May 10th, 2013

Nine Roma get jail time for “crimes against the nation” after attack on Jobbik

A Miskolc court on Thursday handed down prison terms ranging from two and half to four years to nine Roma people from Sajóbábony, Borsod County, finding them guilty of “crimes against the nation”.

In November 2009 the local chapter of Jobbik held a local forum that Roma people considered an act of provocation.

A day later a Roma woman was involved in an altercation with the head of a food store.

Jobbik then held a spontaneous demonstration and its members were attacked by a group of Roma with iron bars and clubs, smashing the car of a group of Jobbik sympathisers, who suffered minor injuries.

The Civil Liberties Union harshly criticised the verdict stating that while the fact that the perpetrators took the law into their own hands is unlawful, their motive was fear from racists and the court was wrong to define the event as an act against “members of the Hungarian nation.”

The defendants have appealed the sentences and the case will continue in the Debrecen Court of Appeals.

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  • Daniel

    “was fear from racists and the court was wrong to define the event as an act against “members of the Hungarian nation.””

    Those “racists” were citizens fed up with Gypsy Crime, and the solution the Gypsies thought appropriate was to try to bash their heads in with iron bars, thus proving the point of the protestors. This could not have gone better for Jobbik.

    • Aloof

      “This could not have gone better for Jobbik.”

      Well this didn’t go so well for them did it bud? And “justice” was served a hell of a lot faster:
      http://www.origo.hu/itthon/20130509-gyorsitott-eljarasban-eliteltek-harom-ferfit-akik-zaklattak-a-vilagkongresszus-resztvevoit.html

      • Daniel

        Intimidating nazi jews? Fuck yeah! Those mo-mo’s are martyrs bro. It worked out perfectly.

        • Aloof

          LMFAO…

          Nazi jews? Where do you assholes come up with this shit?

          Now the Jobbos are into martyrdom? What’s next whirling twirling dervish Jobbos in tiszta rapture strapping on jihadi bomb vests for the cause?

          You fuckers are a trip man…

          • Ricsi

            But we still have no ‘gypsy crime’ according to vulgar loud mouths like you.

          • Aloof

            Pig farmer… you’re the one with the jew and gypsy phobias not me. If a gypsy commits a crime then put the fucker in jail which I’ve always said about ANY criminal.
            I got arrested in 2006 for “defiling” the Russian monstrosity. Was I guilty, you betcha. Did I whine and cry about it? No I paid the fine and moved on.
            Could the gypsy crime problem be in some fashion related to the fact that they are OVER 90% unemployed since ’89?
            Whose fault is that? Totally theirs?
            Is it the gypsies fault that rural police are ill trained, corrupt and dumb as a box of rocks inept deterrent to crime; gypsy or non gypsy?
            I actually would support the Magyar Garda if they took the obvious racist venom out of their rhetoric and targeted all criminals not just gypsies. Until a highly trained regional gendarme could be instituted the Garda could have been a good “citizen watch” mechanism to employ, but it’s not.
            Besides… what citizens watch group marches around in obvious black shirt uniforms, flags and salutes? That’s a paramilitary outfit bud not a concerned citizens group.

          • szebbjovot

            The Garda never had weapons training, therefore it is not paramilitary.

          • Aloof

            Your masters seem to have a problem with that in addition to some of you internet troll Jobbos staying focused…

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-5TwTjLs84&feature=player_detailpage

          • MagyarViking

            It had the outspoken intent to perform weapon excercises and would have done so, if not being banned

    • MagyarViking

      “Those “racists” were citizens fed up with Gypsy Crime”

      That is your description of “bussed in” Magyar Garda/”Jobbik” Provocateurs…

      This is in English an interview from one of the local people from that time:
      http://tasz.hu/en/news/was-notary-sajobabony-only-after-money-poor

      • Daniel

        Its called having a shred of awareness. The Garda doesn’t hide why it exists. It’s clearly stated that the Garda is used as a way to raise awareness about gypsy crime, and also to provide security for those who feel threatened by them. This they achieved beautifully.

        I don’t respect you because you’re so loyal to your party that you refuse to acknowledge the accomplishments of rival parties. Its idiotic and childish. Its pathetic.

