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June 4th, 2013

Hungarians cannot come to terms with Trianon treaty, says Áder

The Trianon Peace Treaty, which ceded two-thirds of Hungary’s territory to neighbouring countries, is a memory Hungarians have not been able to come to terms with, President Janos Ader on Tuesday, the Day of National Cohesion, which was marked at events throughout Hungary.

Anyone who ignores that trauma and “turns a deaf ear to the voice of young Hungarians living in other countries”, or wages a campaign against dual citizenship, is “not a decent person”, the president said, meeting ethnic Hungarian youths.

Ader gave his visitors — 38 secondary school kids from Hungarian communities in Slovakia, Ukraine, Romania, Serbia, and Austria — a personal tour of the presidential Sandor Palace, and thanked their parents and teachers for helping the young generation in preserving their national identity and Hungarian culture and traditions.

At an event in Pecs in southern Hungary, deputy Prime Minister Zsolt Semjen said the Hungarian nation would survive only if it remains united with those who live beyond the borders. In order to strengthen Hungarians’ national identity, Hungary has introduced the dual citizenship scheme in a simplified procedure, organises school trips for Hungarian children to areas beyond the borders with ethnic Hungarians, and supports the ethnic Hungarians’ fight for autonomy, he added.

Some 450,000 people have applied for Hungarian citizenship under the government’s scheme so far and the 500,000th citizenship oath is expected to be taken by the end of the year, he said.

The Day of National Cohesion is also a day for the real European spirit and an uncompromising change of the system, said Janos Lazar, the state secretary who heads the Prime Minister’s Office, when he officially declared the National Historical Memorial Park of Opusztaszer a place of national commemoration. For Hungarians, Europe is not about giving up our national identity but about mutual respect for national self-awareness and the unconditional representation of national interests, Lazar said.

Deputy state secretary for Hungarian communities abroad Zsuzsanna Repas said at the House of Hungarians that “we have redefined our relations to ourselves, to the nation.” The power that reformed the country, and the trust and will for revival have stood the test of time, she added. “This is a stable bastion for we Hungarians,” she said. The tree for national cohesion was inaugurated at the event and students from Transylvania, southern Slovakia, Vojvodina and Hungary hanged small houses on the branches, with each house showing a message that strengthens cohesion.

Commemorations abroad started a few days ago. An event marking the anniversary was held in Kisszelmenc, a Ukrainian village near the Slovak border. National cohesion is particularly important for local families which were sealed off from their relatives living on the other side of the border during the Soviet times. The anniversary of the Trianon peace dictate was commemorated in Marosvasarhely at a young apple tree planted in the churchyard last year to symbolise national cohesion. The ethnic Hungarian inhabitants of Orisziget in Austria also marked the event at an apple-tree representing cohesion and common roots.

MEP Krisztina Morvai, of the radical nationalist Jobbik party, said that at a time when talks have started about Serbia’s European Union accession, Hungary should use the opportunity to express demands for autonomy to ethnic Hungarians in Vojvodina and stepped-up action against anyone who commits ethnically motivated attacks.

The Hungarian parliament declared June 4 the Day of National Cohesion in 2010 to mark the anniversary of the day the peace treaty was signed in the Grand Trianon chateau of Versailles in 1920.

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  • patriot

    fuck you trauma. All the occupied authorities suffer trauma b/c of the invaders!

    Get over it you jerk and be happy for what you got!

    The Bolshevik Republic of Hungary is what define you , you losers!

    • patriot

      read, occupied territories!

      Viva Trianon!

      • MokusMan

        Screw you. Trianon was completely unjust.

        • patriot

          Right, should erase Hungary from the map!

    • Leto مؤدّب

      No, húzzál most már szépen a halál nemi szervére, te ocsmány szőröstalpú féreg…

      • patriot

        can you translate that impossible languages to learn please?

        • Leto مؤدّب

          Ask a Hungarian speaker around you. You said you’re Hungarian anyway, büdös szőröstalpú. 🙂

          • patriot

            I don’t have those around me, all of them emigrated to Australia after they got the Bozgor citizenship!

            Excellent program! keep going!

            I can’t wait when the new” Citizens” will ask for pension from a bankrupt country like Bozgoria!

            Everything is working out well!
            Long live Trianon!

          • MokusMan

            You realize Romania is the poorest country in the EU, and that even fairly poor people in Hungary have higher standards of living than the average person in Romania, right?

          • patriot

            you idiot came to Transylvania and see how your Bozgor relatives live! No Hungarian Bozgor has their life!

          • MokusMan

            I’m not Hungarian.

          • seinean

            MockMan

            “You realize Romania is the poorest country in the EU…”

            This is not true according to Eurostat. Bulgaria is even poorer ( data for 2010, Regional GDP per inhabitant percents of EU27: BG 44% RO 47%).

