January 8th, 2013

Deputy PM joins outcry against anti-Roma remarks by leading Fidesz figure Bayer

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Deputy Prime Minister Tibor Navracsics has condemned an article by journalist Zsolt Bayer, a member of the ruling party, whose content has been slammed as anti-Roma.

Fidesz has no room for anyone “who labels a group of people as animals”, Navracsics told commercial television ATV in an interview late on Monday.

Navracsics said that an article by Bayer, published in Magyar Hirlap daily at the weekend, contained “sentiments offensive to democracy, defying Fidesz’s democratic principles of community”.

Navracsics said that he “deeply” condemned Bayer’s remarks and added that “nobody must be put in a category based on his origin”.

Commenting on a recent stabbing in a village south of Budapest involving suspected Roma assailants, wrote in Saturday’s Magyar Hirlap that “most Gypsies are unsuitable for co-existence, unsuitable for living among people. These Gypsies are animals and act as animals … they should not be tolerated or understood but punished.”

On New Year’s Eve two junior athletes were stabbed at a club in Szigethalom, a village south of Budapest. One of them is in critical condition and the other also suffered injuries requiring hospital treatment.

An attack was alleged to have taken place before a fight that preceded the stabbing. One of the suspected attackers, a 17-year-old man, has been arrested.

Bajnai calls for left-right unity; DK for criminal probe

Also on Monday, former prime minister Gordon Bajnai called on “democrats both on the right and left” to join forces and protest Bayer’s comments.

Bajnai, head of the Patriotism and Progress Association, said in a statement that Bayer had “smeared the reputation” of the ruling Fidesz party, of which he is a founding member, and of that Prime Minister Viktor Orban.

“Hungary justly expects them to remove the stain,” Bajnai said. “Fidesz should clearly indicate whether it allows people advocating such racist and hatred-inciting ideologies to remain as party members.”

The leftist Democratic Coalition (DK) party on Monday called on the public prosecutor to launch an investigation into Bayer’s anti-Roma statements, and called on other parties and civil organisations to join in a demonstration next Sunday to demand that Fidesz withdraw Bayer’s membership.

DK politician Agnes Vadai, an independent deputy, called it “repulsive that (Bayer) … Prime Minister Viktor Orban’s friend has incited genocide in a clear, deliberate and pre-meditated way.”

The green party LMP earlier on Monday also lambasted Bayer for “inciting hatred” against Hungary’s Roma community.

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  • Bowen

    In a normal country, the PM would also say something, instead of hiding away like a little rat with his fetid friends.

    • Vidra

      In a year’s time he’s going to need every vote he can find, so it’s better for him to keep the racists happy in Fidesz than drive them over to Jobbik

  • Paul

    Leto thought it was a nice picture.

    Now….because it is so nice…wouldn’t it be a great idea to put this image on the
    governments website…I mean the English version…..just to illustrate Bayers comment.

    To see what the reactions will be from the international press and governments leaders.

    BTW, Leto, you agree with Bayer don’t you? Can you repeat what he said?

    • szebbjovot

      So what did he say that was so bad?

    • Leto مؤدّب

      No, I cannot repeat it. But I’m sure you can. I mean you can surely produce some distortion of it.

      • Paul

        Fidesz has no room for anyone “who labels a
        group of people as animals”, Navracsics told commercial television
        ATV in an interview late on Monday.

        Navracsics said that an article by Bayer,
        published in Magyar Hirlap daily at the weekend, contained
        “sentiments offensive to democracy, defying Fidesz’s democratic
        principles of community”.
        The distortion is????

        • szebbjovot

          Navracsics should be fired immediately.

          Anyway, Bayer is part Jewish, so he is not under the normal “freedom of speech rules”, but he can say what he wants. If you object to it you are an anti-semite. That is and liberal Jewish logic 101 for you.

          • Paul

            LOL

        • Bowen

          Leto, and many other Fidesz puppets, marched behind Zsolt Bayer, the Fidesz apparatchik, in the three Birkamenet. Sorry, I meant to say Bekemenet.

          Now, the deputy PM is saying that Fidesz has no room for anyone who says what Zsolt Bayer said.

          Can you imagine the terrible confusion in Leto’s brain???

          • Paul

            Yep…I am happy about it.

        • Leto مؤدّب

          I disagree and I’m disappointed in Mr. Navracsics. He also said in that ATV interview he hasn’t read the article. Now I have read it and it’s all fine.

  • Guest

    So what did he say that was so bad?

    • Ricsi

      He his an half-chosen one who uses the word ‘animal’ to describe a minority,now I do not like gypsies and agree we have a massive gypsy crime problem,but to call them animals is straight out of the talmud,where we are all goyim animals to the chosen ones.