        • MagyarViking

          “The Garda doesn’t hide why it exists”
          Good, then I think it is OK to bash their heads, then they obviously carry around an empty canister between their shoulders

          In this case only a windshield was cracked and that you get 3-4 years when you are a Roma
          I would probably just get a fine if I did it in Budapest, with the same sissy Guardsmen inside

  • MagyarViking

    And this is a VERY good show case of how Roma are treated harsher by the Hungarian Court system

    “The Civil Liberties Union harshly criticised the verdict stating that while the fact that the perpetrators took the law into their own hands is unlawful, their motive was fear from racists and the court was wrong to define the event as an act against “members of the Hungarian nation.””
    http://tasz.hu/node/3532

    Since when was a bunch of Magyar Garda Provocateurs regarded
    * “members of the Hungarian nation”
    and having some special status?

    Is this the paramilitaries and undemocratic “Jobbik” that Whorban less than a week ago claimed he was cracking down on?

    This is an account from a Roma’s perspective with English caption:
    http://tasz.hu/en/romaprogram/sajobabony-through-eyes-gypsy-man

    And this is how politics.hu reported on these riots in 2009:
    http://www.politics.hu/20091118/secret-services-head-pins-responsibility-for-race-riot-on-farright/

    Here is an interview how the situation has improved after Hungarian Human Rights Organisation has set up office locally and the Police harassment of local Roma gone down:
    http://tasz.hu/en/news/was-notary-sajobabony-only-after-money-poor

    • Daniel

      “Since when was a bunch of Magyar Garda Provocateurs regarded
      * “members of the Hungarian nation”
      and having some special status?”

      They don’t have special status. They are simply citizens exercising their right to protest. Don’t be dumb now. Nothing they did was illegal. What the gypsies did, on the other hand, was. Not only that, they did exactly what the provocateurs wanted them to do, those idiots.

      God do you honestly think the liberals give a shit about gypsies? Will you wake up?

      • MagyarViking

        “They are simply citizens exercising their right to protest”

        Well, if your “protest” is to flood a small village with several hundred uniformed Guards-member, whose total appearance, from dresscode to share number, is to intimidate clusters of Roma living in the outskirt of that village, shortly after several Roma had been killed by anti-Roma aktivists, who shared the same anti-Roma values as “Jobbik” and Magyar Garda, you risk end up in a violent situation

        What is not on trial, and that is lacking, is the Police “turning their backs to the Magyar Garda” and instead concentrating on the Roma, creating the obvious feeling that the Garda was allowed to harass Roma, but Roma was not allowed to defend themselves

        Of course it played out as Vona wanted it, that is why he sent in his Guardsmen, to provoke attacks on them
        If you check out what the more clever part of the Hungarian Police had to say:
        “Secret services head pins responsibility for race riot on far-right”
        http://www.politics.hu/20091118/secret-services-head-pins-responsibility-for-race-riot-on-farright/

  • Firebird

    Interesting to see that this Civil Liberties Union ignored the fact that people attacked others with iron clubs. Roma or not, this isn’t taking the law into their own hands, since that would mean they are enforcing something (beating others with iron bars) the police would’ve done.

    Physical attacks, racist or not, need to be cracked down on, on both sides. If Jobbik sympathizers physically assault Romas, then they should get the same punishment. But just because this time it was the Roma who attacked Jobbik sympathizers, all of a sudden the focus shifts from the fact that acts of physical brutality were committed to racism that “was seen as provocation”? The Union would never dare make the argument that if a Roma broke into a store and the owner killed him in a scuffle, it was okay because the Roma breaking in “was seen as provocation”. This is a pure double standard argument.

    I’m all for throwing anyone in jail who commits acts of violence (whether it’s a Jobbik sympathizer, Roma, pedofile, doesn’t matter) but this is almost reverse discrimination.

    • MagyarViking

      “beating others with iron bars”

      But there was no beating, just a cracked windshield…
      That is the double standard

      And the Police was ignoring the activities of the Guardsmen concentrating on policing Roma, not protecting them
      http://tasz.hu/en/news/was-notary-sajobabony-only-after-money-poor

      • Firebird

        “Jobbik then held a spontaneous demonstration and its members were attacked by a group of Roma with iron bars and clubs, smashing the car of a group of Jobbik sympathisers, who suffered minor injuries.”

