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December 17th, 2014

Is Viktor Orbán actually insane?

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One of the great running subtexts in Hungarian politics is the question of whether Viktor Orbán may actually be a bit – or more than a bit – mentally unwell, with (for example) ongoing rumors that the country’s most powerful post-communist political figure regularly travels to Vienna for counselling.

Leading leftist daily Népszabadság recently added to the speculation with a psychological analysis of Orbán that suggests Orbán is suffering from a range of clinical disorders.

Authored by one Iván Mester, who is apparently an authority on the matter, the analysis claims that Orbán exhibits symptoms of paranoia, aggression, an inferiority complex and a sociopathic disorder.

In rather florid prose Mester paints a picture of an autocratic personality obsessed with power.

“He gets intoxicated by the plain false pathos of his own speeches, as well as from the sight of the homogenized and subjected mass audience and his contempt towards them. At these moments his mouth runs dry from excitement: a rare scene, but this is the moment of Orbán’s infantile rapture of power and joy, the only sincere and carefree moment in his life. The rest is toil, a struggle in the grip of his own character.”

Needless to say, all this is far from a formal diagnosis provided by an expert with access to the individual being assessed, but it is worth noting that this awkward topic is something many Hungarians continue to debate. Likewise, it is useful to remember Nietzsche’s observation that “in individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”

Erik D'Amato (@erikdamato) is publisher and editor-in-chief of the All Hungary Media Group.
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  • justasking

    ‘Orbán exhibits symptoms of paranoia, aggression, an inferiority complex and a sociopathic disorder’

    Sounds like a prerequisite to become a politician, and all that they require to stay in power to me.

    • Fair point.

      • justasking

        Hey, at least the guy recognizes his personality ‘flaws’ and is getting counselling for it…most don’t.

        • Ingrid

          But it doesn’t seem to help.

          • justasking

            I’m sure you could attest, therapy takes time. Years in fact.

          • Ingrid

            Then he should maybe consider sick leave.

          • justasking

            Are you mocking Mental illness?

          • Havelaar

            You think someone who is mentally (your words) ill is able to rule Hungary?

          • justasking

            Yes I do. There are various stages and degrees of Mental Illness, does not mean that they are unable to function.

            Take you for an example…you function; barely, but you do. 😀

          • Havelaar

            Take you JA for an example…but you do not function at all.

            So sad.

          • olga

            Paul – I think you should give it up – I can guess why she won’t answer although I did not ask her.

            She won’t be bullied – save your energy

            BTW “Rather”a leading question

          • Varga

            She is rather a bully herself though.

          • olga

            How was JA a bully ans do you see something not quite fair?

            Take a look at your own posting response when someone introduced the USA “Listen troll, I don’t think we are talking about the US, ”

            Paul asks JA about Horthy numerous times and where exactly is your response: “Listen troll, I don’t think we are talking about Horthy”

          • Varga

            Often she immediately attacks people with insults long before the other even gets into it with her.

          • olga

            But she didn’t do that , Paul did .

            I don’t think michaeloflondon is a troll, I think your “diagnosis” was correct when you responded to :

            “I have written on Russian sites how to end the world with their current arsenal and take the US out at the same time.Thanks for a “Western education” and the abuse.”

            I can agree with you or disagree with you based on what you write on individual postings instead of thinking “Oh, Varga wrote that so “I must concur ” or the flip side “it must be wrong and it is my duty to insult him ” – I know that’s a strange concept so my apologies for bringing it up 🙂

          • Varga

            No, if you read from the beginning, she attacks him on his first question.

          • roderickbeck

            Varga, you are not going bring any enlightment to these two fools. Stop feeding them. They are bored, lonely housewives.

          • roderickbeck

            Michaeloflondon is obviously. Look at the comments. It is Russian propaganda verbatim.

          • Varga

            She could definitely say that to him. That is not what I am talking about though, Havelaar asks her a question about a mentally ill person being able to run the country, and she basically calls him mentally ill. He hadn’t done anything to her at that point, asked a question that is it. This “Michealoflondon” is a troll, turns every topic into one about the USA.

          • olga

            Please read the comments on this thread carefully from the start and follow the initial postings between JA and Paul and see who initiated the problem . If you can’t see it , I would be happy to show you a chronological order of how the exchange deteriorated and JA ought not be held responsible.

          • Varga

            I have read it multiple times Olga, this is where it starts; “You think someone who is mentally (your words) ill is able to rule Hungary? JA replies,……..”Yes I do. There are various stages and degrees of Mental Illness, does not mean that they are unable to function.

            Take you for an example…you function; barely, but you do. 😀 The very first question from Paul, so unless you have a different chronology than I do, she started off the bat.

          • olga

            Oh shit – do you really want me to go into a tedious cut and paste and show you are wrong? Here we go , although it would be a lot easier if the exchanger were time stamped as opposed to simply noting “2 days old”

            1. JA was making a broad statement about politicians in 2. so far so good until he introduces Horthy and “insanity”
            3. JA answers – all good
            4 . Paul ‘s first introduction to Horthy (why?) and what I referred to as going downhill from there.
            VERBATIM:
            1.JA: ” complex and as sociopathic disorder'”
            Sounds like a prerequisite to become a politician, and all that they require to stay in power to me.
            2. Paul: “Sounds like a prerequisite to become a
            politician, and all that they require to stay in power to me”. Of course not…there are
            many politicians within the EU who are full of integrity.
            3. JA: ‘there are many politicians within the EU who are full of integrity’
I honestly believe, that most politicians start out that way…unfortunately, reality sets in, along with the need to stay in power.

