April 21st, 2017

The Guardian: I just don’t recognise Viktor Orbán as a ‘tyrant’

Orbán has aroused a lot of ire with his talk of “illiberal democracy”. I would like to underline the word democracy in that formula, which tends to get overlooked in the frothing of his critics. It should also be noted that in current Hungarian political usage “liberal” doesn’t have the connotations of “civilised”, “enlightened” or “generous”, it’s a portmanteau for leftwing conventions. I accept that an anti-left stance isn’t going to win Orbán fans among the Guardian’s readers, but I trust they might be w

Source: I just don’t recognise Viktor Orbán as a ‘tyrant’ | Tibor Fischer | Opinion | The Guardian

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  • Yes a “novelist” writing a ‘short-story’…fictitious as always.
    https://twitter.com/FerencKumin/status/855279582873702401

    • wolfi

      I found that article really funny – and from this picture O is laughing too, all the way to the bank …

      • Pali

        My god, you talk like an idiot.

        • Illiberal Revolution

          He is an idiot, a senile old German Nazi.

          • roderickbeck

            Coming from a fascist Hungarian like yourself that is pretty funny.

  • National Hiphop

    I think it’s time Mr. Fischer repatriates to the homeland of his ancestors. He will surely find ample material to write a sequel to his excellent debut novel, Under the Frog. Actually that book depicts life in Hungary under Rákosi’s tyranny.

    • Bowen

      Mr Fischer can always be relied upon to write a positive piece about Orban Viktor. I guess it’s slightly more lucrative than writing a sequel to a book which doesn’t sell so much any more.

    • Pali

      Hello my friend. I thought I had lost you. So, I take it you don’t agree with Tibor Fischer!!!!! Shame really, because he is telling the truth about Orbán Viktor. Orbán Viktor is not a tyrant. He is infact a very genuine person who is trying to make Hungary into an enriched country, and to give its people the things they have been missing all these years. This is a democratic country we live in, and are proud of. Unless you or anyone can enlighten me, I cannot recall Orbán Viktor mentioning the word Illiberal. The first I recall it being mentioned was from the mouth of Nazi leader Merkel when she visited him in Budapest last year. You are one of the lefty parties who live in a dream that generates nothing but trouble. Orbán Viktor should be respected for what he has done and doing, not lowered and spat on like a dog.

      • Illiberal Revolution

        Very well said.

        • roderickbeck

          Coming from a guy who knows nothing, that is not a compliment.

      • Bowen

        “He is infact a very genuine person who is trying to make Hungary into an enriched country, …”

        Well, he’s failing fucking badly.

        • Pali

          I don’t agree with you. Orbán Viktor has not been failing, and is still not failing. I and many, think he is the best thing that has happened in Hungary. As Tibor Fisher said in his write, “The western media’s portrait of the Hungarian leader as an enemy of democracy and an antisemite isn’t just puzzling, IT’S DISGUSTING”. He has changed Hungary round from a discusting communist, and socialist country to a prosperous and democratic society. Why people like you cannot accept this, and the improvements that are being made, I don’t know. If you want to go back to prior 2010, thats your problem, but please let the rest of the Hungarian people live in upcoming prosperity and dignity, without being harassed by ignorant idealists, like you and your kind. Why don’t you recognise our leader and stop running him down!!!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1b4b4d8e3701c36ed054fd7b91c5eae7f697541350ca8c82f919c0c8c7f4347b.jpg

      • Polle

        “Unless you or anyone can enlighten me, I cannot recall Orbán Viktor mentioning the word Illiberal. ”

        I am sure Illiberal Homo can tell you how many times little fat Orban has said illiberal and has said he wants to create illiberal “democracy” in Hungary.

        Angela Merkel said she could not understand the use of the word “illiberal” in connection with the word “democracy” – a reference to a speech Orbán made in July 2015.
        http://bbj.hu/politics/merkel-questions-orbans-term-illiberal-democracy_91829

      • roderickbeck

        Democratic countries have level political playing fields. The current electoral system, limitation on paid political advertising, and biased public media make a mockery of any such claim that the system is fair. Please pull your head out of ass.

        • Illiberal Revolution

          Is America not a demokracy because it’s a two party system and not a level playing field?

          • roderickbeck

            It is not a two party system, you dumb ass. There is no law restricting the number of parties and we have had as many ten different parties vying in national elections. If you were not a typically poorly educated Hungarian, may be you would have done your homework first.

          • Illiberal Revolution

            In practise it’s a two party system. All other parties and candidates are ignored, can’t participate in debatesz, as if they don’t exist.

          • roderickbeck

            Wrong. The system is open and fair. Your statement is like saying that because the Boston Celtics dominated basketball over a ten year period that the NVA was a one team league. The Celtics dominated not because they had unfair advantages, but because they played better.

          • Illiberal Revolution

            Obviously not, the system is rigged for the two parties, it’s even rigged inside the parties like Bernie Sanders who got cheated by Clinton.

            Hungarian demokracy is much more open, transparent and demokratic than American corporate fascism.

          • roderickbeck

            Yeah, you mean like those secret Paks contracts with the Russians that cannot be open until 2050? All those government contracts awarded without competitive bidding? All those laws rushed through Parliament without consultation or debate? You need to ask yourself, “illiberal democracy”, do you really have a clue? And if you want transparency, then don’t hide under a moniker, coward.

