February 27th, 2016

Quotable: LMP co-leader on gov’t referendum initiative

“One day the government uses bouncers to prevent a referendum initiative, then the next day they announce their own referendum on migrant quotas. This is simply political perversion.”

András Schiffer, co-leader of the green LMP party on why they are proposing changes to the referendum law. [hvg.hu]
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  • ViktorZorroban

    All politics is a struggle for power. Good that our Glorious Leader can count on TEK, rednecks, skinheads and hooligans! Let’s make Hungary great again!

    • wolfi

      For those who can read German – here’s O’s interview with the Bild-Zeitung aka Blöd-Zeitung (which is itself a rather right wing paper – we used to joke that when opening it you had to be careful not to spill the blood on your lap …):
      https://zeitungspiraten.net/bildplus/politik/ausland/viktor-orban/der-ton-aus-deutschland-ist-schroff-grob-aggressiv-44690288.html
      What’s really funny, here’s a quote:
      Wer sich massenhaft nicht-registrierte Zuwanderer aus Nahost ins Land
      holt, importiert auch Terrorismus, Kriminalität, Antisemitismus und
      Homophobie.

      Perfectly describes our resident psychopath aka leto …

      • ViktorZorroban

        PedoLeto has lots of other problems as well.
        I think the cuts in healthcare start to take their toll…

        • wolfi

          And now for the good news:

          Switzerland voted against the idea of introducing a two-tier justice system where “immigrants” would have run the risk of being deported after some minor fault of theirs.

          http://news.trust.org/item/20160228121427-buu6t

          Well done!

  • Havelaar

    The real issue is that there are far too many morally retarded Hungarians who do not consider political perversion to be a problem at all.

    • Vidra

      I’m surprised that Leto hasn’t yet posted here about “libnazis” and “sexual peversions”. What he fails to realise that in sex there are a lot of things that are normal (as in they go on pretty often),and perfectly legal between consenting adults but theyre not to everyone’s taste. Politics in theory is governed by legal regulations and ethical priciples, the most important being that the same rules of behaviour apply to everyone. However,in Holy Hungary, Orbán is entitled to exercise his droit de seigneur .just as you’d expect in the feudal country he wants to build.

  • DeLeto

    Some East Europeans do have an understanding of the words: Solidarity, human rights, cooperation, shared interests and sharing the burden.

    http://visegradrevue.eu/the-v4-can-and-should-shape-a-common-eu-asylum-and-migration-policy/

    • Laci

      Why should Hungary share the burden of a failed Germany domestic policy?

      • seinean

        Why should Hungary benefit from the cash flow and investments coming from the EU (Germany first of all) ?

        • Laci

          Because it’s the EU law. An in return the EU exploits the Hungarian markets and workforce.

          • seinean

            No kidding ? That’s what they squeezed into your mind ? Then Geneva Convention on Refugees is a universal law.

            You don’t get to pick just what suits you. “No tie – no water, Sir”.
            You don’t like it – request Hungary to leave the EU, OECD, UN etc.
            You can then continue to live on your own as you please under the wise leadership of OV.
            Capisci ?

          • Laci

            There is nothing in the Geneva conventions about Hungary having to accept millions of economic freeloaders fleeing from safe countries like Greece, Serbia, Turkey.

          • wolfi

            Millions, idiot?
            A few thousands …
            Remember how many Hungarians fled to Austria and were welcomed there?
            You really are a lunatic!

          • Laci

            Austria was the first safe country next to Hungary.
            Once Hungarian refugees arrived in Austria they behaved and respected local law. They did not riot, assault Austrian people, rape Austrian women, demand anything.

            This is different from economic freeloaders who cannot be bothered to immigrate legally, so they set out with fake ids and passports to Europe because Germany welcomed them and promised them free housing, welfare, immunity from the law (and they think German women are a part of the package). They protest, riot, commit crime and expect to bend European laws ( child marriage, polygamy and so on to their tastes).

          • Yes, that is what the current leadership tells you.
            Checking the records from the time in question, here is what the Belgians thought of your well-behaved Magyars mid-60, a bunch of savages obviously…

          • wolfi

            What?
            All those Hungarians stayed in Austria?
            There are even people here whose parents moved to Germany, Britain, Canada, Australia, USA – you name it …

          • DeLeto

            “Austria was the first safe country next to Hungary.
            Once Hungarian refugees arrived in Austria they behaved and respected local law. They did not disregard Austrian law and culture or go on a journey around Europe until they found a country that suits their tastes.”
            So they all stayed in Austria???