            4.Paul: But anyway….your comment has to be looked upon within the context that you support to have more Horthy/fascists statues in Hungary. Don’t you?
 Which is actually insane.

            YOUR VERSION:
            1 Paul: You think someone who is mentally (your words) ill is able to rule Hungary?
            2 JA: Yes I do. There are various stages and degrees of Mentai Illness, does not mean that they are unable to function.
Take you for an example…you function;
            barely, but you do. :D

            3 “So sad.
Not even able to answer a simple
            question…”Do you support Horthy/fascists statues in Hungary?” indicates the badgering about Horthy has
            already started , which of course he started as per my version

            Proves that Paul has already started harassing JA for refusing to answer an irrelevant question , therefore your version could not have been “the beginning ” despite every posting is marked as “2days old” as I write this

            This response took me 14 minutes to write – consider it your Christmas gift. You are welcome 🙂

          • Varga

            Well, I guess when I read it by time posted, that is not the chronology I get. Yours may not be sorted by oldest to newest perhaps? The Horthy stuff comes later.

          • olga

            How would you describe yourself?

          • Varga

            All I would say is that I am Hungarian and love my country, I wish for us to be truly free and whether you agree with everything I say, right or wrong, has no bearing on that. Other than that, I don’t need to “describe” myself.

          • olga

            so sorry – explanation below

          • roderickbeck

            It is not bullying. You and her are well known right wing extremists. You have defended Horthy in the past. You defend Orbán despite his rigging of the political system on the grounds that is better than Jobbik.

            Anyone can dig up your comments. It is public record.

          • olga

            re: “Anyone can dig up your comments. It is public record.”

            Finally we can agree on something. Could you please do that ?

            I just explained to Double that I was quite happy to be a Judeo- Bolshevik (not sure exactly what it is, but it sounds interesting) so I don’t see why I ought not be an right wing extremist – you guys flatter me but the truth is that you give me too much credit.

            Varga remembered when I managed to be a gypsy as well as a Jewish whore, so my CV is impressive, still aiming to be a Canadian one but I don’t know the exact criteria

            Anxiously awaiting your proof of my “public comments ” on Horthy because I know you are not the type of person who would ever make statements without a shred of evidence.

            Perhaps you could also find my comments about how I would solve the economic problems in Hungary as well as my excellent suggestions about the South Stream pipelines.

            Subjects like Horthy, the global economy , energy issues just happen to be my expertise so I always jump in and feel the need to share my wisdom with the world.

          • Varga

            I mostly enjoy your sarcasm, at least you try to be clear. It was never you that I recall defending Horthy, it was JA, but you always defend her, so I think that is what he is remembering.

          • Varga

            “Double” is not on this thread………..you must have a personal relationship with him…………..hhhmmmmmmm. That is one character I did not think you would make friends with enough to exchange emails. You really did have me fooled Olga, I didn’t think you were that desparate for friends that you would befriend that guy. You don’t need to explain either, it is none of my business and I probably shouldn’t have commented about it, but my opinion on “Double”, is a bad one and I personally could never give that dude the time of day due to the types of commentary he has held in the past on this site. I am surprised that you can be his friend.

          • DoubleH63

            But luckily “Double” is on this thread, if you wish I give you my e-mail, so we can exchange pleasantries.

            Very unfortunate that your opinion of me is bad… maybe if we exchange a few e-mails… What do you think? Strictly judging by your comments on this site, I rather not state any opinion of you – don’t want it to be public record.

          • Varga

            It is possible that your persona is not exactly as you portray it on this site, however, the stuff you have said on here to others is what I base my opinion on. You have seemed extremely hateful. I would never give you my email, only because you stalked a woman from this site before and harassed her. That to me is unforgivable regardless if you didn’t like her.

          • olga

            I am going to ask you what I asked JA about roderick’s posting about the “character reference” – are you serious or are you joking about my “personal relationship” with Double ?

            The thread I was referring to was about Romania and the Hungarian National anthem and I clearly recall you posted on that topic as well.

            Maybe you could help roderick out with his so far unsuccessful search on my Horthy comments and he could help you with my postings that clearly show what an amazing friendship ” Double and I struck up on this website.

            How can you guys possibly expect me to believe anything you write about Hungary, Hungarians and the political landscape when you guys make up the most bizarre stories about someone like me whose opinion is of no importance? Do you not realize what it does to your credibility?

            If you ( and the group) wrote it was raining in Bp, I would check the Weather Network for confirmation

          • Varga

            I was joking about you and Double, sorry if I didn’t make it clear. I think he is a bit unstable. I think you need to learn to separate posters from each other, when referring to one, you need to not claim it is the “group”. It is not a group, but rather individuals with individual observations. So when you say “you guys make up the most bizarre stories”, you are claiming I have made up stories, which I have not! So I would like to know what stories I have made up about you. Lastly, I do not need to “help” another poster research anything, it was his statement, I said what I said about it, he can look it up for himself. I think he may just be (just like you and many others) lumping peoples posts together and seeing you and JA as having the same opinions.

