July 9th, 2013

European court rules disbanding Magyar Garda legal

The radical nationalist Jobbik party has lost its appeal at the European Court of Human Rights, challenging a decision made by the Hungarian authorities several years ago to disband its uniformed wing, the Hungarian Guard.

The Strasbourg-based court said on Tuesday that the act of disbanding the Hungarian Guard Association was the only effective method available to the authorities of putting an end to its menacing actions.

The court also said the Hungarian Guard Movement, which claims to fall outside the ban on the ground that it is a movement rather than an organisation, was linked to the banned Hungarian Guard Association and its actions could incite fear. Marches organised by the Hungarian Guard Movement could be considered the first steps towards implementing an “essentially racist” legal system, the court added.

Jobbik said the Stasbourg court had passed a “outrageous” ruling that “is barely on nodding terms with reality and the opinion of the vast majority of the public.”

Tamas Gaudi-Nagy said in a statement that Jobbik rejects the assumption that the Hungarian Guard’s actions were directed towards an “essentially racist” legal system, and the party would appeal against the decision at the Grand Chamber of the European Court of Human Rights.

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  • Leto مؤدّب

    What on Earth did these Jobbik idiots expect from a court which ruled that the symbol of the most murderous ideology in history, the red star should be legalized in Hungary?

    • ViktorOrban

      A wise man once said: “Our brightest blazes of gladness are commonly kindled by unexpected sparks.”

      And Gabor Vona is no idiot. He has an IQ of 166, 5 points higher than the MENSA scores of Bill Gates, Stephen Hawking and Einstein and only 7 points lower than Matolcsy.

      • Leto مرب

        Vona and Orban, regardless of IQs and education, will end up in prison. Mark my word!

        • Hungarian

          Fucking Jews! Herr aus Ungarn!
          死ねユダヤやろー!

          • Hungarian too!

            You can’t spell in any language. It’s not “Herr” although I appreciate the title moron!

    • Vidra

      Paramilitary groups – any non-government organisation that sports non-civilian style clothing – are pretty much banned throughout the European Union. I know you like a man who’s “Tall, blonde, dark and lean

      Rough and tough and strong and mean*” but they’ll just have to change their dress code. Plenty of alternative options on display at Gay Pride.

      *source: http://www.lyricsondemand.com/onehitwonders/itsrainingmenlyrics.html

      • Leto مرب

        You are right, they did remind me of a gay group with their vests :)

        • Koermendi

          Waiters on parade…

          • Leto مؤدّب

            Imagine Orban or Ader wearing the same vest with no pants. They’d be thrown out of Brussels.

    • Leto مؤدّب

      Although, I should leave the red star alone…

    • MagyarViking

      ” the red star should be legalized in Hungary”
      It is already that, just piuck up your nearest Heineken or pop down to your right-wing friend’s place called Marxim, where you can see a lot of Communist items, while eating your pizza

    • Janos

      Mark my words my son. There is nothing wrong with the red star.

  • HuFreedom

    Europe courts and systems continue to delegitimize themselves and prove their own extremist hypocrisy.

    • Leto مرب

      Just keep talking to yourself.

  • HuFreedom

    Europeans have a right to ban gays groups, muslim groups, religious groups, left-wing groups, community organizations, civilians groups, any group that helps their community like the Magyar Garad has done for Hungarians.

    When the red sludge incident happened, Magyar Garda was there, when the floods happened Magyar Garda was there, when elderly Hungarians are beaten up by Gypsies Magyar Garda was there. They will be there whether the European courts or Hungarian regime like them or not, they have not disappeared, just changed their name, and there is nothing idiot Socialist, Orban, frantic Jewish and Roma supremacist or bias courts can do about it.

    Hungarians will not become slaves or victims in their own country, no one has a right to tell Hungarians that they’re extremist and can be banned if they help their own people, no one.

    • Leto مرب

      You are an idiot HUfi

    • MagyarViking

      ” Magyar Garda was there”
      Were they close to Nyugati railway station around 18:20 Saturday evening also?

      • HuFreedom

        You guys are miserable. You hypocrisy has already been shown. It is okay for gays to march, okay for Roma groups to form so-called “civil rights groups”, okay for everyone to form whatever they want, except for Hungarians that live in their own land.

