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September 5th, 2014

Kövér defends Russia, calls Ukraine crisis “circus”

Speaker László Kövér on Wednesday described the conflict in Ukraine as a manipulated process, in which Ukrainians have the smallest role.

The aim of this “circus” is to separate Russia from Europe, he said in answer to questions from participants in the international Freedom Express, which visited Parliament.

While it is important that Hungary has joined NATO – as that protects Hungary against Russian imperial aspirations – and while he understands the fears of Poland and the Baltic States, Russia also has legitimate security needs, Kövér remarked.

“Who is the American or European politician who asked Ukrainians what they want?” he asked rhetorically, adding that Putin held a referendum when Russia occupied Crimea.

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  • MagyarViking

    adding that Putin held a referendum when Russia occupied Crimea.
    —-
    A referendum that the ONLY Hungarian Political Party approved of was Speaker László Kövér’s Neo/Nazi “Jobbik”
    Sadly the rest of Fidesz is not aware of Kövér’s membership there, also…

  • MagyarViking

    “Who is the American or European politician who asked Ukrainians what they want?” he asked rhetorically, adding that Putin held a referendum when Russia occupied Crimea

    Of course this increadably stupid statement, which actually should be ground for the Hungarian Parliament to dismiss this clown, totally ignores the fact that the Ukrainians held a democratic Presidential election end of May, showing very big support for the elected President Poroshenko, who could win outright
    Obviously democracy is only good for Fidesz when it gets themselves elected, even in other countries…

    • FUCeausescu

      Democratic? Are you kidding? What about the beatings of presidential candidates in Kiev?

      http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/165666/ukrainian-presidential-candidate-brutally-beaten-in-kiev.html

      How about the neo-nazi militia groups intimidating ethnic minorities? Not to mention other factors such as the fact that public opinion in Ukraine was greatly influenced by the fact that there was already a civil war.

      Democratic would have been to allow the democratic process to work in Ukraine, instead of the orchestrated coup, spearheaded by violent neo-nazi thugs, which unleashed all this mess.

      By the way, you were ridiculing Orban and calling him Putin’s this and that for stating that a negotiated settlement is the answer. Now, here we are, a ceasefire was signed, with a commitment to NEGOTIATE. As for further EU sanctions, I think everyone hopes this shit stirred up by your American gods will finally be over. I know you were disappointed. You were hoping for the EU to re-enter recession this year and stay there for a few more years, in order to make it a whole decade of economic stagnation, which started in 2008. And you call others anti-EU.

      • vikra

        what about this and what about that…whataboutism originated in serbia, and now it is a part of russian political “thought”.

        keep it to the theme and if you have some proof about “intimidation of minorities in Ukraine” I will be pleased to see it.

        • FUCeausescu
          • Varga

            This is NOT again your example of “intimidation of minorities” is it? Activists barging into a meeting and causing a fight is not the same as the minority as a whole being constantly intimidated. I guess we should just simply ignore the statement at the end of this article that is simply the ONLY incident you can refer to, pretty pathetic troll!

          • Hungarian

            FUC is a propagandist. Like all propagandists he takes a sliver of truth and exaggerates and distorts it.

      • Hungarian

        What unleashed this mess was 1) A deeply corrupt and undemocratic regime in Ukraine that stole its people’s money. 2) Russia’s taking advantage of the Ukrainian instability to invade a sovereign country.

        The Neonazi’s where a small part of the Ukraine uprising – the uprising had broad popular support. The current government of Ukraine has fewer neonazis in in it then Hungary does.

        And how could a pure democratic process work in Ukraine given the how corrupt the regime was – a popular uprising was the only way out. Now Ukraine can built a strong democracy with the help of its NATO allies.

        What BS to say the US stirred-up sanctions – Russia violated the sovereignty of an independent nation and brought these sanctions on themselves. The sanction where agreed on by the EU – this was not forced on the Eu by the US. Nobody did this with the goal of putting Europe into a recession. Your saying this is a desperate move of someone whose arguments are weak.

        Given your repeated defense of Russia I consider you an enemy of Europe. History will see you as they do the supporters of the soviet regime during the ’56.

        • FUCeausescu

          False:
          The US was the first party that violated Ukraine’s sovereignty by backing a violent coup.

          The intercepted Nuland conversation now famous for the “Fuck the EU” statement pretty much confirms it. Among other things, the conversation revealed that the US was engaged in King making in Ukraine. As does the revelation that the US spent $5 billion on “democracy” initiatives.