          • olga

            If you were joking or being sarcastic you sure fooled me and no doubt you fooled most people reading those comments. Was I supposed to laugh at labels like ultra right wing, fascist, etc as well? I was never offended because I considered the source but the humour sure escaped me. I wonder if the one from Japan thinks his postings are hilarious as well

            I do not share you opinion that Double is “unstable” any more than I consider Vona unstable. I could be swayeed that Christina Morvai was unstable – wow!

            Re: “”you guys make up the most bizarre stories”, you are claiming I have made up stories, which I have not”

            In you case the “bizarre” applied to my alleged warm and fuzzy relationship with Double and for the “group” I was referring to the rather ” unique definitions” of certain words as outlined in paragraph 1.

            If I wanted to get my point across that Orban was an ultra-right wing fascist Dictator, I would not be using the same description for the Canadian posters on this site unless I wanted to be laughed at. Moreover I would stop using the word “whining”, if I belong to a group of posters who did nothing but whine 24/7 about the current state in Hungary. But that’s just me of course and you did ask 🙂

            If there is ever a topic that could be considered even slightly favourable to the government, deafening silence follows (how about today’s topic: “Female unemployment cut most in Hungary in EU comparison”)

            Bottom line : FIDESZ may be a terrible party for Hungary but I ain’t listening and neither are the voters who count (I don’t) so you gotta change tactics if you want a change.

            .

          • Varga

            I suppose my sarcasm isn’t as funny as yours.

          • roderickbeck

            You babble so much. I have read your comments attempting to defend Horthy as well Orbán. My memory is fine. Your’s apparently highly selective.

          • roderickbeck

            You write a lot and say very little. Horth’s record is pretty clear. A virulent anti-semitic who signed into law discrimination against Hungary’s Jews and was a Nazi collaborator.

          • DoubleH63

            Pinko, your comrade (Paul the Dutch druggie) brought up the exact same law once on this site to prove [for him it’s always “to proof” (sic)] the exact same thing you are trying to prove. At that time I kicked his ass all over this site by showing how wrong he was. I guess you missed that (maybe you were hiding from HUAC?). Look it up -after all it’s public record in this Internet age. Tell you what… look up this law first, being also a public record. That way maybe you don’t make an ass out of yourself by citing it. [If you have trouble reading Hungarian, ask a friend.]

          • roderickbeck

            I don’t have to prove facts. Horthy was an anti-semite in his own words and the laws in question severely limited the number of Jews that could enter the university and professions. It is up to you to provide a reason why the conventional interpretation is wrong.

            PS: Get a life, loser. And please stop the 16 year old tough talk. It doesn’t impress me.

          • DoubleH63

            Like I said look up the law idiot expat. Are you smarter than… John McCain?

            Tough talk? Still got that comprehension problem Olga is
            talking about?

          • roderickbeck

            Go away Leto.

          • roderickbeck

            No, you look up the law. Jews made up 20% of students at Hungarian universites before and 5% thereafter. It

            You are a well known antisemite and a not particularly bright bulb. You are plain dumb.

            https://hungarianspectrum.wordpress.com/2013/03/03/a-hungarian-high-school-textbook-on-the-numerus-clausus-of-1920/

          • DoubleH63

            A well-known anti-szemét? [I am sure you understand that
            word being an expert on everything Hungarian.] I hope so. Don’t need anymore szemét in Hungary:)

            Red is Éva is your friend? No surprise here.

          • Be flattered that this absolutely miserable Jewish asshole took you for me. :p

          • DoubleH63

            Is he a Jew? You don’t say…

          • olga

            You seem to have serious comprehension problems – did you ever lose marks in school for submitting an essay on the Napoleonic War when the assignment was the War of the Roses? (This was a hypothetical example and I am not claiming you had that actual assignment)

            There was no requirement for you to critique how much I write weigh my opinions’ worth nor any obligation on your part to share your opinion on Horthy.

            If you recall, the requirement was to back up your claim and stand behind your own words by providing what I wrote about Horthy , which like you said, were public knowledge.

          • roderickbeck

            I don’t need a requirement to critique you. I just find you remarkably intellectually deficient. You and Justasking are just bored, catty housewives who can’t let go of the mythology of Hungarian victimhood.

            Spending your day writing long messages to everyone on this board is a sign of your essential uselessness.

          • olga

            Would that be a “No, I made a false claim and I am pissed off with myself” ? No worries, I would be embarrassed if I were you as well but I would have the backbone to apologize.

          • roderickbeck

            Classic Olga. 100% personal. Zero substance.

          • roderickbeck

            No, it would be “Your stupid, Olga, so go away”.

            No reason to apologize to a puffcake.

          • DoubleH63

            Olga, when have I called you a Judeo-Bolshevik? If you label yourself as such – despite not exactly knowing what it is – … that’s nice, dear.