        I am not the idiot. Don’t give me crap about uniforms, that is an excuse by the criminals who hate the Magyar Garda to legitimize their banning and hate for an organization that has done a lot for Hungarians. Maybe, it is too hard for you to see because you’ve never been helped by them, maybe you never received bread or firewood from them like many villagers have, maybe because you’re Jewish, Gypsy, or gay, or whatever else and fear the Magyar Garda presence, especially when they march in communities where elderly and young Hungarians are victims of gangs and organized crime syndicates who no longer have the power to operate openly, or pray on the weak.

        • Vasko

          They are not just a group, they are vigilantes that think they are cops, with no training and think they are more powerful than they are! They are dangerous to democracy and should be imprisoned! Gathering, protesting etc. are not the same as walking around in large groups with paramilitary style uniforms acting like some sort of soldier intimidating innocent people!

          • HuFreedom

            Vigilantes, says who , say you, say their opponents?

          • Leto مؤدّب

            I say it also vigilantes Hufi!

          • HuFreedom

            I say you need to stop stealing peoples names.

            You’re trying to annoy and intimidate people off this site with your weirdness. It may have driven others off, but not me.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            Thanks for staying Hufi. I understand your motto: “Ask not what your country needs, ask yourself what would make dictator Orban happy.”

          • Thomas Buterbaugh

            The tactics of these kind of trolls are well known.It is mainly done by jewish organisations that pay folk to troll the internets in order to disrupt boards that do not follow the programme.One must be doing something right for this kind of intense trolling by sandor roszo/guru/roszti/leto 2/thomas buterball ad nauseum.The jewish troll(yes,more than likely a jew),is currently running over ten sock puppets and constantly having conversations with himself using his sock puppets.
            Fortunately for most serious internet posters,this troll(sandor et al)whilst most annoying is actually not very good.His childish babbling/name calling is very basic,low level.
            The site owner/moderator has the ability to curb this troll yet does nothing about it.
            Anyway,like I said ‘guest’.We must be saying something correct and stating our cases well to be honoured by this high level of low class trolling.

        • just saying

          “Don’t give me crap about uniforms, that is an excuse by the criminals who hate the Magyar Garda to legitimize their banning and hate for an organization that has done a lot for Hungarians.”

          So why don’t they just stop wearing the uniforms and marching like a paramilitary group, if they are so concerned about helping Hungarians? I saw a group of gays helping out during the flood; does that mean that you now agree that gay groups are good for Hungary, and you support them?

    • Vasko

      Vigilantes, that is all they are, too cowardly without large groups. We should all just run around then, being judge jury and executioner in your opinion? If it is okay to have them, then the Roma should start their own, the Jewish their own and so on and so forth. Total lawlessness is what you are looking for? I guess packing a few sandbags makes them great! Stupidity at its finest!

      • HuFreedom

        Really, Magyar Garda is cowardly for giving food, firewood, helping during the floods, patrolling bad areas?

        Please, you don’t know what your talking about. You should be so bias in your judgment of the good work done by men and women of the Magyar Garda.

        The Magyar Garda is not a vigilante group as you and others say. Give us an example where they have contributed to lawlessness?

        As for Jews and Roma starting their own, they already do. They have Jewish defense groups already operating in Budapest, and Roma have groups also, as well as gangs.The only lawlessness is the fact law isn’t provided to protect or serve Hungarians. Dozens of groups exist to serve Jewish and Roma groups, the Magyar Garda exist to serve Hungarians.

        • Leto مؤدّب

          You need to up your medication you postcommie bastardo.

          • stanlee98

            Congratulations. You just won the Dumbest Troll award.

          • Sándor Rózsa

            I knew you’d protect the nazis stanlee98. Keep trolling girlfriend!

        • Vasko

          yes, setting homes on fire and shooting children are so very noble, good thing they helped during the flood, because otherwise they do no other good. As far as helping concerned citizens, they will come and help you if you want to get back at Roma in your neighborhood. The only Hungarians they serve are the racist ones!

