • Leto مؤدّب

          No, I called him a “J*w*sh liberal activist”, a phrase taken from his Wikipedia page. He calls himself “a philosophical anarchist”.

          Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

      • Alex

        “@rotten postcommie bastard
        Did you call Feringhetti a “respectable critic” of the Hungarian government?”

        Knowing you, you are probably talking to me.

        Yep I did because he is. A man of integrity! Far more intelligent than you. Not being bribed, did not accept the money unlike you. You are a paid never-mind. (Why on earth are they so stupid (Fidesz) to pay this low-brain called Leto?)

        • Leto مؤدّب

          Yeah, I was. I call a spade a spade and I call rotten postcommie bastards as rotten postcommie bastards.

          Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

          • Tyrantino

            It’s so cool to see that Hungarian people with Down Syndrome can learn to type.

            It’s also great to see that you use your extra chromosome to the fullest to have your own opinion and share it online with the world.

            Leto, my retarded buddy, don’t let people fool you. The fairy tale is happening -it’s already out there- but for now only people with trisomy 21 can see it.

          • esquimo

            @L**o, and you are an arrogant megalomaniac.

      • Tyrantino

        Leto, please take asap some Hungarian made pills to stop your mental retardation symptoms… Let’s pray that it’s not too late!

  • Viking

    Leto مؤدّب says:
    October 19, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    A (post)commie is always accusing others of those crimes they commit themselves

    So who is responsible for the performance of the Hungarian economy from May 2010 until now?

    Who is responsible that the 5 year CDS is still way over how it was in March 2010 on 190 and the HUF/EUR rate was between 260-265?

    Just simple questions…

    * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

  • Focus on the bigger picture

    Too bad. Today’s commentary string (above) started out on an intellectually debatable platform but soon manifested itself to the usual and admittedly, sometimes comical name calling. There was a time, when one of the methods to come to a sustainable agreement was to bring the parties involved together, have them in a room, lock the doors and not open them until a joint and acceptable consensus was met. It is clear that in H, this is today still an impossibility and in the EU many years in the past. Pressing the reset button, thus, allowing the financial crises to tumble on a world geographical schedule, that has a monopolistic recovery order, is a reality that we are told/coerced to soon accept but never to understand.
    As stated > “in every European member state, there are people who believe their country can survive alone in the globalised world. It is more than an illusion — it is a lie.” H is caught here, dancing on embers, yet again. The only difference that I see in the reset schedule is that there is now in place a dimmer switch instead of just a red button on which the weight of the large hand grows day by day. The dimmer switch gives a temporary and dilusional control of the intensity if the inevitable. H in it’s own way, must see a way to protect it’s proprieties. Like the Pilot fish, that, when the shark swims closer to the surface, cleans and caresses it from bacteria and parasites, so the shark may retreat to the “quiet” colder depths. It is a balance of mutual necessity and survival.
    So, keep talking, keep arguing, keep cussing at each other, but, with a survivalist baseline. Good luck to us all.

    • Leto مؤدّب

      There’s no other way than calling names to deal with those who did rob the country blind and now they accuse those who try to clear up the ruins of “stealing the country blind”. These are not oppononents, they are enemies and they must be dealt with accordingly.

      Ceterum censeo MSZP delendum est.

      • Tyrantino

        Oh my god, here we have this idiot with his Trinucleotide repeat disorder again.

      • MagyarViking

        Leto مؤدّب says:
        October 19, 2012 at 5:03 pm

        accuse those who try to clear up the ruins

        No one is accusing Fidesz for “clear up the ruins”
        Fidesz is accused on *failing” to “clear up the ruins”

        That is a big difference

        Fidesz version is to burn down the place to the ground and the claiming “the EU/IMF made us do it!”

        Even if I never liked Fidesz after I saw what the did 98-02, I could not imagine that they would be such extreme failures, so non-pragmatic, such fundamentalists, that they would really burn down the house…

        It is so bad I sometimes hope that “Jobbik” wins the next Government, so the downfall accelerates into total oblivion

        * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

  • esquimo

    megtalaltam a Fidesz indulot!