            Don’t worry much about this roderickbeck. He is just a pinko expat. Lucky for him HUAC is not chasing the likes of him anymore. He is calling you a right wing extremist…on this particular thread, to boot? Is he the one – actually insane?

          • olga

            You NEVER labeled me one – however you must know that I am 100% sympathetic to victims of the Hoiocaust whether they are Jewish, Roma, Gay, or disabled so I figured I must meet your definition of being a Judeo-Bolsevik

            You must also know what I think of Holocaust deniers ( Rumour has it that Ernst Zundel is working on a book that WWII was also a Jewish invention because it never happened)

            I am also very sympathetic to those German soldiers who died in the imaginary war who could never be described as “Nazis” or even “Nazi sympathizers” but who had no choice but to fight for Germany and die for an evil cause while their memories will be forever tarnished.

            Ditto for those young Russian solders in 1956 who according to my Dad were sharing cigarettes with the Hungarian freedom fighters (before things got ugly) and refused to believe they were in Hungary (“Hungarians are our friends” – not) and insisted they were in the Suez canal.

            I am about to tell roderick , I feel sorry for him too – serious comprehension issues. 🙂

          • justasking

            ‘Not even able to answer a simple question’

            I will answer ANY question you have, that is relevant to this thread/topic at hand.

            Are you going to make me add ‘control issues’ to my primitive assessment of you?

          • Vidra

            The question isn’t whether Orbán “functions” but whether his capacity to make sound, objective decisions is compromised, whether through his current situation or his basic personality. Although Orbán claims he thrives on stress, seeing his nationwide support start to recede, having to defend ministers apparently on the take and forcing one of his old University friends, Vida, to go to court can’t be seen as “positive stress”, and that would certainly worsen any undelying problems.

          • justasking

            I know, I know Vidra, you’re of the opinion, that Orban is certifiably bat shit crazy…I get it. But read the article…it tells us NOTHING.

            So, he’s receiving counselling in Austria…counselling for what? Marriage counselling? Posttraumatic stress disorder? What?

            We have an assessment by some guy. What does/did he base his assessment on? What are HIS qualifications?

            Everything, that this ‘authority’ claims of Orban, can be witnessed by anyone, who has seen public speeches or interviews done by anyone who has ever enjoyed power and success…have they be a politician, actor/actress, dotcom billionaires, musicians etc.

            Give me a break!

          • Vidra

            I think the article is another great example of Uncle Erik winding us up but it’s a damn sight better than watching Suleiman on RTL Klub.
            Sure it’s tabloid psychology but it’s about someone who’s never, in his whole adult life, had bosses to take orders from, who seems to promote mediocre yes-men rather than people with talent and the balls to stand up to him in public, and parades his own hobby (football) as a symbol of national regeneration. I don’t recall ANY politician in a democratic state that displayed all of these, but that does not mean I think he’s insane.

          • justasking

            ‘who seems to promote mediocre yes-men rather than people with talent and the balls to stand up to him in public….’I don’t recall ANY politician in a democratic state that displayed all of these’

            You just described Prime minister Steven Harper of Canada. Instead of promoting football, he can’t pass by a piano without falling into it and breaking out in song, nor his urge to constantly serenade Heads of State, whilst on official business.

            I assume you believe Canada to be a democratic country?

            I still will vote for him next election, cause I believe he does more good than bad, and the alternative (Liberal Justin Trudeau) is not an option for me.

          • Vidra

            Not familiar with Canadian politics, thanks, but I checked him out. Harper’s first job (after he dropped out of college) was as a mail-room boy so he could hardly have started lower; while he helped to get the Reform Party into Parliament he certainly wasn’t its leader or founder either. In other words, Harper paid his dues in a way that Orbán didn’t.

          • justasking

            ‘Harper’s first job….In other words, Harper paid his dues in a way that Orbán didn’t’

            Who cares, if Orbi did or did not have a slew of bosses in the past? He is now taking direction from the people of Hungary via their votes.

            He, like Harper, ‘seems to promote mediocre yes-men rather than people with talent and the balls to stand up to him in public…’

            And all this, in a Democratic state.

          • Vidra

            I think that’s where you’re wrong – Orbán last “took direction” from others when he did his military service and, by his own admission, he wanted never to have to take orders from anyone again. He has a democratic mandate but most of the measures he’s taken were never in the party manifesto – and his feeble attempts at consultation on a raft of issues (especially the 1944 comemorations and now Sunday trading) shows how little regard he takes of those who don’t share his views.
            That explains his outrage over his decisions being overturned by outside bodies, but it also places very high expectations on him – nobody else is capable of solving Hungary’s problems, as he appears to see it. It doesn’t mean he’s mad, of course, just not competent to lead a peace-time democracy.
            There are plenty of company bosses – self-made men – who share the same character flaws, but modern business is too complicated for them to remain successful after their firms have grown beyond a certain size.

          • justasking

            Well, until Fidesz party voted him out as party leader, and another one in…what do you want me to say? They seem to like him as a leader.

            So Orbi believes only he can ‘save’ and is the best person for the job… to run Hungary’…I’m pretty sure Obama feels the same way towards the US, Harper towards Canada etc, etc, etc,

            Until Hungarians vote another party into power and Fidesz out…Obviously, they seem to like what they are doing, for they keep getting voted back in.

