September 10th, 2013

Opposition DK-Socialist election talks break down

Talks between the opposition Socialists and the leftist opposition Democratic Coalition (DK) broke down on Tuesday, and DK now planned to run alone in the 2014 parliamentary elections, DK leader Ferenc Gyurcsany said. Analysts said the rejection veered the ex-premier in a difficult situation.

The former prime minister said his party was still open to cooperation opportunities in the eight months ahead until the elections, even at the last minute.

Gyurcsany said the Socialists had proposed cooperation in four instead of nine constituencies, all of which were impossible to win. In addition they offered every 25th place on their party list and would have banned Gyurcsany himself from running either individually or on a list. Another request was that DK should not present a platform of its own. The party could not accept these conditions, Gyurcsany said.

DK had earlier proposed to the Socialists that the two parties should have a joint list and wanted the second place on the joint list.

After the talks, the Socialists said the party had offered three individual constituencies to DK in Mohacs, Marcali and Keszthely. E14-PM had been ready to transfer to Budapest’s 12th district to Gyurcsany’s party, they added. One of the offers was for a constituency in the Socialist party’s top ten as well one between the 11th and 30th places. The Socialists added that they would have welcomed preliminary coordination talks about the candidates for both the individual constituencies and the party list.

The Socialists already have an electoral agreement with the E14-PM alliance, based on which they will have separate lists and joint candidates in individual constituencies.

Leading analyst of think-tank Szazadveg Tamas Lanczi said that the Socialists may trust that as the largest opposition party they could win over voters from the smaller parties. He added, however, that there is also a great risk of “Gyurcsany, from a hopeless position, using just anything for survival”. As a former PM, Gyurcsany possesses a lot of information and could wage a war for Socialist voters, Lanczi argued.

The situation favours the ruling parties, as the Left cannot present new faces; “it is but politicians of the past that keep surfacing”, who can be confronted with their pre-2010 failings, Lanczi argued.

Political Capital’s Attila Juhasz said that the Socialists were probably determined not to have further allies and give up further constituencies after 31 had already gone to E14-PM. On the other hand, an agreement was vital for DK, which will probably not garner more than 100,000-120,000 votes, not enough to secure seats in parliament.

Gyurcsany himself would probably have deterred a large number of uncertain voters from the Socialists, Juhasz said.

While the Socialist will try to win over some of DK’s supporters by telling them that votes on DK would be lost for the Left, Gyurcsany will use “all his might” and try and maximise media coverage in the campaign.

Socialist leader Attila Mesterhazy said on Tuesday that his party eventually decided not to run together with DK at the 2014 election primarily because Gyurcsany is a person who greatly divides society.

Mesterhazy told a forum held at the party headquarters, broadcast by commercial news channel ATV, that in order to win next year’s election, the Socialists need to win over uncertain voters. The party board decided that running with Gyurcsany would keep uncertain voters away, he added.

The Socialists have declined to sign an election deal with DK and Gabor Fodor’s liberal party because both parties presented excessive expectations compared to their social support.

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  • szebbjovot

    Seriously? DK voterbase is insignificant at best, and is mostly made up of senile elderly scum like this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4t–u1jg4I

    The majority of Hungarians don’t even know that Gyurcsány left MSzP…

    Even MIÉP deserves more media coverage :))

    • Leto مؤدّب

      “Even MIÉP deserves more media coverage :))”

      I disagree with that. Gyurcsány must be featured in the media so that he could properly “wage that war for Socialist voters”…
      Let their less than one percent support grow…. Of course only up to 4.5% maximum (or 3.5% to be on the safe side)

      • Hajra Magyarek!

        I lov u leto. You shud join us in JObbi! We lov yur writins!

    • Leto مؤدّب

      Please note that the disgusting Jewish/Jew-licking libturd posting under various names such as szebbjovot/justasking/rosti/Rollo/Harry/Leo/Lydia/Sissie/Vasile/Hungarian, etc. has made 1825 comments so far.

      Please hover the mouse pointer over the avatar to see this.