          You know, there are many other governments around the world that are very unpopular, like in France for instance. Do you think that is enough reason for foreign entities to interfere in France’s internal affairs by supporting “democracy initiatives”?

          Ukraine’s government was arguably unpopular perhaps, but we have no real way of measuring that now do we? Perhaps leaving it to an election would have been more appropriate? Yanukovic did call for early elections did he not? He entered office through a free and fair election, he should have been allowed to leave that way as well. That is democracy. The maidan fiasco and what followed it will continue to taint Ukraine’s democracy for a long time.

          • vikra

            let’s start from the beginning. The government of Ukraine was corrupt and they (Janukovič) broke his promise of greater ties with EU. The people protested that and that protest lead to Janukovič’s escape to russia. after that, the russians started to occupy the buildings, killing people who oppose them which finally lead to russian insurgency and occupation of a part of a territory of sovereign country.
            Russia is trying to perform a violent coup.

          • Nicholas I

            Are you stupid or a hasbarat?

          • wolfi

            Take your Putinist propaganda and stupid lies somewhere else – everybody’s laughing at you here!

          • Nicholas I

            Deyn mamka’s talmud calls fur dik.

          • vikra

            No, I am not Jewish. Why? You are?

          • FUCeausescu

            Yes let us start from the beginning. The government was corrupt, and broke a promise (first elected government to ever do that?). If this justifies the western backed coup, then some EU countries such as France should be targets of this as well. Do you know what is Hollande’s approval rating? And did he not break some promises? And how about the latest corruption scandals? Hmmm!!!! Perhaps the US should send a few $billion to France as well to promote some “democracy” initiatives.

          • vikra

            there was no coup on Maidan. Maidan was a protest against the corrupt and lying Janukovič. russian neonazis attempted coup.

          • Hungarian

            You believe the Russian propaganda. I have no respect for you. NATO is united in its opposition to Russia. Democracy seems to be a dirty word to you. You’ve picked your side in this war.

          • Varga

            Maybe the Canadian government should know about how much you support Russia, and are against democracy and freedom. I suspect you or your family landed there as refugees but still secretly support communism? You are not only a traitor to Hungarians but also Canada. Biting the hand that feeds you all while being arrogant after taking advantage of the kindness of the Canadian people. And please do not try to convince us that you or your family paid their own way and future in Canada because we know that is not true. Enjoy it while you have it, don’t think for a second that the Canadian government doesn’t investigate people who give off red flags.

          • Hungarian

            I suspect this was not meant to be directed at me.

          • Varga

            No, last I checked you do not support anti democratic values, I mistakenly clicked on reply under your response instead of FU. Sorry.

        • Nicholas I

          Idiot: “What unleashed this mess was a deeply corrupt and undemocratic regime in Ukraine that stole its people’s money.”

          EVERY Ukrainian regime has been corrupt and undemocratic.

          • Hungarian

            So, you agree with me. The former regime was deeply corrupt.

          • Nicholas I

            No, Kike, I’m saying that’s irrelevant, since every Ukrainian government has been corrupt, and the Kikes in power now are the most corrupt ever, which is why Novorossiyans wish they could be free from Kiev and Kikes, as Crimeans now blessedly are.

          • Hungarian

            Kike? What are you a 12 year old boy? Everybody who disagrees with you is a Jew. So, who is insane?

            And how is that everything Russia turns to shit? Russia is a shithole today and did its best to turn much of central and eastern Europe into a basket case that they are still trying to recover from.

          • Nicholas I

            “Everybody who disagrees with you is a Jew.” ??? Are you “everybody”, Kike?

          • Hungarian

            You immediately assumed I was a Jew. You have a sickness. Did you check for the Jew under your bed?

          • Nicholas I

            “You immediately assumed I was a Jew.” – False. If it yaps kike and stinks of kike, then I will assume it is kike.

          • Hungarian

            You are a very sick person.

          • Nicholas I

            Typical kike tactic. The kike pathologizes Aryan normality.

          • Hungarian

            I have nothing against Aryans. Just sick ones like you.

          • Nicholas I

            The Kike is more interested in controlling what Whites say than in dealing with facts.

          • Hungarian

            Please take your medication.

      • Curious George

        “How about the neo-nazi militia groups intimidating ethnic minorities?”

        The neo-nazi groups were themselves even smaller than the minorities, and not representative of Ukrainians in general.

        • Hungarian

          Exactly – this is the same propaganda line that is being pushed by Russia’s intelligence services. FUC is a Russian tool.