          • roderickbeck

            Let me add that the Hungarian system is not open and fair. The public media is clearly biased in favor of the government and the government had lent public money to Fidesz allies to buy up and shut down opposition media. And then they changed the voting districts to favor themselves, restricted the power of the Constitutional Court to review their decisions, and limited paid political advertising. It is a totally rigged system that gives a party getting less than 50% of the votes a two thirds majority. And Fidest has ignored its constitutional responsibility to protect the independence of the central bank, the courts, and the public media by stuffing them with puppets.

          • Illiberal Revolution

            Fox news, CNN etc are all fair? Idiot!

          • roderickbeck

            Idiot, the US press has every viewpoint represented. Pull your head out of your ass.

          • Illiberal Revolution

            So does Hungary, you can view everything from far right to far left media.

          • roderickbeck

            Except that 90% is controlled directly or indirectly by the government and its allies. Again, pull your head out of your ass.

          • roderickbeck

            Wrong. Other party candidates if they have sufficient support have participated in debates. Happened in the 1992 election.

        • Pali

          You do the same. Perhaps then you may see the world as it really is.

          • roderickbeck

            Wrong. No US government has ever received a 2/3rds majority with less than 50% for the votes. There are no extra parliamentary seats for winning a majority. Nor is there any restriction on political advertising. Nor is the public media controlled by the government. You are a part of group of right wing extremists who want a system rigged in your favor.

      • The first I recall it being mentioned was from the mouth of Nazi leader Merkel when she visited him in Budapest last year.

        No wonder FUC voted up that one…

    • Illiberal Revolution

      Orbán is tirelesly working day and night to make Hungary a better country for everybody. You would see this if you wasn’t such a ungrateful geci.

  • Winston

    This man either seems to read too much ‘Magyar Idök’ or he has a heavily distorted perception of reality (psychosis).

    What is strange, that the Guardian publishes such things. It is worse than Sputnik News.

    • Bowen

      I don’t think Mr. Fischer can actually read Hungarian. He’s never lived here. I doubt whether he even wrote this article. It was probably ghost written by a PR company, paid for by the Hungarian taxpayer.

      The Guardian can publish whatever it wants in the “Opinion” section of its website. And the more controversial, the better (more clicks).

      • National Hiphop

        He does read Hungarian authors in Hungarian as he said when he came round to my uni 10+ years ago. It’s more like he’s got a thing for Orbán since the old days when he was still a young democrat (orat least pretending to be).

      • Winston

        I don’t doubt, that the Guardian does what it wants. But does it really WANT to publish such idiocy.
        This Fisher doesn’t even try to explain his fantasy fiction.
        He only exhibits his stupidity.

        • Pali

          Wrong. He exhibits reallity. But then, you wouldn’t understand that word, would you!!!!!

          • roderickbeck

            Losers like yourself have insufficient education and analytical skills to participate in political debates.

          • Pali

            No. I don’t think I am a loser. Besides, politics are not the only things up for discussion. I would like to point out, that, I am not lacking education and analytical skills, on the contrary. What I do, is to read, and listen, see things that are going on around me, and try to draw my own conclusions, and try to see things as they really are.

          • roderickbeck

            You are. Anyone with intelligence can see that Hungary is an autocracy. The political playing field is tilted, the government is highly corrupt, and free speech and expression are under constant attack as Lex CEU clearly demonstrates. Educated people do not buy into tribalism or racism disguised as national security. We are smarter than that. And we are more successful than the lower middle class bums that support Orbán.

  • Illiberal Revolution

    Yes, because tyrants usually allow people to protest, write propaganda and insults against the goverment.

    • roderickbeck

      The new political game is for the tyrant to use the press and electoral laws to keep himself in power. He doesn’t have to arrest power and directly censor the press. Instead he passes laws that clearly target his political opponents without using their names and that gives the government control over the media and limit political advertising.

      The correct word is not tyrant. It is autocrat, you blockhead.

  • What should you call a guy who let his strawman just buy BalatonTourist (the 20 leading camping-sites in Hungary) and now let the Parliament decide on giving out a lot, lot, lot of money in supporting tourism in Balaton…

    So his strawman buys up the company that a bit later will be the receiver of a lot, lot, lot of State (including EU-funds of course) money?
    What do we call this guy?

    Also what will happen, probably this year, is that the three big international Breweries will be heavily hit by new laws. New laws that will limit their ability to support distribution of their products, at the same time as new so called ‘handcraft breweries’ which will pop-up with 1000-fold capacity to any known existing craftbeer brewery around 5-6 cities in Hungary. These new breweries will get a new much lower VAT-tariff that the International Breweries will not get and they will be punished when selling their international beer more than 100 km from their brewery in Hungary. This will hurt Borsodi especially hard as there is hardly any market for their beer inside 100 km.

    So in the future foreign and Hungarian tourists will have to drink Fidesz beer and sleep in Fidesz hotels/camping-sites…but who did that was no ‘tyrant’…as Kadar was no ‘tyrant’ either – just The Hungarian Father-figure, who supplied everything from the Hungarian beer to the Hungarian Orange.

    • wolfi

      If the new Hungarian beers taste like the “Magyar Narancs” …

      You’re right, corruption in Hungary has reached unbelievable levels – and Hungarians (at least a large number of them) are so idiotic that they swallow this without any protest?

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