September 8th, 2017

“Hungary not immigrant country” – Orbán writes letter to Juncker

In a letter to the European Commission president, Hungary’s PM has insisted that the president’s “interpretation of solidarity conforms neither to EU law nor the historical traditions of Hungary”. “Unlike some other major EU member states, Hungary does not have a colonial past,” the PM said, adding that immigrant countries had obligations arising from their colonial past. “Hungary is not an immigrant country and does not want to become one.”

Viktor Orbán wrote to Jean-Claude Juncker that he was pleased that the commission president, in his recent letter to Orbán, had recognised Hungary’s efforts to protect the European Union’s external border. “Over the past two years, Hungary has been protecting the common borders by mobilising Hungarian resources, with a heavy budgetary burden, by building a fence and deploying thousands of border guards,” the letter said.

Addressing Juncker’s point that Hungary had refused some EU funds, Orbán wrote: “Hungary must always behave like a Schengen-border country, but for geographical reasons, migrants cross the borders of the EU of other EU member states, especially Greece. It is for this reason that Hungary has not participated in projects that do not make this issue clear, and it does not want to do so in future either.”

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  • wolfi

    Hungary does not have a colonial past
    and
    Hungary is not an immigrant country

    That’s a really good joke!
    What about those occupiers coming to Pannonia a thousand years ago – and all the other immigrants:
    Schwabs, Jews, Romanians etc …
    Maybe someone should give the big O a history lesson or two?
    Maybe start with Magyarisation?

    • Illiberal Revolution

      Schwab Jews and Romanians were economic migrants which arrived in Hungary to seek a better life.

      • wolfi

        And the more than 600 000 Hungarians now working in the EU are what?

        • Illiberal Revolution

          Most of them are not Hungarians, but Roma Svábs and other minorities which decided to return to their homeland.

  • CEU Szindróma

    fuq the eu

    • wolfi

      And please return all the money you got!
      And maybe take back the half a million Hungarians (or more, nobody knows how many people commute between Hungary and Austria e g) that are working in the EU right now …
      Hungarians are taking our jobs – send them home!
      How would you like that?

      • Illiberal Revolution

        You, a German economic migrant should be sent where you belong. Hungary is entitled billions of euros for compensation for Trianon, WW2 The migrant crisis and the damage it caused to us. The current assault against Hungarian rights and dignity by Juncker and the rest of the EC is even more tragedy than the Shoa.

        • wolfi

          Dear Illiberal idiot – I’ve spent and invested several hundred thousand € in Hungary – never made any money here, just trying to enjoy life …
          And I manage thanks to the wonderful woman I found in Hungary – btw she also says that many of her compatriots are bunko paraszt …
          Seems a good description of you and the other Fidesznik loonies!

          PS:
          I want compensation frrom Hungary because you started WW1 and dragged Germany into it!
          Ever heard of the treaty of Versailles – you should pay for it!

          • Illiberal Revolution

            WW1 was started by Austria, not Hungary. Learn your history.

            I hope you paid taxes for your “hundred thousand”, I think the tax authority needs to look at you.

          • wolfi

            Of course I pay Afa on every forint I spend – 27%, which goes straight into the Fidesz war chest …
            You’re really funny!
            PS: Where was Hungary in 1914 – didn’t the Hungarain army invade Russia like in 1941?

          • Pali

            No they did not.

          • wolfi

            Yes, little fascist, they only tried – but Hungarians weren’t very good in war, only in killing unarmed people …

            PS:
            your source Kossuth Birinyi also is agood example of what’s wrong with (some) Hungarians – I had a good laugh!

          • wolfi

            PS:
            This Horthy fan was lucky in a way – he died young in 1941 before the Hungarian government of Horthy showed again its stupidity in declaring war on the USA …
            I wonder what would have happened to him after that …
            Or maybe he realised what was wrong and killed himself?