          • FUCeausescu

            Not exactly!!!

            check my response to George. It includes an article from the Telegraph, not exactly a Russia suporter. I am nobody’s tool, but you are a big tool!!!

          • Hungarian

            You have consistently pushed the same story lines as the Russians have. Your mind is wrapped in Russian propaganda (I feel just a little bit sorry for you). Everyone reading your comments can see that.

        • FUCeausescu

          What the F are you talking about? All the current militias operating in Ukraine, such as the Azov Battalion are tied to neo-nazi movements. Some of them even adopted nazi flags to represent their units.

          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11025137/Ukraine-crisis-the-neo-Nazi-brigade-fighting-pro-Russian-separatists.html

          Apparently these militias are actually quite popular with the Ukrainian population.

          • Hungarian

            This why you are nothing more than a propagandist. You say “All the current militias operating in Ukraine, ……are tied to neo-nazi movements.”

            When in truth a small group of them is. And in terms of the Ukrainian armed forces, these groups are a small part of the Ukrainian fighting force.

            This what the article you link actually said “As Ukraine’s armed forces tighten the noose around pro-Russian separatists in the east of the country, the western-backed government in Kiev is throwing militia groups – some openly neo-Nazi – into the front of the battle.”

            some not all

            Then you state that they are popular with “the Ukrainian people” to try and taint the whole nation. You provide no evidence that they are popular.

            You are a scum!

          • FUCeausescu

            May be a small part of Ukraine’s fighting force relatively speaking (7,000 of them apparently), But you gave away a very important fact during your comment. “these groups are a small part of the Ukrainian fighting force”. Yes, they are part of Ukraine’s official fighting force, subordinated to Ukraine’s government command, and they openly fly nazi symbols that represent entire battalions.

            As I asked Curious George, how would you feel if Hungary’s government would say it is alright for Magyar Garda to help the regular police force in Hungary in law enforcement? Would it give you any comfort if someone were to say “they are only as small part of Hungary’s law enforcement apparatus”. Would the EU accept such an excuse? Or is it more likely that Hungary would be declared a fascist state?

          • Hungarian

            You make a false analogy. Hungary is in the EU and subject to EU laws and norms. Ukraine is an independent country fighting for its life against a much larger and better armed adversary. It is logical that they are given some wiggle room. If the Ukraine government was neonazi, I would not support them. Should the Ukraine prevail and work towards EU membership, then the same standards would apply to them.

            Ukraine is now in a quasi alliance with NATO and the EU – this is the best assurance that in the future the extreme far-right will not take hold.

            And where the hell are you heeding with this? Because there are a few neonazi militias, NATO and EU should just abandon Ukraine and leave them to Russian aggression? What is it you would like to see as a result of this unfortunate situation?

          • FUCeausescu

            “You make a false analogy. Hungary is in the EU and subject to EU laws and norms. Ukraine is an independent country fighting for its life against a much larger and better armed adversary.”

            I have to disagree. I think it is you and the rest of the peckerwoods here who are trying to tow the Western propaganda line by presenting the situation within a distorted context. This is not about Ukraine fighting off Russia. The Ukraine crisis is what they call a proxy war, with two powerful sides picking local favorites. Yes, Russia is sending help, but the West managed to capture the state aparatus through its sponsored coup and is also helping. I don’t think Ukraine is paying for the mercenaries for instance.

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576490/Are-Blackwater-active-Ukraine-Videos-spark-talk-U-S-mercenary-outfit-deployed-Donetsk.html

            They cannot even pay their gas bills.

          • Curious George

            “ALL THE CURRENT MILITIAS? ”
            Yeah right! LOL!

            Right wing extremists anywhere have to show their cojones when it comes to defending their nation. They have to walk the talk. All in, they are still a minority, and as the article says, some of them are not even Ukrainian. Quit painting all Ukrainians with your single color palette. Your argument is no different from someone painting all Hungarians as heel-clicking, jackboot wearing, Garda troopers.

          • FUCeausescu

            I did not paint all Ukrainians. But reality is that these militias that number in the thousands are connected to neo-nazi movements and they fly neo-nazi flags that they fight under. They are also subordinated to the Ukrainian government, therefore it implies that the Ukrainian government approves of militias fighting under nazi flags, against other people who the Ukrainian government claims the right of sovereignty over. It would be a little bit like Fidesz saying it is alright for Magyar Garda to help out with public safety issues (how would you feel about that?). It is you who is in fact trying to downplay this.

