February 17th, 2015

Controversy over Putin visit to “illegal” memorial to 1956 Soviet invaders

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Russian President Vladimir Putin waded into an unusual controversy soon after his arrival in Budapest today, by paying tribute to a Soviet monument complex that is allegedly in violation of Hungarian law.

Shortly after landing at Budapest’s Liszt Ferenc Airport for a much-watched state visit, Putin went to the Fiuemi úti cemetery, where more than 7,000 Russian soldiers, most killed during World War II are buried.

According to an advance itinerary of Putin’s visit, he was scheduled to lay a wreath at a recently-renovated memorial to Soviet soldiers who died during the suppression of the 1956 anti-Soviet uprising, which says the soldiers gave their lives fighting the “counter-revolution of 1956”.

The renovation of the graves and monuments – including one with two black obelisks with red stars on top, which commemorate the Russian soldiers who fought and died in Hungary in 1956 – was financed by a Russian billionaire and took place between 2012 and 2014. The inscription “Eternal gratitude and glory to the Soviet heroes who sacrificed their lives for the liberty of the Hungarian people during the counter-revolution of 1956 October” remained unchanged after its renovation.

News site 444.hu pointed out that the inscription violates the Basic Law of Hungary introduced by the current Fidesz-led government, which states that “our present-day freedom blossomed out of 1956 Revolution,” and that Putin’s commemoration also violates legislation which says that anyone who “attempts to deny, doubt […] or justify the genocide and other crimes against humanity committed by the communist system is to be punished with spending up to three years in prison.”

Government officials later denied that Putin had laid a wreath at the monument in question, while pictures taken by national press agency MTI at the ceremony show Putin and other officials walking solemnly by the memorial. Only a small number of media were allowed to be present at the cemetery, with large numbers of police on standby in the area.

Putin’s visit to Hungary comes as tensions between Russia and the west are at a high-water mark, and as the Hungarian government of Prime Minister Viktor Orbán is similarly at loggerheads with both the European Union and the United States over its pursuit of what Orbán has dubbed “illiberal democracy.”

Following Putin’s visit, the Kettős Mérce blog claimed to have reported Putin to the authorities on grounds that he had broken the statute prohibiting the denial of communist crimes.

[Editor’s Note: The above report was modified to include official denials that Putin had paid tribute to the 1956 monument.]

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  • Vidra

    Soon Orbán’s peacock dance will be replaced with a headless chicken dance.

    • wolfi

      Unbelievable!
      What should the children of those Hungarians killed in 1956 say and do?

      • Vidra

        Not vote Fidesz ever again would be a good start.

        • wolfi

          If you search pol.hu for “red star ban” you’ll find the most unbelievably funny discussions here from 2012&2013 when of course leto etc asked for a ban!

      • National Hiphop

        Maybe that Putin and Orbán should both f*ck themselves?

      • Dave

        Much of my family had to flee Hungary after ’56 but I am not chauvinist enough not to say that war dead cannot be honored.

        My Grandfather, who fought in ’56, always used to say that he never had a problem with the Russians, only the “disznok” that were running Hungary at the time, i.e.., the MSZP.

        One thing I am thankful to the Russians for, tho Wolfi, is that they kicked those murdering Germans out of Hungary.

        • Varga

          You ungrateful little fuck! You obviously didn’t listen to a damn thing when your grandfather spoke about the revolution! First of all, the party in charge was the Communist Party and only after became MSZMP until 1989. If he didn’t mind the Russians, then why did he bother leaving? He could have had his chance to live with them for many more years to come. Sounds like your grandfather left for “other” reasons, but definitely didn’t leave because he was a freedom fighter, a freedom fighter would NEVER claim to not mind the Russians!

          • Dave

            “Ungrateful little fuck” – thanks very much. That just shows the level you’re on. I really don’t know why I waste my time commenting on here when you get comments like that.

            And that’s exactly what he said. He never had a problem with the Russians but the “disznok” in Hungary that facilitated their rule. Those were his words, word for word.

            He wasn’t a chauvinistic like you and neither am I.

            Communist, MSZMP, MSZP – it’s all the same thing.

          • Géza

            Don’t worry Dave, people like Varga are lower class Hungarians, they can not communicate in a different manner.

            Your grandfather was right and be proud of him, he was a good Hungarian, instead of those liberal left traitors you find here like Varga and his “friends”.

            And you are so right about “Communist, MSZMP, MSZP – it’s all the same thing”, because it is!