          • Vidra

            In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king. Orbán is where he is because there’s nobody better running against him. Not anyone with the party infrastructure to get their message across to a critical mass of voters, anyway.

          • justasking

            Well, if you think the shit show is exclusive to Hungary, think again. What we’re experiencing here on Provincial level politically, is rivaling Fidesz and Orban.
            Our only saving grace, we are a rich province due to our Oil reserves…with current prices, who knows, people might finally be willing to hit the streets for change.

          • roderickbeck

            A state where 50% of the electorate gets 2/3rds of legislature.

            That is not representative democracy. One man or one woman should equal one vote.

            And no, you can’t be any country, including America, where such skewed results occur.

          • roderickbeck

            Vidra, don’t waste your time answering this jerk. You are just playing her game.

          • roderickbeck

            Democracy requires fair and open elections. OSCE was quite that the elections were open, but not fair. Gerrymandering occurs in a lot of countries, but the extreme of gerrymandering in Hungary has given the government a 2/3rds majority with only 50% of the vote. And the Hungarian government has done its best to limit the opposition’s ability to engage in political advertising by forcing commercial media to do it for free, which imposes a huge loss on commercial media.

          • roderickbeck

            And how defensive you are ….

          • roderickbeck

            And you are bored housewife who has nothing better to do than spar on message boards. Get a life.

          • roderickbeck

            Insinuate, babble, innuendo. Pretty much sums you up. A bored Canadian housewife.

          • Ingrid

            I am absolutely not mocking mental illness, but mentall illness can require rest and care like any other illness. If you have a mental illness, stress can have a bad influence on your mental health.

          • roderickbeck

            Please spare us the nonsense. You are tiresome.

      • olga

        all her points are fair – which point were you referring to? 🙂

    • Havelaar

      “Sounds like a prerequisite to become a politician, and all that they require to stay in power to me”.

      Of course not…there are many politicians within the EU who are full of integrity.

      • justasking

        ‘there are many politicians within the EU who are full of integrity’

        I honestly believe, that most politicians start out that way…unfortunately, reality sets in, along with the need to stay in power.

        • Havelaar

          But anyway….your comment has to be looked upon
          within the context that you support to have more Horthy/fascists statues in Hungary. Don’t you?

          Which is actually insane.

          • justasking

            It’s obvious Paul, that you are a person of image, rather than substance.

          • Havelaar

            Do you support Horthy/fascists statues in Hungary?
            Or not …a simple yes or no will do…now…THAT is subtance.

          • justasking

            I appreciate your focus and self-control…being understood, is an underrated pleasure.

          • Havelaar

            Buuut no answer!

            “Do you support Horthy/fascists statues in Hungary?”

            Yes or no?

          • justasking

            My, my Paul…you are exhibiting symptoms of compulsive/obsessive disorder, ADD and aggression.

            Maybe Orban can give you a number for a good therapist in Austria. You could both, like, carpool or something! 😀 😀

          • Havelaar

            Dear just manipulating…. Not able to answer a simple question?

            “Do you support Horthy/fascists statues in Hungary?”

            I like to know.

          • justasking

            Dear simple Paul…unable to stop trying to change the subject and just go with the flow by focusing on the topic at hand?

            I’d like to know

          • Havelaar

            You are such a coward.

            “Do you support Horthy/fascists statues in Hungary?”

            I like to know.

            Why do I not get an answer?

          • justasking

            ‘Why do I not get an answer?’

            Cause I refuse to let you change the topic?

          • Havelaar

            But anyway….your comment has to be looked upon within the context that you support to have more Horthy/fascists statues in Hungary. Don’t you?

            You have integrity at all…Orban…you….Fleto..but most important the fascist agenda of your ilk. Which is the main topic.

            Most EU politicians DO have integrity…your fascist agenda will go nowhere.

          • justasking

            ‘Most EU politicians DO have integrity’

            Politicians with integrity, tend not to last very long, and we get stuck with career politicians. Have it be in the EU, Canada, US, or anywhere else for that matter.

            It’s the nature of the beast.

          • roderickbeck

            The Fear in Her Canadian Heart ….

          • roderickbeck

            She obviously does since she is being evasive.

          • roderickbeck

            Answer the question. “Horthy, igen!” vagy “Horthy, köszönöm nem!”.

          • justasking

            What exactly, does Horthy and my opinion of him, have to do with this article on Orban getting therapy…can you answer that for me?

          • roderickbeck

            We are assessing your character. Lots of right wing extremists like to pass themselves off as middle-of-the-road.

          • justasking

            ‘We are assessing your character’

            And you are qualified to do this…how?

          • olga

            re: “We are assessing your character” – was that a joke or was this guy serious?

          • justasking

            ‘was that a joke or was this guy serious?’

            In my opinion? This guy is serious…although I doubt he understands, nor meant, a true ‘clinical assessment’, more like a ‘poli.hu’ one. 😀 😀

            He/she, along with Paul (whatever name he goes by now) Viagra and clan, are, in their eyes, ‘purveyors of truth’ and ‘defenders of Democracy’…or their versions of it.