          • Hungarian

            In reality there are only a few and total number men is no more than a 1000. Stop lying. Stop pushing Russian propaganda.

            No one here said it was OK there are a few. So, stop your BS. But, there is a vast difference in saying some and a small percentage. In the former case Ukraine would not deserve support, in the later true case Ukraine should be asked to clean up its fighting units. Probably something in the middle of battle is very hard to do.

            Under the protection of NATO and the EU the Ukraine has a hanse to develop its weak democracy into a strong one. It can deal with these neonates when the fighting is over. Under Russian domination it is lost – and such groups would be the norm.

            You are no better than a Russian propagandist – I have no respect for you.

          • Curious George

            But you do try to paint all Ukrainians in your arguments. I do not doubt that there are neo nazi thugs who signed up to fight.

            Those units fighting rebels and armed invaders in areas where there is no government control would not be the same as the Garda policing civilian populations where there is the rule of law and a working administrative structure in place. I would prefer not to have such elements in any army. However, Ukraine is probably the least organized country I have lived in, and I can imagine the Ukrainian government and army will take what they can get against a Russian sponsored and probably manned rebel force.

          • FUCeausescu

            Yes, and Arkan’s units in the Former Yugoslavia also were sent to areas where the government lost control. We condemned that, why not this? After all, thousands of dead civilians, as well as almost a million displaced, presumably mainly ethnic Russians given that about 80% of them took refuge there.

            And if the Hungarian government felt that it lost control of law and order in your neighborhood, would you welcome the “pacification” efforts of Magyar Garda?

            As far as accepting individuals who belong to certain group in the army, it is one thing. I never suggested that those individuals should not be absorbed in the military based on their extremist political views. Neo-nazi organization initiated battalions that fight under their own commanders, received weapons from the government and are collaborating with regular units, but not part of regular units is a completely different matter. As I pointed out, we condemned Serbia for having such units, now we are singing a completely different tune.

          • Curious George

            We can condemn actions and punish them via ICC or a war crimes tribunal. Arkan’s thugs committed many atrocities, and they were indicted. It is difficult to punish someone for their views, even if they are despicable. I wouldn’t presume that 80% figure or trust your numbers. Many of the dead were also Ukrainian, including several mayors or local administrators who were killed by ‘rebels’.

            If the Hungarian government had lost administrative control, and there wasn’t a war going on, the more appropriating action would be for them to resign. I would entertain sending in the army, if there were extenuating circumstances such as a national disaster.

            As I said above, we condemn the actions of those extremists. Unfortunately in most western democracies, we have to live with their misguided views (or yours). If they subsequently commit atrocities after being armed, they should be held accountable. There is no different tune, unless you are a Russian tool.

      • MagyarViking

        Disregarding your evaluation of the Ukraine Presidential elections as just ridiculous, similar as claiming the Huingarian elections were not democratic just because “Jobbik” threathened some Jews and Roma, regarding your comment:
        “Now, here we are, a ceasefire was signed”

        a) Which ruSSia already reportedly breaking, next days will show how much

        b) the ceasefire was oppourtunistic good for Ukraine, then it needs to reorganize its forces and the military leadership to face this more open invasion by Putler, now when the Hybrid Warfare Tactic obviously failed, but given a), I do not expect it to hold for long and Ukraine will strike back when it is ready

        c) for oppourtunistic reason, EU may choose to delay any implementation of new sanctions, but they will be deployed inside a few weeks, due to a)

        d) “Peroples Republic of Donetsk”, the ruSSia created terror organisation, already 9 minutes BEFORE the ceasefire went into effect sent out an email to several international journalists that on coming Tuesday there will be a pressconference in MOSCOW about “Kiev-junta breaking the ceasefire” and about gas-negotiations between DNR and Kremlin…
        They are so funny and predictable, your ruSSian Gods…

        And on top of this, ruSSia started the attack on Estonia yesterday morning, by 9 o-clock local time attacking a Border Checkpoint between ruSSia and Estonia kidnapping an Estonian official and dragging him over the border to ruSSia and there arresting him as a spy
        Putler has upped the game…

        • Nicholas I

          You are awfully clever. You changed the spelling of “Russia” to “ruSSia”. That is the height of wit.

  • vikra

    Laszlo Kurva…on another site I’ve read a statement of russian terrorist in easter Ukraine that in their formations there are a lot of Hungarians.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbg3YNYfVLA

    are those “brave” Hungarians who fight under the red star of communism?