          • Dave

            Thanks

          • Géza

            You are welcome Dave!

            Most of these people are frustrated, negative liberals. No point getting into a discussion with them, because they are not in search of the truth or a capable of a civilized discussion.

            Their purpose in life is to defend their sick ideology no matter what.

          • Varga

            Wolf in sheeps clothing, I wish that the democracy you live in would send you back to where you came from, and where we could deal with you accordingly here.

          • Géza

            “…..we could deal with you accordingly”.

            Who is we, those losers of the liberal left? You are such a joke Varga!

          • Varga

            There are plenty of Hungarians left who do not want your Nazi kind here. So take your opportunistic crap and prey on people somewhere else who may be vulnerable to your white supremacy garbage.

          • National Hiphop

            You nice upper-class boys could honour the 1956 Revolution a little more since you surely consider yourselves patriots. And you obviously think you’re Oh! soo superior – is there really a good reason for that?

          • Varga

            And another traitor who likes to spew hatred from the comfort of democracy. BTW, Dave, he is a nazi diszno, your grandfather talks about.

          • gavroche

            and you are a very high-class hungarian. since you say so, i must believe you. you don’t even have to prove it, it shows.

          • gavroche

            you are obsessed with class. what do you want to cover? what are you overcompensating? something is very fishy here.

          • Géza

            I am not obessed with class. I just show how a group of people here think they are so “enlightened, educted and cultured”, but at the same talk and communicate to others in such uncivilized, disrespectfull and disgusting way, that a clear message is necessary.

            Yes, class exists, it always has and it always will, if you like it or not. Only lefties and liberals like to deny this fact, but in the same time maintain a class system of themselfes. Hypocrites!

          • Curious George

            Class, social & wealth divisions do exist, but it is dependent on what YOU have achieved with your life. No one gives 2 hoots about how your ancestors carried a big stick, sucked up to the rulers or were bribed with goodies. Talk to people like they did, and you’ll be sent packing like they should have been. Oh wait, they did get sent away.
            Now you can go through what the rest of the people did during those good ol days.

          • Géza

            Good morning George, you are exactly one of those people I was referring to.

          • Curious George

            It’s not possible for you to conclude anything about me because you don’t know anything about me, where I’m from, what I do, what my training is, what my experiences are, or what I have achieved in life. You can sell that one to Dave.

          • Hungarian

            Kind of like how classy you where when you wrote this to Bowen: ”
            Is that what you fantasize about when you’re having an intimate moment with yourself? Has anyone ever told you that have an Orban obsession?

          • Varga

            Communist, MSZMP, MSZP and your grandfather its all the same thing. Like I said, why did he leave then? And based on your comments, likely in the comfort of a fucking real democracy its oh so easy to spew your ungrateful little fucking voice for your appreciation of the Russians. If he didn’t mind the Russians, he was NOT a freedom fighter, just an opportunist, who later used that excuse to become a refugee in a free country! Maybe you shouldn’t waste your time commenting on here where many of us lived under rule of the Soviet disznok, were raped by the Soviet disznok, put in jail never to return by the Soviet disznok!

          • Dave

            Look at it this way. The Russians were an invading force. That’s the enemy. You expect them to do what they do. What about the locals that supported them? That was my Grandfather’s point. He could forgive the enemy. But he could not forgive the collaborators. I can understand that.

          • MagyarViking

            Of course every one has a special place for the collaborators and traitors
            Hence you and ‘PutinPutaleto’ have your special places carved out for you

          • Dave

            What exactly am I and Putin collaborators in?

          • MagyarViking

            I suggest that you pop over to Hungarian Ambience and check out their collection of wires from TASS
            If you feel good with that, then you are a “collaborator” and should stay on that site, where no one ever comments, then that is not the Russian/”Jobbik” Way

          • Varga

            You are an idiot! It was not an invasion, maybe go back to school! BTW, they were already here, in 1956 we decided we did not want them here anymore. The collaborators, were regular Hungarians who thought they would obtain preferential treatment by the government if they collaborated. About the only thing you got right today, the collaborators were traitors. The occupying forces however, do not get forgiveness, for it is they who instituted everything. The orders came from Moscow. They pitted Hungarians against Hungarians, and did that for many many years. So if your grandfather didn’t mind them, then he didn’t spend enough time here, before he decided to take the opportunity to get the fuck out!

          • Géza

            Wash your mouth Varga!

