November 6th, 2014

Orbán: Hungary under US pressure due to South Stream, Paks

The United States is putting Hungary under great pressure due to its objections to the Russian-backed South Stream pipeline and the expansion of the Paks nuclear power station, Prime Minister Viktor Orban said in Munich on Thursday evening, after an address delivered at the Hanns Seidel Foundation.

At a question and answer session, Orban said the pipeline and expansion project were primarily economic issues, but they had become entangled in “geopolitical, military-policy and security-policy issues” due to the Ukraine-Russia conflict.

Washington interprets both issues as “getting closer to Russia”, whereas “we don’t want to get any closer to anyone; neither do we wish to distance ourselves from anyone.”

“We are not pursuing a Russia-friendly policy but a Hungary-friendly policy,” he added.

The prime minister said that construction of the South Stream gas pipeline and the Paks expansion were both in Hungary’s national interest.

The construction of South Stream, which is a “twin” of Nord Stream that supplies Russian gas to Germany, bypassing Ukraine, serves Hungary’s interests, ensuring secure gas supplies by eliminating risks posed by the situation in Ukraine, Orban said. Even if this project does not diversify gas sources, it does diversify delivery routes, he added.

Concerning the upgrade of Hungary’s sole nuclear power plant at Paks, Orban said cheap energy was key in strengthening Hungary’s competitiveness. Unlike Germany, Hungary does not have vast funds to direct towards supporting renewable energy production, and the country’s own energy resources are scarce, he said.

The “only possible means” for Hungary to reduce its dependence on external energy resources is the expansion of the state-owned Paks nuclear plant, he said. Since the plant has been built using Russian technology it is “evident” that its expansion must be carried out in cooperation with the Russians, Orban said. Yet the US interprets this as Hungary’s “moving closer to Russia” at a time when its position is that Europe should instead “move away” from Russia rather than cooperate with it. This is why the US “is strongly opposed” to Paks, Orban said, noting the US “would have also been rather keen” on constructing its two new blocks.

In connection with the crisis in Ukraine, Orban called the West’s resolute actions “fully justified”, adding, however, that economic sanctions imposed on Russia “have afflicted Hungary as well”. He said unless a more reasonable policy is invented, central Europe and Germany, too, will suffer grave economic consequences in the years to come.

Orban called for a compensation scheme to cover countries that stay loyal to the policy of sanctions but suffer its consequences. This calls for a solution through diplomatic means, Orban said, urging “substantive talks” as soon as possible. This is in the interest of central Europe and Germany as well, he added.

But since neither central Europe nor Germany can be “disloyal” to their own alliances they “should make a positive influence” within the EU and NATO. But these two alliances “at the moment have no other alternative policy” than sanctions which have had serious consequences, Orban said.

The prime minister said it is in Hungary’s interest that there should be a democratic, self-sustaining Ukraine “positioned within the space” between Hungarians and Russians, because Hungary “has already been a neighbour of Russia” and would not want to be in a similar position again, he added.

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  • Albion

    What a fool. He is just to stupid and arrogant to realize that once he has taken the Russian bait, Putin will reel him in and having him dancing like a puppet to the Russian tune. The US and the EU are trying to save Orban from himself.

    • common sense 019

      Sure …. :))) Do you have any other good jokes?:)))

    • FrankThinker

      I would recommend that Orban not rely on intra-bank (Sber) transfers for his efforts. The Russoslavs are rather known for their ovepromise-underdeliver-extort cycle when it comes to corruption, espionage, and duping fools. Further, I believe the US will soon be pressuring the EU to shutter Sberbank everywhere. The best we can hope from this, as I am sure the court run by bankers will rule for bankers, is that the WTO and GATT die for good.

      Why? Because he West collectively could withdraw over the right to impose sanctions and protect itself and its philosophies from criminals, terrorists and religionists. Not to mention, the business class has pretty much, with free trade, manipulated conflicts into being all over the world. Crushing currencies, manipulating reserves and commodity prices…

      Free trade is nothing but a road to war for everyone. Because most of our business class is almost as psychopathic as the average Russian Ex-KGB mafioso, they do not need to collude. They just have top see how much blood can be let before the backlash hits too hard to still be profitable. International foreign relations policy is now simply chess for cash. Principles are window dressing.

