March 11th, 2014

Vandalism of Hungarian monument in Ukraine “appalling”, says govt official

The renewed vandalisation of a landmark Hungarian monument in Verecke, in western Ukraine, is “appalling”, the office of the state secretary for Hungarian minorities abroad said on Tuesday.

The state secretary’s office sent a statement to MTI in reaction to reports that on Monday night unidentified perpetrators had set alight the memorial to the Hungarian conquest of the Carpathian Basin in 895.

While Ukraine is fighting to overcome a crisis and promote democratisation, some people are using this extremely dangerous situation to try to ratchet up tensions by vandalising the memorial, the statement said.

“Hungary has repeatedly stood up for Ukraine’s democratisation and supports the signing of an association agreement with the European Union at the earliest possible date,” the state secretary’s office said. It is incomprehensible that Ukrainian extremists are trying to undermine good relations between the two countries with such actions, it added.

Hungary expects the leaders of Ukraine’s new law-enforcement authorities to make every effort to guarantee the constitutional rights of ethnic Hungarians, stop provocations inciting ethnic tension, fight extremism and find the perpetrators without delay, the statement said.

Deputy head of the Hungarian Cultural Alliance of Transcarpathia, Laszlo Brenzovics, told MTI that security cameras captured two masked people climbing onto the monument at 9pm on Monday and pouring flammable liquid and torching it.

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  • MagyarViking

    “Ukrainian extremists”
    We really should not make any assumptions on the ethnicity of these guys, then it is at least 50% chance/risk that this was yet another attempt by pro-Russian forces to create distrust towards EuroMaidan/Ukraine and as such it was rather successful…

    • MagyarViking

      One of the more obvious examples the Russians are up to:
      “1745 GMT: The Kyiv Post reports that a man with a Russian passport has been arrested in the Donetsk Oblast yesterday on charges that he was “preparing explosions and orchestrating other acts of diversion”:

      “The danger of the detainee is that he’s not just a regular guy, he’s a trained, professional saboteur,” [SBU Chief Valentyn Nalyvaichenko] said. “And this individual walked about the land of miners with explosives and set up diversion groups to prepare explosions in public places where masses of people had gathered.”

      Nalyvaichenko said the man was a member of a “foreign special service” and has organized a number of extremist groups in eastern Ukraine. He has also allegedly supplied the groups with explosives and weapons.”

      http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-22-kiev-established-a-new-national-guard/#1745

      • DoubleH63

        “foreign special service”

        Damn, the CIA got busted again?

        • MagyarViking

          According to Swedish sources the leader for this group (it seems more than one has been arrested) is an Officer of GRU (Russian Military Intelligence). He is coming from the Russian city of Rjazan – a wellknown Rusian Military Region
          So if CIA has not “developed” their connections with GRU, I do not think you need to worry…

    • Aloof

      Well in 1939 just before WWII really got going Polish and Hungarian Occupying NAZI forces killed 600 Ukrainian Freedom fighters so pick a flavor of nationalists you least like to blame.

      In 2008 the Ukraine government gave Hungary permission to erect a monument commemorating the passing of the Magyar tribes into the Carpathian Basin in 895. The monument was designed by Ukrainian sculptor Petro Matl although in this case I think sculptor was mistaken a real good stone stacker.

      http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Conquest_memorial_Verecke_5.jpg

      • szebbjovot

        “Polish and Hungarian Occupying NAZI forces”

        ” 600 Ukrainian Freedom fighters ”

        :D

        • Aloof

          Go ahead and tell me what is the difference between the Hungarian 1956 or 1968 Czech “Freedom Fighters” besides that “Ukrainian Freedom Fighters (UPA)” have been doing it a LOT longer because Poland, Czech, Hungarian, Russia, Nazis and Commies have all took their turns at occupying the Ukraine and ruling Ukrainians over their history especially the western Ukraine. If there is anyone more Ukrainian than these people then I’d like to know who they are. See if your shallow and incredibly narrow mind can absorb this:
          http://www.scribd.com/doc/52880370/UPA-Ukrainian-Insurgent-Army-History-of-Ukraine%E2%80%99s-Unvanquished-Freedom-Fighters

          • szebbjovot

            Kárpátalja is not Ukraine and never has been bud, so no “Ukrainian freedom fighters” there bud only civilian murdering terrorists.