            Don’t play the victim of communism Varga, because by choice and ideologically you are still a part of it…!

          • Varga

            You have no clue what you are talking about, take your white supremacy and fuck off!

          • Géza

            Again you show clearly the low life you really are Varga, no decency, nothing. As I said before you are just a peasant as your forfathers.

            Angry because your familymembers didn’t do a thing in “56, just kissing the boots of Kádár and de sovjets!

          • Varga

            Ah, kissing the boots of the Soviets, sounds like you and your buddies. My family unlike yours, have always defended Hungary. Just because someone wants a democracy for their country, does that make them a socialist? Wow, did you get your education in the cotton fields of Alabama? Is that why you are so “pro-White”?

          • Géza

            First of all you don’t want a democracy in the real meaning of the word, you want a liberal left dictatorship hypocrite.

            That you are not pro Hungarian only shows the traitor you really are, you don’t care for the sovereignty of our people or country Varga, you want to destroy it as a follower of a sick liberal left ideology!

            Your peasant family just did what my ancestors told them to do, nothing more Varga. As we will do again with you and your kind.

          • Varga

            Your comment is a perfect example of everything that we Hungarians are accused of around the world. So what you are saying is that in order to be a superior Hungarian, I must hate and act superior to Jews, Roma, any colored people on the planet. I must view all colored people as third world immigrants and tell other Hungarians they are just peasants or left liberal unless they see things through your eyes? If you truly believe your last sentence, I highly suggest you see a psychiatrist, because you would have actually be superior in order for it to ever happen. Which mentally healthy people know would never ever happen. I guess everyone has their fantasies.

          • Géza

            No Varga, you don’t have to feel or act superior towards other races (ethnic groups). I don’t hate people of the third world or feel superior towards them. I just don’t want them to life in our country for many reasons, but foremost they will destroy us ethnically and culturally in the long run. Not one civilization survived mass immigration of ethnic and cultural alien immigrants without being destroyed.

            I want our country to be Hungarian ethnically and culturally and not a copy of the socalled “multi (racial) cultural” society the suicidal political elite of USA or Western Europe are creating.

            The days of the liberal left is over in Hungary, Varga. Make the right choices. Healthy nationalism is not about hating others or a superior race, but about the right of every nation to live in their own culture among their own people. I want the same for the Arabs, Jews, Africans ect.

            I love diversity around the globe, not in one country, I love to visit people in their own countries, as I did many times. But diversity of multi culturalist ideology destroys real diversity.

          • Varga

            First of all, I believe a democracy is strongest the closer they are to being centrist. Ideas taken from both left and right of the spectrum. But obviously you have no clue what that means. Why should people only experience life where they ethnically are from? Why should people be limited in this world? Because you don’t want them living in your country? You need to get over yourself! Keep believing the white supremacy idea, it will get you real far in life.

          • MagyarViking

            “I want our country to be Hungarian ethnically and culturally and not a copy of the socalled “multi (racial) cultural” society the suicidal political elite of USA or Western Europe are creating”

            So why are you supporting Putin and his set of Euroasian subordinated Empires, where Hungary is assigned the task to be ruled from Belgrad?
            http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/putin-nationalist-calls-austria-be-incorporated-into-russia-dominated-eurasian-empire-1485969

          • Hungarian

            “Your peasant family just did what my ancestors told them to do, nothing more Varga. As we will do again with you and your kind.”

            And you are claiming Varga wants dictatorship. Sounds like you are the one with a dictatorial mindset.

          • gavroche

            oh my god! count geza uses words that he really don’t understand. of course your family doesn’t come from a peasant family, peasants are really smart. oops, i just had an idea, did you ever heard the old aristid jokes? count geza you really count aristid

          • Curious George

            Your peasant family just did what my ancestors told them to do, nothing more Varga. As we will do again with you and your kind.

            Pte Geza – As a professional soldier with poor thinking abilities, you probably just do what you are told by people like us. You cannot deal with the fact that you do not have as much power as your ancestors, who probably walked around with sticks bullying other people who just get on with their lives. Get over it, man – you’ve lost your stick a long time ago.

          • gavroche

            of course varga’s forefathers were peasants and count geza comes from old noble hungarian aristocratic family and it makes count geza very proud. he repeats it so often that i think he is a real low life without any education.

        • Hungarian

          That monument no longer honored the dead when the inscription was carved and it became a monument to historical revision and a provocation to the host country.

