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February 13th, 2014

Jewish leader condemns Jobbik politician’s Holocaust remarks

A Jewish leader in the east Hungarian city of Debrecen has protested against a remark by a radical nationalist Jobbik politician suggestive of Holocaust denial.

Tibor Agoston, a local lawmaker who is also the deputy chairman of Jobbik’s Debrecen and Hajdu-Bihar County organisations, referred at a public event earlier in the week to the “Holoscam”.

Tamas Horovitz, chairman of the Debrecen Jewish Congregation, said in a statement that he found Agoston’s words “revolting”, adding that he had filed a report with the police on the ground of Holocaust denial.

The E-PM electoral alliance also condemned the Jobbik politician and similarly filed a report with the police.

The Jobbik party said in a statement on Thursday that it condemned all types of genocide and bowed its head to all innocent victims, but at the same time it regretted that “a section of the Hungarian Jewish community does not simply want to commemorate the Holocaust but use it for its own material and political goals, too.”

Agoston said in a separate statement that the Jobbik statement chimed with his own opinion.

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  • Standard

    “Holoscam”

    Jewish interest groups are really pushing too hard. “Holoscam” is not denying that some Jews may have been deported and treated badly by Germans, it probably refers to the ongoing ripoff scheme and untouchable status, based on the unfortunate event they now call “holocaust”. I don’t know anyone who would flatly deny the atrocities in WWII, including the deportations. It was a despicable crime, but it happened in a war, where tens of millions of non-Jews have suffered similar or even worse fate. Only Jews have managed to make a lucrative racket out of disrespecting the victims. I see no reason why “survivors” (real and fake) are still entitled to payouts. They were the lucky ones, and apparently survived in very good health to live to a ripe old age. I think it would be in the best interest of everyone to just let it go already, stop the undeserved “reparations”, the constant “anti-Semite” and “holocaust-denier” whining, no more memorials, no more special treatment. I’m all for equal rights, why is it not enough for the special people?
    I hope at least Jobbik will have the courage to resist the pressure, from these hostile Jewish groups and their unreasonable demands.

    • MagyarViking

      “not denying that some Jews may have been deported and treated badly by Germans”

      Yes, “some”, like over 400.000 fellow Hungarians were deported and the remaining 200.000 or so were “treated badly by” the 150 or so Germans who were busying themselves with that, while being on a paid vacation in Hungary…
      No one died and no Hungarian was guilty of any wrongdoing
      An accurate description of History as you know it

      • Standard

        “over 400.000 fellow Hungarians were deported”

        Believe what you want.
        Tell me why is it so important to you to support the holocaust industry? Do you get a cut from the extorted money?
        WWII is ancient history, and history is written by Jews.
        You take it as the truth, I take it as fiction.
        If you hate Hungary so much, why don’t you go and live with your buddies in Tel Aviv? We can do just fine without your kind.

    • Standard

      The Aerosol Grey Machine in action.
      Thank you for all the anonymous down votes. Obviously you anti-Hungarian MAZSIHISZ trolls have nothing to say.

    • Aloof

      I fully agree that everyone is pretty much tired of the “Holocaust Industry” extortion that Fidesz and Jobbik seem to love provoking and thus perpetuating it. Thanks a lot.

      But there’s a whole new “Industry” out there these days isn’t there that Fidesz and Jobbik lovers are fully engaged with. Can’t deny that it exists.

      Not for me to judge whether right or wrong because I’ve never let jews become an obsessive compulsive disorder in my life like the Fascist anti-Semite trolls found at this site.

      BTW… do you live in one “them thar” 90% lily white little towns in the Midwest USA? Relax… I’m vanilla too through and through but a better flavor.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Fbb8FYNAE7Y

    • Reality Check

      As usual Standard posts opinion not based in reality. Among his distortions and lies includes his statement that Holocaust survivors: “They were the lucky ones, and apparently survived in very good health to live to a ripe old age”.

      http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/06/holocaust.survivor.cancer/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fhealth%2Fmentalhealth%2Fstress+(CNNHealth+(Mental)%3A+Stress)

      Compared to Europeans who experienced WWII, those also exposed to the Holocaust higher rates of cancer. Similar findings in the literature for mental illness and other health issues.

      My mother and grandparents fled Hungary as the Soviets advanced on Budapest. Her life was very difficult and she spent nine years in DP camps. However, she was never starved or experienced the horrors a target of genocide. She was among the luck ones, all the Jews she grew up with were murdered.

      Yeah sure, the Jews were the lucky ones.

      • Standard

        “Jews were the lucky ones”

        Zionist Jews, like Ben Gurion were the really lucky ones. All their wishes came true. Part of the plan was to see as many (mostly poor and innocent) Jews murdered, to reach the goal of 6 million.
        Uncle Ben had no use for the poor, old and sick, so the Germans actually carried out his plan. The smart, influential and rich managed to get out of harm’s way.
        6 million is a large enough number to put them into an excellent position. We may never know the real number, for the holocaust industry it’s the more the merrier. The world turned upside down, Jews became from a persecuted group to the untouchable rulers.
        Only a small fraction of the extorted “reparation” money went to the survivors, most of it paid for the Israeli military and building up the settlements. I don’t wish to support the militant, apartheid regime, so I strongly oppose any more payments and “aid” to Israel. Jews are rich enough to support their own excesses.