          • Pali

            Totally wrong again. You read all of Louis Kossuth Birinyi manuscripts!! All 200 plus pages!! It seems to me that anything that doesn’t agree with you, makes you sick. No, you hypercritical Nazi, I am not a fascist, just a normal caring person. Hungarians never did kill unarmed people. That was left to the Nazis and the Communists, people like you. I was refering to the 1st World War in my write, a war that Hungary did not want.

          • wolfi

            When the Hungarian army invaded Russia in 1941 they took a large number of unarmed Jews with them – many of which were killed.
            And creatures like you are still proud of this?

          • Pali

            You are a liar.

          • wolfi

            So it’s not true that Hungarian soldiers invaded Russia (or at least tried to …) twice, in 1914 and 1941?

          • Illiberal Revolution

            No, it’s not true. Where did I write that ?

          • wolfi

            Of course you didn’t, stupid, but here it is:

            In 1941, Hungarian forces participated in the invasion of Yugoslavia and the invasion of the Soviet Union.
            While waging war against the Soviet Union, Hungary engaged in armistice negotiations with the United States and the United Kingdom. Hitler discovered this betrayal and, in March 1944, German forces occupied Hungary.

            And there’s much more …
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary_in_World_War_II

          • Illiberal Revolution

            Nice alternative fake history. Hungary did not invade anybody.

          • wolfi

            Then tell the people at wiki to correct this!

          • Illiberal Revolution

            You should know that anybody can write and edit Wikipedia. It is not a reliable source of information.

          • Pali

            1914, the Hungarians did not invade Russia. Besides, Hungary was under the Austrian Habsburgs rule at the time, so anything Hungary did was ordered by the Austrians.

          • wolfi

            It seems that (some) Hungarians like to do what they’re ordered to do – especially if it involves killing others …

            You also belong to that group?

            Versailles was fought back from the Germans, and became a land of France again.
            Could you explain what that is supposed to mean?

        • anti-communist

          Begging for money is the only thing the losers can do. How pathetic. Really no self respect, no pride…just showing how poor and depended on the developed West Hungary is.
          Next to that: are you kidding with compensation for Trianon and WW2? If there is any compensation to be paid it should be coming from the aggressors (who lost) and in both cases Hungary belonged to that side.
          About the damage of the migrant crisis you should speak to Orban, but I don’t think he is willing to share any of his stolen billions with any Hungarian for making up for all the damage he has created.

          • Illiberal Revolution

            So you don’t think that Jews should have been compensated ? Are they beggars too, you antisemitic piece of shit ?

          • Bowen

            Hungary has already had billions of euros from the EU. It’s just wasted all the money on empty stadiums and choo-choo trains.

            To be honest, it’s good that Hungary lost all that land after Trianon, because those lands would be much poorer today, under Hungarian control.

          • Illiberal Revolution

            What are you talking about? Hungary is richer and more developed than all of its neighbours.

          • CG Walkman

            That’s why I am here.

          • Pali

            Those lands that were taken from Hungary in 1920, were wealthy lands, and played an important part to Hungary. The only reason they were taken away in the Trianon Treaty, was to make Hungary poor, by not giving the country chance to build their economy. All the land was rich in minerals to enable growth, so by taking the land away ruined the Hungarian economy. The control of hungary in this day, under Orbán Viktor would have made Hungary prosper and become rich. Considering Hungary was not guilty in the 1st World War, it was a nasty thing to do what the Trianon Treaty did. It is only in your own imagination that money has been wasted in Hungary under Fidesz. They have built this country up from almost nothing since 2010, considering at that time, Hungary would have been in a state of bankruptcy and gone under if the Socialists had stayed in office. No, Gyurcsány was the rat in Hungary running the Socialists, and killing off Hungary. Get your facts right.