  • Leto مؤدّب

    “the Socialists had proposed cooperation in four instead of nine
    constituencies, all of which were impossible to win. In addition they
    offered every 25th place on their party list and would have banned
    Gyurcsany himself from running either individually or on a list. Another
    request was that DK should not present a platform of its own

    How generous! :D :D

    “there is also a great risk of Gyurcsany, from a hopeless position,
    using just anything for survival”. As a former PM, Gyurcsany possesses a
    lot of information and could wage a war for Socialist voters

    Yes….! A cup of coffee for me, please. :)

  • Hungarian

    Why is Gyurcsany Ferengi still a news with 1% of the Ferengi vote?

    • Leto مؤدّب

      Why are you still posting here libturd?

      • Leto مؤدّب

        Let’s note that the disgusting Jewish/Jew-licking libturd posting under various names such as rosti/Rollo/Harry/Leo/Lydia/Sissie/Vasile/Hungarian, etc. has made 17 comments so far.

        Please hoover the mouse pointer over the avatar to see this.

        • MagyarViking

          “the disgusting Jewish/Jew-licking libturd”
          (http://www.politics.hu/20130910/opposition-dk-socialist-election-talks-election-break-down/#comment-1038120673)

          Again the real ‘leto’ is making a typical racist remark well recognised by the Hungarian fascists, without any proof of the posters etnicity/religion, which is shown by the open use of the expression “Jewish/Jew-licking”

          Also to connect Judaism with Liberalism is a typical hallmark of Hungarian fascists

          I suppose our ‘leto’ is now feeling very lucky after coming out of her self-imposed closet of ‘political correctness’
          The timing is though questionable – Why now, when all signs are that her earlier so beloved Fidesz is going to win at least a single majority, maybe even a new 2/3rd majority in the 2014-18 Parliament?

          Is it that I earlier published a list of well-known Fidesz MPs of Jewish ethnicity/religion that has got her to totally lose it?
          Or is it just that her Jewish husband left her and took all the children (or actually did not do that, then they are just half-breeds that now our ‘leto’ has to work with)?
          So many questions and no answers, just abuse from ‘leto’
          No wonder the poor guy left…

          • Leto مؤدّب

            How many times are you going to copy the same shit in reply to my posts?

            Well, then I can write only the very same:

            This is not a racist comment. It’s just a true one, Swedish moron.
            This libturd troll is someone who is either Jewish (even if he denies it) or a “Jew-licker”, that is someone like wolfi who tries to compensate for his Nazi father and that’s why he sucks up to these extremist, anti-Hungarian persons such as Ákos Kertész, György Konrád, Tamás Bauer, etc.

            That disgusting “libturd” scum all wear the word “Jewish” on their sleeves and they all claim so-called “antisemitism” when they are attacked for their anti-Hungarian statements.
            I consider yourself anti-Hungarian, too, belong to the same category as this scum, but you are at least not a “Jew-licker”.

            I didn’t need to come out of any “closet of political correctness” where I wasn’t in and there’s nothing wrong with the Jewish etnicity of anyone “per se”, not even with the Jewish etnicity of Fidesz MPs you listed.

          • MagyarViking

            ahh, getting touchy..?
            Good
            and I will continue….as I always done…

          • DoubleH63

            Racist ignorant pig.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            Disgusting Jewish/Jew-licking libturd posting under various names such
            as rosti/Rollo/Harry/Leo/Lydia/Sissie/Vasile/Hungarian/DoubleH63, Leto مؤدّب etc.

          • Guest

            You sound like “Hungarian.” Are you guys the same?

          • Leto مؤدّب

            No, but you disgusting Jewish/Jew-licking libturd posting under various names such as rosti/Rollo/Harry/Leo/Lydia/Sissie/Vasile/Hungarian,DoubleH63, Leto مؤدّب /Guest are definitely the same.

          • pete

            Dude, stop taking up all the space on this forum. You sound paranoid.

          • Hungarian

            Fucking jew.
            Get off my country.

          • Hungarian

            If you have a problem with Hungarians, move back to north africa you goat shagger..

        • Hungarian

          That’s all what Jews can do.
          Hide behind the identity of real people.
          They have centuries of experience in faking others.

      • Hungarian

        Why are you still alive?
        You supposed to be vanquished in WWII!

