August 2nd, 2017

Is Hungary the EU’s first rogue state? Viktor Orban and the long march from freedom – New Statesman

As a student activist, Orban helped free Hungary from communism. As its prime minister, he practises “illiberal democracy” and praises Trump and Putin.(…)

So how did a politician who began his career in the 1980s as a young student activist fighting Hungary’s communist regime, a champion of Western-style liberal democracy who helped bring down the Berlin Wall, become what he is today: the standard-bearer for Europe’s populist right who excoriates Brussels, courts Moscow, engages in Soviet-style cronyism and propaganda, erects fences to exclude migrants, threatens academic freedom and targets George Soros, the billionaire philanthropist who did so much to help him fight Soviet repression?

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  • how did a politician who began his career in the 1980s as a young student activist fighting Hungary’s communist regime

    Well, Whorban’s Father used to beat the shit out of his son with his belt and that Father was also the local Communist Party Secretary for the quarry where he was employed and after fall of Communism in 1990 bought cheap, as the old Communist he was.

    Meaning Whorban’s anti-Communism was never valid/true, it was just sheer populism – a type of ‘Get-Rich-Fast’ scheme.

    Whorban’s extended family may be today’s most richest family in Hungary.

  • Marta Burka

    Hungary finally has a prime minister who wants what is good for Hungary. Hungary refuses to give up its sovereignty to Brussels or Russia. As far as the world is concerned, they can either like it or not.

    • ViktorZorroban

      Burka, you are completely right! Orban is the best thing that happened to poor Hungarian schmucks since Trianon and that week in 1956 when our Soviet friends destroyed those liberal scumbags!

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/548bfc25f07db73d4b7300916ea801e3acef70a5d8749882bed659feda3d62d7.png

      • Marta Burka

        I would laugh but I am not really amused.

        • ViktorZorroban

          Burka, real Fidesznik Hungarians are poor, bitter, miserable and depressed. Laughing is for foreigners and liberals!

          • Marta Burka

            Poverty exist all over the world, I have seen it on many continents. If you read news articles about Hungary’s economy during Russian occupation or the Socialist government, Hungary is much much better off now. There is always room for improvement. Importing migrants to Hungary will not make your population happy nor prosperous. You will be importing terror, molestation, and illnesses. Mr Orban may not be perfect but he and his government are trying to do their best for the country. No one needs to apologize for being politically conservative, many countries prospered under conservative philosophy and conservative governments.

          • ViktorZorroban

            Oh Marti, you sound like a True Hungarian, one that lives and works in Hungary to drive our glorious GDP and gladly pays 27% VAT on her virsli, szemle and palinka.

          • roderickbeck

            Not Hungary. Hungary is not catching with developed countries. It’s long term growth rate from 1995-2016 is about the same as the US. No economic convergence. It is also a quasi-democracy and a country full of tired people and closed minds.

    • Polle

      Hungary doesn’t fit in EU, so just leave and then your problems with Brussels will be over. If Hungary was not a member of EU, nobody would care about Orban and Hungary..
      Have you taken a tour round Hungary lately and seen how people live in ruins and dirt. Hungary is a paradise for pests of all kinds, some of them human.

      • Marta Burka

        You must have been in India or Africa because people travelling Hungary never seen what you are talking about. However, check out Vancouver, Canada and see the number of people living in the streets. Hungary also does not have camps like France or problems like Italy. I am sure where ever you live there are problems. Are you being paid by Soros?

        • Vidra

          You are right that most people in Hungary have never seen extreme poverty, just like most have never seen a migrant, “illegal” or otherwise. But that does not mean they don’t exist. And to say that people who draw attention to them must be “paid by Soros”…. What era did you escape from?

          • ViktorZorroban

            Burka comes from an era when Hungarians were brave and bold as Orban.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fbfd4baaf2113e74df0d91678447c7afa61c757e98f14591cb2135dce163b5c1.jpg

          • Vidra

            Orbán would never have tatts. They’re for men, who know how to follow orders and work their way up through the ranks on merit like Horthy. But they (and Rákosi) were all men who knew their own mind and didn’t tolerate dissent – Ms Burkini would I’m sure, have felt at home under any of them.

          • Polle

            Just a comment to the photo. It is a photo from 1948 of the Danish king Frederik IX.

        • Polle

          You should take a tour round Hungary yourself, then you will see that i am right. The places shown to tourists are of course relatively nice, but leave those areas to the tourists and travel around the country and see the ruins (houses) people live in and all the dirt and garbage left everywhere, then you will see signs of peoples who has lost all dignity and pride.
          I am not paid by anyone; are you?

        • roderickbeck

          Last time I checked Hungary a poor, backward society surviving on EU handouts.

    • anti-communist

      The world couldn’t give a shit. Hungary is an insignificant country in every way: small, low educated population, no raw materials, no money.
      If Fidesz will win the elections next year, Hungary will leave the EU for sure.
      Huray: the battle against the EU has been won! Now Hungary can be it’s poor and insignificant self finally. What a great life we can all expect.

      • Marta Burka

        Politics should be decided by cool heads. Anyone who loses their temper should not participate. Emotional participants can only make things worse.

        • roderickbeck

          People like yourself should not be given passports. Only give Hungary a bad name.

          • seinean

            Oh but they should get passports. And they should shomehow be convinced to travel abroad , see the reality for themselves and make comparations.

        • anti-communist

          Exactly…did you count how many times Hungary has called in ambassadors of other EU status because they dared to give criticism? Very cool….other good examples of coolness are Nemeth Szilard and speaker of the house Kövér. I think 99% of the people would definitely think of coolness when they think of Fidesz…definitely not based on emotions!

    • roderickbeck

      The question is not sovereignty. It is making wise decisions. Bigotry, stupidity, and corruption are the defining attributes of Orbán Viktor.

      • Marta Burka

        I find your comments boring. According to the latest statistic, Hungary,s economy is the best among central Europe. Since you think that terror attacks, rapes, robberies, unusual diseases are acceptably, you should live in London, Paris, or any other western EU countries. Orban, with the support of the elected parliament, decided that protecting Hungary’s population from the above mentioned disasters. I think most of the EU agrees with this. The UK, Germany, Austria, France and even Italy are trying to close their borders.

        As for Hungary being a poor nation, it is true, but things are improving and given time, and hard work, Hungary’s economy will be equal to any western EU nations.

        Now, if you would travel and see the mess Africa, the middle-east and parts of western Europe are in should encourage you to try to find positive solution in your own country instead of parroting liberal philosophies that did not work.

        • roderickbeck

          And I find your comments stupid. Hungary’s real GDP growth rate has much slower than other central European countries. Consequently, Hungary, which had a higher standard of living than the Czech Republic, is now about 30% less: $27,000 per capita in Hungary versus $35,000 per capita in Czech Republic. Hungary is a failed state. And no, Hungary cannot catch up to Western Europe unless it grows faster than Western Europe.

          http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD

        • anti-communist

          If you subtract the 5,5% GDP that Brussels is paying from the “Hungarian” performance Hungary performs the worst of central Europe. Fortunately Orbán is working hard to correct this error, so soon Hungary can show it’s real weakness.

  • CEU Szindróma

    patkánysoros akkor is meg akarta venni az ellenzéket..pont úgy mint most…a féreg liberálisok olcsók

    • roderickbeck

      You are very stupid and evil.

    • anti-communist

      vesztés!

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