        They were attacked and suffered injuries.

        • MagyarViking

          “suffered minor injuries”
          while sitting in the car while it had its windshield cracked
          None needed hospital treatment

          Compare this with this story:
          “Kerenyi, 62, was kicked in the abdomen and insulted outside the building housing a prayer room in Teglagyar square. The attacker and the 20-year-old man who was with him ran away from the scene. Kerenyi followed them and saw them entering a house, where they were soon found by police, BRFK’s organised crime unit said on its website. Kerenyi did not need to be seen by a doctor, the website said”
          http://www.politics.hu/20121008/budapest-jewish-leader-assaulted-outside-synagogue-police-arrest-attackers/

          The attacker got only 2 years for this:
          “The 21-year-old man had earlier repeatedly shouted anti-Semitic remarks through the door of the Jewish prayer house in the 20th District.

          When he did the same on October 5 Kerényi took photographs of him with his mobile phone, prompting the man to kick Kerényi in the chest and hit him in the head”
          http://www.politics.hu/20121016/assailant-in-anti-semitic-attack-gets-two-year-sentence-after-fast-track-prosecution/

          The Roma, doing something similar gets 4 years
          Talk of ‘double sentence’ and that is my complaint

          • Firebird

            I’m not saying there are no double standards going in that direction either. You could be right in saying that the anti-semitic assailant should’ve gotten more. In this case, the focus of the attack switched from the act itself to make it seem like the Roma were doing a glorious thing by attacking the Jobbik sympathizers. That’s also a double standard.

          • MagyarViking

            “You could be right in saying that the anti-semitic assailant should’ve gotten more”

            No, I neither wrote that or think that
            I think the sentencing should be between 3-6 months, if no real physical harm occured
            In both cases

            “In this case, the focus of the attack switched from the act itself to make it seem like the Roma were doing a glorious thing by attacking the Jobbik sympathizers”

            I do not know where you see that?
            The TASZ/CLU “harshly criticised the verdict stating that while the fact that the perpetrators took the law into their own hands is unlawful, their motive was fear from racists and the court was wrong to define the event as an act against “members of the Hungarian nation.””
            And that is my problem also

            Note that “the fact that the perpetrators took the law into their own hands is unlawful”, their motive has to evaluated also

            Like a grieving Father who kills his daughter’s murderer, should he be convicted to the same punishment as his daugther’s murderer?

            Also by calling the victims here for “members of the Hungarian nation” shows a clear political bias for “Jobbik”/Magyar Garda as “members of the Hungarian nation”

            As this is used to make a harsher verdict, it means that this Miskolc Court think that what “Jobbik”/Magyar Garda was doing was not only OK, but also Very Good that it needs the extra protection and status as this expression gives them

            The Jewish Rabbi did not get that protection…even if he and his parents has been “members of the Hungarian nation” for many generations

            As a pro-Fidesz person, after reading Viktor Orban’s clear condemnation of “Jobbik” in a Hebrew-language newspaper, you must of course feel outraged over this pro-”Jobbik” verdict and hope the Appeals Court in Debrecen will correct this lower Court verdict

          • Firebird

            “harshly criticised the verdict stating that while the fact that the perpetrators took the law into their own hands is unlawful”

            This wasn’t a pro-Jobbik verdict. You’re making mountains out of molehills. People tried to physically assault others, were caught, and sentenced.

          • Curious George

            The term used by the court “members of the Hungarian nation” is garbage, and clearly shows a double standard (almost primitive) in differentiating between categories of victims. Would the crime be different if the victim was a tourist, and the perpetrators a bunch of Hungarians?

          • Firebird

            The situation would, because the tourist is a citizen of a different country experiencing a violent crime. Embassies would get involved nondiscriminatory policies would have to be employed. It would be a mess.

          • MagyarViking

            “This wasn’t a pro-Jobbik verdict”

            Of course it was – where in the Hungarian Law do you find the definition that describes Magyar Garda as “members of the Hungarian nation”?