          • stanlee98

            “setting homes on fire and shooting children”

            What the hell are you talking about? The Garda have never done anything to hurt people, no killing, no violence, no arson, only peaceful protests and helping out where needed. Do you have a problem with that?

          • Solomon

            They are nazis! What are you talking about? Are you on drugs stanlee? Come to your senses before your neighbors call the ambulance.

          • stanlee98

            They are nazis because you say so, or do you have an intelligent explanation and some proof to support your allegations.
            If we look at the word “nazi”, it’s just short for “nationalist”.
            There’s nothing wrong with being a patriotic Hungarian, looking out for our own national interests instead of trying to make the “diaspora” happy. It’s an impossible mission anyway, they always want more, so might as well give up, and serve the Hungarian people instead.

          • Vasko

            Obviously you have never really read the articles associated with the killings I am referring to…it is why they were banned in the first place. Maybe you should look into why they were banned before you defend them on a public forum since most on here have heard about the 9 Garda originally charged and 4 convictions that took several years to accomplish against the Garda that committed these crimes and how the police took 9 months to investigate, (shows their corruption) and their lack of care for the victims.

          • stanlee98

            Obviously you have no idea what you’re talking about.
            The people who did the actual killing were no associated with Jobbik or the Garda. Of course this didn’t keep the Sunday Times from displaying a picture of the Garda when it reported the killings. Many uninformed people who read the article and didn’t take the trouble to follow up from independent sources may still believe the connection between the crimes and the Garda, even if it was only a baseless accusation.
            Jews, gypsies and the “elite” are afraid to lose their undeserved privileges if Jobbik gets majority in the parliament. That’s the reason for the constant Jobbik bashing from left and right, with the help of liberal media.
            Imagine the horrors if our new leaders would represent us, and national interests, instead of selling out to the globalist corporatocracy.

    • Sándor Rózsa

      Problem is that Hungarians are not European.

      • Hungarian

        You made me think about it. You are right!

  • Leto مرب

    Good move. I thank the MSZP for this.

  • False Flag 2

    We all know who controls European Courts and Human rights.. Useless Liberal Long Nose Communists..

    • Hungarian

      Those fucking Jews!
      Can’t get rid of them. They are hanging on by millions of nails!
      Disgusting bunch!

      • Janos

        Watch your language my friend

        • Hungarian

          You don’t tell me what to watch you fucking Jew.

          • Janos

            Again watch your language. Do your parents know what you are doing on their computer? I’m going to tell them!

  • szebbjovot

    The Magyar Garda was far from a paramilitary.

    • Vasko

      Really? Then why the uniforms? Why do they march like wannabe soldiers?

      • Hungarian

        Fuck off Jew !
        They march the way they like!
        It’s their country they are marching in, never forget!

        • Vasko

          You make a lot of assumptions don’t you? I am not Jewish, its hillarious to watch you as well as other morons on this site label people as a jew, post commie etc. just because they disagree with your stupidity. Being their country is a very poor argument since many Hungarians are jewish, Roma, gay etc. So it is okay for all of them?

          • Sándor Rózsa

            What they need is a Rozsa Sandor whooping their asses.

          • Hungarian

            I’m with you on that!

          • Hungarian

            Yeah?
            Maybe the real Rozsa should wipe your asses real good!

          • Sándor Rózsa

            That has a sexual connotation. You sound really lonely.

          • Testvér

            Vasko you don’t even realise that your whole false democracies platform is built on Socialist Communist ideals, just that they have dressed it up as being freedom, these people rule with deception and encourage that ignorance is bliss.. Every bit of tradition, culture and family values is taboo for them, all they want is to divide and rule, encourage individual egotism and materialism, but not to have a Christian God, especially a Catholic one, which involves the new testament because they highlight how Jesus conquered the Jews by his resurrection. This is what the Jews fear and try to smear ever since Jesus walked amongst us, just read the Talmud and you will see who these occultists really are, they will try and deny this fact because it’s written in their law not to expose this book of hellish laws.

          • Janos

            wow you are really, really confused testver – time for meds?