        • wolfi

          Just read my comment above …

      • Ellen Hanson

        The Hungarian Jews were not murdered, they were sent to camps, like the rest of the Jews. Read ‘The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, The Case Against the Presumed Extermination of the European Jews’, by Northwestern Prof Arthur Butz.

        • wolfi

          “Butz is a tenured associate professor in electrical engineering.” so obviously he must be an expeet on WW2 …
          And you are a troll:
          ” people who engage in trolling are characterized by personality traits that fall in the so-called Dark Tetrad: Machiavellianism (willingness to manipulate and deceive others), narcissism (egotism and self-obsession), sychopathy (the lack of remorse and empathy), and sadism (pleasure in the suffering of others).”

          http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2014/02/internet_troll_personality_study_machiavellianism_narcissism_psychopathy.html

          • Ellen Hanson

            Read the book. Or try thinking for a minute – we’ve all seen the film/photos of holocaust victims, right? These photos were taken at Belsen, not a death camp, after the war ended, by British troops. 35,000 prisoners died of tyhpus/dysentery at Belsen at the end of the war, 10000 after the camp was liberated. The Brits made a film from the footage, Hitchcock edited, it was shelved for 50 years, now you can see it online google frontline memory of the camps. The ‘evidence’ of the holocaust is photos of typhus victims.

          • Reality Check

            There are lots of lines of evidence of the murder of the European Jews. Including documents that the Germans and Hungarians did not destroy.

            The photographic evidence is from many camps not just from Belsen. And your stating that shows you have no clue beyond what you read in a falsification of history.

            http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/ccphototoc.html

            And what do you mean “not the death camp”. You think there was only one death camp?

            http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/blchart.htm

            And for you to assert that “the evidence” of the holocuast is pictures of typhus victims is complete nonsense.

            The allies found lots of evidence of mass murder that the Nazis did not cover up.

            http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007271

            The eye-witness accounts of survivors counts among the most compelling evidence of the atrocities.

            You are peddling in denialism.

          • Ellen Hanson

            Spielberg made a movie of witnesses, ‘The Last Days’ featuring 5 ‘survivors’. One was Irene Zizblatt who claimed that she kept 5 diamonds during her year at Auschwitz by repeatedly swallowing them and then retrieving them from the nether end, among other absurdities. The movie was vetted by Jewish rabbis and scholars. It won an academy award. To see just what degenerate liars were in the movie see ‘The Last Days of the Big Lie’ ….

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80GgRWuXcO8

          • Reality Check

            Narratives have been recorded for around 50,000 holocaust survivors. There is nothing compelling about your doubt of the story of the diamonds. You are called on the fact that there were many camps and photographic evidence from many camps, so you pedal some other line of Holocaust denial.

            http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/

            Eric your site’s comment section has become a sewer of Holocaust denialism.

          • Ellen Hanson

            There are as you say 50,000 narratives, and Spielberg had his pick. He chose the best, the most convincing, etc. So, watch the movie and you’ll see that the best that Spielberg could find are all obvious pathological liars. WATCH THE MOVIE.

            As for the documents, the Nazis were great record keepers. The Soviets captured the Auschwitz documents, including death certificates for each prisoner that died, and ‘death books’ summarizing the results. They hid the books for 50 years and finally revealed them in 1990. At that time the stone plaque on the entrance to Auschwitz, which said that 4 million were murdered there, was taken down and replaced by one that says 1.5 milliion died there. The records show that the actual number was about 100,000 (the records are not complete)_. This is an Auschwitz Museum page on the documents ..

            Auschwitz documents

            The records for the camps that the US/Brits liberated are still hidden, over 6,000,000 documents, at Bad Arolsen in Germany.

          • wolfi

            Just google this “Ellen Hanson Holocaust” – this character is all over the ‘net spouting its nonsense!

          • Reality Check

            Yes, I saw. Ellen is quite the rat, scurrying from site to site spreading denialist and revisionist nonsense.

          • Standard

            “denialist and revisionist nonsense”

            I have yet to see a single post flatly denying the so called “holocaust”. Revision is another matter, even Jews had to admit to some exaggerations and false claims. So they used their influence and special people status to rewrite the laws, making historical research and uncovering the truth a crime. Why? Do they have something to hide?

          • olga

            I hate to reply to you because I try to ignore you but not everyone would understand my suspicion and you would.

            Any chance “Ellen” is “Elle” aka Nazi woman?

          • Standard

            “Holocaust denialism”

            Do you have any proof of that?

          • Standard

            I see. You don’t have the proof, but you can always vote me and the facts down. How pro-semite of you.