  • MagyarViking

    “Gyurcsany is a person who greatly divides society

    “in order to win next year’s election, the Socialists need to win over uncertain voters. The party board decided that running with Gyurcsany would keep uncertain voters away”

    Both of those two remarks are probably true. Gyurcsány seems toi have a problem attracting mainstream voters since the summer of 2006, even if I agree with Gyurcsány’s pre-election analyses of the MSZP election-strategy in the 2010 elections, as ‘no chance of winning with just a new face, but same policies’

    MSZP goes to election in 2014 with no big difference from 2010, except 4 years of Fidesz-rule
    The question is if that is enough?

    • Voiceofreason

      I love Gyurcsany! DK is the only party that has sensible policies in Hungary. Fidesz are just populist. MszP do not have the balls to stand against Fidesz on issues such as giving votes to people who don’t actually live in Hungary, because they are scared that might frighten off voters.

      Its good that there is one party offering Hungary sensible solutions.

      If the Hungarians don’t want to vote for them then that’s their look out, but at least they have the opportunity.

      • Leto مؤدّب

        “I love Gyurcsany!”

        And you call yourself “Voiceofreason”. :D

        That’s jolly good indeed. :D

        • MagyarViking

          written by someone who loves Whorban….

        • Voiceofreason

          I know that you prefer the Godfather of Felcsút, but I prefer honest politicians! :)

          • Leto مؤدّب

            Yeah, you love “someone honest” who admitted to his comrades-in-crime behind closed doors that “we lied day and night”, they did “hundreds of tricks [the comrades-in-crime] need not know about” and they “did nothing at all” in order to win the election.
            :D :D

          • Voiceofreason

            I think we already had this discussion once before about Oszod. At least Gyurcsany admitted he lied.

            Interesting that you never comment on the corruption of the Orban Mafia, such as the tobacco gate scandal. I guess that is just an inconvenient truth you have to turn a blind eye to.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            Yeah, he admitted to his comrades-in-crime behind closed doors. And then this was leaked out by this political genius … :D

          • Voiceofreason

            I think you are deluding yourself.

            It is a fact that many of Orban’s close friend have managed to win tenders to lease land from the state at very low rentals, while local farmers lost out in those tenders.

            It is a fact that the “government” reduced the number of tobacco outlets to 5,000 thus creating very lucrative businesses, and then gave licences out only to people who are members of the party.

            Just two examples of Fidesz corruption. Do you care to comment on these?

            Whatever you think of Orban, you have to admit that Fidesz (or at least the leadership of it) are corrupt, don’t you?

          • Leto مؤدّب

            Blah, blah, you Gyurcsány-fan… :D

            “Do you care to comment on these?”

            Yes: 5000 tobacco outlets are too many.

          • Guest

            Racist pork!

          • Leto مؤدّب

            I love to smoke my tobacco and contribute to Fidesz :D

          • nimh

            Admitting you lied “day and night” for years on end still doesn’t exactly turn you into an “honest politician”. Shit, I despise Orban’s clique as much as anyone, but Gyurcsany as example of an honest politician? That must be a joke… That’s like saying that a man who has confessed having cheated multiple times is a “faithful man”.

      • MagyarViking

        Gyurcsány’s criticism against the MSZP is that MSZP tend to make similar populists policies as Fidesz
        If Fidesz demands a 13th-month salary, MSZP will demand a 14th-month salary…

        Except to unite the anti-Fidesz vote, I see no real political reason why DK and MSZP would cooperate. For both it should be better to go separate ways and seek support for their different policies. The problems both will have is though how to show that they actually are different from each other, then it was not only Gyrcsány’s fault that MSZP lost out in 2006-2010

        It was the MSZP MPs that kept Gyurcsány as their PM until 2009. Maybe MSZP would have had another outcome in 2010 if they would have replaced Gyurcsány in 2006?

        Anyway, history is history, but I think MSZP will have a problem attracting swing-voters and true Gyurcsánites, so they will be left with their core-voters
        The real test for Fidesz will be E14-PM and Bajnai

        • Voiceofreason

          I agree that there is no reason why they would cooperate. Even to oust Fidesz. I know lots of DK supporters who would not consider voting for MszP, so they may not even harm each other by running separately.

      • Leto مؤدّب

        Let’s note that the disgusting Jewish/Jew-licking libturd posting under various names such as Voiceofreason, justasking/rosti/Rollo/Harry/Leo/Lydia/Sissie/Vasile/Hungarian, etc. has made 1000 comments so far.