            This was 2009, Magyar Garda was outlawed, meaning any members of an outlawed organisation are per definition criminals

            This was 2009, a series of violent crimes, including random killings against defenceless members of the Roma population in small villages had happened during a prolonged time, so there was a deep rooted cause for concern for the safety of the local Roma population

            Given “Jobbik’ss”/Magyar Garda’s perceived support for these killings, there was an equal chance that a not pro-”Jobbik” Court, or just a not anti-Roma Court, would have come to the legal conclusion that these Roma, misguided as they were, using illegal violence and illegal threats, were actually committing an act of self-defence of 3rd party. Also taken into the account the local Police total inaction against the Garda

            Of course with the clear statement that using more violence than necessary, this was a crime, which should be punished

            Very similar reasoning as Daniel, the Jewish activist, got after pouring red paint on a white statue
            Courts do these reasoning, they are not above current politics and you are just ducking this issue, then now there is black on white that Orban claimed that “Jobbik” is a big democratic problem in Hungary

          • Firebird

            “This was 2009, a series of violent crimes, including random killings against defenceless members of the Roma population in small villages had happened during a prolonged time, so there was a deep rooted cause for concern for the safety of the local Roma population”

            But what about the “deep rooted cause” which resulted in the random killings? The Garda argue the same thing which you just wrote, except in the other direction. Numerous Hungarians were killed in the past few years by people who were gypsies (not that they were the only people committing murder). So the Garda reacted the way it “saw” best, even though it was obviously out of line.

            The point is, both sides reacted due to a “deep rooted cause”. So one can’t ignore the cause for one crime while looking at the cause of the other.

          • MagyarViking

            “So one can’t ignore the cause for one crime while looking at the cause of the other”

            In this specific case only nine local Roma were accused, charged and convicted, so there is for their trial hardly a point to look into the reason *why* the illegal organisation Magyar Garda was there

            Also, what claim can an illegal organisation make in a Court of Law?

            Finally, these claims, are to be made by the different parties Defence Lawyers, or by the sentencing Judge, when motivating the factual sentencing and has no bearing on that the charged person was guilty of a crime or not
            These claims may though influence the sentencing

          • Firebird

            “Also, what claim can an illegal organisation make in a Court of Law?”

            The illegal organization was made of people. These people are still allowed to make cases individually as they please. Though I probably should’ve used different wording: the Garda and those who were, in fact, killed over the past decades by gypsies.

            Sure the Garda has been technically stripped of any credibility, especially in the court of law. But the Garda was actually just voicing the grievances of quite a few people in the countryside who were either related to, friends of or impacted by the situation of those who were killed by minorities. These problems remain, and if one argues that the motivation behind gypsies attacking Jobbik sympathizers should be scrutinized, then so should the motives of those who for example drive electric wires through their fence to protect their gardens from thieves who constantly raided them (who happened to be gypsies) and unfortunately kill or seriously injure the thieves in the process.

          • Curious George

            Jobbik sympathizers? The jobbos here have already acknowledged they were there to intimidate and provoke the Roma, and the Roma responded. You dont need to be an apologist for them, or try to mitigate their actions.

          • Firebird

            How am I being an apologist? You represent the group of people that immediately side with minorities, even if it’s they who are committing crimes. What you’re saying is just about as legitimate of an argument as preventive war.

          • Curious George

            Your words repeatedly describing jobbik provocateurs as “sympathizers” is clearly an attempt by you to downplay the ulterior motives they had in being there. As a minority in Hungary, and even in Narnia, I have a different perspective of what they experience. And, you’re wrong – I don’t condone crimes committed by anyone.

          • Firebird

            I used the word “sympathizers” because that’s what the article used. Read it. I’m not downplaying anything; I know they were being provocative, but the committed crime should always be the priority. Secondly, motives can be looked at. Same goes for racial attacks on the Roma.

          • Curious George

            Ok. I accept that you could be using the same word as in the article, and you’ve now also acknowledged they were being provocative.

          • Firebird

            I didn’t say they weren’t. At the same time, the crime is what matters first.

          • MagyarViking

            ” the crime is what matters first”

            but a crime is always related to a motive, like most people would regard it appaulling that a grivestrucken Father who kills his daughter’s murderer, gets the same sentencing as his daughter’s murderer did

            So motive, situation and intent are vital parts when a crime is sentenced

          • Firebird

            It’s like reading Antigone all over again. This is a question spanning thousands of years, so I doubt we’ll get anywhere.