      • justasking

        ‘Polish and Hungarian Occupying NAZI forces killed 600 Ukrainian Freedom fighters’

        That’s awful!

        I can only imagine, how many freedom fighters were killed by Stalinist forces, which included of course the US, Britain and the former Soviet Union.

        • Aloof

          There you go again completely off topic, finger pointing and just can’t admit that happened in ’39 which directly was the reason for the vandalism.
          Like everybody doesn’t know that Stalin and Hitler both were evil maniacal maniacs. Hell, Hitler screwed Stalin over in Poland. So what’s your point as usual. In the end, neither Hitler and Stalin were exactly good for Ukrainians or Hungarians now were they?

          • justasking

            ‘There you go again completely off topic, finger pointing and just can’t admit that happened in ’39 which directly was the reason for the vandalism’

            I was off topic…really? I was the one who brought up murdered freedom fighters, when the thread was about a vandalized monument? I’m the one who’s ASSUMING, that events that occurred during WWII, is what motivated the event we saw 2 days ago? Me?

            Do you have any evidence, to support your theory? An e-mail from the perps who were on the video, explaining why they did what they did?

            I’m curious…how EXACTLY, did you arrive at your conclusion, that the 2 events were related?

            Are you using the same ‘technique’, that you used, when informing me, that the US and Europe were capable of assembling and dispatching, up to 800 million men and women, to swoop down on the Russians in Crimea if it came to that?
            ————-
            ‘Like everybody doesn’t know that Stalin and Hitler both were evil maniacal maniacs’

            That didn’t seem to matter to the US, when they decided to save the Soviet Union during WWII, through their lend-lease agreement.
            ———–
            ‘Hell, Hitler screwed Stalin over in Poland’

            Yeah, can’t trust those bloody Germans now can you!
            ———-
            ‘So what’s your point as usual?’

            Gee, other than calling you out, yet again, on being a big ass lying hypocrite? Nothing.
            ———–
            ‘In the end, neither Hitler and Stalin were exactly good for Ukrainians or Hungarians now were they?’

            I bet now, the US sure wish they didn’t help save the Soviets during WWII, huh?

          • Aloof

            Staying on the topic (I almost fell asleep reading your latest rant) read this… although you may fall asleep.

            Go ahead and tell me what is the difference between the Hungarian 1956 or 1968 Czech “Freedom Fighters” besides that “Ukrainian Freedom Fighters (UPA)” have been doing it a LOT longer because Poland, Czech, Hungarian, Russia, Nazis and Commies have all took their turns at occupying the Ukraine and ruling Ukrainians over their history especially the western Ukraine. If there is anyone more Ukrainian than these people then I’d like to know who they are.

            http://www.scribd.com/doc/52880370/UPA-Ukrainian-Insurgent-Army-History-of-Ukraine%E2%80%99s-Unvanquished-Freedom-Fighters

          • justasking

            ‘Staying on the topic’

            Which one? The one that this thread is about…or the ones you keep introducing?

            Following your direction, I have concluded that you are either 1) drunk 2) in the throws of a senile dementia episode 3) Bat shit crazy 4) one hell of a spin Dr, trying to back peddle…or 5) all of the above.

            Which is it?

            ————
            ‘Go ahead and tell me what is the difference between the Hungarian 1956 or 1968 Czech “Freedom Fighters”

            Other than, if it weren’t for the US rescuing the Soviet Union during WWII from total collapse, none of the aforementioned countries would have NEEDED freedom fighters in the first place…nothing.

      • DoubleH63

        “Polish and Hungarian Occupying NAZI forces killed 600 Ukrainian Freedom fighters”

        Phew, at least it wasn’t 6 million.

        • justasking

          Now, now Double…

          • DoubleH63

            Can’t I have some fun?