        Please hover the mouse pointer over the avatar to see this.

        • Voiceofreason

          You are really fucked up aren’t you.

          This is a discussion board where people discuss politics. I express my opinion that DK is my preferred party because I think they have the policies that may help Hungary to catch up with Western Europe.

          I could not care whether DK are Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Hindu or atheist. To me that is irrelevant to to discussion.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            ” DK is my preferred party because I think they have the policies that may help Hungary to catch up with Western Europe.”

            Can you explain please how “lying day and night” to people, “doing everything to conceal” what you were up to after the elections, those “hundreds of tricks” and “doing nothing at all” would help Hungary in any way?

            Thanks.

          • szebbjovot

            He is right, DK would indeed make Hungary more Western European (in the modern sense).

            And that is what we must avoid.

          • Leto مؤدّب

            Well, I guess I agree because here “catching up with Western Europe” must mean multiculturalism, the so-called “gay marriage”, suppressing nationalism/patriotism, etc.

          • Ceausescu

            If you want Hungarians to survive, concentrate on a strong, dynamic economy. Jews, gays, foreigners can contribute as well. Hungary should not relinquish nation-state status, but at the same time should not be so intolerant towards others who may have much to contribute (i’m not refering to the Socialists, which Jews and Gays suport by default, due to people like yourself, regardless of how disastrous their past and present policies have been and can be for HUngary). Take a moment to study the evolution of the ethnic make-up of the Region in the past 20 years. Romanians, Slovaks, Hungarians and others are all disapearing. Everyone needs to be in survival mode, and 20th century biggoted ideas will not help. Hungarians will be among the first to collapse in the absence of the preservation of the state. It is alright to get some foreigners to come to Hungary (preferably culturally easier to integrate ones), but the young Hungarians from neighboring countries should be encouraged to move as well in greater numbers than the foreigner inflow. Would you not kick yourself if the next Steve Jobs, who created a company 4X larger than HUngary’s GDP, mainly on intelectual autput was a Jew, Gay, or foreigner who you do not want to welcome to your country or respect them once living beside you?

        • Leto مؤدّب

          Nope, hovering over your avatar reveals that you have made only 69 comments so far. It’s a long way to 3500+ posts… :)

        • Ceausescu

          Leto, it is unfortunately people like you who do much discredit to the right by such uncivilized discusion. Jews have the right to express themselves as well. Let us come up with smart, inteligent, factual responses. I know that it is not the electoral technique prescribed in “Mein Kampf” (techniques used by all politicians today), but at this point, you have to be smart enough to realize that such comments are counter-productive.

  • pantanifan

    I think maybe Mesterházy is playing a longer game: first, make sure the MSZP has fewer competitors on the left (in any case Gyurcsány is quite divisive even among left-leaning voters), then show his party to be the largest opposition party at the next elections, and wait another 4 years for Fidesz to self-destruct, with more comments like Kövér’s ruling by decree, and maybe even internal opposition to Orbán…

    • Leto مؤدّب

      ” Mesterházy is playing a longer game”

      That’s the only thing he can do, given that according to the average of the three latest polls Fidesz would get 70 percent of the seats in general elections if held now.

  • Leto مؤدّب

    A great quote from Gábor Vágó, an MP of opposition party LMP concerning this news:

    MSZP has made it evident they are playing for ‘betli’*. Mesterházy is not driven by the desire to beat Fidesz, all he wants is to clear the field from other players on the left.

    We broke the discourse “cooperation is needed by any means and then Fidesz will go automatically”. So where are these “cooperation by any means” guys now? Who from their ranks would confront MSZP in the media with their mantra in the last two years?

    *That’s a technical term in a popular Hungarian card game (“ulti”) for the situation when a player has very low value cards and, because of this, he’d pledge not to score anything.

    :D

  • Leto مؤدّب

    Another quote from an unnamed MSZP MP:

    “We cannot take on that the election campaign would be about the Őszöd speech. In reality Gyurcsány may have about 80 thousands voters but according to polls he would put off half a million people from voting on a Socialist-led party list.”

    http://www.nepszava.hu/articles/article.php?id=676087&referer_id=friss

  • Hungarian

    What a miserable sore looser this Gyurcsany guy is.
    Betrayed even by his own ferengies on the left and right…..

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