          Putin could also,have chosen to lay then flowers on the grave of a Russian soldier instead of placing it at the foot the monument.

        • Hungarian

          And then the Russians started raping and murdering Hungarians. Neither presence should be celebrated.

      • ViktorZorroban

        Vote Fidesz of course. And spit on the grave of their parents, as they were obviously anarchists who just wanted to destroy the Soviet dream.

      • Marton Szigeti

        Unbelievable it is, yet in the nation of absurds (what Hungary became to) – it is in fact possible. We, the grandchildren, who can still remember our previous studies from stories and history lessons, certainly won’t, never did. It’s a pity the vass majority of the people are brainwashed.

      • Hungarian
    • Havelaar

      Dear Vidra…your comment is brilliant. My thoughts are…this is not a
      gathering of two empty headed chickens though, but of two vultures
      exploiting each others, and the EU weakness.

      Orban is right away surrendering his freedom fight and bowing his head to a superior who will always allow him to be a deeply corrupt
      anti-democratic authoritarian in his own tiny playground.

      At the same time the EU is paying his corrupt stupidity….not for very long
      anymore though.

      • Vidra

        If I hadn’t made that comment I’m sure somebody else would have done – but thanks, anyway. I imagine after yesterday’s antics there were a lot of Fidesz flunkies asking each other “what the **** is going on?”

        It was Fidesz, rather than Orbán who I thought would be a headless chicken. I didn’t see two vultures on TV last night, just one super-cool gangster and a village boy. Orbán’s meeting, that he had set up and hyped up, was hijacked by his guest.

        I honestly don’t believe that Putin cares whether Orbán is an illiberal democrat or a gay-loving, multicultural limp-wristed liberal as long as he gives Orbán a route into Europe. I don’t think Orbán even realises that he’s surrendering his freedom-fight but I’m sure that a lot of his party does, and I’m sure that a lot of voters believe that having jobs, decent schools and proper healthcare are more important than a few hundred forint off their heating bills, especially if it means getting back into bed with Russia. Let’s see what happens to Fidesz’ share of the vote this spring.

        • Havelaar

          Spot on. Thanks Vidra…. Brother, as George would say.

          Very best wishes from me and my Hungarian family.

          Never ever stop your Hungarian freedom fight….yours is true and sincere.

  • Dave

    Hungary’s opposition chauvinists want to stop a foreign leader laying flowers at the graves of the war dead. Really?

    • Democrat

      “war”? Check your history.

      • Dave

        I agree with Bela Kiraly’s analysis of ’56. 1956 was not a revolution but a war with the Soviet Union and their proxies in Hungary at the time, the MSZP.

        • Vidra

          Well it certainly wasn’t a counter-revolution, not even according to Marxist dogma

          • Dave

            You can thank the MSZP for calling it a counter revolution

          • Vidra

            MSZMP had to call the Uprising something big to suggest that none of it was their fault.

            The uprising aimed at replacing Communism with a modern liberal-bourgeois democracy that was politically and militarily neutral, not to bring back the Horthy era with its warlike trappings. If any phenomenon deserves the name counter-revolution then it’s this Orbán government.

          • Hungarian

            And you can thank Putin for glorifying that lie today. That’s what you do not seem to understand, you keep deflecting from this by bringing up honoring soldiers and the MSZP (which of course is a lie).

    • National Hiphop

      Didn’t understand the text. Read again.

    • Vidra

      So 1956 was a war, with Hungary entirely in the wrong? Where did he go to pay his repects to the Hungarian soldiers who died in WWII and the ordinary Hungarians who died during or were executed after the Uprising?

      • Dave

        No. 1956 was a war with the Soviet Union with Hungary entirely in the right. But that does not mean we should be chauvinist enough to want to stop someone laying flowers at the graves of those who lost their lives on both sides.

        • MagyarViking

          “stop someone laying flowers at the graves of those who lost their lives on both sides”

          Why are you lying?
          There are NO Hungarian soldiers buried there, just Soviet occupation forces

          • Dave

            I meant the dead on both sides can be remembered by their respective peoples.

          • MagyarViking

            “I meant the dead on both sides can be remembered by their respective peoples”

            So it is OK for German Nazis to go to Russia and celebrate their fathers who died fighting the Commuinist Satan?