    ….aki nem lep egyszerre, nem kap retest estere. Mert a retes nagyon jo, Orbaneknak ez valo

    bal-jobb, bal-jobb, ba….. bocsanat, jobb-jobb, jobb-jobb…..

  • Viking

    Leto مؤدّب says:
    October 21, 2012 at 2:40 am

    I’m now convinced that Hungary should never ever introduce Euro and she should always find a pretext not to do so like Sweden did.

    Well, you never need to “find a pretext not to do so like Sweden did”
    You just do not join…yet

    In Sweden there is consensus among the parties that represent minimum 75% of the population that the Euro should be introduced
    I would expect the same figure is valid for Hungary, mostly depending how big “Jobbik” is

    It is a big operation and it has to be planned carefully and in the current situation an addition is not to happen very soon by any member state

    When the Banking Union, the Finance Union and some other integrating measurements have been successfully implemented, I surely believe we will see more member states join the EU

    In the end the UK has to decide if it want to stay in the EU, but maybe the break-up of UK will happen before that…?
    (-http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9270749/Britain-forced-to-leave-EU-if-Scotland-separates.html)

    * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

  • wolfi

    Everybody should read this for a good laugh:

    -http://www.petitions24.com/support_hungary

    “The European Union, the United Nations, the IMF, and the leftist media hysterically attack Orban’s governmenT …”

    I wonder who wrot/translated this – with gems like:

    ” the government has withdrawn financial support from money-mongering churches.”

    Even the UN ?

  • Viking

    Magyar says:
    October 21, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    -http://tundratabloids.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/EU-poster-europe-4-all.jpg

    If we check where ‘maygar’ found his picture, the ‘tundratabloids’ is an extreme pro-Isr**land anti-Arab site, which does not refrain from forging photos, like this one they inderect claim is what Ship-To-Gaza used:
    -http://tundratabloids.com/2012/10/finn-swede-sea-hitler-estelle-carried-no-humanitarian-aid-for-gaza.html

    It is of course not true, the Estelle looks like this:
    -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SV_Estelle
    “In 2012 the Estelle was sold to Swedish interests for an attempt to break the Gaza blockade”

    So, I would wait with any comments, both on this story and the Wallenberg school, until there are some direct information from the accused parties

    It is a reason why Szent Korona Radio releases this piece on a Sunday, so no one can refute it and not so much is happening

    * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

    • Magyar

      Dutch website

      -http://www.dagelijksestandaard.nl/2012/10/tolerantie-eu-stijl-hamer-en-sikkel

      -http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100185609/you-thought-the-whole-eussr-thing-was-over-the-top-have-a-look-at-this-poster/

      telegraph

      How about that you fucking piece of shit?

      • Viking

        Yes, they all write about that picture, but where is the background to the picture
        Who has given it out, in which campaign
        No trace of it, just an unsigned picture/poster without any exact reference where it is hanging

        * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

  • Viking

    Curious George says:
    October 21, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    @Gaymar – You can keep on googling and ogling at all the hot Mursi women online, but I’m sure they wouldn’t touch a loser like you with a 10 foot spear

    You are really sure about that:
    -http://i.imgur.com/Us50q.jpg

    Personally I think ‘maygar’ looks rather hoot…the question is just as what?

    * The Fidesz-controlled Hungarian State News Agency MTI lies to us using tax payers money

    • Magyar

      Is that a picture of your “mother”, or your “other father”, since you were adopted by a mixed race gay couple?

    • Curious George

      @Viking – Wow, I stand corrected. How can a Mursi woman resist Magyar when he looks like that? He might even turn on a few Mursi men.

  • DoubleH63

    @Tyrantino

    ”It’s so cool to see that Hungarian people with Down Syndrome can learn to type.”

    It’s so cool to see that so many J8ws were able to escape those ugly gassing facilities.

  • esquimo

    You may grab a gun and kill all of them. It would make you happy as long as you are safe. Do you dream about being a mass murderer? I think you do.