            “even fairly poor people in Hungary have higher standards of living than the average person in Romania”

            This is not true either. The average net salary in Hungary was in 2012 of 722S$. I would say that “fairly poor people” should have had half of this amount , that is 361US$. This is roughly 25% lower than the average net salary in Romania , which , in 2012 , was estimated at 474US$.

            Hence your point is moot. Try again.

          • MokusMan

            Standard of living is not synonymous with income.

            Hence your post is moot. Try again.

          • seinean

            “Standard of living as a measurement is not synonymous with income.”

            Sure. You’re actually right. Since prices are a bit lower in Romania it means that with the same amount one lives a little bit better there than in Hungary.

            Your turn now.

          • MokusMan

            They don’t make “the same amount.” People in Romania make substantially less than people in Hungary, and prices are only marginally cheaper, particularly in the cities. Standard of living incorporates things such as health standards, public services, availability and quality of education, and cohesion of society. A rough measure of this is the HDI, in which Hungary has a ranking of 0.831, to Romania’s 0.783. That’s a substantial difference on that metric, and puts Romania behind not just Hungary but countries like Belarus, Montenegro, and Uruguay.

          • seinean

            Gee : even better IHDI – Inequality adjusted HDI:

            Hungary 0.769
            Romania 0.687 (-0.082 )

            So Romania is at about 89.3% of Hungary at this indicator.

            Hungary is – of course – better than Romania economically.

            However you claimed:

            1/ That Romania is the poorest country in the EU

            2/That “even fairly poor people in Hungary have higher standards of living than the average person in Romania”

            Both statements are false.

          • MokusMan

            I concede the first. Not the second, as all you have are guesses and anecdotes, the same as me.

          • seinean

            Guesses ? Anecdotes ? Well… why don’t you say so ? I thought you really had something substantial here when – in fact – there were only anecdotes :).

            If all you want is to mock and bash Romania without caring about the truthfulness of what you write, you just have to tell.

      • Pitbull

        Take a good look at patriot. An ignorant, close-minded bigot. But he is the Romanian opposite of some of the opinions we have seen from Hungarians who also consider themselves to be patriots. Something to learn here?

        • patriot

          Pitbullshit, I am not an ignorant as may you think!

          Just swallow what I say and you will see the truth!

          Long live Trianon!

          • Pitbull

            Patriot, I really don’t care about Trianon so your comment is not applicable. The Hungarians would be smarter, in my opinion, to just start moving into Transylvania and buying it up, if that is what they want. That is possible in today’s Europe, and there would be nothing you or anyone else could do about it. And yes, sadly, you are ignorant. But the good news is you are not alone. 🙂

          • patriot

            Pitbulshit,! Transylvania is not Palestine and the Bozgors are not Jews! From where money you moron?

          • Pitbull

            Dearest Patriot,

            I suggest you start out with children’s websites to practice your English and after a few years come back here, maybe then it will be possible to understand you.:-)

          • patriot

            I guess you came from a dog sites.here.

            they are intelligent pets but you are at the bottom!

            What you don’t want to understand from my English you moron!

          • Pitbull

            My dear Patriot,

            I understand you to say that you like dogs. Your sexual choices are your own, and none of us are going to criticize you for it. 🙂

      • Pitbull

        By the way Leto I like the furry-footed féreg comment . . .

        • Leto مؤدّب

          🙂

  • MagyarViking

    “Anyone who ignores that trauma and “turns a deaf ear to the voice of young Hungarians living in other countries”, or wages a campaign against dual citizenship, is “not a decent person”, the president said, meeting ethnic Hungarian youths”

    It is a pity that the President of the Hungarian Republic (as it is still called) degenrate himself in party politics, like “wages a campaign against dual citizenship, is “not a decent person””

    The problems with Fidesz Fast track Hungarian citizenship without permanent residence in Hungary are:

    a) Violates normal European standards of citizenship

    b) Fast-tracked citizen does not need to pay tax in Hungary, but can influence how other Hungarian citizens have to pay tax in Hungary

    c) Fast-tracked citizens finds it easier to move to post-Trianon Hungary, then they will get better welfare here than in their original countries, if not earned pension

    d) Fast-tracked citizen from non-EU countries have an advantage to their neighbourghs left back home in the sense that they can work and live in Post-Trianon Hungary and hence encourage movement from Pre-Trianon, to post-Trianon Hungary, defeating the very idea of keeping ethnic Hungarians outside the post-Trianon Hungary, to claim autonomy, etc

    • Voiceofreason

      I disagree. Trianon is an exceptional case – a very badly thought out treaty that displaced 5 million Hungarian Citizens, who became foreigners in their own country.

