January 31st, 2013

Hungary’s first “final sentence” for Holocaust denial includes forced visit to memorial, ban on attending political rallies

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The first sentence meted out for Holocaust denial in Hungary has become final, business weekly HVG said on Thursday.

Upholding the ruling of the lower court, the Budapest Court sentenced the culprit to 18 months in prison, suspended for three years, and put him under probation supervision.

The 42-year old attended a demonstration on October 23, 2011, and held up a banner with the Hebrew-language inscription: “The Holocaust did not happen”.

The man is obliged to visit the Holocaust Memorial Centre in Budapest’s Pava Street (above left) at least three times and sum up his ideas on the basis of what he sees there. As an alternative, he may visit the Auschwitz memorial site or Yad Vashem in Jerusalem for the same purpose.

He was also banned from attending demonstrations and other political events.

The denial of genocides committed by the Nazi regime was declared a crime by the Hungarian Parliament in February 2010. Three months later the denial of crimes against humanity committed during the communist era was also qualified as a crime.

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  • Ricsi

    Voltaire: To learn who rules over you,simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
    Emile Zola: If the truth is buried underground,it swells and grows and becomes so explosive that the day it bursts, it blows everything wide open along with it.
    Maurice Samuels (jew): We jews are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers.Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs.We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own.
    Anon: Anti-semitism is another word for not been blind to truth.
    Truth is hate to those who hate truth-ME

    A real martyr punished for expressing reasonable doubts to the orthodox ‘truth’ shame on the court systrem,but what goes round will come round :()

    • wolfi

      Ricsi: I am a Nazi idiot and I’m showing it by posting this nonsense here …

      • szebbjovot

        So Wolfi, were you in the Hitlerjugend?

        • wolfi

          Gaymar, you don’t know the concept of quoting someone, do you ?

          BTW, the quote attributed to Voltaire is from this infamous Nazi and sex offender: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Alfred_Strom

          • szebbjovot

            How is your idiotic comment relevant to what I said? I did not quote anybody.
            I asked you a question you hypocrite, you whine about patriots in Hungary, while it was you Krauts who were ruled by Hitler and not us.

        • Ricsi

          No,he was too young and now he represents that totally brain washed,guilt complex post war German generation-an example of the demise of a great nation. Thats why he took his money and came here abandoning his ‘homeland’but still spouts his liberal crap.

          • wolfi

            FYI:

            We spend about a month here in Hungary and the next month in Germany – because my wife likes the Black Forest and prefers the company of nice Germans to your kind of Nazi loonie.

            Even if you’re a minority – there’s still too many of you …

    • Vándorló

      Ricsi: The first quote is certainly not from Voltaire. Is your French as bad as your Hungarian, then?

      He doesn’t seem to have received any punishment worthy of the epithet you give him. Your “martyr” didn’t express any doubt, just certainty.

      • Ricsi

        Good to see you back,he who knows everything LOL.

        Okay who actually said : ‘The bigger the lie,the more people will believe it’
        ?? Go on,genius half Irish gypsy,astound me again :)

        • Vándorló

          @Ricsi: Another racist and Holocaust denier, Kevin Alfred Strom, ref.: National Vanguard, “Jewish Truth (and Jewish Jokes)”, 1/6/2011.

          I guess you lot just cut and paste this stuff without even thinking whether it has any veracity.

          NB, Please stop with the quoting stuff now. Most people know how search engines work now, so digging up a pithy phrase is pretty 2002. If you want to impress quote the original, from the source and provide that along with it as well as some semblance of commentary that attempts to mimic intelligent discourse.

          • Ricsi

            I dont seek to impress,unlike you.
            I just want people to see the hypocrisy of news items such as this.
            Now grow up or just swoon to your limited fan club.

      • justasking

        @Vándor,
        Olga called me to tell me you’re back…God help me from admitting this in public; but, I found myself missing you and your one liners…now, if we could only find bobs and Pava, all would be complete again on poli.hu. :)
        Hope all is well with you.

    • Pete H.

      You scum. You misquoted Samuels: “We Jews are accused of being destroyers: whatever you put up, we tear down. It is true only in a relative sense. We are not iconoclasts deliberately: we are not enemies of your institutions simply because of the dislike between us. We are a homeless mass seeking satisfaction for our constructive instincts. And in your institutions we cannot find satisfaction.”

      • Ricsi

        Jew scum,same question to you: Who actually said “The bigger the lie,the more people will believe it” ??
        If you know the answer you will not dare reply LOL

        • Ricsi

          OOps,typo error ‘jew scum’ ‘you scum’-still much the same thing ??? If you are not jew then i withdraw that insult without hesitation because i know how such a slur would hurt a non jew.