          • Vasko

            I do not believe for one second that any Hungarian that has never had a chance to leave and experience true democracy anywhere has a clue as to what it is, so before you begin to give me a bullshit description of what it is, realize that the example you have been shown in Hungary as to what is democracy is, is not true democracy. The propaganda you have been fed is lies. It is not just about having an election, then continuing on to do the same things as previous governments. The shit you describe above is not what it is like to live in a democracy, maybe a Hungarian one! I live in a true democracy and what you describe above is not what it is like. And please do not reply with the imperfections and how it is just as bad as communism, because I have lived in both and even though democracy is not perfect either it is still better than communism. What is happening in Hungary is NOT democratic.

          • stanlee98

            “true democracy”

            Where is it? Utopia?
            The US for example is in the business of exporting “freedom and democracy” by force to unwilling recipients.
            At the same time Americans have neither, the “land of the free” is being turned into an Orwellian society.

          • Vasko

            I do not live in the US, please do not assume!

          • St Istvan

            Peoples democracy is a lie, when you have a democracy that can be manipulated to make people vote on issues that are Gods Laws which men call natural law in many instances then you have a false democracy, when man is the centre of decision making without Christian God like the one that our Hungarian Kingdom from St Stephen served during our Tural dynasty who were fully aware of how evil can take over the roots of a nation. The St Crown is where all purity of God reined and no one or even King owned it, all they could do is serve the St Crown and the Carpathian basin which also represented the crown, which is the purist to Gods will then any other country in the world, we have the key to successful transcendence to reach a utopia called Heaven with our Christian traditional roots.

          • Curious George

            Yes, we too have something like the crown, but in our case, it is a wooden stick. All that is pure is represented in these wooden sticks which you can find in almost every country, including Hungary. If you don’t live by the laws of God, or Allah, or Jehovah, these wooden sticks can be used to thrash you until you reach utopia or nirvana or whatever. Any member of society holding the stick acts in the name of the Lord, and can ensure that other people live by his/her/its laws which can change depending on the person holding the wooden stick. My father had one such stick when I was young.

          • Discipline

            George you are sitting on that stick :))

          • Curious George

            Never looked at the wooden stick in that way. Did you have fun at your parade?

          • Holy

            Just like now the Atheists are thrashing people who disagree with them
            and are labelled terrorists, the biggest murderers in History were the
            Stalin Soviets who killed over 20 million people, and these Soviets were
            influenced by Jews. What about Nero and Alexander the jerk Little, sick
            bastards.

      • szebbjovot

        You think everyone with uniforms is a paramilitary?

        • Janos

          Yes they are.

        • Vasko

          military style ones that then go around thinking they are above the law targeting innocent people

          • stanlee98

            “they are above the law targeting innocent people”

            It’s the job of the police and the new “anti terrorist” storm troopers.
            When did the Garda attack anyone? Since when is peaceful gathering an offense?
            They might be guilty of not supporting corporate fascism,
            so they must be in the way of “progress”.
            This is how the opposition is treated in “democratic” countries.

          • Vasko

            I have seen many videos of their “peaceful” gatherings. Which include encouraging Hungarians to hate all that is Jewish, Roma, Homosexual. Then the beautiful marches where they are telling people they are going to die and many beautiful threatening phrases, claiming they are protecting Hungarians. I have a friend who lives in Cegled and he personally witnessed their behavior, the entire “peace” march was caused because of a dispute over someone who accidentally damaged his neighbors car. He just simply made a call to his Jobbik representative and made a complaint claiming his Roma neighbor had been violent. Turned out the violence never happened and the Roma was falsely accused. No apologies were made, no correction in the media regarding the issue, Nothing!

        • Leto مؤدّب

          Everyone with stupid black homoerotic vests.

    • Hungaro

      What should we expect from the globalist EU. You have clear point they helped alot of people, unlike the hungarian socialists.

    • Leto مؤدّب

      Far from anything but a hate gruppe.

  • HuFreedom

    The courts can say whatever they want, some bigwig doesn’t decide the fate of people.

    The Magyar Garda still exist as the New Garda. It still functions as before, helping and protecting, serving and giving back to their communities. That must make some of you haters really, really mad.

    • Leto مؤدّب

      Keep tryin’ ha?

