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June 12th, 2014

Pre-1989 communist documents to be transferred to National Archives

The Institute of Political History (PTI) will have to transfer its archives stemming from the period 1944-1989 to the National Archives as the Kuria, Hungary’s supreme court, rejected the institute’s appeal on Wednesday, national dailies Nepszabadsag and Nepszava said on Thursday.

The archives concerned contain the documents of the Hungarian Socialist Workers’ Party and its predecessors, other left-wing political and social organisations as well as trade unions.

PTI Chief Director Gyorgy Foldes told the papers that the state had expropriated the documents without compensation. He said the institute would be prepared to hand them over but the Hungarian state should reimburse the hundreds of million forints it cost to store the documents and make them accessible to researchers.

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  • wolfi

    “make them accessible to researchers” …
    Only over my dead body! said Orbán and the other ex-commies in Fidesz!

    Probably something will happen which will destroy all the incriminating evidence – then the Fidesz henchmen will sleep better …

    • anonB526

      1944-1989 includes the period of the hardcore Communist era. It has nothing to do with ” documents of left-wing political organisations”. It has everything to do with Communist tortures, mass murder, executions, show trials without evidence. Details and documents about AVO and AVH.

      They may contain incriminating evidence on 1950s era communist torturers, murderers.

      People like Miklos Bauer the famed Communist torturer/murderer who enjoyed tearing nails off his victims. He once boasted that he was a much more effective torturer than his peers: his victims would only ever not talk if they died. He was the father of Tamas Bauer the well known SZDSZ and now DK (Gyurcsanyist) politician.

      By hiding the evidence the Communists managed to save their own skins. The murderers such as Miklos Bauer were never convicted, were never hanged for their crimes, never even imprisoned! This monster named Miklos Bauer died of old age while he was laughing in the face of the families of his victims.

      • wolfi

        What about the communist father of Viktor Orbán – is he still alive? Has he been tried?

        There are so many of these ex-commies in Fidesz …

        • anonB526

          I could never really make a sense of where you stand wolfi. Do you support the torturing of people, the murders that Miklós Bauer and other Communists committed?

          If yes, just say it out loud already. If not you should be happy that these Communist era documents after 25 years will be moved away from the “Institute of Political History (PTI)”.

          Because apparently having these documents there, played a part in helping the torturers, the murderers to escape trial.

          Otherwise how could you explain that Miklos Bauer died in 2008 not in a jail cell but as a free man?

          • wolfi

            How do you explain that Fidesz ist still hiding these documents – like they did when they were in government 16 years ago? They are the ones who won’t open the archives …

          • anonB526

            Why are you not answering the question about Miklos Bauer and other torturers and murders? Do you support them or not? Were you supporting that they should stand trial for their crimes or not?

          • wolfi

            I support that EVERBODY should stand trial – and that includes the commies in Fidesz and Orbán’s father!
            Why didn’t Fidesz put Bauer to trial when they were in power from 1998 to 2002?

          • pantanifan

            I think any reasonable person would unambiguously condemn all murders and torture committed in the name of “socialism” or any other political dogma, or of any type. Foreigners living here are unlikely to know the names/crimes of these people to the same extent as Hungarians.

            What Wolfi is talking about here however (at least I think so), is that many of the other formerly Soviet-controlled nations have released all files from that era, allowing people to inspect the files and find out who was spying on them personally. The fact that Fidesz (as well as MSZP/SZDSZ previously) failed to release these files (despite the super-majority) means the suspicion arises that there are some people high up in the current Fidesz structure who might have something to hide (as well as politicians in MSZP/SZDSZ). Statistically it would be unlikely that no current Fidesz politicians took part in spying activities under the old regime…?

          • anonB526

            “many of the other formerly Soviet-controlled nations have released all files from that era, allowing people to inspect the files and find out who was spying on them personally. The fact that Fidesz (as well as MSZP/SZDSZ previously) failed to release these files”

            That may be so but this article is about a very special group of files, which were in the past 25 years stored in the private foundation the “The Institute of Political History (PTI)”.

            This means that previously the state, be it MSZP/SZDSZ or Fidesz governments had no access to these files they were stored at the buildinng of PTI.

            This was made possible because the Hungarian Communist party, which renamed itself to Workers party then changed names about 5 times always accumulated new files, no matter the name change. But after a point these files became a burden and so they created a new situation for themselves and “gifted” all their files to this PTI foundation. So the files were kept privately and they were kept in this way for 25 years, accessible only to those who the party giftees wanted to give access to.

            The present argument was that because the Communist Party (under different-ever changing names) ran a one party state in this time period, these files do not belong to a private foundation they are part of the National Archives.

            The PTI sued and sued and sued on the basis that the Communist Party files were gifted to them and thus it is their property but now they lost in court.

            If you are FOR the openness of the archives and publication of Communist era files (as am I), you should applaud this Court decision because it is a step in the right direction. If a future government will want to digitalize or otherwise provide public access to these files they will able to do so as it will be now recognized as the property of the state as confirmed by multiple levels of Courts.

            So in this case there should be no disagreement between us, as I understand the situation.

          • pantanifan

            If this statement is correct:

            “If you are FOR the openness of the archives and publication of Communist era files (as am I), you should applaud this Court decision because it is a step in the right direction. If a future government will want to digitalize or otherwise provide public access to these files they will
            able to do so as it will be now recognized as the property of the state as confirmed by multiple levels of Courts.”

            then I do agree with you, because I am also in favour of opening the archives and publishing the Communist-era files as soon as possible…

          • wolfi

            So what about answering my question:

            “I support that EVERBODY should stand trial – and that includes the commies in Fidesz and Orbán’s father!
            Why didn’t Fidesz put Bauer to trial when they were in power from 1998 to 2002?”

            PS:

            I’ve written about this before – in Germany it exactly happened the way panatanifan describes. A good friend of mine came to West Germany just months before the border opening in late 1989 (and lost a lot of money by doing that, but he just couldn’t stand the repression in East Germany any more).

            Later he had the chance to look at his file (and copy it!) and he was astonished and shocked how many of his friends” had reported to the Stasi about his “activities” which consisted essentially of speaking his mind – he was not a political activist!

            So he copied parts of these reports and sent them to the authors – without any comment …

            He didn’t get any answers!

            We often have fun in our favourite bar when he tells of those crazy “communists” and their stupid ways – similar stories I hear from my wife re the Hungarian communists. She worked in an office – but since she declined to a become a party member didn’t have a career.

            So all in all I find it especially funny if the Jobbik loonies here call me a “Stasi Jew” – it shows their idiocy.

            Well, maybe we got rid of (some of) them …

        • DoubleH63

          He is not only alive but his company [gee, how did he end up with that?] performing better every passing years. Even the global crisis couldn’t slow down this genius. His only true opposition could be the billionaire plumber.

          • wolfi

            RTL is fightng back – yesterday they had a long report about “the billionaire plumber” aka that mayor of Felcsút. My wife had some fun watching and hearing the comments …

  • Justanobservation

    I don’t doubt that “something” will either “happen” to these documents, or there will be a lot of red tape to gain access to them. Fidesz wants the communist documents sealed until they can be sure nothing can be found against any of their members. Many of the politicians of today have skeletons in not only their closets but that of their families. I personally want access to them, there are things I need to know and this government is preventing so many of us from knowing the truth.

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