      Hence Crimea was a huge boost for the businesses in the West, and by suckering Russia into Ukraine, the business class created a sanctions regime to manipulate currencies and commodities by. Why the pressure on Hungary, then? It’s simple, really.

      This time the Cold War restart is intended to isolate and destroy the remaining after-communist leaders. That’s something that was never achieved in Hungary, with its official opposition being allowed to pretend to change the country while actually simply overseeing its theft. The peaceful change was simply a removal of the safety net for people, and the emplacement of people like Orban.

      Russia had its own attempt at change. They were crushed. Orban is following his masters, and the West is merciful enough to not want to see Hungary chained financially to a Russian development deal after Orban is deposed. So, the pressure is on and he is indicating he will try to stick with the Russian path. Woe be unto Hungarians who trust Russoslavs!

    • FUCeausescu

      Who is the fool? Like Orban said, South Stream serves same purpose as Nord Stream. If Nord Stream is good for Germany, why South Stream cannot be good for the countries it will service? Name one advantage to remaining hostage to the Ukraine basketcase?

      As for the nuclear power plant, Finland signed a deal at the same time as Hungary. I do not see the US and the media applying the same kind of pressure, charging that Finland is moving away from the west and closer to Russia,

      As long as Hungary accepts double standards, it will continue to be treated with double standards, and expected not to pursue its own economic interests like Germany or Finland does, but to serve the interests of others, at its own detriment.

      The EU and the US are acting like bullies and hypocrites, wanting their way at any price.

      • FrankThinker

        Finland is not part of NATO and largely refuses to participate in many EU defense initiatives. This allows it more leeway in politics. Further, the company managing the Finnish project is in shared ownership. Finland has far less corruption and absolutely far less extortion by government agents against foreign investor companies. Finally, Finland has a parliamentary republic, not an oligarchical kleptocracy.

        You are no Germany, either. But… you know that already, whiny FUC. The bottom line is that you are a dependent nation and if you dislike that status, then you can leave the agreements behind any time you like. Until then, you will either toe the line or get you allowances cut off. The EU money gets taken away next.

        • Varga

          This ass clown is not even a part of “us” as you refer to him as a Hungarian. He is a Romanian and a Canadian. Spewing his bullshit excuses for Orban and Putin from the lovely Canadian democracy he so enjoys. In the meantime he wishes for the total political and economical destruction of Hungary. Paid or not, this troll is a total loser and actually thinks people take him seriously when he is so transparent. Just watch his posts, he thinks carefully about how to skew every post to make EVERYTHING the fault of previous socialist government, the USA and the west. He will lie, post wishy washy bullshit and twist EVERYTHING to suit his trolling.

          • FUCeausescu

            “He is a Romanian and a Canadian”

            So Transylvanian Hungarians are not Hungarians? I would like to invite you to an ethnic Hungarian town in Transylvania where you can express these ideas of yours to the locals there. Let us see what happens, you worthless piece of garbage. If you are Hungarian, your parents must be really disappointed with the trash they raised.

          • Hungarian

            Dont let yourself be bothered by these middle eastern worms!
            We are all Hungarians!

          • Varga

            Shove your face further up his ass, maybe one person will like you!

          • Hungarian

            He doesn’t have to like me, he is a Hungarian!
            On the other hand you are what you are slinging!
            Mud!

          • Varga

            Oh I sure do believe that Transylvanians are Hungarians, however, do you carry a Romanian passport or a Hungarian one? Or do you just have a Canadian one now? So spare me your stupid bullshit, and quit trying so fucking hard to set this up to be twisted you transparent piece of shit! We weren’t talking ethnicity you fucking stupid moron! I was talking about citizenship!

          • FUCeausescu

            Go fuck yourself, you slimy piece of shit. If you are Hungarian as you seem to try to claim, you are the kind that shames the nation.

          • Varga

            You didn’t answer my question weasel? The lack of response to my question is very telling, you are not a Hungarian citizen. Twist away!

          • Hungarian

            He is a hungarian, something you will never experience to be slimy north african circumcised kibbutz dweller.

            Actually I understand your pain!

          • Guest

            He is a Hungarian … which you are not, you subhuman libnazi piece of shit.