          • olga

            I think you and I made a mistake and logged into the David Duke/Stormfront/ Hitler fan website.

            I am trying to figure out what possesses you and others to try and convince these people that “the earth is not flat” and btw “sewer” is a rather mild description

          • Reality Check

            I am not trying to convince them of anything. Just countering their lies for others who may be confused by their nonsense.

          • olga

            What you call “nonsense” are calculated vicious nauseating comments by the Hitler fans – I have absolutely no right to tell you how to deal with the scum of society and I maybe 100 percent wrong but I think you are giving them what they want by “debating” – there is nothing to ” debate ” about death camps any more than there is to debate about the victims of the Hungarian Revolution and all the documented victims mentioned in the Terror House – all documented history.
            Luckily for the Hungarian heroes and innocent victims , no one is trying to negate their deaths nor their sufferings.

            Please don’t think I am being critical of your decision to “counter lies” – I was so taken back and nauseated some of these postings that I simply pushed the reply button to you instead of using common sense and closing the website

          • Reality Check

            Remaining silent in the face of growing anti-semmistism is not an option.

            I do not consider what I am doing debating, but rather confronting. Without confrontation the lies spread.

          • Standard

            “Remaining silent in the face of growing anti-semmistism”

            What you call “anti-semitism” is actually a natural reaction to the ever-increasing influence of Jewish special interest groups. They rely on the “anti-semite” propaganda to have a reason to exist and collect donations. They are pushy and arrogant, a sure way to generate resentment. There’s nothing evil about that, a few intelligent and brave people simply dare to defend their country’s interests.
            If Jews really wanted to live in peace, they could simply stop complaining, lose the permanent victim attitude and work with us instead of against us. Simple, isn’t it?

          • Standard

            “I maybe 100 percent wrong”

            Now you’re getting close.

            “no one is trying to negate their deaths nor their sufferings.”

            Of course not. Unlike Jews, they are not getting paid for their sufferings. The special people on the other hand are very much interested in extorting as much money as possible, so it’s not unlikely that they cooked the books.
            That’s why it’s illegal to research the facts, and go with their claims.
            I still don’t agree with paying “reparations” only to a selected group, and ignore the suffering of tens of millions of victims in WWII.

          • olga

            I see you have a problem in comprehension which adds up considering your postings. “I may be 100 percent wrong” cannot be taken out of context, it is clear what I was referring to.

            Regardless of your odious comments in general, I agree with the last sentence so I suggest you start a class action
            suit against Russia for all the horrible sufferings endured by those millions of victims who had the misfortune to be “liberated” by the Soviet Union after WWII

          • Standard

            David Duke is not a “Hitler fan”, he’s actually a lot more reasonable than your Jewish friends let you believe.
            Why don’t you go to his website and watch a few videos without prejudice. You may find that he’s not the enemy.
            Who am I kidding, you are incapable of independent, critical thinking, you simply dismiss ideas based on the biased Zionist media propaganda.

          • Standard

            “The eye-witness accounts of survivors counts among the most compelling evidence of the atrocities.”

            Many of those “eyewitness accounts” turned out to be lies.
            You’ll find some of them in the Spielberg collection of survivor tales.
            Myths of Auschwitz about 4 million (now lowered to 1.5 million) people killed in gas chambers and cremated is just plain impossible, given the fact that the camp didn’t have the capacity to carry out that many murders and cremations.
            Of course the real number of 80,000 is still too many, even if only a quarter of those deaths were the result of executions and brutality.
            I know there were other camps, and many innocent Jews were murdered, but 10 times as many innocent non-Jews suffered similar or even worse fate in the war, why do we discriminate against them?

  • Wangchuck

    Hungarians should start obsessively demanding that Israeli Jews quit being racist to their African immigrants; afterall, it’s only right that Hungary interferes in Jewland’s affairs if Jews are going to interfere with Hungary!

  • brutus

    the Jewish self serving myths of the 20th century are being laid waste to …. tik toc

  • Standard

    “Holoscam”

    Jewish interest groups are really pushing too hard. “Holoscam” is not denying that some Jews may have been deported and treated badly by Germans,
    it probably refers to the ongoing ripoff scheme and untouchable status, based on the unfortunate event they now call “holocaust”.
    I don’t know anyone who would flatly deny the atrocities in WWII, including the deportations.
    It was a despicable crime, but it happened in a war, where tens of millions of non-Jews have suffered similar or even worse fate.
    Only Jews have managed to make a lucrative racket out of disrespecting the victims. I see no reason why “survivors” (real and fake) are still entitled for payouts.
    They were the lucky ones, and apparently survived in very good health to live to a ripe old age.
    I think it would be the best interest of everyone to just let it go already, stop the undeserved “reparations”, the constant “anti-Semite” and “holocaust-denier” whining,
    no more memorials, no more special treatment.
    I’m all for equal rights, why is it not enough for the special people?
    I hope at least Jobbik will have the courage to resist the pressure, from these hostile Jewish groups and their unreasonable demands.

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