          • justasking

            Viking,

            ‘but a crime is always related to a motive’
            Exactly…so, what ‘motivates’ people to extreme measures?
            Fear, frustration, hate. jealousy, etc, etc…keep in mind, parties like Jobbik and groups such as the Magyar Garda are not the root cause; but, the end result of a situation.

          • justasking

            Dear Georgie,

            ‘ The jobbos here have already acknowledged they were there to intimidate and provoke the Roma’

            So what? They, like any other ‘controversial type groups,’ have every right to gather, protest or show support where ever they see fit. Whether they happen to be your cup of tea or not…is irrelevant.
            ——–
            ‘and the Roma responded’
            Exactly, they responded…illegally….which means they are being held accountable, like, everyone else, for those actions…why is this even news?

          • Curious George

            Welcome back, JA! I agree that the jobbos have the right to gather and demonstrate. However, if the authorities have reason to believe that the demonstration has ulterior motives of provoking and causing public disturbance and violence, then, I think they also have the duty to restrict it – to maintain the peace of the Hungarian nation, of course :)

            I agree the Roma made a mistake in responding. They should have thrown rotten eggs, or bags of shit at the shitheads.

          • Darthkuriboh

            Actually, what communists like you want is Jobbik gone. What you don’t realize, is not only is Jobbik NEVER going away, they are getting MORE popular as TRUE Hungarians realize Jobbik is THEIR party.

          • Aloof

            Oh do pray tell all of us what a “TRUE” Magyar is there bud.

          • justasking

            Hey George,

            ‘However, if the authorities have reason to believe that the demonstration has ulterior motives of provoking and causing public disturbance and violence, then, I think they also have the duty to restrict it’

            I disagree with you here, you’d being going down a slippery slope. Who’s to decide what a groups ‘motives’ are? What would be the criteria? Would they be based on facts, or biases? Do you see where I’m getting at? The door would be thrown wide open to start stopping on peoples rights.

            In my opinion, both sides have legitimate grievances…trick is, how does one take out the political element, to actually come up with a resolution?
            ———–

            ‘I agree the Roma made a mistake in responding. They should have thrown rotten eggs, or bags of shit at the shitheads’

            Again, I disagree…violence begets violence, which gives your opponent power over you. I control how I choose to respond to something, I’m responsible for my actions and the subsequent fallout if there is any.

          • Curious George

            Yes, it is a slippery slope, but someone has to take responsibility in making decisions in ensuring public safety If the authorities get intelligence that groups are planning for violence, then, I feel it would be irresponsible for them to allow a demonstration to proceed. I know it may be subject to biases, so I guess the only solution is to get a rational person with no vested interest to make such a decision and take rsponsibility for a wrong decision. I’ll be glad to volunteer :)

            See, you agree that you may choose how and when to respond. So, if the Roma decide to respond (via eggs), then I fully support that, even though I feel that there are better ways of undermining the demonstration.

          • justasking

            George,

            ‘So, if the Roma decide to respond (via eggs), then I fully support that, even though I feel that there are better ways of undermining the demonstration’
            I’m more for getting to the root cause of a problem and dealing with that, before it gets to the end result, which would be the protests/egg slinging.
            Love your icon!

          • Darthkuriboh

            obviously the doofus forgot to throw pig blood on the worthless Jew parasite.

  • Leto مؤدّب

    In case someone didn’t understand completely:

    According to Amnesty International, the Helsinki Committee or this Civil Liberties Union (TASZ) when Gypsies attack Hungarians with cries “you’ll die now, Hungarians!” then that’s not a hate crime, that’s rowdyism.
    If Hungarians attacked Gypsies with cries “you’ll die now, Gypsies!” then that’s a hate crime.

    • Vidra

      But why should either of them be a “crime against the nation”?

      • Leto مؤدّب

        Why did “Hungary Around the Clock” translate “közösség elleni erőszak” into ““crimes against the nation”?

        http://www.hirado.hu/Hirek/2013/05/09/11/Eliteltek_a_kozosseg_elleni_er_szakkal_vadolt_sajobabonyi_romakat.aspx

        • Vidra

          Thanks for the clarification. It’s surprising that Fidesz haven’t used “lost in translation” as explanation for more of the criticism directed their way.