          • Dave

            No

          • MagyarViking

            “No”

            So, you have different standards for the Russians and Putin
            Here a picture that will keep you sleep well tonight, knowing that your two Great Leaders are checking you

          • Hungarian

            Fine, but do it in a way that respects the victims and does not revise history. That is the point here. It’s not about whether soldiers should be honored or not. No one her has suggested that. As I wrote the inscription and Putins act have nothing to do with honoring those soldiers – it defiles their memory by lying about history and using it for political gain.

          • Dave

            There are actually Hungarian AVH buried there also.

          • Hungarian

            AVH is hardly both sides. Your attempts to,justify this behavior are pathetic,

  • CoffeeBurn

    Reminds me of the time Reagan visited the Bitburg cemetery… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su0Hvt6hTmA

  • MagyarViking

    Only members of the Russian media were allowed to be present during the ceremony, with large numbers of police on standby in the area

    Hungary’s Leaders again proven the correctness of Hungarian celebrated author
    ÁKOS KERTÉSZ:
    “In an open letter he bitterly complained about Hungarians who are “genetically servile”and who therefore allow the dictatorial Viktor Orbán to rule over them. He compared his fellow Hungarians to pigs who for the slop the farmer puts in front of them happily grunt, not realizing that they will be killed”
    https://hungarianspectrum.wordpress.com/2013/11/15/akos-kertesz-granted-political-asylum-in-canada/

    So true, so true…

    • Dave

      You guys are all over the place. You don’t have a coherent thought between you. You just fall back on this hate-filled nonsense because you have nothing else.

      • MagyarViking

        “hate-filled nonsense” is what you spout out with your defence for the celebrations of Soviet Invasion Forces

        • Dave

          No one is celebrating the Soviet occupation forces.

          I simply believe that people should be able to remember their dead in peace without stupid chauvinists like you beating their chests about it.

          What puzzles me is that in the same breath you can go on to spout that nazi hate stuff about how Hungarians are genetically servile.

          • MagyarViking

            “No one is celebrating the Soviet occupation forces”

            Wrong!
            Just read the writing on the stone:
            “Eternal gratitude and glory to the Soviet heroes who sacrificed their lives for the liberty of the Hungarian people during the counter-revolution of 1956 October”

            Think if something like that would have been written on a German WWII Memorial?
            But for Putin and Russia, you guys have different standards, don’t you?

          • Dave

            It’s a historical monument in a cemetery that was erected by the MSZP after ’56. It should never have been completed in the form it is but that was a decision made by the then rulers of Hungary after they helped the Soviet occupation forces crush the rebellion.

            Unless you want the monument destroyed and the dead Russians dug up and sent back to Russia we just have to live with it.

            Let the Russians remember their dead and just move on.

          • MagyarViking

            “It’s a historical monument in a cemetery that was erected by the MSZP after ’56”

            Which is of course just a big lie…try to read up on Hungarian Modern History…
            To quote yourself:
            “I would say 90 percent of most people’s knowledge of history comes from pop culture these days. Soap operas, magazines, films, and even cartoons. Professional historians are dead. That’s just the way it is. Love it or hate it”
            https://disqus.com/home/discussion/politicshu/renaissance_king_matyas_most_popular_historical_figure_among_young_hungarians/#comment-1517017105

          • “It’s a historical monument in a cemetery that was erected by the MSZP after ’56”

            Which is of course just a big lie

            Well, it’s only a small mistake: it was erected by MSZMP which MSZP is a successor of.

            So try to learn some Hungarian at least, stupid Swedish moron…

          • MagyarViking

            “it’s only a small mistake”

            Small or big, it was definitely not a “mistake”
            MSZP is the partial successor to MSZMP, which does not mean they are the same party

            That MSZMP erected this monstrum under Soviet occupation, does not make it OK today to be visited by Putin, especially as Fidesz has have had 2/3rd majority since 2010 and could have done whatever they pleased, including breaking the bilateral agreement with Russia about this cemetary

          • For the record, MSZP is the successor to MSZMP in all respects:
            legally, membership-wise and most importantly they inherited all their assets. Thürmer’s Munkáspárt got only the “ideology”… which scum like you change like people change their underware.

          • MagyarViking

            “MSZP is the successor to MSZMP in all respects”

            Obviously not as you yourself write, incoherent as usual

            Anyway, many other descibes them as “partly successor”, which for me personally is rather uninteresting then I was never interested in them before or after 1989

            You on the other hand joined Hungarian Young Communist League (Hungarian: Magyar Kommunista Ifjúsági Szövetség, KISZ) , MSZMP’s Youth Brigade, together with Gyurcsany. I hope you had fun together…you still have your membership card?