    • just saying

      If that’s all they ever did, then I would applaud them. Unfortunately, just doing some good things does not make up for all the bad things you do, especially if you only do the good things to gain sympathy for your political views. I only respect do-gooders when they do good things for no reason other than to help.

      • stanlee98

        “make up for all the bad things ”

        Let’s see the long list of “bad things” you accuse the Garda with.

        • just saying

          No need, the important ones are documented right here on this website. Just search for “magyar garda”, or ask your grandchild to show you how.

          • stanlee98

            So you have nothing but prejudices. Can’t give me a single example of all the “bad things”. Try again.

          • just saying

            There are plenty of examples all over this website. Don’t blame me if you are too lazy to look them up. Of course, you aren’t, you just want to pretend to not know what I’m talking about, but I’ll continue to play the game, if you insist.

          • stanlee98

            You are the accuser, the burden of proof is on you, don’t be lazy, get the proof, or stop making false accusations.
            While you’re at it, tell us why do you believe everything you read in the zionist liberal media, and why do you think you need to add your voice to the anti-Hungarian crowd. It’s not very original.

        • Hungarian

          You are crazy. Only idiots talk like you.

  • olga

    her is a link that explains the reasons for Judgment and btw, how hilarious is it that Vona is turning to Strasbourg for “Justice” ?

    http://www.euronews.com/2013/07/09/banning-hungarian-far-right-group-was-legal-says-echr/

    • HuFreedom

      It is hilarious, because he should have known a biased court wouldn’t have sided with them. I’m surprised they thought they had a chance at justice and fairness.

      • olga

        Yeah, the ECHR being biased against a Neo-Nazi group – shocking outcome. – I think you should find a Jewish or Roma lawyer who would represent Vona pro bono and launch an Appeal based on Neo-Nazi groups being discriminated against in the EU justice system.

        • HuFreedom

          You show your blatant discrimination, because they aren’t neo-nazi groups. You can go and repeat that a million times but it doesn’t make it so.

          What people like you want is to derail the democratic and social rights of people you disagree with by labeling them “nazi, this way when they do go through a biased court system those deciding their fate will already dismiss them as “neo-nazis”, even though they have less in common with the Nazis then most left-wing groups have with the Communist.

          Funny how you people whine about calling people Jews or Zionist, but then throw around the “neo-nazi” label to dehumanize people whenever you want. You have no arguments, all the anti-Garda crowd has is fear, making people fear the evil “paramilitaries” and evil “nazis”. You guys are just as bigoted as those you accuse.

          • olga

            The meaning of words and phrases evolve and “
            neo- Nazi” today is not strictly referring to a
            “New NSDAP party” , “Gay” is not restricted to a group of happy people and “The Tea Party” does not mean women with hats and white gloves sipping tea .

            The clearest definition for me is from
            wiki ““Neo-Nazism borrows elements from
            Nazi doctrine, including militant nationalism, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, and antisemitism.”

            Try to remember that 12% of Hungarians support
            JOBBIK’s ideologies so I don’t know how your mind works, but do you believe
            that 88% of the electorate are anti-Hungarian?

            About the ECHR ruling – I don’t know why I
            bother but if you actually want to understand the legal issues (as if..) like I did, I found the following website the
            most concise and straight forward:

            http://freehungary.hu/component/content/article/1-friss-hirek/2079-echr-upholds-ban-on-hungarys-far-right-group-magyar-garda.html

            Responding to the rest of your posting would go
            under the heading of idopocsekolas – ask someone who speaks Hungarian what it means

          • Janos

            They are neo nazis my friend.

    • Hungarian

      fuck off Jewish bitch. He turns to wherever he likes to! Exactly to highlight how entranched your Jewish asses are!
      Little you understand of politics Jewish bitch!

      • Vasko

        Everyone is a jew if they defend them, shows your intelligence!

        • olga

          You have no idea how the Jewish population has increased on this website unless you have followed this site for about 3 years.

          I can name 5 people who used to be Christian and now just like me they are struggling with learning Hebrew. Luckily, when I have problems, I can count on Leto for remedial help – ( he was called a Zionist – seriously)

          • Sándor Rózsa

            Olga, anyone would be proud of having you as a menyecske.

          • Hungarian

            No doubt.