          • Varga

            You feel you can place judgement on us, so I feel I can do the same to you. You don’t really care what is going on in Hungary, you come to this site for some entertainment, stir the pot, get your aggression out and that is it. Hungary to you is just some romantic place your parents are from. You couldn’t care less how many people are living because it is not your reality. This is okay, but it hardly gives you a right to make judgement of those who live their reality right here in Hungary. We do not have to agree on things, but you have no idea what it is like for us here and if we want democracy, who are you to decide that we should just live with our present circumstances because YOU think we have a democratic government because we hold elections? There is a lot more to democracy than that and being educated in Canada, you should know that.

          • justasking

            Why do I get the feeling, that you LOVE musicals?

          • Varga

            And let me guess, you like mob movies?

          • roderickbeck

            Anyone who supports Horthy statues is a right wing extremist. There is no dispute about it.

            Pretending to be middle-of-the-road is a classic Fidesz ploy with one set of rhetoric for international consumption and another set of rhetoric for domestic consumption. This strategy works because Hungary only has news agency, owned and controlled by the government, and about 40% to 50% of the population has no Internet access.

    • roderickbeck

      There you go again try to defend the guy who turned Hungary from a democracy into an autocracy. A system where Fidesz does not face a level playing field vis-a-vis its competitors but has a huge advantage due to election districts that it redrew in its favor and bans on commerical political advertising.

      You can continue playing your little games, but you border on a being effective propagandist for right wing extremists.

  • Havelaar

    Dunno. But I am sure Fleto, which psychophatic
    tendencies, are similar wants to throw a molotov cocktail to you too.

  • MagyarViking

    These descriptions of Whorban reminds me of similar descriptions that were frequent September 2006 and some time after that about Gyurcsany

    On the other hand, some people call those two guys – two sides of the same coin, so rather naturally that “experts of a certain agenda” comes up with similar descriptions

    At least Gyurcsany is tall and does not need to have any inferiority complex …

    • justasking

      ‘At least Gyurcsany is tall and does not need to have any inferiority complex …’

      You don’t know that…he might quite well be wanting in other areas, that could quite possibly cause major inferiority issues.

      • MagyarViking

        You do not know how it is?
        * Tall Men = Big Feet = Long thing
        No reason to have any inferiority issues…

        • pantanifan

          “* Tall Men = Big Feet = Long thing”

          Oh well, 2 out of 3 ain’t bad 🙂

        • justasking

          Oh, no, no, no, my dear friend…it has to do with the size of a man’s nose and hands…height be damned!!

          Mind you, who cares what the size, if you don’t know how to use it! 😀

    • olga

      I would say that arm-chair diagnosis of mental illness whether it is Orban or Gyurcsany is ridiculous, but who knew that tall men are immune from inferiority complexes? What happens if they really are inferior? 🙂

      • MagyarViking

        who knew that tall men are immune from inferiority complexes?


        Can you name a really tall dictator, or they are all “short people”?
        How should we interpret that information?

        • olga

          re: “At least Gyurcsany is tall and does not need to
          have any inferiority complex …”

          Where does that sentence imply that you were restricting you comment to this website’s definition of a “Dictator” as opposed to men in general?

          Saddam Hussein was tall, but then again, his deeds could not come close to the evils perpetrated by either Orban or Gyurcsany but not being Hungarian you could not expect him to measure up..

          I am puzzled about a recent topic on this website and I just know you could enlighten me. Elore koszonom for helping me out

          “Talk of dictatorship “empty, ideological”, says
          Kertész” – there were 3 comments and one
          was from Japan which does not count .

          I cannot figure out why the usual crowd (that would
          include you) did not attack Mr. K. with vengeance .Any ideas?

          BTW, despite our differences, I hope JA and
          I will still be welcome in your Bp restaurant next time we visit – I cannot speak for her, but as long as your wife is there, it would be fun plus I plan to bring her a medal for putting up with you. A Saint I tell ya

  • ViktorZorroban

    In Hungarian leadership, there’s a fine line between mediocrity and lunacy. Orban erased this line. He doesn’t suffer from insanity; he enjoys every minute of it and it also earns pretty well.

    • justasking

      So, if he enjoys it so much…why seek counselling?

      • ViktorZorroban

        That’s just a crazy rumor!

        • justasking

          Are YOU suggesting, that Erik is such mediocre journalist, who would deliberately publish a ‘crazy unfounded rumour’ simply to fill up space on this site?

          • Tihany

            JA–ViktorZorroban consistently posts satirical comments.
            And it is in this way you can understand/appreciate him.

          • Varga

            Tihany – JA, just likes to manipulate and insinuate to suit her agenda, it is in this way you can understand/appreciate her. 😀

          • olga

            Re : “JA, just likes to manipulate and insinuate to suit her agenda ‘ Name one poster on this site who cannot be described the same way.

            Paul was dead wrong on this particular thread and you are wrong not to treat people the exact same way in this situation – that is simply my opinion and last I checked I was entitled to one.