    • Hungarian

      EU citizens fighting on Russia’s side. They should be tried for treason.

      • Nicholas I

        Treason against what country? Are you insane?

        • Hungarian

          Are you a pro-Russian tool? Are you a supporter of Russian aggression?

          • Nicholas I

            Treason against what country? Are you insane?

          • Hungarian

            Are you a parrot who keeps repeating the same Russian propaganda? I think yes.

          • Nicholas I

            They are supposed to be traitors against which country? You called them traitors, Kike. Traitors against what country?

          • Hungarian

            I have no interest in having a debate with a racist. Take you white-power anti-Semitic crap somewhere else. This white male European christian is sick and tired of a-holes like you making us look bad.

          • Hungarian

            Fuck off Jew!
            You take your non racists views to Israel asshole.
            This is Hungary. Not Israel!

        • Varga

          Treason against the EU country in which they came from. Are you too stupid to figure that out? Or you just being the stupid troll who is trying to get someone to say the EU is a country, you are too transparent. Take your Russian bootlicking bullshit and fuck off!

          • wolfi

            Please ignore Nicholas!
            Just look at the creature’s profile and what it wrote on other sites – a total loonie!

      • Nicholas I

        “EU citizens fighting on Russia’s side.” – False, they are fighting for anti-Kiev Junta Ukrainians.

        • Hungarian

          Right and that is why Crimea is now in Russian hands.

          • Nicholas I

            Yes and no. Crimea is not in Russian hands. Crimea is again part of Russia, as is good and right. Crimeans did indeed free themselves from the Kikes in Kiev, and then applied to become part of the Russian Federation. But Western allies played no part in the liberation of Crimea.

    • MagyarViking

      Thanks for sharing
      We need more resources to put the spotlight on these 5th columns

  • Hungarian

    What an embarrassment to Hungary. Let’s not forget this the same guy who suggested that more of the work of the Hungarian government should be done by decrees. He, like OV, is fundamentally anti-democratic.

    After the hopes of the system change, these are very sad times for Hungary.

    • Rommel15

      “What an embarrassment to Hungary”

      You better watch out. A few more statements like this and John McCain will be back in Budapest poisoning people’s minds again.

      • Hungarian

        Look another whitepower neonazi on this site.

        • wolfi

          Yeah, they’re almost funny – see what the creature wrote somewhere:

          “Muslims aren’t determined to eradicate our race. The U.S. government and Jews are.”

          • Rommel15

            “see what the creature wrote somewhere”

            Hey, thanks for the kind words!

            Honestly, there’s no hiding that most of the commentators on this side are left wing. I’m just here to learn. I want to know what the Hungarian Left thinks about things.

          • Varga

            Why? So you can spew your anti Jewish bullshit here? Could it be possible that you chose this site, not because you give two hoots about Hungary, but because you are not welcome elsewhere with this crap?

  • Donian

    What a clown, but it is a bigger pity that a clown is in such a position of power.

  • Ingrid

    László Kövér , the old communist is going back to where he started.

  • Nicholas I

    The Kiev junata is jew run and jew-backed ia ZOG in DC

    • MagyarViking

      …and I thought they were Nazis….

      • Nicholas I

        “Nazi” is just a label. Jew is a fact: Jew Poroshenko, Kew Yatsenyuk, Jew Nuland, Jew Kerry, etc

        • Hungarian

          Jew, Kerry? You are complete idiot.

          • Nicholas I

            His name is Kohn. Family of kikes from Bohemia. They changed their name to “Kerry” when they got to Boston, to try to pass as Irish, White.They are kike through and through. Also, he’s a gold-digger, who married a rich widow. That’s very kike.

          • Hungarian

            You are just typical uneducated hick who thinks that the world is run by Jews. So much so you even put the Ukrainian conflict into that context.

          • Nicholas I

            Kerry/Kohn: Kike. Nuland/Nudelman: Kike. Soros/Schwarz: Kike. Poroshenko/Valtzman: Kike. Yatsenyuk: Kike. Kolomoyskyi: Kike. Taruta: Kike.

          • Hungarian

            Ivan, you really are insane and swift action and solidarity of the EU and NATO this week shows you are also a loser.

          • Hungarian

            Your stupidity and ignorance is boundless.

  • wolfi

    Maybe Nicholas1 and FUC*** should get together to sort things out …

    They’re so funny, it hurts …

  • Hungarian

    Crap Jewish site!

    • Hungarian

      Booo! There’s a Jew under your bed.

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