            [I read on one of the threads here about the ‘smoking gun’.
            Right away I thought of the ‘smoking gun’ about the 6 million to shut up the ‘evil people’ once and for all. They (the ‘angel people’) recently thought they found it – the Alfred Rosenberg diary.
            Then the ‘angel people’ admitted that it is not a smoking gun or a silver bullet. (I guess the ‘evil people’ are also
            werewolves.)
            Now, my question is: Why is there a need for a ‘smoking gun’ to prove the “most documented event in history”?]

          • Aloof

            Well sure you can Tex you old armadillo stuffer. You’re certainly ignorant and narrow enough to have little choice.

          • MagyarViking

            Only your ilk is looking for the smoking gun…History does not have one

          • DoubleH63

            Check the Washington post

        • MagyarViking

          Why do you not move to Ukraine?
          According to this pro-Russian ad you would feel very much at home there…

    • danielvonpalota

      You might be right, but these events happened before, way to often, since 1900’s. Anti-Hungarianism is a real thing in Ukraine, Romania, Slovakia and Serbia. A slow Hungarian genocide is going on right now, since 1800. Look at the map of ethnicity of the 1800’s Hungary, 1920’s Hungary and 2000’s Hungary. We are getting massacred one by one. Not by weapons, but by anti-Hungarian laws and control. And yes, us Hungarians are responsible too. After this we can clearly say that both of the vandals must have been Ukrainians. The current situation in Ukraine is giving big advantage to the Ukrainians against minorities, not only Hungarians, but Romanians, Poles, Russians and Tatars too. And the EU and Europe just won’t allow the help our own people, who are unfairly living under barbarian oppression, either in Ukraine, or Serbia.

      • Hungarian

        Exactly.

      • wolfi

        Maybe you should have treated all these people (in what is now Ukraine, Romania, Slovakia and Serbia) better when there existed “Greater Hungary” instead of doing Magyarisation …
        Then they wouldn’t have been so keen on getting their own states – maybe …

        • http://politicsinhungary.wordpress.com/ Leto مؤدّب

          How did your Nazi father treated all those people, unwelcome libnazi German alcoholic in my country ? With bullets or gas?

          • Aloof

            Did your Commie father make you wear dresses and swear allegiance to the state before he abused you? I would go much further with a little pussy rodent like you but I would absolutely get flagged.

          • http://politicsinhungary.wordpress.com/ Leto مؤدّب

            “I would absolutely get flagged.”

            But not by me, disgusting Yankee cockroach.

          • Aloof

            Whoops! Looks like you spoke too soon rodent.

          • http://politicsinhungary.wordpress.com/ Leto مؤدّب

            What do you mean, Yankee cockroach? The moderator has deleted my post asking your libnazi comrade wolfi how his Nazi father treated “all those people”. I haven’t flagged your post.

          • wolfi

            “How did your Nazi father treated all those people”
            The little rabid creature gets so excited that it forgets all it learned about grammar …
            Btw we no longer have Sippenhaft, where one is judged by the actions of other family members – well maybe in Hungary?
            How did your grandfather treat those Russians he fought against as an invader? Are you now compensating for this, little psychopath, crawling up Putin’s behind?

          • http://politicsinhungary.wordpress.com/ Leto مؤدّب

            I’m really sorry indeed. Correctly:

            “How did your Nazi father treat all those people?”

          • Havelaar

            “How did your Nazi father treat all those people?”

            Flagged again..

        • JoeW

          Do you have any evidence for this or your are just spewing bulls**t in order to justify the maltreatment of the Hungarian minorities? Even if you were right (which I do not think is the case since there are many evidences that the minorities under Hungarian rule lived better than the Hungarian minorities live now) do you think two wrongs may do right? You are an ignoramus at best and a dangerous nationalistic idiot at worst.