            Back to the topic: Diagnosing Orban with mental illness on the evidence that he is seeking counselling is ridiculous but then again throwing around words like “pedophile” is no stranger to this nor is posting a picture of a severely abused baby (even if the pic was photoshopped) went under the heading “satire” ,

            Re you response to: “I have written on Russian sites how to end the world with their current arsenal and take the US out at the same time.Thanks for a “Western education” and the abuse.”

            There was certainly enough evidence there to justify your “diagnosis” 🙂

            So sometimes I agree with you and other times it is the exact opposite – Not sure why it is a strange concept to take each posting on its own merit or lack thereof.

            .

          • Varga

            You are definately entitled to your opinion and I knew you would think we were wrong. That is okay last I checked. 😉

          • Havelaar

            Hey , Olga/Just manipulating…did you know that your beloved neo-fascist Fidesz state is actually the only country within the EU which actually produced a political refugee ….who is welcome in Canada, thanks!!. Yep, ….no comment I guess. Such a shame on your ilk.

          • Well, Hungary should produce a lot more “political refugees” like this Jew who had the cheek to write these repelling sentences:

            “Hungarians are genetically subservient”. “now only the Hungarians can be blamed for the Holocaust as the Hungarian nation remained the only one which, unlike the Germans, had failed to admit, confess and repent for their sins”. He also likened Hungarians to pigs who “like to wallow in the mud, happily grunting and guzzling swill, without worrying about the butcher who will soon slit their throats.”

            Hungary should be cleansed of all anti-Hungarian scum like Ákos Kertész (or you)… by any possible means.

          • olga

            Seems that neither of us changed our opinions about the “Akos Kertesz fiasco” and I am still willing to defend him based on his age and his obvious mental state. I even suspect people took advantage of his vulnerability and fed him ideas to advance a self-serving agenda while throwing him under that proverbial bus.

            IMHO an mentally healthy man who deserved a Kossuth Prize and accepted it (salient point) would never say something that made him look a hundred times worse than any “anti-Hungarian scum” could ever come up with.

            Not that it matters, but I would rather have Akos Kertesz in Canada than people like Paul and his clones, unless of course I could attribute their behaviour for medical reasons.

          • olga

            I am sorry, I am not clear on your posting, but are you simply calling JA and I neo-Fascists or are you asking me :

            a ) to I agree or disagree that FIDESZ is a neo-fascist party?

            b) to comment on Akos Kertesz? (I actually did once, sorry you missed it.)

            I think JA’s “sin” is wondering why Mr. Kertesz did not choose an EU country where he could have moved without any hassles (having to claim political refugee status) . I never thought about it until I read that, but maybe he chose Montreal Canada because he had close relatives here who consulted an immigration lawyer on how to become a legal resident of Canada without years of waiting .
            I also think (which means I am not sure) that under the circumstances, Mr. K would have been entitled to immediate heath insurance the same as any other Canadian resident which would be of paramount importance to someone his age..

          • justasking

            Ya don’t say….

  • roderickbeck

    The real question is how will Orbán react to the inevitable failure of his economic policies. It will probably drive him deep into paranoia.

    • Ingrid

      No, he will find someone to blame. A good guess could be: US, EU, the banks, the multinationals etc.

    • incredible

      The northern neighbour of Hungary has made some spectacular achievements in the recent past. Its whole industry is based on car manufacturing. The Slovak automotive industry contributes about twenty percent to the Slovak GDP…..

      • roderickbeck

        Slovakia does not rely on special taxes in an attempt to favor small, inefficient and uncompetitive Slovakian fears at the expense of more efficient and competitive foreign firms. Their respective approaches are very different despite your attempt to equate the two.

        • incredible

          I just wanted to point out that your statement about “broad-based growth” may not be correct.

          “More efficient and competitive firms” It isn’t the nineties anymore. I think these firms have some issues both with competitiveness and with efficiency. I do not think that a Tesco sapetti bolognese made of horse meat is a more competitive product. Anyway if they were efficient then they would not suffer huge losses (e.g. Tesco or Morrisons in UK) These foreign businesses have more much money and their lobbies are much stronger, but it does not necessarily mean that the Hungarian businesses are less competent. Actually before 2010 some foreign firms received more support from the government than the domestic businesses. Hungary shouldn’t be an economic colony of the “West”.

          • roderickbeck

            Well, you are just plain wrong. Look at any succesful example of economic development and one sees broadbased economic growth. A developed country’s GDP varies from less than 10% to no more than 20% manufacturing. The US is at 12%, France 8% and even Germany is less than 30%.

            So the math disagrees with you. Service sector growth is key and Hungarian companies are too small and lack the expertise to compete.

            And if Tesco is losing money at this point in Hungary, that is natural. New retail operations typically lose money during the first several years.

            And the loss in competition will raise prices for the Hungarian consumer. Look at banking fees, which are astronomical compared to Western Europe and the AngloSaxon countries.

            Why are Hungarian banking fees so high? Limited competition. A single bank has half the market and its pricing sets the market. All the banks copy the OTP pricing structure and discount off it. In the United States there are over 6,000 banks. And banking fees are rare. No fees on deposits is the standard.

            Similarly telecom suffers limited competition as well. There are not enough mobile providers. Studies have shown that at least 4 major competitors are required to crash prices and bring them down.