          • Laci

            They stayed in Austria, filed for asylum and followed legal protocol, and waited until those countries asked them to come.

          • wolfi

            Yes, because Austria treated them humanely, fed them etc …
            How did Hungary treat the arriving refugees? First the fence …
            Then let them sleep on the ground without toilets etc …
            Just look at the pictures of the refugees in the train station …

          • seinean

            You are free to put in place a system of processing those entering Hungary. Filter out the “economic freeloaders” and send them home. Yet those who are genuine refugees do enter under the stipulations of the Geneva Conventions.

            There is a war going on in Syria since 2011 for almost 5 years now. People get killed and disabled, houses get destroyed – for most people there a normal life is not possible. Most people coming from Syria are genuine refugees despite what you are told. Their life , physical and mental health are under threat in their country.

            Do you seriously expect Hungary to be exonerated of any efforts in helping and assisting these people ?

            Do you seriously expect the countries closer to Syria to take all the burden and Hungary not be compelled to assist in any way ?

          • Laci

            Tell me about all those “refugees” Rumania took in.

          • seinean

            Romania should take in refugees if needed. As far as I know the Romanian government agreed to accept a refugee quota.

          • Laci

            And it isn’t needed now?

            Another thing: These “refugees” (young men) should be at home defending their women and children from terrorists, instead of assaulting European women and leeching from European taxpayers.

          • seinean

            The Romanian society was not yet in the position to deal with a massive influx of refugees and economic migrants. When this will happen we will see what approach the political parties and most people will take. We are not yet there.

          • Laci

            Nice excuse.

          • seinean

            It is not an excuse , it is a fact.

          • Laci

            So Romania is “not ready” to take them in, but Hungary should take them in?

            Also both of us know where Romania will place their migrants, in Hungarian majority areas.

          • seinean

            Do you have comprehension issues ? I said that Romania is accepting to take in refugees. How “ready” or prepared it is I dunno since the situation did not occur yet.

            Where they will be placed ? AFAIK there are refugee accommodation centers prepared in Tășnad, Câmpulung Muscel, Bumbești-Jiu. Șomcuta Mare, Rădăuți, Galați, Timișoara. Giurgiu and Bucharest. You seam to “know” more I reckon…

          • Vidra

            So the 300 000 Hungarians who left in 1956 were cowards who should have stayed behind to be mown down by the Russians or imprisoned or even executed when the revolution was crushed? But that’s different, of course,as it always is when nazionalists are involved.

      • DeLeto

        Why should the west share the burden of East Europe and pay aid to your corrupt governments?
        Several politicians from the west want to stop the flow of money from West- to East Europe.
        Corrupt East European countries should be kicked out of EU.

        • Laci

          There are democratic mechanisms for this to happen.

          Why don’t you vote for a party that agrees with your views?

          • wolfi

            I have voted for the Greens in Germany …
            Btw our local Schwab prime Minister is a Green – Orbán wanted to visit Stuttgart, where Porsche and Mercedes cars are made – but our government asked him some questions, so he didn’t come …
            And the EU rules are quite clear – either you acept them, or no money!
            What this might mean – there’s an interesting article on the Brexit:
            http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/27/brexit-decade-economic-limbo-top-tory
            “Everything we take for granted about access to the single market – trade taking place without customs checks or paperwork at national frontiers, the right of British citizens to go and live in Spain or France – those would all be up in the air. It is massive. It is massive
            what is at risk.
            “You would be in complete limbo and I think what that would do for the pound and for business confidence would be very serious indeed. It could last a decade.”
            For Hungary it probably would be worse.
            So: either behave like humans or fuck off!

  • Hungarian
  • 看一看来瞧一瞧,这个博客真是好!

  • “Caliphates from Portugal to the Urals!”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNy4FwBVa_U

    • Did he mention anything on the referendum?
      If so not, what is the relevance?

      • Laci

        This referendum is essentially about voting to be part of a caliphate or not.

        • “voting to be part of a caliphate or not”

          Of course, the ‘Illiberal Caliphate of Whorbanistan’, where villages who elect non-Fidesz Governments are being harassed.
          Of course the referendum will be about that…

        • seinean

          Laci – honey , keep in mind that this referendum might very well be about being part of the EU ( with all its strengths and weaknesses, upsides and downsides ) rather then about solely the refugees/immigrants issue.. CAVEAT EMPTOR .

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