          • wolfi

            The inhabitants of those lands were mainly not Hungarians – even following the official census of 1911 Hungarians were already a minority in their second rate “empire of Greater Hunagry”!
            It’s really funny that whenever something bad is mentioned then it’s the Austrians# fault – so they were the real rulers and Hungarians were just slaves or what?
            You were really lucky that Hungary wasn’t totally divided amongst its neighbours …
            But maybe that will happen after it loses the next war?

          • Pali

            It is interesting to note, that the territory of what is now known as Hungary, was as devastated land, possessed by the Magyar, of Aryan origin, in the year 884 A.D., and by continuous occupation, became the official inhabited land under International Law. So, no matter what the 2011 census says, the land of Hungary is totally owned by Hungarians. However, 1526, Hungary fell into the control of the Habsburg dynasty of Austria and lost their independence. Later Hungary was compelled to become a member of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy. It was in this position for Hungary when the 1st World War began. No, Hungary were not slaves, but ruled by the Emperor of Austria. Oh yes, the Austrians did rule as a monarchy until Hungary gained back its independence after the war. So yes, Austria was blamed for many things and still is to this day. They still shed their grievance on Hungary, even through this migrancy period, along with Germany, France and Serbia. The next war, as you mention, will involve the whole of Europe with no exceptions. The war of Muslim migrants taking over Europe, killing off Western religions, raping children and married women. Then they will kill the Europeans off and dominate Europe. Can’t you see what is happening? Really? Soros is a money man, who makes his money through destruction of economies, putting countries in devastation, making them poor and insignificant. Just what the Trianon Treaty did to Hungary, and just what he tried to do to Britain early 2000, and just what he has been doing to the far and middle East, and just as he has been doing to America along with Obama for the past 8 years. Obama is his whipping boy even now. Obama is a Muslim, and Soros is an Atheist, born a Jew. Just read the right stuff, and think the right thoughts and you will see how right I am. I’m very educated with a big brain in my head, I’m not stupid. My wife and I are Christians and we would like to live our lives out in peace, just like you.

          • wolfi

            Obama is a Muslim
            Sure, and you are the antichrist …
            I rest my case.

          • anti-communist

            Are the Jews begging for money in 2017? I don’t think so, so why are you speaking about Jews? If the one brain cell you have reserved for the word Jews?

          • Illiberal Revolution

            Yes they are. It’s common for victims of crime to get reparations.

          • Pali

            Aggressors? Hungary? I think you should read a little more about the first world war and understand what it was all about. The war was not started by Hungary or Germany or Austria. It was started by the English and the French, then by the Russians who did the financing, followed by the Italians why set about Austria- Hungary. It was about the Birlin-Bagdad railway which France and England didn’t want, because they believed it would bring riches to Europe. So, I suggest you get your facts right. As for as I can see, Obán Viktor has not caused a migrants crisis. Infact, what he has been doing and still is, is looking after and protecting Hungary and it’s people, which is what the other countries in Europe are not doing. What you and others do not realise, is that, Soros is in the process of starting a full scale war in Europe using Middle East and African migrants, Muslims.

          • wolfi

            You really are funny – do you really believe what you’re writing?

          • Pali

            Yes. I really do believe what I write,because it is the absolute truth. The truth is something, if it was put on your plate, you would not believe. If you want more evidence about the 1st World War, read the manuscripts by Louis Kossuth Birinyi, A.B., LL.B., LL.D. Published by V.L.R. Simmons, Grand Rapids, Michigan. I believe in the truth, and the truth is what I read. This is half of the trouble in Germany and other low life countries, the truth is kept from the people. If the German people were told that Germans put millions of jews to death, they wouldn’t say a word, because they wouldn’t believe it. Get off your high horse you miserable Nazi.

          • anti-communist

            Enjoy your life in the happy presence of Putin, Orban, Erdogan, Alyev and al-Sisi. Stay ignorant and stupid and believe the dictators that lead countries filled with the poorest, most hopeless and unhappiest people of the planet….it’s not worth reading a letter of the propaganda that is spread in the name of these dictators and since you are repeating it, it’s not worth reading a letter you are writing.