      The government is giving these people some rights to try in some small way to compensate for this.

      • patriot

        take them in Hungary, problem solved!

      • Curious George

        If Trianon was a badly thought out decision, the decision to offer blanket citizenship isn’t any better for reasons 2 & 3 cited by Viking. To have a high percentage of non-tax paying residents influencing the political direction of any country is not something any resident citizen would want. Do you really think Hungary can afford the welfare costs if these citizens move to Hungary?

        • Curious George

          I meant non-tax paying citizens abroad.

      • Aloof

        “very badly thought out treaty that displaced 5 million Hungarian Citizens”
        They weren’t displaced they were cut off, cut out. Less than 50% of “Hungarian citizens” were Magyars so in many cases the “ethnic minorities” were re-united with their true ethnic identity.
        What Hungary is really mourning is the loss of 2/3 of her territory, natural resources and economy. In 2013 less than 20% of “Hungarians” even care about Trianon much less think about it. In nearly a century the demographics have changed so much that Trianon and Paris ’47 are virtually moot points. Trianon, at the time, was no doubt unfair. But Hungary’s behavior and poor choices made during WWII only made the drafters of Trianon look like geniuses. Hungary lost EVEN more territory via Paris ’47.
        Even if Trianon/ Paris ’47 were somehow magically reversed what would Hungary do with that, go back to magyarization?
        Every time that Hungary has ever tried to impose their “superiority” over other people it ended up as a disaster.

      • MagyarViking

        “The government is giving these people some rights to try in some small way to compensate for this”

        I can understand that for retired people in the diaspora, to get an Hungarian passport can be A Great Thing

        The problem is that with the young and still workable, they get a very easy tool to Go West and that is devastating for the ethnic Hungarian minorities

        I honestly do not believe that Whorban is planning a Putin-trick, like invading the pre-Trianon areas, claiming to protect all Hungarian citizens there, like how Putin did in South Ossetia (part of Georgia) in 2008, after handed out Russian passports a few years to Georgian citizens, so except the GoodFeeling for elderly ethnic Hungarians, this plan with ‘dual citzenship’ will backfire on the ethnic Hungarian minorities inside the Pre-Trianon borders, by rapidly shrinking their numbers

    • Daniel

      You don’t understand why Hungarians would do this because you are not Hungarian. That’s fine, for there is nothing wrong with not being one. Also, you can criticize this move all you want, even until the cows come home. But, a word of advice: Do not slander decisions by Magyars that you do not understand, and then at the same time act perplexed when you are shunned and disrespected by said community. Just like in social situations, sometimes it is better to keep your thoughts to yourself regarding sensitive topics that the people surrounding you would not care for if you commented on them as an outsider. You may not care, you might be the character type that deliberately wants to be hated, and that is all your right of course.

      • Aloof

        “Do not slander decisions by Magyars that you do not understand”

        And how many tiszta Magyars “Hungarians” are there in the diaspora there Danny boy? There were less than 50% Magyars in 1920, so how many “Magyars” are there now?

        If you can’t accurately answer that question then your whole statement is a pile of crap.

      • MagyarViking

        “Do not slander decisions by Magyars that you do not understand”

        Of course I should not “slander”, but as any EU citizen I have the right to question decision that affects other EU member states and the Fidesz Fast-tracked ‘Dual citizenship’ does that

      • Dr. Strange

        Well written comment, Daniel! Don’t mind these anti Magyar goons (viking and aloof) they are lost souls who cannot distinguishe a wolf from a sheppard. They have long lost this battle, which explains their loser mentality.

        • Aloof

          Perfect name for a “tiszta” Magyar.

          • Dr. Strange

            Keep on proving my point! Thanks!

          • Aloof

            So who is the big bad wolf strange Magyar? I know you guys like to sit around the campfire and talk about the day that you battled the big bad nasty “Bear Jew.”

            Winks and nods all around right?

          • Dr. Strange

            Whahha your comments are extremely funny, we are having a blast here with my friends. Keep the nonsense comming! We adore you!! Cute little troll you are!

            Never heard of figure of speech? I was just making note that you cannot tell good from bad. Probably caused by a severe lack of life experience.

            Thanks for proving my point, AGAIN!

    • patriot

      Autonomy, in your dreams!
      you will get Autonomy how the Romanians get during the Empire of Bolshevik Rep. of Hungary!

      Viva Trianon!

  • patriot

    the bolshevik Rep. of Hungary claim the 1000 year ” kingdom”
    Question: who was the last King to rule and when in that Utopia?