          • It certainly is. MSZP is the successor to MSZMP

            1/ legally
            2/ and they have inherited all their assets
            3/ plus their leaders and membership.

          • MagyarViking

            No one is doubting that MSZP is the successor of MSZMP, then they claimed that themselves
            You are just trying to deflect around the commonly used expression “partly successor”, which in the Hungarian context does not change so much, outside your little brain

          • George Dunn

            Dave. Putin could have laid a wreath at the official 1945 memorial to fallen Soviets. The fact he laid a wreath at a memorial trying to revise history and serving as another insulting chapter of Russo-Hungarian relations is showing either complete ignorance (highly plausible given Communist historic revisionism) or beyond arrogant and downright evil (also plausible)

          • I must agree. This is Russian arrogance which serves Putin’s domestic political goals.

            On the other hand let’s note carefully who are those who scream so loudly about this issue…

          • MagyarViking

            “This is Russian arrogance which serves Putin’s domestic political goals”

            and Whorban let it happen, as he let this picture happen also

          • According to international law, the signs on military graves are to be written by the country of the fallen soldiers.

          • Hungarian

            That does not mean the inscription needs to be incentive to the host country’s history.

            Fun watching the great anti-communist squirm his way through this.

          • It does mean Hungary cannot do anything about this.

          • MagyarViking

            It is regulated in a bilateral agreement between Hungary and Russia
            So you are saying Whorban cannot negotiate?

          • Hungarian

            OV could have canceled the visit. There where plenty of other reasons for doing so.

            This is what is going to be remembered about this visit. The second visit by a national leader and the second failure by OV in less then a month.

          • “OV could have canceled the visit”.

            Certainly. But only if he wanted to hurt Hungary’s interests.
            Yes, thanks for your opinion, we may safely say Mr. Putin’s visit has been also a success.

          • Havelaar

            “we may safely say Mr. Putin’s visit has been also a success”…we, is according to your irrelevant fascist ilk. According to the mainstream international civilised press it once again made it very clear that Fidesz/Hungary is an illiberal, deeply corrupt authoritarian state. Orban kissing ass with a war criminal.

          • Stuff it, Dutch junkie fag.

          • Hungarian

            I doubt that is true. Could a rich German Nazi put up a memorial in a Hungary glorifying the genocide of Jews?

          • Yes but only if Germany, as a state, would approve and back it and it was either a military grave or a memorial erected according to an international agreement.

          • MagyarViking

            “According to international law”

            Which law is that?
            Normally War Memorials are handled via bilateral treaties and like signing a contract with Gazprom, they are open for negotiations…

            So Hungary, under Whorban, can now renovate the old WWII War Memorials in Russia and put up big signs and statues about Horthy?
            When will you start that campaign, or Horthy does not fare well outside the Gellert Mountain?

          • “can now renovate the old WWII War Memorials in Russia and put up big signs and statues about Horthy?”

            In principle yes, Hungary could. In practice, unfortunately Hungary won’t. At least for the time being.

          • MagyarViking

            No, Hungary cannot do that, then it would break the bilateral treaty between Hungary and Russia

          • MagyarViking

            Aahh, of course you could not just stand by your initial comment, but had to add:
            “On the other hand let’s note carefully who are those who scream most loudly about this issue”

            Yes, please note carefully, because one day there will be a bill to be paid for this…

          • Dave

            Well, it doesn’t bother me in the least whether some Russians lay flowers to their fallen soldiers or what’s written on their graves. The war is over.

          • Hungarian

            The piece of shit monument is not going to last very long unless it is guarded night and day. Wouldn’t be too hard to topple.

          • Dave

            Sure. Go an smash up a war memorial. Nice.

          • Hungarian

            This act of Putin’s has created a new context. He has poltocized the monument for his own gain. Given the inscription, this act, and Russia’s current session in Europe, that memorial is not a war memorial but rather a provocation.

          • MagyarViking

            “Go an smash up a war memorial. Nice”

            Yes, was that not what you guys wanted to do with the really big Soviet WWII Victory memorial in central Budapest…at least before Fidesz came into power 2010…

          • Dave

            I still think that memorial should be moved to a cemetery. The first post-communist Antal government had the opportunity to move it but didn’t want to start a new era by digging up dead bodies.

          • MagyarViking

            “didn’t want to start a new era by digging up dead bodies”

            Dead bodies on Szabadság tér?