          • HuFreedom

            “I can name 5 people who used to be Christian and now just like me they are struggling with learning Hebrew.”

            Sure you can.

            Peter Daniel wouldn’t be one of them?

            I’m convinced that a few of the users on here are Peter Daniel’s alter ego.

          • olga

            Wrong again – Peter Daniel represent Jews like you represent Hungarians and those who are anti-Hungarian will paint me with the same brush as anti-Semites paint that fool.
            BTW, chances are you are just another Hungarian wannabe who found his niche with the JOBBIK crowd – I met Skinheads in Toronto and I actually ended up feeling sorry for them once I understood their backgrounds. Same shit different day

          • stanlee98

            Instead of “struggling with Hebrew”, why don’t you learn Hungarian?
            Jews don’t need your help, they get by on their own.
            They just managed to rip off this poor country another 500 million dollars. The shameless holocaust industry is going strong, and we don’t have a decent government to say no to their constant demands.
            We could have used that HUF100 billion for so many much needed improvements in Hungary.
            This is why the jewish mafia want to get rid of Jobbik and the Garda, they want their own people in power, so they can keep sucking the blood out of the country. Parasites.

          • olga

            Re: “Instead of “struggling with Hebrew”, why don’t you learn Hungarian? ”

            Let me explain this slowly in my most patronizing tone which in my “real life” I am famous for: I am not really learning Hebrew, that was a joke. I spoke Hungarian all my life and since I was born in Bp, my first words were in Hungarian as well , so technically, English is my second language . Care to discuss your own fluency when it comes to the Magyar nyelv?

            As for the rest of your posting. As much as I would like to get into a discussion with you since you sound like a fascinating open minded individual, I need to run and do something more interesting like changing the colour of my nail polish

          • Corrigator

            Olga, you shouldn’t descend to the level of crazies. Stanlee needs serious medication and a full-time psychiatrist.

          • Corrigator

            Dude there is nothing in Hungary. No economy, no intellectual capital. Hungarian Jews put Hungary on the map. Without them they would be the clone of Albania.

          • Hungarian

            There is no such thing as Hungarian Jews. There are Jews and there are Hungarians.
            You guys keep putting us on the map for the wrong reasons”
            Hungary was a prosperous country without your asses.
            You are just keep living off and ripping off the Hungarian achievement.
            You need Hungary not Hungary needs you.
            Don’t forget you thankless bunch.

      • Sándor Rózsa

        Talk nicely to a lady otherwise you’ll taste my ostor my ostoba friend.

        • Hungarian

          I agree! I take it back.

    • stanlee98

      This is your problem,olga. You fill your tiny little brain with anti-Hungarian propaganda, and fail to see the big picture. Anti-freedom activists are simpletons, they are the useful idiots who serve the current corrupt system.

      • Shmuel

        F$cken moron. That’s what you are!

      • szebbjovot

        România este mare

    • szebbjovot

      Vona is a criminal!

      • olga

        Ok, I see you are computer savvy , but honestly what’s your point ? Please don’t go through “the little ole’ lady from Csepel ” scenario again.

        BTW, I don’t think Vona is a criminal nor do I think he is crazy; he is an opportunist with good timing

        “Like vermin in a time of pestilence, neo-Nazi groups appear to be enjoying a resurgence in a Europe plagued by increasing financial chaos and uncertainty.”

        http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/05/11/peter-goodspeed-flirting-with-fascism-why-europe-cant-shake-its-
        weakness-for-nazism/

        No doubt he also knew what the outcome of the ECHR’s decision would be because the lawyer who filed the Appeal would have advised him of the relevant legislation and the expected ruling so it was designed for “grand-standing” in front of his disciples and judging by the comments around here it worked.

        • szebbjovot

          Olga, this forum needs you. You at least care.

  • echrmentes

    Blimey – the ECHR statement sounds like the old Weapons of Mass Destruction suspicion that Bush used. “..amounted to a danger of violence, generated conflict, attacked public order and peace and violated the right to liberty and security of the inhabitants of the villages” but then this killer statement : “even if each of the demonstrations, strongly controlled by police forces, had finished without any acts of actual violence.”

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