        • MagyarViking

          So what?
          In what way did 3 percieved members of the banned Magyar Garda organisation in a car represent the “Community”?

          They did not, they represented a banned organisation and hence where themselves being outside the “Community” as defined by the current PM, Viktor Orban

        • olga

          That’s weird – in order for these criminals to have been convicted for “crime against the Nation” or “crime against the Community” as per your translation, there would have to be such a charge in the Criminal Code – is there such a charge on the books?

          Sounds like assault and vandalism; aggravated assault if someone was seriously hurt which was not the case

          • Leto مؤدّب

            Yes, there is such a crime now.

          • olga

            Strange law because it means there has to be a legal definition of “Community” but if the legislators found a legal definition then it is what it is.

            Take a look at the Budapost article – it states these thugs were convicted of “hate crime” so were they ? If I were writing that article, I would not have written the 9 men were sentenced for 27 years but 3 years each or “ranging from X to Y years” – adding up those numbers was a bad “poker move” and negates the article’s objectivity.

            I don’t blame the Roma for being angry with JOBBIK members nor do I blame Hungarians for being angry with
            the criminal element within the Roma – but obviously there is no excuse for violence and both sides engage in the same rhetoric. “All Roma are criminals and all Hungarians are JOBBIK clones.”

            http://budapost.eu/2013/05/nine-roma-convicted-for-hate-crime/

          • Leto مؤدّب

            olga,

            The Gypsy thugs attacked the car with such cries “üssétek a büdös magyarokat!” (beat up the stinking Hungarians!) or “megdögöltök, magyarok” (you’re going to die*, Hungarians!) (dög=animal carcass, megdögleni=an insulting verb to express dying for humans)

            Now decide yourself if there is a legal definition of “Hungarians”…

          • olga

            Those people are disgusting thugs and so were the Roma sub-humans who killed a teacher in front of his daughters a few years ago.

            There are 4 Hungarian men before the Courts (as far as I know there is no verdict yet) who planned the execution of a Roma family including a 5 year old child – so do we conclude that you and I are somehow responsible for that one because if the answer is no, then why should the Roma community as a whole be maligned?

            My point is and always was – do we judge criminals by their race and nationality?

            In current US media, what seems like 24/7 coverage, are the Boston bombers and the man accused of kidnapping, raping and torturing the 3 Cleveland women.

            There is no backlash against the Chechen or Puerto Rican communities – the focus is only on the individual perpetrators

            While the Cleveland case was not a “hate crime” , the Boston incident sure was but only racist lunatics would blame all Muslims or all Chechens on the horrific crimes.

            On this website, every criminal act by a minority immediately draws hate speech at its “best” as if everyone who belongs to that race/religion is somehow responsible.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            “do we judge criminals by their race and nationality?”

            No. On the other hand the court ruled that there was an ethnic motive in the assault of these thugs and that’s why they were not convicted of rowdyism and vandalism but of “közösség elleni erőszak” and that’s why they got heavier sentences.

          • olga

            Ooops – my reply did not get addressed to you but it became a general comment

          • Leto مؤدّب

            No problem. :)

    • Aloof

      Uhhh…. so who died?

      • Leto مؤدّب

        Nobody. Despite the best efforts of the nine sentenced Gypsy thugs.

        • MagyarViking

          “Despite the best efforts of the nine sentenced Gypsy thugs”

          The 3 Guardists had “minor injuries”, that is like a bruise
          None needed hospital treatment

          Belive me, I met a group of “Gypsy thugs” in the zear of 2000, they were working for the Russian Mafia in Budapest – If nine of them would have done their “best efforts” on me, I would not be writing this

          It is clearly ridicolous to claim that there was any real attempt to cause major bodily harm to these Guardists and the car got away with a cracked windshield with total repairs of 100.000 HUF, which is the cost for a normal fender-bender

    • MagyarViking

      Where did any of these groups state that it would not be a hate crime?
      Pls back up your generic claim!

  • Askjav

    They were charged like they should have been charged. What fear of racism? It was Jobbik who was protesting to begin with racism and violence against Hungarians by Roma, and the Roma didn’t like the fact that their crimes are being protested so they violently attacked them.