            You are sure you got that one right?
            You seem to have more wrong than correct today…

          • Dave

            Yes. There are dead Russian soldiers under the monument in Szabadsag ter. That’s a fact.

          • MagyarViking

            So, where is your proof for that, then it is never mentioned anywhere…you are just making it up?
            You know thi is Budapest, not Tallinn

          • Varga

            He is exaggerating based on a find of Russian remains NEAR the monument. NEVER, did anyone ever say that there were Russian remains UNDER the monument.

          • takoevsjakoe

            you use word “chauvinists” so often and baseless, just like putin’s propaganda uses word “fascists” for their opponents. and I would not be surprised if you’re one of them, “dave”

        • Géza

          You know what is always “funny” about you lefties, you are the real intolerent pharisees full of hate, judging everybody, who isn’t a “believer” in your sick ideology!

          • Varga

            So are you, plus you are a hypocrite about it, that is the main difference.

      • Géza

        Amen!

    • Géza

      You forget what is going on in your liberal Sweden old man! Just a few decades and there are no Swedes anymore, because of the ideology and negative suicidal mindset you and many Swedes have!

      Your hate against Hungarians is pathetic to say the least!

  • MagyarViking

    Here are the pictures to prove it nearly 15 of them from the Soviet, now Russia, War Memorial cemetary in Budapest
    http://www.hirado.hu/2015/02/17/megerkezett-az-orosz-elnok/#jp-carousel-1553245

    And here we have the two Putins looking out on their Empire

  • Hungarian

    Putin just spit in the face of all good Hungarians. As soon as his host found out he was going to do this the visit should have been canceled. Gas deals can easily be done at a lower level and do not require heads of state to meet.

    How much of the Hungarian tax payers money was spent on hosting this leader of a kleptocracy? Only to have him visit and use it to bolster his standing with Russian nationalists.

    What more proof do we need that OV is Putin’s tool.

  • Lesya Ukrainka

    What controversy? That Putin visited a cemetery of Soviet soldiers and laid a wreath to honour the murderers who died while killing innocent Hungarians and who crashed Hungary 1956 uprising against Russian control? I am not surprised. Nothing has changed. Nowadays Russian military and Russian-supported terrorists are killing innocent Ukrainians.

    • Hungarian

      Exactly! For Putin to do this is bad enough, for him to do it while his troops still occupy Ukraine is a provocation.

    • Dave

      The Ukrainian nationalist caused the civil war in Ukraine that is tearing apart their own country. The Ukrainian nationalists destroyed Ukraine.

      • Hungarian

        The Ukrainians fighting against the Russians and their Ukrainian traitors are no different then the brave Hungarians who rose up in ’56.

        • Dave

          That’s the biggest load of horse shit ever. The Ukrainian nationalists toppled a democratically elected president and launched a war on the Ukrainian civilian populations in the east of the county. The east Ukrainians are fighting for their homeland.

          • MagyarViking

            “The east Ukrainians are fighting for their homeland”

            …being Russia, yes?

          • Dave

            No. Being east Ukraine or Novorussiya as it has now come to be known.

            If the moronic Ukrainian nationalists backed by neo-nazi gangs had not toppled a democratically elected government, Yanukovich would be being voted out this year and Ukraine would be whole.

            In my view, the only sensible option now is for Galacia to declare independence and move on the long road of EU integration.

          • Hungarian

            Using the term “Novorussiya” clearly IDs you a sympathizer of Russian nationalists. NO wonder you are supporting Putin’s disgraceful act today.

    • Géza

      Who was playing in the Ukraine and started the whole thing and “invested” a lot of money for regime change (Nuland), already choose the new leaders? The USA! The Ukraine is for sale, because of the Americans and their masters. Know your enemy.

      • Hungarian

        You are an idiot. The US was spending millions on the previous government including upgrading their military and security forces.

  • Patriotic Hungarian

    Putin’s allies are literally creating new Soviet states.

    See the wikis for the Lugansk and Donetsk People’s Republics:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lugansk_People's_Republic
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donetsk_People's_Republic

    Fight Soviet domination. Fight Orban.

  • MagyarViking
    • Hungarian

      Putin is clearly a megalomaniac. That he would do this when visiting OV shows he doesn’t give a shit about his host,beyond what he can get from him.

      And today he got a photo-op for the nationalists back home.