          • roderickbeck

            And let’s stop the nonsense about lobbies and your attempt to insinuate that foreign service companies get special treatment. It is just the opposite. The small Hungarian service firms get special treatment and they still cannot compete. They are not run by modern, professional managers.

  • Ingrid

    I guess that Orban has some mental disorders and there are surely other leaders who suffer from different mental disorders, but in a normal democracy there are people around them to stop the madness from going too far, that’s not the case in Hungary.
    It seems that even within the Fidesz group there is no democracy. I believe that there are some decent people in Fidesz, with good intentions, but they don’t dare to go against Orban.

    • Michaelinlondon1234

      Sadism and Narcissism have never been kept in check any where in Western Europe why should it change now?

  • Mohammad Reza KH

    with these symptoms then all the politicians are insane and out of their minds

  • Michaelinlondon1234

    This sounds more like the USS government…”exhibits symptoms of paranoia, aggression, an inferiority complex and a sociopathic disorder.
    I would have added sadistic narcissism to the list though judging by the US commentators on this site.

    • roderickbeck

      The US didn’t invade Crimea or send troops into Southeastern Ukraine or supply the missile that shot down a Malaysian airliner.

      I would work on getting some perspective.

      • Michaelinlondon1234

        The US has been taking Ukraine soldiers for years to slaughter people in Afghanistan along with a lot of other ex eastern block countries. It is part of the recruitment process for NATO.
        It has military trainers in most of the ex USSR states.
        It marched a German army with the UK in to Poland this year. It is building bases there as we speak. It did the same in western Ukraine
        If I was in Russia position they should have nuked Washington when the US slaughtered its way in to the Balkans.
        I have written on Russian sites how to end the world with their current arsenal and take the US out at the same time.
        Thanks for a “Western education” and the abuse.

        • Varga

          You sound like a bat shit crazy jihadist! I hope someone reaches out to you before you do something too stupid! Get some help, I urge you!

        • Hungarian

          Please tell us the details of what you have written on Russian sites. It sounds very interesting!

        • roderickbeck

          Wow, you have lost contact with reality.

        • roderickbeck

          Yes, Poland was invaded this year by Germany in concert with the UK.

          How would starting WWIII help Russia? I don’t think Russia would survive.

          You are just making a fool out of yourself and wasting your time when you should be medical treatment.

          • Michaelinlondon1234

            So what is your point?
            Me I outlined the way Russia could end the world for humanity if they choose. With Abusers like you why not?

    • Varga

      Listen troll, I don’t think we are talking about the US, and I don’t even think these commenters are in the US, I know 1 or 2 may be Canadian, but get lost with your deliberate attempt to once again bring the US into this and make it all about the US. You are too transparent my friend.

  • incredible

    Erik, I expected better from you…..

  • BudapestCalling

    The answer is:-
    and I’ll say this slowly, whilst nodding my head, for the benefit of little Victor, over there in the corner. Y E S.

  • guantanamo

    Botton line is that he is insane. Everybody agreed on that. who can fix him and what to do with him??? The simptoms are clear for Putin also , in this case lets tied them together.!

  • Attila HunMagyar

    This Suggestion of Orban’s Insanity, by the so called expert, Ivan Mester, self professed expert is the insanity itself, my dear readers.
    The plaguing problems in Hungary, is that there are too many stupid , post communism left over from the old days, which a good Revolution could have purged forever, creating a level-headed clear thinking, far sighted society.
    Instead we have a ”Role-changing” old antisocial society, who are easily manipulated by the far Left, Cosmopolitan, Anti-Magyar, Nation -Haters, to confuse every thought process, and prevent a the Hungarian People from seeing the issues, be it political, economic, social. These are only helping to mislead the public, and create controversy , where in fact all should work for one purpose, which is to bring the Hungarian Nation to strength and wisdom to renew itself against all the foreign elements that weakens the fabric of the national unity.
    Victor Orban in reality is the only Sane, Level headed Magyar leader, whom has taken on the West, EU interests, and made a difficult and dangerous turn, in the interests of the Country, to free Hungary from Slavery. Its an enormous task. Hard Work and requires understanding and support from all aspects on Hungarian society instead of criticism. Wake up Hungary, wake up for your own sake.
    I suggest you that before you issue any stupid, uneducated, communist comments against your leaders, you look deep into your soul and ask a few questions; Who you are, where you are going and where do you need to be to save your Country and your children’s future as Magyars, not some degenerate mind controlled zombies, manipulated by western interests, who’s only purpose is the ultimate distraction, of the Magyar Nation, and to grab their land for themselves. Remember Critics, before you open your penn, and ugly mouth, that everything you say and do against your country and nation, is in fact direct service to your oppressors.
    Orban carries the worries of his nation, on his shoulders, inspite of all the implanted foreign manipulated internal party disruptive politics against him, and the manipulated media opinions to brain wash the public and turn it against this leader, and now the EU leaders showing their ugly faces against our country Hungary, same attitudes and same hatred that resulted in TRIANON and loss of our lands, and nation. Wake up Magyar, before its too late, you have no friends in the West, you only have yourself to rely on and choose your friends and words carefully if you wish to serve your country, your nation as you should!!!

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