      • King David

        If only people be aware that the jews occupying Israel originally spoke Yiddish and have not connection to the Biblical Hebrews, only in the 1950’s was the language enforced in Israel and Yiddish banned…

        • PiLiS

          Dude ! Now this is terrible and i feel for you ! My deepest sympathy to your mother too and give her a bubble gum and the kiss of your fire. Get lost shish kebab !

      • PiLiS

        Ricsi, I see you still don’t get the point ! It’s – honestly – not your fault, but let me put it this way who the hack care who said, where and what ? Even If the mother of the criminal say it to the her son…so be it, more power to her, what’s the difference ? The most import. thing SHOULD be this :
        “the worms are out of the can”, don’t try to put them back in and this is exact. where we’re going ! Why, because everybody shot-up !
        And that’s WRONG !
        What this so called investigator reporters are talking still today is :
        What is the ” Gypsy ” and how do he feels to be one ?
        How many ” gypsy groups ” we got out there ?
        There are any gypsies with blue-eyes ?

        Why are we ?….bull-sh1ting around !!!!!
        If there are the svábs are the criminals than there is a sváb animal, if tót than the tót is an animal !
        Today we still dancing on stupidity like “What is the meaning of Gypsy ” ? than it’s ” over ” ! We as society we’re finished !
        Unleash the police , the real reporters and of course lot more, maybe teachers…. but for start it’s not bad !
        Don’t unleash the “Social-enginers”, Lawyers, Psychologists and Community organizers !
        I don’t know exact., but smthg. like that !

      • Bobby

        Your brain has gone through the spin cycle

  • Géza

    ““Hungary justly expects them to remove the stain,” Bajnai said.” The problem with those left wing/ liberal guys, that they always look into the wrong direction. The stain has to be removed, correct, but that is not mr. Bayer, who speaks the truth about a very serious matter that is getting worse. Hungarians have to protect themselfes against gypsy criminals….

    • PiLiS

      We need more unquarantined “journalist / S” -or get our young invest.reporters ! And unleashed, them it !

      We
      don’t know the answer to that many questions IF we just “dancing with
      Gyurcsány ” around the Parliament ’till Armageddon comes !

      The Media have to be changed ! Big time changed !

      Kicking
      the can around will create dust and that’s nice, cute, cuter and cutest
      -but never mind that, the real tragedy will come later, with the lot
      more little cans…

      Exactly Gents. we got one more of that little can , the Bayer can,

      what we don’t need, this is getting pathetic !

      Inst.
      of let the question solved they, the old “regime” quicksandish gurus
      want him hung and high ! Don’t isolate — S O L V E !

  • Ali Babar

    The truth is sometimes painfull. We have the same problems in Sweden with roam. But fortunatelyu we don´t have so many as you.

  • Pete H.

    For those that do not get what is wrong with what Bayer wrote take this in.

    “most Hungarians are unsuitable for co-existence, unsuitable for living among people. These Hungarians are animals and act as animals … they should not be tolerated or understood but punished.”

    This is how Hungarians would be labeled if most were judged based on the likes of the Bayer’s and Gyöngyösi’s of Hungary.

    • szebbjovot

      Nobody has to coexist with us, I would be OK with a 100% Hungarian Carpathian Basin.

      • Pete H.

        Then you will never be alright. Your Hungarist delusion is a pathetic waste of Hungary’s potential.

        • szebbjovot

          What’s wrong with a homogenous nation?? Even Israel is trying to achieve this

          • Procastinator

            Israel is 75 % jewish while Hungary is 93% Hungarian ,( not related bit Sweden is 80.6% pure Swedish ) you do notice the slight difference there ? maybe you don’t so I can help you , there is 21 times more Christians in Israel then there is Jews in Hungary 0.1% about 80k vs 2.1% , In Israel .

            About 20.5 % of Israels population is Arab , compared to Hungary
            Hungarians: 9,416,045 or 93.2%
            Roma: 190,046 or 1.9%
            Germans: 62,233 or 0.6%
            Slovaks: 17,693 or 0.17%
            Croats: 15,620 or 0.15%
            Romanians: 7,995 or 0.08%
            Other nationalities in Hungary: 20 473 (0,2%)
            Foreign nationality: 16 081 (0,16%)
            No answer, unknown: 570 537 (5,6%)

            Israel took in about 60.000 refugees in the past 2 years , ( sure they handle it badly ) but in comparison sweden has a 1600-1900 refugee quota a year ,,,

            if Isreal was half as Homogenous as Hungary is ,it might not have been on the news ever day , and maybe you would not be as obsessed with it .

            and if you so much want to be like Israel , you should consider importing 1.5 million more gypsies from neighboring countries , then you can start talking about being homogenous :-)

          • ViktorOrban

            More gypsies in Hungary… sounds like a great plan if we can get EU funds for it.