    If a Roma group held a public forum over crime committed against them by Hungarians and Hungarians attacked them over it because they considered it a provocation, they would be charged with hate crimes. These people committed a hate crime by attacking people of another ethnicity.

    • MagyarViking

      The problem is not the charges, the problem is the verdict

      And you are not logical:
      “They were charged like they should have been charged”
      “These people committed a hate crime by attacking people of another ethnicity”

      “These people” were not charged with a hate crime, so your 2nd statement contradicts your 1st statement…

      And “These people” were not convicted for a hate crime also…

  • Darthkuriboh

    Jobbik is the savior of the Hungarian people, from the jewish owned and operated left and supposed right. Jobbik is the only party in Hungary with the juice to speak the truth about the international Jew. They are like Golden Dawn in Greece, the true hope of the people.

    • MagyarViking

      The Golden Dawn is known for their open violent actions against defenceless people, but they can do it with the support of the local Police

      A situation that reminds of Hungary, except that “Jobbik” is too scared to take direct responsibility for their hate-mongering

      • Darthkuriboh

        Golden Dawn only retaliates for violence against Greek people by these so called “defenseless” people. They are fighting for the restoration of Greek culture and the Greek people, to avoid the population displacement and eventual genocide of the Greek peoples. Jobbik, as they get more representation in Hungary, will be able to start truly fighting for Hungarians as well.

        Unlike you.

        • Aloof

          “Golden Dawn only retaliates for violence against Greek people by these so called “defenseless” people.”

          Oh Shut up…
          http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/332656
          .

          • Darthkuriboh

            yeah they smashed stalls ran by illegal immigrants, Golden Dawn stands for Greeks, not muslims or africans. Your point is… what exactly?

          • Aloof

            Then why did the local Greek government/officials give licenses to criminals? If those people had a license then GD had no right to trash their market kiosk/stand.

            That makes what GD did illegal. The Police ignoring the situation was illegal although the cops like Magyar cops are caught in the middle so I understand that.

            Round up the illegal immigrants and deport them or shut up but don’t tell me what GD does is the “solution” to that problem.

          • Darthkuriboh

            you seem to think illegals should have rights? they are CRIMINALS.

    • wolfi

      Move over leto and Gaymar, Ricsi etc – the real white supremacists have arrived here …

      • Darthkuriboh

        if living in reality and seeing what needs to be done makes me a supremacist, then that’s a label I’ll be happy to accept. Fact of the matter is, I’m a Nationalist. I believe in indigenous peoples having control in their own countries, and being the only ones allowed to live in their own countries.

        • wolfi

          So what about “indigenous peoples having control in their own countries” like your good ol’ USA – aren’t you descended from immigrants too ?

          You’re the looniest loonie now around here – and that means a lot …

          • Darthkuriboh

            hate to have to tell you this, but the “native americans” are no more native than anyone else. They came across the land bridge from the Siberian steppes in migration. Meanwhile, there was already a stone age culture in what would become the US, a stone age culture that the “native americans” exterminated on arrival.

          • CrazierThanU

            Hate to have to tell you this but stone age history is just an elitist scientific myth. The world, Hungary, US, Israel, Africa and their native non-immigrant peoples were created just about 6000 years ago.

          • Darthkuriboh

            where’d you leave your brain today?

  • Freedom

    I’m not amazed that even a case like this would have some people venting their anti-Hungarian bias.

    What more is there to say to these people whose names do not need to be mentioned?

    1. Every other post of theirs downplays hate against Hungarians or is used to attack Hungarians.

    2. Half their post seem uninformed.

    I have to wonder if this is even a website about Hungary and not a chauvinistic Slovak party run website or whether or not this is the online gathering place for the anti-Magyar international fan club.

  • olga

    Re : “This doesn’t mean the thugs would represent Gypsies or that the victims would represent Hungarians.”

    I absolutely agree with you but once again you demonstrated that you are a dismal failure when in comes to being a member of JOBBIK :)

    • justasking

      Hey Olga,

      Completely off topic, and I could give a fat rats ass…have you seen this video?

      http://youtu.be/on5E-Fw86Yk
      I bloody well fell off my chair laughing!!!

      • olga

        :)

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