          • Pali

            No, because you know that what I write is the truth, and like your mate wolfi, if the truth was laid on a plate for you, you would not believe it. You really have a lot to learn my friend, these ones you have mentioned, are not dictators, but normal people trying their best to put their countries in order, and to keep the likes of you away from the law abiding people. Socialism, Communism, Liberalism and Nazism are the epitome of Fascist Dictators. Since the days of Communism and Socialism, Orbán Viktor and Putin are the best things that have happened on this planet, along with Donald Trump, of course. So, get your head out of your rectum, and put yourself in order. Oh, and take a word from your own self and don’t you be so ignorant to the facts and truth. Below are your present day dictators. Take heed. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ba3388467dc704364bad1311ced323f4b99270e7cc1fab06e38cbbeda6f38e86.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4946c74826d96d01f3fe6b1f17d3a8b241000b912e6ffdc61e23523a972db6f8.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1087103798e53f8b80ec84ad50adc145a00351ae446ff7a9e5a17f01fdf8bf58.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d6f44dc2f0f79634f923d00a8ab90ad81c6c9843c50f86d596c812a6d7172e3c.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ed9db74be519d9efff77d9346a71a8ccaa2024859d38edd6d2053a5a3a168a53.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/23d3ac52d84d2a763dede2bf87687d597c98b2b456d5e8634ef203d420807844.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/23fb5e2ef85c1c9c83c042e2d8624b127ac621b58a54600aa373d18fb498ef11.jpg

          • anti-communist

            Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha…you are so funny.

            https://planetrulers.com/current-dictators/

      • Pali

        If what you say is right, why do the Germans and Austrians accept hungarians into these two countries? There is far more to this question which nobody can answer. When others like you, talk of migrants into western Europe or Romanians etc into Hungary over the years, surely we talk of Europeans migrating within our continent of Europe. In this age, we have open borders set up by the schengen agreement, set up to allow all Europeans to enter and work under the conditions set by those countries. The migrants that are being opposed and classed as illegal migrants, are migrants that are running away from war zones in the middle east and Africa. Of course, we also have to mention that most of them have been invited by Europe through Soros and the European Union. They are a different type of migrant, inasmuch that they are not European. When you talk of Hungarians taking jobs from the Germans or from those of whichever country they enter, they go there to work because there is work available. It has been noted that thousands of migrants that came into Germany from the middle east and beyond, refused to work, and and were only interested in free hand outs and accommodation. So, why did Madame Merkel invite them into Germany? And why are Hungarians allowed to enter Germany and to work?

    • CG Walkman

      Did you get a reject letter from CEU or what? Maybe if you had learned to spell better……

  • “Hungary is not an immigrant country”

    When the Habsburg kicked out the Ottomans:
    * 1/3rd died during the war
    * 1/3rd followed the Ottomans (who had stayed for 150 years)
    * 1/3rd stayed, being a mix of Magyars and other tribes that arrived from the East after the Romans left today’s Hungary

    After this point in time, the Habsburgs invited mainly Germans (read Swab) to settle in Hungary, then there was not enough people – as today.
    Hungary, both before and after Istvan Kiraly was a Frontier Country, and as such a target for frequent and prolonged “immigration”, as all Frontier Countries.

    Hungary is The Example of a typical European Immigration Country. Since 100 years it has been an Emigration Country, mainly due to its leaders.

  • orbans_shirt

    To think that Hungary was well on its way to being a German-speaking land before some 19th century dreamers started filling their heads with all sorts of folk nonsense. Hungarian was probably fine for serenading the sheep but it should have been allowed to stay on its course towards becoming a dead language.

  • Vidra

    Well at least Orbán has cut to the chase. Gone is the crimmigation game, gone is the “defending European values” bollocks. The Fat Conductor doesn’t want more poor non-whites in Hungary and baby must get what he wants..

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