February 17th, 2017

DW.COM: Hungary pays couples who pledge to have babies

While Hungary’s premier Viktor Orban strongly opposes immigration, an outflow west is wreaking demographic havoc on the country. His answer is CSOK, a housing grant and loan scheme for couples who promise to have babies.

Source: Hungary pays couples who pledge to have babies | TOP STORIES | DW.COM | 17.02.2017

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  • ” the “full CSOK” 10 million forints (32,250 euro) grant and 10 million forint low-interest loan deal that the Hungarian government is offering to married couples aged under 40 who commit to raising three children or more”

    Here the problem starts – ‘married couples’ – where in the Fidesz’ Hungarian Constitution is it written that ‘married couples’ has more rights as parents?

    Even if one would find such a passage, which I honestly doubt, the EU-wide legal framework, to which Hungary signed to and promised to follow, this passage would easily amount to discrimination against unmarried parents, or even the children themselves.

  • The Deutche Welle (DW) article contains an interesting reference to an article about “Intergenerational social mobility in Europe”, something I personally always claimed was the main reason for young Hungarians moving abroad – the odds are stacking up against them to improve their social situation if they stay in Hungary:
    “Figure 1 shows an example. Here we plot the odds ratios that relate the chances of an individual born into the high managerial and professional class being found in the same class rather than in the working class to the chances of an individual born into the working class ending up in the high managerial and professional class rather than in the working class.
    It is clear that there are some significant differences across countries in mobility chances, with Hungary and Italy ranking as the least mobile countries in terms of mobility chances between these specific categories. But, and perhaps surprisingly, the ranking of countries does not seem to fit in with the well-known welfare regime categorizations nor with the varieties of capitalism grouping of countries.
    Moreover, neither does income inequality seem to play an overwhelming role to explain these differences. Intergenerational social mobility rates are more scattered across countries and more research is needed to understand these differences”
    http://www.europeansocialsurvey.org/findings/singleblog.html?a=/findings/blog/essblog0001.html
    You can see this plot below how Hungary stand out: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8eb4dac1653438afcc639ec3817bcf6e86cbccc95585386841900db731c9bb6b.png

    • wolfi

      Thanks for this, Viking!

      One reason for this lack of “mobility” or rather chances of moving might be that lower class education in Hungary means no foreign language etc so it limits your chances severely.
      And even if you were willing …
      I remember my wife’s sons telling me that there just was no qualified English/German teacher available at their school – only Russian and one woman who took it upon her to first learn and then teach those strange Western languages …

      And the young ones who have some foreign language knowledge are all leaving – what’s 10 million HUF to them when they make more than that in one year in Western Europe?
      To raise three children on the other hand severely limits your life – with maybe only one income in the family …
      To live in Germany or Switzerland even with DINK (Double income, no kids) is much more attractive!

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