          • wolfi

            Just google “Magyarisation” – that should do even for an ignoramus …
            Btw even the German speaking people in Transylvania aka Siebenbürgen wanted to join Romania after WW1 and leave Hungary …

      • MagyarViking

        “After this we can clearly say that both of the vandals must have been Ukrainians”
        Not sure, then if we apply the normal principle in “Hungarian debate”:
        * Who benefit from this action?
        it is rather clear it is both Putin and Hungarian radicals demanding autonomy…
        Given that, we could even mix in the possibility of Hungarian radicals doing this. Remember “Jobbik” is very pro-Putin and has very good connections to Russian radical nationalists and Neo-Nazis

        Anyway, we will not know until the Ukraine Police find and prove who it was that did this

  • szebbjovot

    As Leto previously suggested, guard the monument with snipers. Can get some practise for the Horthy statue which will come later..

    • ViktorZoroban

      The suspects of the red paint vandalism.

    • ViktorZoroban

      My hunch is that this was done by Ukrainian vandals.

    • ViktorZoroban

      Here I think it’s pretty clear: we need to look for people who like to make fires disguised as gangsters or even terrorists.

    • ViktorZoroban

      Heroes in the front, hooligans in the back.
      Hungarians are freedom fighters, what’s ours is ours and nobody can scare us away!!

  • sajtburger

    Typical Ukrainian behavior. I was beginning to think that just maybe I had been wrong about them, and then they go and do something like this, lashing out at everyone like they always do. It’s not as if the very small Hungarian minority poses any sort of threat to them. They will find themselves friendless as usual by the time Putin comes to take his vengeance.

  • szebbjovot
    • ViktorZoroban

      I hate to say so, but wow!! it looks cool – like modern art. If they find these guys, maybe we should ask them to make something for Budapest’s brand new Museum Quarter.

    • MagyarViking

      So, this is from camera 3
      Before we have a film from camera 1, so there were at least 2 cameras working
      As shown by the film on camera 1 they were pouring something from the top and started the fire from below
      As can be seen from this picture the fire did not destroy the actual stone part and seem not even have worked on the the top
      The top part looks like the fluid what they poured out from the top is still there, looks more like light tar, which would explain why they had so much problems igniting the fire

      Anyone claiming responsibility?

  • Guest
    • http://politicsinhungary.wordpress.com/ Leto مؤدّب

      Hm, it would have been lovely if these Ukrainians had caught fire or fallen off the monument.

      • Aloof

        Why is that you little coward commie university student slithering snake that runs like the pussy you are from any kind of confrontation. If Hungary came under direct attack from somebody you would run and hide like the pussy you’ve always been.

    • MagyarViking

      Thanks for the video
      It shows that they are using something else but gasoline, then gasoline would have burnt much faster

      Do we have anyone claiming responsibility for this action?

    • Justanobservation

      How is it we have a guest comment? I thought this was not permitted because of the trolls?

  • MagyarViking

    Well, before Hungarians start to think to go to Putin for help to get autonomy for that most Western part of Ukraine, that goes under many names, they should maybe look at this article from December 1st, 2008 from ‘leto’s’ main source of information – ‘Russia Today’
    http://rt.com/news/prime-time/ethnic-group-seeks-autonomy-in-ukraine/

    “It is deceptively quiet in Zakarpatye, the most western region of Ukraine. The government is waiting to see if the Rusyns, an ethnic group which originates from the area, will declare independence from Ukraine”
    “Rusyns are a Slavic ethnic group with their own language, encompassing the indigenous population of the region around the Ukrainian, Polish, Slovak and Hungarian borders”

    “the separatist feeling within Zakarpatye has been the cause of many problems for some Ukrainian politicians. The Ukrainian Svoboda Party has filed several complaints against the Rusyns.

    “Today the separatists from Zakarpatye, led by a priest from the Moscow patriarchy, put forward an ultimatum to the Ukrainian government. Tomorrow they could arm themselves with Russian passports and money from the Kremlin and re-enact the ”Georgian scenario“ in Ukraine,” the party’s statement read”

    So it seems like more people are ready to claim that land and remember the Rysun are led by “a priest from the Moscow patriarchy”, which beats any Catholic peadophile the local Hungarians can come up with…

    So how did the local Hungarian community work together with this Rysun Minority to together agree on autonomy for this part of Ukraine?

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