          • Pete H.

            Yeah a typo because Jew and you have almost identical spelling. There is nothing you can say that I would find insulting. You have no weight in my world.

          • Ricsi

            Then for once we are in agreeance,for you are nothing in my realistic world.

        • Pete H.

          Not a Jew, but it is hard for your type to imagine that someone can have empathy for someone from another ethnic or religious group. Nor do I find being called a Jew an insult.

          You live live in such an impervious bubble that you can not even recognize fabricated quotes when you see them.

          Ironic too that your Nazi heros are the true destroyers and not the Jews they persecuted.

          Answer: Joseph Goebbels, Die Tagebücher. Geschichte & Vermarktung

          And this is the full quote “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

          • wolfi

            Yeah, leto has learned a lot from Goebbels …

          • Ricsi

            WRONG :)you took a long time looking on wiki and still got it wrong,beautiful ! Answer-German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer who stated that the ‘jews were the great masters of lies’

            Even jew Kissinger said ‘ It is not a matter of what is true that counts but a matter of what is percieved to be true’

            I guess truth does not translate well into hebrew :)

            Here is another Voltaire for gypsy irish wanderer ‘History is fables agreed upon.

          • Pete H.

            You do realize that Schopenhauer was deeply anti-Jewish? And so what if there are examples of some Jews that did evil. The fact that you use these anecdotes from Jews (or supposed Jews) to support your negative attitudes towards all Jews just shows what a weak minded bigot you are.

          • Ricsi

            I have worked for jxws,i have lived amongst them in UK,I know how your lot think.Never to be trusted.

          • Pete H.

            You are insane.

          • Paul Katz

            You have worked for Jews, eh? Is it too much that as an employee they expected you to have brains and a work ethic. Stop complaining and find another job. Perhaps you can get hired as the guy who draws swastikas for Jobbik.

          • wolfi

            Schopenhauer was equally anti-Christian and anti-Muslim – for him the idea of a “personal god” was ridiculous …
            He was a pessimist – the world is the worst thinkable place, so Nietzsche and Freud built on his ideas

          • stanlee98

            “You do realize that Schopenhauer was deeply anti-Jewish?”
            So what? Maybe he could not find many good reasons to be pro-Jewish. Maybe one day Jews will come to the obvious conclusion why so many people dislike them, and look at their own attitude and behavior as the source of the problem. I don’t expect that to happen any time soon, they will keep blaming the rest of the world for being “anti-semite” for no reason. The bad news is that it’s working, they can get away with murder, and no one dares to tell the truth any more. Even the UN is powerless, Jews will ignore every resolution they don’t like. The last one they agreed to was the destruction of Palestine to create the artificial state of Israel.
            What a dumb idea that turned out to be…

          • ricsi

            My reply was censored LOL, so much for free speech here. The truth is philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer, many,many years before.He also said the jxw is ‘the great master of lies’

  • szebbjovot

    So what was Vidra saying? Something about Fidesz allowing antisemitism? This sentence breaks all morals and acceptable law.

    • Vidra

      There’s a question of degree between prosecuting holocause denial and not acting against racist chanting at a football match or graffiti on Jewish memorials but I wasn’t expecting this. And it’s totally legal. In Europe there is no absolute right of free speech.

    • Pete H.

      In a democracy the judiciary and the parliamentarians are independent institutions that provide balance. This was not Fidesz’s ruling.

  • Aloof

    The man’s name is Gyorgy Nagy. Curious why MTI wrote this item in this fashion. Not to piss off Jobbik aficionados that they use like a Hungarian condom? Jobbik is played like a violin by Fidesz and will drop them like a brick once they’re through with them.

    • Ricsi

      We at Jobbik have no game with Fidesz,it is they who will drop like a brick at the next election.

      • Leto مؤدّب

        Have you seen the polls, made by various companies. recently? :D It’s your Jobbik which has been dropping like a brick.

        • Ricsi

          Yeah right,just wait and see !!

          • szebbjovot

            Many Hungarians are still too brainwashed to vote for Jobbik. A repeat of 1919 anti commie revolution, except today it will be an anti postcommie revolution.

          • szebbjovot

            Here is what I am talking about:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9RKZ3A5sJ0

            Just imagine the look on the faces of postcommie mafia once they are chased out of Hungary back to where they belong.

          • Pete H.

            You shame Hungary by posting a link to a video that shows Christian Hungarians torturing Jewish Hungarians, while projecting onto the present. In one scene a man is dragged by a horse. In another several men are tied naked to a table while they are beaten with switches. You are proud of the White Terror. You are a very very sick person. (And I expect you will say something about the Red Terror. Both were equally evil and anyone who glorifies either shameful period of Hungarian history is a very sad person.) Better tomorrow is your big lie.