          • Hungarian

            fuck these Jews!

          • Varga

            Oh Leto, beg people to read your blog some more!

          • Varga

            Fuck off Leto! Gutless worm!

      • Havelaar

        Poor guy, and absolutely no one supports you ever over here, no one is ever voting you up.

        But you get still paid as a full time Fidesz troll, I guess. Such a waist of money.

        • FUCeausescu

          And who the fuck is paying you to troll around here? Perhaps the dutch government, because it wants to maintain demand for Holland’s gas exports?

          • Varga

            Twist and shout!

          • Hungarian

            Twist and fuck off human trash.
            I understand you are in pain not belonging to anywhere.
            But stop putting out your cigar on the body of Hungary!

          • Varga

            I don’t have to beg people to like me like you do.

          • FUCeausescu

            I don’t think even your mother likes you, if she is Hungarian. She probably asks herself how she could have raised such garbage.

          • Varga

            projecting now are we?

          • Havelaar

            Олег Бондаренко

            Voted you up. So telling.

          • FUCeausescu

            You are dutch and Holand exports gas. Production is entering decline, but it sure would be nice to sell the last of it at a good price, right?

            Now how telling is that of where you come from?

      • Albion

        The rouble is in free fall while Russian tanks are rolling into Ukraine, provoking yet another round of EU and US sanctions which will quite likely send the Russian economy into meltdown. And Putin’s response will be yet more military aggression. Can there be a more toxic business partner than Putins Russia. Answer to your question. Orban and you are the fools for swallowing Putins propaganda.

        • Hungarian

          I want to see that no fly zone over Russia for EU flights!
          Come on pussies, raise more sanctions!

        • FUCeausescu

          And how about Germany, why don’t they end their economic relations? If South Stream is so bad, than so is Nord Stream. They should also stop exporting to Russia. Heck all of EU should do that and lose a few million jobs, because the EU has been too prosperous lately.

  • common sense 019

    You are a good ‘ally’ of the US as long as you serve US national interests.

  • Night Warrior

    It is not about business with RuSSia as usual. It is all about great corruption schemes. Normal people do not do business with nazi invadors and countries sponsoring terrorism like RuSSia.
    Let’s hope that Hungarian people will kick out this thief with his Fidesz gang as soon as possible, because Hungary has taken some serious steps to become Putler’s bi*ch.

  • vikra

    what people around the world who support liliPutin’s policies must know is pure and simple fact: Russia did and always will serve its own interest. It is only interested in growing chasm between the NATO allies and in that way they will use anyone to serve their purpose.
    Do you know what happened in Servia recently? They even organized a military parade for liliPutin, but few days later Russia reduced the gas flow to its greatest ally. Self-proclaimed ally nevertheless…
    That is how Russians are doing…if interest of Hungary is to be liliPutin’s poodle and not strong and powerful eastern European NATO and US ally, so be it…enjoy your return to 1956…

    • Hungarian

      1956? Allies?
      Where the fuck were you assholes?
      Pussies…
      In Japan we call you “Kuchi dake gaijin”.
      It literally means mouth only foreigner…..

      • Albion

        you must get called that a lot.

        • Hungarian

          Where the fuck were you assholes in 56?
          You were trumpeting all over freeeurope radio that we will be coming if you rise up?
          So where the fuck were you cowards!

  • vikra

    when I’m feeling under pressure, I go on toilet. It seems miniPutin is afraid to fart.

  • John F.

    Obviously, the US hasn’t been able to bribe Orban, as is the case in most EU provinces who have become US protectorates. US has 208 bases in Europe. When you have foreign army at home, you’re no longer independent (ask Germany and Italy). Second obvious thing is that Orban cares for Hungary and its people which is a problem for the lunatics in DC. US wants complete control over Europe and its resources, thus Orban’s position is a problem for them.

    • Varga

      You are fucking crazy if you think Orban cares for Hungary, he is stealing the future of Hungarians right from under our noses. He is a crook, and it is starting to backfire on him. Thanks for wishing for the demise of our democracy asshole!

      • Hungarian

        Sometimes just shut the fuck up slimy Jew!
        You are committing a crime as we speak by defaming prime minister Orban!
        TEK ppl, pls take a note!

    • Hungarian

      Brilliantly put!

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