  • Putin laid wreath to this memorial in the centre of Vienna in 2007:

    http://valasz.hu/data/cikk/10/9651/cikk_109651/szovjet700.jpg

    It’s got everything: red stars, Stalin quotes, Soviet coat of arms, phrases like “Eternal glory to the heroes of the Red Army who … ”

    At least now he didn’t insist on visiting the Soviet monstrosity on Szabadság tér.

    • National Hiphop

      So we should be thankful to him, eh?!

      The “ellenforradalom” inscription is an utter disgrace in itself. It was a cowardly gesture to agree to the ceremony after that.

      http://gepnarancs.hu/2015/02/mecs-imre-tiltakozik/

      • Nobody said we should be thankful to him. I’ve put Putin’s behaviour in perspective.

        • National Hiphop

          Okay then.

        • Hungarian

          No Leto has not put it in perspective. He is trying to minimize this because it is a huge embarrassment for Fidesz.

          Him calling one of the most important cemeteries in Budapest obscure is part of that ploy.

        • MagyarViking

          “I’ve put Putin’s behaviour in perspective”

          You seem to forget one very significant event from Putin’s visit in Budapest 2006 – honouring the Hungarian Resistance in 1956…not possible this time, right?
          Now we honour those who resisted that Hungarian Resistance in 1956…

    • Hungarian

      Obscure cemetery? You clearly do not Budapest. And you are showing you are rather weak on Hunagrian history. This is where many of the heroes of the 1848-49 revolution are buried. And many famous Hungarian authors, poets, and musicians.

      “A Nemzeti Sírkertben találjuk Vörösmarty Mihály, Kisfaludy Károly, Jókai Mór, Erkel Ferenc, Ady Endre, József Attila, Barabás Miklós, Lotz Károly,Lechner Ödön, Clark Ádám, Blaha Lujza és Jászai Marisírját; itt nyugszik Batthyány Lajos, Kossuth Lajos,Károlyi Mihály, Deák Ferenc, Antall József, és itt pihennek az 1848-49-es forradalom és szabadságharc legnagyobb hősei is.”

      http://www.nemzetisirkert.hu

      Obscure cemetery is your saying of trying to weasel out of this embarrassing situation.

      • Obscure compared to Szabadság tér.

        • Hungarian

          Of course. You the super-patriot who did not even realize this the burial place of the heroes of the 1848-49 revolution.

          Sure backpedal you piece of shit!

          • Te ocsmány szadobüdöskomcsi féreg!

          • Hungarian

            I’m a commie? – I am not the one who was beaming for months about Putins visit. That was Leto. And it is Leto who has been squirming like a worm since the news about Putin’s disgraceful cemetery visit.

          • Igen, ill. pontosabban szólva egy rendkívül ocsmány és szerfölött undorító szadobüdöskomcsi féreg vagy.

    • MagyarViking

      Yes, and they glorify the 10 year occupation also?
      Anyway, when Putin was in Budapest last time in 2006, the tour was different, more to the benefits of the Hungarians:

      Tuesday BUDAPEST.
      Vladimir Putin laid flowers on the monument to the victims of events in 1956, the eternal flame of the revolution.
      Hungarian Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsany also took part in the ceremony.
      The black granite monument was erected in 1996 in Kossuth square in front of the parliament building at the initiative of former Hungarian President Arpad Goencz. An eternal flame burns at the top of the monument.

      Picture from the event below February 28, 2006 21:15
      All info from the dungeons of Kremlin
      http://archive.kremlin.ru/eng/events/chronicle/2006/02/102592.shtml

    • MagyarViking

      While ‘PutinPutaleto’ was supporting outside:

      • Well, the guy should improve his Russian a bit:
        Correctly the sign should have read as:

        Добро пожаловать, Путин!

  • SztMonchichi

    Every man/hungarian has his price in that country.

  • MagyarViking
    • Hungarian

      Kudos to the person who did that!

  • Polak

    undorító! pole, magyar, nem unokaöccsei ;(
    obrzydliwe! polak, węgier, już nie bratanki ;(

  • Polish and proud

    Soviets have killed thousents of polish soldiers in Katyn, Smolensk, Miednoye in 1941. Hate this red pigs.

  • George Dunn

    This sure smelled like a turkey. Turns out it may have been just that: “Putyin mégsem az ellenforradalmi obeliszknél koszorúzott” I’d like to hear your thoughts. http://tablet.mno.hu/ahirtvhirei/putyin-megsem-az-ellenforradalmi-obeliszknel-koszoruzott-1273517

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