    • DoubleH63

      @esquimo

      You are a dumb fuck, aren’t you?
      [Btw nice nick, try to sound French? Olga, as a Canadian maybe can help you with the correct spelling… well, maybe not.]

      • esquimo

        Hello, double****,

        I am not trying to sound French, I spell my nickname as I want.

        But as to yours…. you selected Double because of the size of your girth, and the number because of your IQ?

        In spite of all this, I won’t call you a dumb fuck only because I never use that kind of language.

  • olga

    @ esquimo

    our posting makes no sense because a gun is not capable of murdering millions of people so let me interpret for you:

    Double is bitter that he was born too late and could not ensure that everyone including babies and children who was J*ewish, Roma and gay did not meet the same fate as the 11 million who did. Sucks that he was born too late when he knows in his heart assuming he has one, that he could have done a better job than H*itler

    Can’t hate God for the mix up in his year of birth so fortunately for him , there are still J*ews, Roma and gays to hate in Hungary and a plethora of other minorities in the USA, so he has to settle for “less”.

  • DoubleH63

    @olga
    I see those demons really did a number on you this time (who was it, Crowley – he is a bad one, although he is kind of cool?) Shoved your crystal ball way up there, it must be spinning around in your head now to come up with gems like your latest.
    Eh… Tired of explaining shit to people…

    • esquimo

      @IQ 63, you wrote to Olga: “Shoved your crystal ball way up there, it must be spinning around in your head now to come up with gems like your latest.”

      This sounds like marquis de Sade. Sado-erotic fantasy.

    • Curious George

      @Esquimo – HH69 is just an envious, sad, disgusting Hungarian. If he posts here, he doesn’t really have anything to contribute, but only wants to rant. Let him have his 15 seconds, and just scroll to the bottom of his post.

  • olga

    @ Double

    You can be as insulting to me personally as you wish because it will not negate nor mitigate those posting of yours and no one is stupid enough around here and judge them by my comments since your opinions speak volumes for themselves – your postings are not like the Hungarian articles that are translated into English and something gets lost in the translation and the messages have different meanings

    When once again you start being sarcastic about gas
    chambers and the number of human beings who perished or escaped, then it’s time for me to speak up and not just call you names which I try to stay away as a rule.

    Re: “tired of explaining shit to people” – You just reviewed your own explanation, but feel free to clarify “the numbers” that you are so obsessed with and constantly referring to , but you won’t – just like you post Hungarian phrases and unlike Leto, you don’t translate them – ah, the little games you like to play. Not cute

    Hope you are tired enough not to respond with curses, crudeness or letting me know how dumb I am – been there, done that so save your energy

  • DoubleH63

    @esquimo

    “I spell my nickname as I want.”

    Or maybe as you can, eh? Just like those persecuted Gypsies in Nagykanizsa? [Is it time for them to be evacuated to Csillebérc?] Writing hateful things in the name of Hittler.

    This ugly racism has to stop!

    The latest happened in the State of Louisiana – KKK burning a black (sorry, Negro…damn, that’s a candy…Nigger… damn again, that’s an inappropriate word used by a racist like Mark Twain…kaffir…damn, wrong Continent…Help me God… or Dr. Duke! Anyhoo, the police said, people should pray for her. (Those ugly racists don’t want to be found out as secret KKK members.)

    “you selected Double because of the size of your girth, and the number because of your IQ?”

    Man, you are good! Teachings of Sherlock Holmes perhaps? Well, almost. Actually my IQ is only 36, I was only bloating it to 63. I hope that’s a bit just under genius level, isn’t it? I did not want to go overboard – we couldn’t be all Kálmán Olga.

    • esquimo

      IQ63 your 1:33 message has diagnostic importance. Shows your serious condition.

      I will not hurt you. I am really sorry for you, but have to give you up as a hopeless case.

  • esquimo

    Shoved your crystal ball way up there, it must be spinning around in your head now to come up with gems like your latest.” This is what IQ63 wrote to Olga.

    Have you read this *****sentence in a marquis de Sade book? Your sado-erotic fantasies are sick.

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