  • Expat

    Part of me thinks, “Hey, you chose the wrong side in a war so you have to deal with the consequences.” However, if I take a different perspective… if there was a war in North America, the U.S. chose the losing side, and third party nations took some southern states and gave them to Mexico and gave some northern states to Canada… suddenly all of these Americans are now Canadian and Mexican citizens… that would cause hatred and anger for generations. So from that perspective, I get it. I get the hatred. What I don’t understand is why the Hungarian government – nearly a century later – is putting out all of this nationalist rhetoric when there’s really nothing that can be done. It just incites anger and hatred. Allowing ethnic Hungarians to regain citizenship.. I get it and it’s more symbolic than anything… but not social benefits unless they pay taxes. Not voting rights if they don’t pay taxes and live here. It’s ridiculous that you can vote but (a) don’t live here and (b) don’t pay taxes. And then everything makes sense: it’s a voting scheme. Of course, if Fidesz gives out citizenship to displaced ethnic Hungarians and gives them voting rights, they’re going to vote for Fidesz. Fidesz is just manufacturing new votes. I think Fidesz is using Trianon and “unification” as a way to prevent future election losses. There’s nothing sincere about it. And that’s disturbing and frightening because it means they really don’t care about anything other than self-interest and are using nationalism, unification, and cohesion as a way to maintain power. And too many Hungarians really do sincerely care about Trianon (rightly, I think). Even more scary, if you look back through history, these kinds of tactics were used before — and it *never* ended well.

    • Leto مؤدّب

      “Not voting rights if they don’t pay taxes and live here.”

      Do you think my voting rights in Hungary should have been suspended when I lived in the UK and paid taxes there for a few years?

      • Aloof

        Nope. There are nearly 8 million US ex-pats around the world and every one of them has the right to vote in US elections. I paid US income taxes because our corporate HQ was/is in the USA for the 18 years I was in Hungary when applicable. For many years I was tax exempt if I spent 335 calendar days outside the USA but they changed in 2006. I also paid indirect Hungarian taxes associated with my business in Hungary not to mention all the VAT, property ownership etc… but I could deduct those from my US tax filings. So overall taxes were never a big issue in either country.

        • Leto مؤدّب

          Nice to see you agree Hungarian citizens living, say, in Erdély should also have to right to vote in Hungary.

          • Aloof

            The ones that were born when it was Hungary I do.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            I said Hungarian citizens living in Transylvania. Hungary, like other countries, decides herself who gets her passport. So that’s a different topic.

  • borden

    The “patriotic” commenters on here are simply a product of their upbringing and the propoganda spewed is the same old bullshit. They cannot help it they were taught this bullshit from birth. I find it very interesting how everytime anyone questions them or calls them on their crap, you get the same old bullshit arguments and even the name calling is not very original. The excuse is always the same, we are post commie bastards, we don’t understand them, we have no right to comment blah blah, blah. Oh…..don’t forget they will start talking about how other countries are worse. They are superior blah blah blah. Get over Trianon!!! You idiots cannot seem to prioritize. Worry about becoming strong in the economy, education, and job creation. Do something to push Hungary in the right direction, nothing will ever change if all you do is defend something that is bad for your country just because you don’t want to admit mistakes were made by the Magyars. It is like watching people trying to convince others to not get into a life raft on a sinking ship just because they didn’t want to admit it was sinking!

    • Leto مؤدّب

      The “left liberal” commenters on here are simply a product of their
      upbringing and the propaganda spewed is the same old bullshit. They
      cannot help it they were taught this bullshit from birth. I find it
      very interesting how every time anyone questions them or calls them on
      their crap, you get the same old bullshit arguments and even the name
      calling is not very original. The excuse is always the same, we are
      fascists, we are intolerant racists, we have no right to
      comment blah blah, blah. Oh…..don’t forget they will start talking
      about how other countries are so much more democratic and champions of human rights and liberties. They are superior blah blah blah. Their pet topic is one particular genocide in history.
      Get over the Holocaust!!! You idiots cannot seem to prioritize. Worry about
      becoming strong in the economy, education, and job creation. Do
      something to push Hungary in the right direction, nothing will ever
      change if all you do is demand compensation all the time and label anti-Semites, Fascists, Nazis, whatever anybody else.
      It is like watching people trying to convince others to not get into a
      life raft on a sinking ship just because they didn’t want to admit it
      was sinking!

  • Hungarian

    Fuck Trianon and the arrogant assholes who accepted it as it is!

  • David Fggo

    Trianon Treaty was a crime against Hungary. PERIOD.

  • Bradley Conder

    Surely the solution is for these areas to secede from their countries and declare independence. Then request to join back up with Hungary. If Quebec, Scotland and (eventually) Catalonia are allowed to have a referendum on the matter then there is no reason why these places can’t either. Especially if it is an ethnic majority being ruled by the minority.

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