          • szebbjovot

            You idiotic moron, first of all, if I am not mistaken then that is a commie propaganda film, just look at the awful effects, lol.

            Secondly, what makes you think they are Jewish you idiot?
            And the White “Terror” was certainly not an evil period in Hungarian history, but an excellent period when the country was purified from many Communists.

            And the only sick person here are you disgusting filthy liberals.

        • szebbjovot

          Drop like a brick? No, its support is more or less stable with some small fluctuations.

          But off course, the Zsidesz lie propaganda machine against Jobbik and Hungarians isn’t helping, but I am sure the decline of Jobbik must make a scum like you glad as you would much rather appreciate DK as your company.

  • Leto مؤدّب

    I’m sure the visits to the Holocaust Memorial Centre in Budapest’s Pava Street, or a visit to the Auschwitz memorial site or Yad Vashem in Jerusalem, will be very convincing for this guy. :D I suggest he should be electrocuted, too, for better results. :)

    • Aloof

      Well they found out that the guy actually likes hummus so they had to do something. I think they should video the whole damn thing.

    • szebbjovot

      So when will Fidesz force Biszku Béla to visit the communist section of the house of terror since he denied communist crimes? Or does this only apply to people who insulted your masters?

    • Darthkuriboh

      I suggest you and your vile people be electrocuted. While standing in water.

      • Leto مؤدّب

        It sounds like understanding irony is not your strength. :D

        • Darthkuriboh

          sometimes. If you were being sarcastic, sorry. I was in a bad mood when I posted.

  • Flyover099

    Always did find it strange why one can’t legimately question something, even with the presentation of bonafide facts.

    • Ricsi

      Better to be confused in the search for truth than fully confident and sound asleep in a dream of kies—Michael Nystrom

      • Ricsi

        Sorry typo–lies not kies :)

        • leona cohen

          i am proud of my heritage!! I was born Jewish in Hungary, and you were born a maniac in a bathroom

          • Paul Katz

            Bless you Leona! With names like Cohen and Katz we can scarcely hide it;)

          • SHAFAR NULLIFIDIAN

            You were born a Jew and raised to be Jewish. As a result that part of the brain through which a human become humane atrophies and more of a lizard person than a human… a tribal sociopath. A jewsauroan. Characteristically the Jewish are psychopathic projectionists, clinically narcissistic, incapable of retrospection. To be Jewish is to viscerally hate every one non-Jewish, even Jews who do not adhere to the temperments of the tribal .

          • Paul Katz

            Shafar, you don’t see how obviously hypocritical your post is? You claim Jews hate everyone, that her brain has atrophied, she has become a reptile. The only evidence I see of hatred is from you. You sound like a demented fascist.

          • Ricsi

            Beautifully put,thanks.

          • Flyover099

            “born Jewish” I think we can tell by crude, disgusting language used. Typical.

      • Pete H.

        And now you are quoting a Rand nutjob. Good company for you.

        • http://k0nsl.org/blog k0nsl

          Okay, what about Karel Čapek? He said: “Truth must be smuggled. It must be distributed in small doses. A drop here, a drop there – until people get used to it. Not all at once.”
          The gas chambers are lies and none of the Holycaust representatives can prove that assertion with facts. That no Jews died as a result of a systematic plan, or in ‘gas chambers’, is naturally something positive. But then there are those who want to believe…or must do so because the law says so :]

          • wolfi

            Idiot – nothing more to say!

          • Paul

            And you are still walking free?
            Amazing.

          • http://k0nsl.org/blog k0nsl

            The question is only for how long…
            Everyone should fight against these laws, even Jews should do it. Only lies needs to be protected from scrutiny via laws.

  • http://k0nsl.org/blog k0nsl

    Can you believe it: “forced visits” to some holocult shrine? Really? How about they show some evidence for their gigantic claims? Oh heavens no, we’ll send them to some shrine instead, let’s not confuse ‘em with facts :-|

  • Darthkuriboh

    I absolutely deny the holohoax. Care to come try to arrest me?

  • mark

    wow what a f.n. joke so why dont they go after the jews who have been killing familys since the 1960s and stll gose on today jews are the biggist genocide killers of them all hell there ex-mp. was found guity for war crimes ans never gone to jail for the killings 1n the 60s this guy just said a few words and he gose to jail????? wow ass kissing the jews i see

  • mark

    David Dario Gabbai is a Greek Sephardi Jew and Holocaust survivor,
    notable for his role as a member of the Sonderkommando at Auschwitz thats right a jew dasing his own kind. jews are the biggist genocide killers of them all since the Slaughter the Canaanites

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