          • Ricsi

            Idiot,your argument collapses completely because Hungary is not an artificial country created out of occupying and expelling its original inhabitants,aka Nakba 48,your Israel is a false country created for criminal elements to operate from with impunity-but it cannot last LOL

          • Procastinator

            not my country and every bit as real as any other country , well that depends what your definition of country is , if it is the same as the rest of humanity or you have your own little pathetic notion , , if you do we are really not interest :-) Hungary has lived about 20 years not under someones control and looks like it is collapsing , maybe you should ask Austria to govern you again , you nob .

          • Procastinator

            just looked up countries that don’t recognize Israel , here is the list

            Algeria, Bangladesh, Brunei, Djibouti, Iran, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya,
            Malaysia, Pakistan, Qatar,Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, United Arab Emirates, Yemen, Venezuela
            Chad, Comoros, Guinea, Mali, Niger, The Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic of Western Sahara , Cuba, Taiwan, North Korea,
            Afghanistan, Bhutan, Maldives, Brunei & Indonesia.

            this is 16% of the worlds countries ,Ricsi you are in great company :-)

          • Bobo

            20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs. Also, there was NEVER a Hungarian majority in ANY county of Transylvania in the 20th century. Check the Teleki map.

          • Procastinator

            Israel is 75 % jewish while Hungary is 93% Hungarian ,( not related but Sweden is 80.6% pure Swedish ) you do notice the slight difference there ?

            Maybe you don’t so I can help you.

            There is 21 times more Christians in Israel then there is Jews in Hungary 0.1% about 80k vs 2.1% , In Israel .

            About 20.5 % of Israels population is Arab ,

            compared to Hungary

            Hungarians: 9,416,045 or 93.2%
            Roma: 190,046 or 1.9%
            Germans: 62,233 or 0.6%
            Slovaks: 17,693 or 0.17%
            Croats: 15,620 or 0.15%
            Romanians: 7,995 or 0.08%
            Other nationalities in Hungary: 20 473 (0,2%)
            Foreign nationality: 16 081 (0,16%)
            No answer, unknown: 570 537 (5,6%)

            Israel
            took in about 60.000 refugees in the past 2 years , ( sure they handle it badly ) but in comparison sweden has a 1600-1900 refugee quota a year ,,,

            if Israel was half as Homogenous as Hungary is ,it might not
            have been on the news ever day , and maybe you would not be as obsessed
            with it .

            and if you so much want to be like Israel ,

            you should consider importing 1.5 million more gypsies from neighboring countries , then you can start talking about being homogenous :-)

        • szebbjovot

          PS I am certainly not a Hungarist scum, and I dislike many aspects of their ideology, and I detest Neo Hungaristas.

          • Pete H.

            Yet you would be OK with a 100% Hungarian Carpathian Basin.

            Who gets to decide who is Hungarian? You do realize that there are no pure Hungarians. After all you are not a Hungarist.

          • szebbjovot

            What is wrong with a strong, united homogeneous nation?

            Why do there NEED to be minorities

  • Paul

    The governments website:
    Minister Navracsics spoke on ATV television about the district system and the recent comments made by Zsolt Bayer

    January 8, 2013 7:05 PM

    The Minister for Public Administration and Justice explained the launching of the district system on ATV television’s Egyenes beszéd (“Straight Talk”) programme
    on Monday. With relation to Zsolt Bayer’s article on the Roma, published on Saturday, the Deputy Prime Minister stated that in his opinion the article makes fun of every democratic community principle that we believe in.

    Tibor Navracsics added that nobody may be classified into one category or another based on their ethnic origin; everyone must be measured according to their individual performance and individual acts, and this has nothing to do with
    where they may otherwise belong with regard to their ethnicity,
    religion, denomination or sex. He made it clear that anyone who
    believes that a group of people are animals has no place in the
    community.

    The English version of the governments website that is. The Hungarian version?

  • Leto مؤدّب

    Attila Lakatos, a well-known and respected Gypsy leader (“cigányvajda”) agreed to what Bayer wrote when he was asked about the latest bestial murder in Ózd:

    “This is unforgivable. One must say that yes, this kind of Gypsies are animals indeed. I cannot say anything else about them.”

    http://mno.hu/belfold/elozetesben-az-ozdi-gyilkossag-gyanusitottai-1130436

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